1 18:00:59 <heidi> #startmeeting
   2 18:00:59 <tota11y> Meeting started Wed Jan 16 18:00:59 2013 CET.  The chair is heidi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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   4 18:01:09 <heidi> Hello folks and welcome.
   5 18:01:12 <LoganH> Good afternoon everyone
   6 18:01:48 <heidi> WE have an agenda listed at: #link https://live.gnome.org/MouseTrap/Meetings
   7 18:01:49 <ghislop> For those new to IRC, Heidi has started a meeting bot or meet bot
   8 18:02:00 <Lori> What's that?
   9 18:02:04 <heidi> That is what the blue highlighted items are.
  10 18:02:08 <ghislop> this is a tool that will sit in the channel and log what's going on.
  11 18:02:14 <joanie> heidi commands must be on their own line
  12 18:02:24 <joanie> (but it picks up the links without a command)
  13 18:02:30 <heidi> A meetbot captures both the raw text as well as key things such as links, topics, to do things etc.
  14 18:02:38 <heidi> Ah, so I should have done:
  15 18:02:42 <heidi> #link https://live.gnome.org/MouseTrap/Meetings
  16 18:02:43 <ghislop> the commands allow events of the meeting to be recorded and later provided in summary form
  17 18:02:43 <heidi> Yes?
  18 18:02:48 <joanie> yup
  19 18:02:52 <heidi> Ah, thanks!
  20 18:02:57 <john> Neat.
  21 18:02:57 <joanie> the bot also knows bugzilla bugs
  22 18:03:03 <heidi> Oh, cool!
  23 18:03:33 <heidi> So the main goal of this meeting is to introduce folks and to get us all on the same page.
  24 18:03:39 <heidi> #topic Introductions
  25 18:03:56 * joanie notes that perhaps fearless leader should be here
  26 18:04:02 <heidi> RIght.
  27 18:04:12 <heidi> I'll ping him in a11y
  28 18:04:38 <ghislop> why don't we start with some introductions?
  29 18:04:58 <ghislop> I'd ask everyone to just give us a sentence or so to introduce themselves
  30 18:05:08 <ghislop> (this will also give everyone a chance to type...
  31 18:05:42 <ghislop> understand that most of the people here - students especially -  are new to IRC, so we're all learning...
  32 18:05:50 <ghislop> I'll ask Heidi to start
  33 18:06:10 <heidi> I'm a prof at Western New England University (Heidi Ellis)
  34 18:06:21 <darci> Ok...I'm Darci Burdge from Nassau Community College. We have a couple of students who will be working on the mousetrap project: John and Jana
  35 18:06:33 <darci> oops that last name should be Jan
  36 18:06:33 <heidi> And I've been involving software engineering students in FOSS projects with GNOME Accessibility Team for the last three years.
  37 18:06:47 <ghislop> and Jan couldn't make it?
  38 18:06:47 <heidi> Hi Darci
  39 18:07:00 <ghislop> (I should note that NCC is still on break)
  40 18:07:06 <darci> I didn't hear back from him
  41 18:07:15 <Lori> I'm a prof at nassau community college with Darci
  42 18:07:51 <john> I'm John, CS student at NCC.
  43 18:07:52 <ghislop> Students from WNE?
  44 18:07:56 <Lori> As a first time IRC person, is there any etiquette I should know about?
  45 18:08:08 <heidi> Yes, be polite :-)
  46 18:08:22 <heidi> And you don't have to ask: "Can I ask a question"
  47 18:08:29 <ghislop> Apparently we're having some trouble with the students at WNE getting connected
  48 18:08:34 <LoganH> Sorry.. My client disconnected suddenly. Have I missed anything?
  49 18:08:43 <heidi> Hi LoganH, are you in the lab?
  50 18:08:51 <ghislop> Logan: we assigned all the project work to you
  51 18:08:55 <heidi> :-)
  52 18:09:14 <LoganH> Thanks Heidi :)
  53 18:09:15 * john looks at Emily Post etiquette manual
  54 18:09:20 <ghislop> Amber?
