1 18:02:09 <darci> #startmeeting
   2 18:02:09 <tota11y> Meeting started Fri Jan 25 18:02:09 2013 CET.  The chair is darci. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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   4 18:02:31 <darci> maybe we can get an update from each institution
   5 18:02:48 <ghislop> Amber?
   6 18:02:50 <darci> #topic Status updates
   7 18:03:17 <amber> still working on some opencv errors, currently with detecting haar points and optical flow
   8 18:03:57 <darci> Did the link that Joanie provided help
   9 18:03:58 <heidi> Ummm, what is a haar point?
  10 18:04:11 <ghislop> Amber also suggested that we find someone with expertise in opencv...
  11 18:04:23 <amber> haar points are (i think) what are used to detect facial features in our case
  12 18:04:30 <heidi> Ah, got it! Thanks.
  13 18:04:43 <ghislop> since I'm travelling I haven't had time to think about that, but it's a good idea.
  14 18:04:46 <amber> i know there is a drexel person with great tutorials but its based on the older version and im not sure if he's still around
  15 18:04:55 <amber> i can get the link
  16 18:05:10 <Dark_Rose> Since I as working alone, WNE is working on getting Fedora 18 on to our computer in the lab. I fixed an error this morning, encountering another now. I have a friend coming to meet me at 2 to try to sort it out.
  17 18:05:11 <ghislop> amber: yes, please share that.
  18 18:05:19 <amber> http://dasl.mem.drexel.edu/~noahKuntz/openCVTut10.html
  19 18:05:30 <amber> keep in mind its based on opencv 1.~
  20 18:05:43 <amber> #link http://dasl.mem.drexel.edu/~noahKuntz/openCVTut10.html
  21 18:05:51 <ghislop> #link http://dasl.mem.drexel.edu/~noahKuntz/openCVTut10.html
  22 18:06:05 <ghislop> :-)  thanks Amber!
  23 18:06:08 <heidi> You guys are getting good with the meetbot!
  24 18:06:25 <darci> joanie had provided a link in an email that she sent after our last meeting
  25 18:06:29 <darci> #link https://live.gnome.org/PyGObject/IntrospectionPorting#Porting_from_PyGTK_2_to_PyGI_GTK_3
  26 18:07:25 <darci> Dark_Rose: Did you encounter the enter while updating to Fedora 18 or when installing mousetrap
  27 18:07:30 <amber> that is only on porting to gobject, still trying to get it up and running i think before I start that bug (although some changes had been made to update it already)
  28 18:07:53 <amber> (to answer darci's question)
  29 18:08:37 <darci> oops that should be 'error' not 'enter'
  30 18:09:10 <darci> (to Dark_Rose)
  31 18:09:29 <Dark_Rose> I don't have fedora on the computer yet. I am trying to live boot from a USB to do a clean wipeover of the existing Ubuntu and it won't boot after a certain point. I fixed a directory naming problem but then got "secure boot not enabled" and the screen then turns half green.
  32 18:10:00 <heidi> Is the USB the stick that I gave you?
  33 18:10:55 <Dark_Rose> No, Tiago gave me another one he made for the labs new image and it worked for him while he was running Windows. I'm having him meet me later to consult since he didn't have any problems. If that doesn't work I will try the one you gave me.
  34 18:11:13 <heidi> Ah, OK.
  35 18:11:25 <heidi> I don't know that the one that I gave you is a live boot.
  36 18:11:27 <john> Try using a DVD. Works much better in my experience. If you used the LiveUSB program, it doesn't work at all for me. I have much better luck using dd.
  37 18:11:30 <heidi> Most likely not.
  38 18:11:52 <Stoney> I found something on it: #link http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Secure-Boot-Not-Enabled-message-upon-attempt-to-install-Ubuntu/td-p/933473
  39 18:11:53 <heidi> Ah, OK. So Dark_Rose could you please let Tiago know that?
  40 18:12:00 <Dark_Rose> The computer I'm using is an Eee PC so there's not CD drive, I would if I could lol
  41 18:12:04 <heidi> Hey Stoney.
  42 18:12:10 <Stoney> Hello :)
  43 18:12:11 <Dark_Rose> And I will
  44 18:12:18 <heidi> In order for the "link" to register, the hash-link has to be at the start of a line.
  45 18:12:21 <john> But the stick I used with dd got media check errors, so I'm iffy with that even.
