Meeting Summary

• Meeting started by Piñeiro at 16:00 CET.
• Meeting ended at 17:11 CET.
• Participants (Lines Said):
  • Piñeiro - API (159)
  • Joanie - joanie (100)
  • Joseph - clown (47)
  • Magdalen - magpie (38)
  • Mike - mgorse(9)

• Log

Focus-tracking Deprecation

• After having made all the changes needed in Orca (theoretically), Joanie filed bugs for all the instances where Gtk+ 3 was emitting focus: events, but failing to emit state-changed (or similarly appropriate) events.
• Joanie thought that Benjamin would start addressing these issues.
• Matthias instead started looking into them. And rather than just fixing them, he said he wants a spec on how all this should work.

• This spec does not yet exist.

• Joanie's concern is that if we (implementors) start moving forward with the removal of focus tracking without the appropriate fixes for the above issues, BadThings(tm) will happen.

• Joanie feels the work she did in Orca was worth doing, not just in preparation for this deprecation, but also in terms of associated code clean-up and performance improvements.
• Joanie thinks that we might want to stop (at least in Gtk+) the deprecation for the 3.12 cycle.

• https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=715176

• https://git.gnome.org/browse/orca/tree/src/orca/scripts/toolkits/gtk/script.py#n61

• https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=715176#c7

• ACTION: Piñeiro will send a email to Matthias+Benjamin about the focus-deprecation not happening on 3.12, and about having an experimental branch with the WIP.

Wayland

• We had some extra discussion on the wayland list.
• At the end also some people from input methods related development joined.
• Somehow, the needs of at-spi2 and input methods (and on-screen keyboard) are similar.
• For some input method stuff, some extensions were created and working.
• The main concern right now is about security, as at-spi2 can be used by anyone.
• And one of the design ideas of wayland was not let "anybody" to manage input stuff.
• Matthias even proposed screen reader (orca) being launched by the compositor (gnome-shell).
• Piñeiro replied that that's is not really practical, and if the main accessibility provider can't be considered as a trusted service, then we have a problem.
• The thread stopped, basically due to Christmas.
• The accessibility.conf file is set to allow anyone to own anything it's a template used by gjs.
• ACTION: Mike will investigate D-Bus authentication and what can be done with it.
• ACTION: Piñeiro will go back to the wayland-dev mailing list.

Other Progress Towards 3.12

• As a reaction to Alex Surkov's mails, Piñeiro and Joanie has been working on an update for Value interface.
• Magdalen sent out another reminder email to the list but it's not in the archives to link to.
• ACTION: Magdalen will double check her sent mail to see whether it actually sent.

W3C Updates

• Progress to publishing the ARIA User Agent Implementation Guide is going according to plan.
• Jan 17th is the deadline for any major changes, but it doesn't look like anything is going to happen.
• Thereafter the final publication as a proposed recommendation will commence, the document will come our around the end of the month (not sure of the exact date).

• In other news, there is an ARIA face-to-face meeting here in Toronto in two weeks: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/meetings/2014-01-ftf

Marketing Updates

• No news this week.

Miscellaneous Time

• Nothing infoed.

Action Items

New

• Magdalen:
  • Double check her sent mail to see whether it actually sent.
• Mike:
  • Investigate D-Bus authentication and what can be done with it.
• Piñeiro:
  • Send a email to Matthias+Benjamin about the focus-deprecation not happening on 3.12, and about having an experimental branch with the WIP.
  • Follow up with the discussion on the Wayland list.

Ongoing / Rolled-Over

• Joanie:
  • Review the first public draft of ARIA 1.1 with specific attention to our current API.
  • Do some testing and update the Evolution a11y bugs.
• Piñeiro:
  • Create bugs and patches, hoping that gtk, clutter and gnome-shell developers will be more active looking at patches.
  • Follow up with the discussion on the Wayland list.
  • gnome-shell not accessible on wayland. Hacky solution available. Proper solution needed.
  • Look at tooltip related code to see the possibility of adding mouse-in, mouse-out event at the a11y toolkit.
  • Check with gtk and clutter developers to see what the plans are with respect to pango.