  55 18:09:23 <heidi> Nikki is in the lab and can't get connected.
  56 18:09:24 <amber> Hi everyone, I'm Amber, 4th year junior at Drexel. I am pursuing a bachelors in IS and a masters in SE.
  57 18:09:31 <heidi> Welcome Amber!
  58 18:09:58 <ghislop> (another explanation... Drexel programs are mostly 5 years, so Junior is the 4th year...
  59 18:10:00 <heidi> So Joanie just created the italics using the forward slash followed immediately by "me".
  60 18:10:18 <heidi> This is typically used to represent thoughts.
  61 18:10:20 <joanie> heidi: different clients have different formats
  62 18:10:27 <heidi> Oh, sorry, John did the italics
  63 18:10:28 <joanie> I see no italics
  64 18:10:29 <ghislop> The third year is called "pre-junior"
  65 18:10:36 <heidi> Ah, thank you.
  66 18:10:59 <heidi> Loganh, could you please introduce yourself?
  67 18:11:35 <ghislop> I've been tpying, but didn't introduce myself.. I''m Greg Hislop, a professor at Drexel U.  Amber is working with me ...
  68 18:11:54 <LoganH> Oh yes. I'm Logan Hotchkiss, Junior at WNE. I'm majoring in Computer Science with minors in IT and Business Entrepeneurship
  69 18:12:16 <heidi> AndroUser, are you from WNE?
  70 18:12:18 <ghislop> Hi Logan!
  71 18:12:36 <heidi> Hi Dark_Rose, we're introducing ourselves.
  72 18:12:44 <Dark_Rose> Yes I am, irs
  73 18:12:53 <Dark_Rose> *it's Nicole lol
  74 18:13:12 <heidi> Dark_Rose, and where do you come from? Major?
  75 18:13:46 <heidi> #item WNE: heidi, LoganH, Dark_Rose
  76 18:13:57 <Dark_Rose> My name is Nicole Daugherty. I'm from WNE with a Major in IT and a minor in Forensic Science.
  77 18:14:02 <heidi> Ah, thanks.
  78 18:14:18 <joanie> heidi #info; not item
  79 18:14:31 * heidi laughs
  80 18:14:33 <heidi> sorry.
  81 18:14:36 <joanie> no worries
  82 18:14:42 <joanie> it's what I'm here for
  83 18:14:45 <heidi> #info WNE: heidi, LoganH, Dark_Rose
  84 18:14:47 <heidi> And thank you!
  85 18:15:11 <heidi> #info NCC: darci, Lori, john
  86 18:15:12 <ghislop> #info Drexel: Greg Hislop, Amber Heilman
  87 18:15:25 <heidi> #info GNOME a11y: joanie, API
  88 18:15:29 <heidi> Next topic?
  89 18:15:35 <ghislop> sure
  90 18:15:54 <heidi> #topic Intro to IRC
  91 18:16:15 <amber> how do you laugh/nod?
  92 18:16:21 <heidi> Joanie, do you want to give us the two best things to do on IRC?
  93 18:16:24 * ghislop laughs
  94 18:16:26 * joanie nods foolishly
  95 18:16:32 <amber> *laughs ?
  96 18:16:34 <heidi> Amber, what client are you using?
  97 18:16:39 <amber> konversation
  98 18:16:40 <joanie> amber type /me
  99 18:16:42 <ghislop> that was done with a "/me" proceeding the text
 100 18:16:55 * amber laugh
 101 18:16:57 <joanie> two best things?
 102 18:17:00 <amber> o thanks!
 103 18:17:00 <heidi> You got it!
 104 18:17:03 * joanie thinks a bit
 105 18:17:04 <john> http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/irctutorial.html
 106 18:17:07 <heidi> Or two tips? or more than two?