  46 18:12:24 <heidi> #link http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Secure-Boot-Not-Enabled-message-upon-attempt-to-install-Ubuntu/td-p/933473
  47 18:12:28 <Stoney> ok thanks
  48 18:12:36 <heidi> :-)
  49 18:12:47 <heidi> Oh, right. Forgot about that!
  50 18:12:49 <john> Dark_Rose, ah, netbooks. Try using dd, not LiveUSB
  51 18:13:18 <darci> John: what is dd?
  52 18:13:27 <Dark_Rose> Yes, please tell :) lol
  53 18:13:37 <Stoney> dd the unix command?
  54 18:13:40 <heidi> I don't know what it is either.
  55 18:13:47 <john> a command line program that writes a bootable iso image to USB drive
  56 18:14:13 <Stoney> think of it like a byte-for-byte copy command (sound right John?)
  57 18:14:14 <darci> ah...cool
  58 18:14:23 <john> yep
  59 18:14:25 <Dark_Rose> Can you send a link to where to get this program please?
  60 18:14:41 <john> It should be built-in
  61 18:14:50 <heidi> It is a linux command.
  62 18:14:51 <Stoney> Youtube video on using dd for creating a live usb
  63 18:14:54 <Stoney> #link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSDjyI5Y94A
  64 18:15:02 <Dark_Rose> Ok, I'll look into it later, thanks
  65 18:15:03 <Stoney> (on mac)
  66 18:15:14 <Stoney> (should be similar from linux)
  67 18:15:18 <amber> gnome uses the dd #link http://www.gnome.org/getting-gnome/
  68 18:15:29 <ghislop> #link http://linux.die.net/man/1/dd
  69 18:16:14 <Dark_Rose> Thanks all!
  70 18:16:17 <darci> john: have you successfully made the switch from ubuntu to fedora?
  71 18:16:46 <heidi> Amber, in order to have the link show up in the meeting notes, the "hash-link" must be at the beginning of the line.
  72 18:16:50 <john> Yes, to 17 on the laptop and 18 here. Not sure which we'll be using (18, it seems?)
  73 18:17:26 <amber> o ok
  74 18:17:33 <amber> #link http://www.gnome.org/getting-gnome/
  75 18:17:44 <john> Tip for all: add "r" before the device id when using dd -- enables direct access. Makes it much faster
  76 18:17:58 <heidi> Yes, would be good to standardize on 18.
  77 18:18:03 <heidi> At least for spring :-)
  78 18:18:11 <Stoney> are we targeting fedora? Or, what is the motivation to switch to fedora?
  79 18:18:34 <amber> #away
  80 18:18:36 <john> example, dd if=./something.iso of=/dev/rdisk1
  81 18:18:43 <john> note the r before disk1
  82 18:18:58 <john> Latest GNOME
  83 18:19:16 <john> That's what we should target, IMO, regardless of distro
  84 18:19:25 <Stoney> "Latest GNOME" meaning fedora 18 has the latest GNOME?
  85 18:19:31 <Stoney> cool
  86 18:20:03 <heidi> The motivation for moving to fedora is that GNOME is native on fedora
  87 18:20:19 <Stoney> great, thanks heidi
  88 18:20:27 <heidi> And it would be easier (or so we assume) to have everyone on the same platform.
  89 18:20:36 <heidi> At least while getting started and getting the kinks out.
  90 18:20:43 <heidi> Then we can expand to different platforms.
  91 18:20:45 <Stoney> good idea
  92 18:20:55 <darci> With the understanding that we can branch out later
  93 18:21:21 <darci> (ditto what Heidi said)
  94 18:21:22 <john> Would be neat if someday mousetrap would be part of GNOME's accessibility prefpane
  95 18:21:26 <john> just saying
  96 18:21:46 <heidi> Ummm, don't know how to do that, but we could talk to Joanie about it.
  97 18:21:47 <Stoney> (prefpane = preference pane?)
  98 18:21:59 <john> Sorry, yes preference pane
  99 18:22:16 <Stoney> thx
 100 18:22:35 <joanie> until it is gnome3 ready, that will not happen
 101 18:22:48 <heidi> Right, you typed my thoughts!
 102 18:22:49 <john> As I said, someday :)
 103 18:22:50 <darci> Hi joanie
 104 18:22:50 <joanie> and the module is gnome-control-center
 105 18:23:07 <joanie> hey (I'm still in a meeting, but saw my name mentioned)
 106 18:24:19 <darci> John: Did you get mousetrap installed on the laptop after installing fedora
 107 18:24:53 <ghislop> Change topics?
 108 18:25:06 <ghislop> I think we've gotten status from everyone
 109 18:25:18 <ghislop> perhaps a "next steps"?
 110 18:25:26 <john> darci, not yet.
 111 18:25:35 <darci> #topic Next steps
 112 18:26:02 <john> That's my next step, obviously :)
 113 18:26:10 <ghislop> I would like to suggest that the students start to share status more often
 114 18:26:12 <john> Though on here, since the laptop wouldn't play nice with 18
 115 18:26:34 <ghislop> And that you consider posting to #mousetrap when you get stuck or even just hit a serious problem
 116 18:26:42 <heidi> Yes, right.
 117 18:26:50 <amber> #link http://xcitegroup.org/foss2serve/index.php/Status
 118 18:26:52 <heidi> Hmmm, how old is the laptop?
 119 18:27:05 <john> Pretty old. Centrino era.
 120 18:27:18 <ghislop> Someone else might help, or at least you can make each other aware of problems so you don't keep re-inventing the wheel...
 121 18:27:20 <john> Graphics hardware couldn't handle the new GNOME 3. Had to use the fallback.
 122 18:27:25 <darci> Would it make sense for everyone to join the mousetrap listserve
 123 18:27:45 <darci> #link https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mousetrap-list
 124 18:27:49 <ghislop> I didn't know there was a mouseTrap listserv! :-)
 125 18:27:54 <heidi> Yes, is everyone signed up for it?
 126 18:28:06 <darci> I signed up in the last day or two
 127 18:28:14 <heidi> OK.
 128 18:28:35 <ghislop> OK.  I'll sign up!
 129 18:28:41 <darci> #action Get signed up for the Mousetrap listserve
 130 18:28:58 <ghislop> such a good meeting chair! :-)
 131 18:29:01 <Stoney> no, i'll do it now
 132 18:29:07 <amber> is it actionable to add statuses on the team page?
 133 18:29:09 * darci smile
 134 18:29:57 <ghislop> amber: we do still want to keep the status and record on the team wiki page.
 135 18:30:17 <john> Sorry to go off-topic, but I am wondering what an a11y application is?
 136 18:30:17 <ghislop> I'm wondering if the team page is followed closely enough though
 137 18:30:23 <amber> im not sure everyone is up to date
 138 18:31:06 <darci> #action Each team should update the team wiki with current status
 139 18:31:09 <ghislop> #action Each site should update the MouseTrap status page on the foss2serve wiki
 140 18:31:11 <heidi> An ally application, as I understand it, is an application developed for users with disabilities.
 141 18:32:01 <Dark_Rose> I haven't been updating my status because I don't have Fedora even...and I haven't been able to work with Logan yet this semester. I will add my walkthrough of how I installed fedora once I have successfully done so.
 142 18:33:20 <heidi> Dark_Rose, go ahead and post what you've done.
 143 18:33:23 <john> thanks heidi
 144 18:33:30 <heidi> Even though you haven't gotten fedora installed.
 145 18:33:33 <Dark_Rose> Ok, thanks
 146 18:33:58 <amber> I think even posting that is helpful dark_rose, so then we can help out if we've seen that problem before
 147 18:34:02 <john> I'm in similar shoes w/ Dark_Rose -- just working on getting Fedora up and running, nothing to do with mousetrap yet
 148 18:34:02 <heidi> Then people who come along after you will be able to learn from your experience.
 149 18:34:17 <heidi> Ah, OK.
 150 18:34:21 <Stoney> #link http://xcitegroup.org/foss2serve/index.php/Status
 151 18:34:33 <Stoney> (just wanted to get the status page in the record)
 152 18:34:45 <heidi> So lets see if we can get everyone up and running on Fedora by next week.
 153 18:35:02 <darci> When we get to it...should our IRC team meeting notes be posted on our wiki as well as on gnomes site?
 154 18:35:19 <heidi> Ah, I'm going to post the IRC notes on the MouseTrap page.
 155 18:35:25 <heidi> But I haven't gotten that far. :-(
 156 18:35:27 <Dark_Rose> That would be really nice
 157 18:35:30 <heidi> Sorry, I am behind.
 158 18:35:34 <heidi> Yes, will do.
 159 18:35:51 <darci> No worries...just asking because there is a link there
 160 18:36:07 <darci> So it looks like we should have them posted there at some point
 161 18:36:21 <heidi> Yes, right.
 162 18:36:27 <heidi> Yup, that is the plan.