 107 18:17:14 <joanie> Tips
 108 18:17:29 <joanie> especially given the geeky 21st century in which we live
 109 18:17:33 <amber> Here is a list of meetbot commands: http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html
 110 18:17:54 <ghislop> Thanks john.  General note:  there are quite a few good tutorial resources on IRC... Google knows where they are...
 111 18:17:55 <heidi> Good job john and amber, this is exactly what we're looking for.
 112 18:18:03 <joanie> #info Tip 1: Many hackers lurk. That means they are signed on, but not necessarily at their computer
 113 18:18:14 <joanie> for instance, I'm signed on all the time
 114 18:18:17 <joanie> even when I sleep
 115 18:18:25 <joanie> even when I'm running errands
 116 18:18:31 <heidi> Do you go "away from keyboard" (afk)?
 117 18:18:33 <john> Yep, just sharing what I've been using (and yes, thanks to the almighty Goog)
 118 18:18:42 <joanie> so just because someone doesn't answer you doesn't mean they are ignoring you.
 119 18:18:53 <heidi> Ah, yes!
 120 18:19:06 <joanie> In my particular case, irssi sets my status to away when I close my terminal
 121 18:19:13 <joanie> but often, I don't change status
 122 18:19:25 <API> heidi, in some cases you can mark yourself to be away, depends on the client
 123 18:19:28 <API> on my client on that case
 124 18:19:28 <joanie> but you should be able to check idle time
 125 18:19:35 <API> my name appear greyed out
 126 18:19:42 <joanie> for instance try doing a /whois joanie
 127 18:19:46 <API> anyway, sometimes I just edit a little my nick
 128 18:19:48 <heidi> Ah, OK. Thanks for the clarification.
 129 18:19:48 <API> ie:
 130 18:19:58 <heidi> :-)
 131 18:20:15 <API_afk> although to be sincere, sometimes I forgot to reset the name when I came back ;)
 132 18:20:16 <joanie> tip 1.5 no two developers are exactly alike ;)
 133 18:20:29 <ghislop> Joanie and API... we didn't give you the opportunity to introduce yourselves...
 134 18:20:32 <heidi> To fill folks in, joanie and API are co-leads on the Accessibility team.
 135 18:20:42 <ghislop> thanks Heidi!
 136 18:20:45 <ghislop> :-)
 137 18:20:47 <joanie> #info tip 2 international teams are international. I'm (currently) in New Hampshire. API is in Spain.
 138 18:21:00 <joanie> we just found out a new maintainer is (we think) in Japan
 139 18:21:10 <joanie> so you cannot assume people are in your timezone
 140 18:21:33 <ghislop> and I would add that this seems to be typical for open source projects... which is rather cool!
 141 18:21:34 <joanie> #info tip 3 If you have a question, ask it.
 142 18:21:46 <joanie> ghislop: indeed (typical and cool)
 143 18:21:58 <heidi> #info tip 4 always be polite, you never know who may be in the channel.
 144 18:22:19 <Lori> Are nicks typically lowercase?  Should I be lori instead of Lori?
 145 18:22:34 * joanie looks at API and tells Lori, "nah"
 146 18:22:36 <heidi> Good question!
 147 18:22:38 <heidi> :-)
 148 18:22:56 <john> I was just lazy :)
 149 18:23:28 <heidi> Any other tips?
 150 18:23:41 <API> Lori, well, nicknames are just nicknames, they usually mix lower and uppercase
 151 18:23:41 <joanie> I can't think of any
 152 18:23:50 <ghislop> I've found that the best way to figure out IRC is to get on and try things....
 153 18:23:56 <joanie> exactly
 154 18:24:02 <API> although it is true that is rare to found a full upprcase like me
 155 18:24:11 <API> it is just because API are my initials
 156 18:24:12 <joanie> fearless leader is special
 157 18:24:12 <ghislop> You can always create a channel on the fly and have someone else join you to play around
 158 18:24:22 <heidi> You are a rare treasure API!