 163 18:36:51 <darci> I signed up for an account, so can help...just let me know
 164 18:37:06 <heidi> to be clear, I'm planning on posting to the mousetrap page on GNOME
 165 18:37:12 <heidi> OK, thanks.
 166 18:38:25 <heidi> We eventually want to use a structure similar to:
 167 18:38:27 <heidi> #link https://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Minutes
 168 18:38:39 <heidi> And the individual meeting note pages look like:
 169 18:38:54 <heidi> #link https://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Minutes/20130117
 170 18:39:08 <heidi> So feel free to post notes there if you get to it before I do darci.
 171 18:39:42 <darci> sounds good...I'll let you know if I do
 172 18:39:58 <heidi> OK, thanks.
 173 18:40:08 <heidi> Does anyone have anything else?
 174 18:40:20 <ghislop> I'm good.
 175 18:40:24 <darci> #action Try to get everyone running Fedora by next week
 176 18:40:39 <darci> I don't
 177 18:40:51 <amber> question, are we going to have a central git location for code soon?
 178 18:40:56 <Dark_Rose> I'm good for now lol
 179 18:41:41 <ghislop> There's a copy of MouseTrap on github for this team
 180 18:42:01 <amber> are there plans to make it writable?
 181 18:42:01 <ghislop> Stoney: do you have that link?
 182 18:42:09 <Stoney> one sec
 183 18:43:18 <Stoney> #link https://github.com/StoneyJackson/mousetrap
 184 18:43:23 <Stoney> It is not writable
 185 18:43:50 <heidi> So students have to send updates to you, yes?
 186 18:43:55 <Stoney> I'm not sure we ever finalized our structure
 187 18:44:14 <Stoney> the idea is for students to fork the copy on github (requires a github account)
 188 18:44:24 <amber> im just asking bc i had fedora crash on me once already and had to recoop some of my work
 189 18:44:28 <Stoney> push your changes to your forked copy
 190 18:44:44 <john> That will become messy fast...
 191 18:44:48 <Stoney> when you are ready to commit back, make a pull request via github
 192 18:44:59 <amber> ok great, i have a fork already if once everyone is on fedora, they can pull from my branch
 193 18:45:26 <Stoney> the alternative is to make everyone a contributor to the github project posted above
 194 18:45:31 <amber> so we dont all have to start from stratch
 195 18:46:00 <ghislop> Amber: so your fork includes the issues you've already addressed in MouseTrap correct?
 196 18:46:05 <amber> yes
 197 18:46:10 <amber> its completely up to date
 198 18:46:18 <ghislop> great!
 199 18:46:23 <Stoney> then we should probably use that one
 200 18:46:36 <amber> im working on a branch and the master includes some basic changes that both me and Logan did
 201 18:46:37 <Stoney> but the question still remains, how?
 202 18:47:03 <amber> well i dont have a paying acct so its public
 203 18:47:10 <ghislop> OK.  so we need a mechanism to bring that back to the trunk
 204 18:47:52 <Stoney> by "trunk", you mean GNOMEs mainline?
 205 18:47:53 <amber> we can work off my fork and then pull request back to the master after the install is complete?
 206 18:48:08 <ghislop> that might work.
 207 18:48:28 <ghislop> Stoney: could you look at what we've got and suggest an approach?
 208 18:48:37 <Dark_Rose> I have to go to class, bye everyone!
 209 18:48:42 <amber> bye!
 210 18:48:53 <ghislop> bye!
 211 18:48:56 <darci> Bye Dark_Rose
 212 18:49:09 <ghislop> Probably should wrap up anyhow?
 213 18:49:35 <darci> We can
 214 18:49:43 <Stoney> sure ghislop
 215 18:49:44 <ghislop> (they're cancelling the last two hours of school here... and it hasn't started to snow yet... but then DC doesn't handle snow well at all!
 216 18:49:55 <amber> #link https://github.com/amberheilman/mousetrap
 217 18:49:58 <amber> thats to my fork
 218 18:50:05 <heidi> Ah, thanks Amber!
 219 18:50:13 <darci> Alright, I'll end the meeting
 220 18:50:19 <heidi> :-)
 221 18:50:23 <heidi> Thanks all!
 222 18:50:28 <darci> Heidi and Greg: travel safe!
 223 18:50:41 <heidi> Thanks! See you all later!
 224 18:50:44 <amber> Have a great weekend everyone!
 225 18:50:48 <ghislop> thank you.... stay warm everyone!
 226 18:50:49 <darci> #endmeeting