 159 18:24:30 <API> I started to use that as nickname long before learn that has a computer science meaning
 160 18:24:33 <heidi> OK, so if you're new to IRC, read up and join the discussions.
 161 18:24:36 <heidi> New topic?
 162 18:24:41 <joanie> <cough>thank goodness. I cannot imagine more than one API</cough>
 163 18:24:48 <heidi> Me either!
 164 18:24:50 <ghislop> :-)
 165 18:24:54 * joanie ducks
 166 18:25:34 <heidi> #topic Status updates from students
 167 18:25:46 <heidi> Could we have a brief update from each student as to your progress?
 168 18:26:11 <ghislop> As a general comment... I think everyone is still in the process of getting mouseTrap installed and working...
 169 18:26:20 <amber> yes
 170 18:26:48 <heidi> Joanie and API, students have been logging their progress:
 171 18:26:49 <amber> I am currently working to update some of the code to be compatible with opencv 2.1
 172 18:26:50 <heidi> #link http://www.xcitegroup.org/foss2serve/index.php/Status
 173 18:27:16 <heidi> Amber, and is that where you're stuck?
 174 18:27:18 <joanie> amber: Nice!
 175 18:27:37 <amber> just working out each error as i get them
 176 18:27:42 <Dark_Rose> Nicoles progress: I couldn't get Fedora to even start from my flashdrive to my computer so I haven't been able to start anything. I will be touching base with Logan by the end of the week so we can get our computers we are using set up in our lab and get started from there.
 177 18:27:45 <LoganH> I'm in the same spot with Amber, working on making changes to the code for CV compatabbility
 178 18:28:23 <john> Didn't dig in near as far as amber or LoganH, but I got it installed fine (sans webcam). When I introduced the webcam into the mix, though, things didn't go too well
 179 18:28:39 <amber> I know that john might have gotten closer using ubuntu and an older version of opencv
 180 18:28:50 <amber> (before the breaking changes of the new api)
 181 18:29:06 <john> Also noted that I'm working off a kinda outdated OS w/ old packages...
 182 18:29:13 <heidi> Dark_Rose and LoganH, why don't you set up the mini-linux boxes in the lab and work from here.
 183 18:29:22 <heidi> We'll figure out how to get them strapped down.
 184 18:29:57 <Dark_Rose> I would have done so already but I haven't seen Logan's face since we have got back from break lol
 185 18:30:34 <heidi> Joanie, API, does is make sense to try Mousetrap on on Ubuntu platform?
 186 18:30:39 <ghislop> so it looks like WNE and Drexel have matching configs...
 187 18:30:44 <joanie> I use fedora; API?
 188 18:30:45 <heidi> LoganH and Amber are working on Fedora.
 189 18:30:54 <joanie> what version of Fedora?
 190 18:30:57 <amber> 17
 191 18:30:58 <john> A quick question -- this is a GNOME project, right? No interest in making it work with forks?
 192 18:30:59 <API> Im still using ubuntu
 193 18:31:00 <ghislop> 17
 194 18:31:02 <joanie> I can try to set up a similar environment
 195 18:31:09 <API> 12.10, don't remember the animal name
 196 18:31:10 <Dark_Rose> 17 here as well
 197 18:31:11 <LoganH> Heidi: I have one computer setup in the lab before break, but needed to bring in my usb cd drive to get it installed. I will be working on that this upcoming week
 198 18:31:23 <LoganH> Im on Fedora 17 as well
 199 18:31:31 <API> ubuntu 12.10 quantal
 200 18:31:34 <heidi> LoganH, I've got more of those drives if you need in my office.
 201 18:31:41 <ghislop> Joanie:  the link Heidi provided has detailed config info for each site
 202 18:31:49 <joanie> awesome thanks
 203 18:31:51 * joanie looks
 204 18:31:54 <API> but probably fedora would be a better option, as it is more aligned with GNOME these days
 205 18:31:58 <john> I'm on Ubuntu 10.10 (the one before they added Unity -_-)
 206 18:32:24 <ghislop> John: So perhaps you should move to Fedora?
 207 18:32:27 <heidi> John, Hmmm, sounds like it might make sense for you to upgrade to 12.10 or swap to Fedora?
 208 18:32:33 <darci> does it makes sense for us to switch to fedora
 209 18:32:46 <joanie> that depends darci
 210 18:32:46 <john> Yeah I'm thinking the same, but it's not my laptop. I'll speak with darci about that.
 211 18:32:53 <ghislop> Darci: yes, unless that's a problem
 212 18:32:54 <joanie> on the one hand it gets everyone in the same environment
 213 18:33:05 <joanie> on the other hand, there are a lot of Ubuntu users
 214 18:33:25 <joanie> Even if Canonical has <ahem> drifted from GNOME a tad
 215 18:33:26 <amber> All of the dependencies and OS's are listed on the status site so we can all work in the same environment
 216 18:33:29 <john> That comes back to how GNOME-centric should the project be?
 217 18:33:31 <heidi> So simply updating the ubuntu to 12.10 might be best.
 218 18:33:44 <ghislop> Joanie: right.  I'm thinking along the same lines.  Although for getting started, standardizing the environment might simplify life
 219 18:33:47 <john> Because Ubuntu isn't too cozy with GNOME those days…
 220 18:33:57 <joanie> john: ya think?
 221 18:33:58 <joanie> ;)
 222 18:34:20 <joanie> anyhoo, with API on Ubuntu and me on Fedora, you have resources from both
 223 18:34:37 <Dark_Rose> maybe it's beneficial to work in both so that both platforms can be used by future users?
 224 18:34:47 <joanie> Please tell me Gtk+ 3 and Python 3 and GObject Introspection are also on the to-do list
 225 18:35:01 <ghislop> so here's a decision for NCC: to Ubuntu or to not Ubuntu
 226 18:35:11 <amber> I think we resolved some simple errors with the GObject introspection
 227 18:35:16 <john> If MouseTrap is written for GNOME Shell (GNOME 3), would it work on Unity (with minimal effort)?
 228 18:35:26 <heidi> joanie, API so should we keep one team on ubuntu? Does that make sense?
 229 18:35:29 <joanie> john: MouseTrap is not written for gnome-shell
 230 18:35:50 <joanie> we need it working with GNOME 3y environments
 231 18:36:12 <joanie> and ubuntu 13.04 will be python 3 based, gtk 3.6 based (i think), etc
 232 18:36:20 <joanie> heidi: It's up to you re ubuntu
 233 18:36:36 <API> eventually, it would be good to have a better integration of mousetrap and gnome-shell
 234 18:36:37 <darci> it sounds like it makes more sense to switch to fedora
 235 18:36:38 <API> but right now
 236 18:36:38 <joanie> but everyone should be in an environment with a pretty current gnome/unity
 237 18:36:39 <API> as joanie said
 238 18:36:53 <API> what we need is mousetrap working with gnome 3y environments
 239 18:36:54 <joanie> for instance, I'm the Orca maintainer, and Orca needs to work in Ubuntu
 240 18:36:55 * amber notes that all other students are using python 2.7
 241 18:37:15 <heidi> #action Add Gtk+ 3 and Python 3 and GObject Introspection as high priority
 242 18:37:22 <joanie> amber: GNOME is making python 3 the version of GNOME 3.8
 243 18:37:26 <joanie> so Fedora 19
 244 18:37:35 <amber> o ok
 245 18:37:38 <joanie> but we need to target the future
 246 18:37:44 <amber> agreed
 247 18:37:59 <joanie> btw, I have had to do the introspection, gtk 3, bla bla bla for Orca, and for much of Accerciser
 248 18:38:04 <joanie> I'm a fricken' pro
 249 18:38:05 <joanie> ;)
 250 18:38:09 <john> What about Unity (when will it use Python 3 and Gtk+ 3, if not already)?
 251 18:38:11 <joanie> ping me any time you want help with that
 252 18:38:16 <heidi> #action NCC decide on Ubuntu or Fedora
 253 18:38:18 <joanie> I don't know jack about OpenCV
 254 18:38:20 <amber> do you have any resources for introspection (joanie)
 255 18:38:29 <heidi> #action WNE, Drexel update to Fedora 19
 256 18:38:30 <joanie> amber: my brain at this point
 257 18:38:32 <joanie> but I can look
 258 18:38:44 <amber> I haven't found a really good conversion website yet
 259 18:38:45 <joanie> #action Joanie will hunt down some introspection docs for Amber
 260 18:39:02 <joanie> amber: We can chat later too
 261 18:39:09 <joanie> once you get the hang of it, it's not hard
 262 18:39:13 <amber> :)
 263 18:39:27 <joanie> in fact.... in terms of sample code, that might be the best
 264 18:39:44 <joanie> #action Joanie will look for her commits for introspection for Amber
 265 18:40:05 <amber> thank you!
 266 18:40:12 <joanie> ugh, thought of something else
 267 18:40:20 <API> john, no idea bout Unity plans at this moment
 268 18:40:26 <joanie> API, any objections to me adding myself and Heidi to the doap for mousetrap?
 269 18:40:27 <API> anyway, they are using gtk3 afaik
 270 18:40:38 <API> and as all the platform will use python3
 271 18:40:40 <joanie> so that we can then apply for Heidi's gnome account?
 272 18:40:46 <API> I guess that that would include unity
 273 18:40:56 <API> although afaik2, unity doesn't use python
 274 18:40:57 <heidi> Ummm, what is a "doap"?
 275 18:41:04 <API> is mostly written in c++
 276 18:41:10 <API> heidi, is a description file
 277 18:41:11 <joanie> it's the file that has data on maintainers
 278 18:41:16 <joanie> amongst other things
 279 18:41:21 <heidi> Ah, got it. Thanks.
 280 18:41:24 <API> provides info about the project, maintainers and so on
 281 18:41:37 <john> thanks API
 282 18:41:39 <joanie> http://git.gnome.org/browse/mousetrap/tree/mousetrap.doap
 283 18:41:40 <API> is just a little xml file, so that would be easy
 284 18:41:46 <joanie> Flavio is long gone
 285 18:41:54 <heidi> #info doap is the fil that holds information on project and its' maintainers.
 286 18:41:56 <joanie> and my understanding is that they look to that when you apply for a git account
 287 18:42:12 <joanie> API so any objections?
 288 18:42:13 <heidi> #link http://git.gnome.org/browse/mousetrap/tree/mousetrap.doap
 289 18:42:40 <API> joanie, what do you mean that they look to that?
 290 18:42:54 <API> I mean that I received my git account grants long before
 291 18:42:58 <API> being included on any .doap
 292 18:43:06 <joanie> I read that recently
 293 18:43:11 <joanie> I forget what list
 294 18:43:16 <joanie> I had my git account long before too
 295 18:43:30 <joanie> I think Olav said it somewhere
 296 18:43:35 <joanie> anyhhhhhoooo fearless one
 297 18:43:37 <joanie> objections?
 298 18:43:52 <joanie> if not I'll add myself as a maintainer
 299 18:44:10 <joanie> I can add you as well API
 300 18:44:36 <API> hmm, shouldn't we add heidi for example?
 301 18:44:37 <joanie> so then Heidi can point to us as vouchers
 302 18:44:45 <API> ah
 303 18:44:46 <joanie> we could but what is her gnome:userid?
 304 18:45:13 <joanie> anyhoo, this is a deep dive.
 305 18:45:15 * heidi looking
 306 18:45:17 <joanie> Heidi we'll sort this out
 307 18:45:20 <API> but we are already maintainers of atk/orca, shouldn't that be enough to be vouchers for heidi?
 308 18:45:23 <joanie> heidi: I don't think you have one
 309 18:45:24 <heidi> OK
 310 18:45:39 <joanie> API why isn't Flavio the voucher then?
 311 18:45:39 <heidi> Is that different from the login to edit the wiki?
 312 18:45:46 <joanie> heidi: yes it is
 313 18:45:51 <heidi> Ah, so no, I don't have one.
 314 18:46:08 <joanie> anyhoo, let's move on. We'll take care of this
 315 18:46:23 <ghislop> Sounds good.
 316 18:46:26 <API> joanie, well, because we are more active on GNOME
 317 18:46:29 <heidi> So are the three items: Gtk+ 3 and Python 3 and GObject Introspection  necessary to ensuring that MouseTrap works on current version of Fedora?
 318 18:46:39 <API> anyway, agree with moving on
 319 18:47:06 <joanie> heidi: honestly not sure if it is absolutely necessary
 320 18:47:09 <joanie> probably not
 321 18:47:14 <heidi> Ah, OK.
 322 18:47:19 <joanie> but it's one of the top goals to bring mousetrap into "good standing"
 323 18:47:26 <joanie> it is so not GNOME 3 ready
 324 18:47:30 <heidi> I'm just wondering how much of what students are struggling with is related to these goals.
 325 18:47:34 <joanie> and showing that it is would be a good thing
 326 18:47:35 <heidi> Yup, got that.
 327 18:47:44 <amber> I think opencv is the biggest contender now
 328 18:47:47 <joanie> in terms of struggling, I will set up mousetrap in Fedora 18
 329 18:47:52 <heidi> OK, so we should be able to get MouseTrap running. And then do those three tasks.
 330 18:47:53 <joanie> and see what blows up
 331 18:47:58 <heidi> :-)
 332 18:48:02 <Dark_Rose> I have to go to class. It was nice meeting everyone! I talk to Logan about anything I missed :)
 333 18:48:04 <joanie> but introspection is not hard; it's tedious
 334 18:48:18 <joanie> and I'll be a point person for anyone on that front
 335 18:48:28 <ghislop> thanks Dark_Rose!
 336 18:48:31 <heidi> Ah, so something that could be farmed out to people with less programming skills?
 337 18:48:38 <heidi> bye Dark_Rose
 338 18:48:46 <joanie> heidi yup
 339 18:49:05 <ghislop> Joanie: any suggestions about order for attacking these tasks?
 340 18:49:27 <joanie> yeah, gtk 3 and introspection together
 341 18:49:30 <joanie> then python 3
 342 18:49:38 <heidi> #action When we get introspection up and running, look to pull other students in to help with conversion.
 343 18:49:40 <ghislop> OK.  thanks
 344 18:49:40 <joanie> (which I also suffered through on two modules and can help)
 345 18:50:04 <joanie> the reason for pairing gtk 3 and introspection is that gtk 2 + introspection is kinda broken
 346 18:50:13 <joanie> and they didn't see any reason to fix it last time I checked
 347 18:50:23 <joanie> so doing introspection means also doing gtk 3
 348 18:50:24 <ghislop> #info  work on gtk 3 and introspection together and  then python 3
 349 18:50:39 <joanie> but it ain't hard. So no one should stress over it
 350 18:50:48 <joanie> and they should find me if they have questions
 351 18:51:21 <ghislop> OK
 352 18:51:25 <heidi> joanie, question about where to put code.
 353 18:51:27 <darci> is 'here' the best place to find you?
 354 18:51:42 <joanie> darci I lurk here
 355 18:51:50 <joanie> but might not be paying attention
 356 18:51:58 <heidi> Once we have the code updated to work on current versions, we'll put it on our local github and let you know?
 357 18:52:05 <joanie> but if you say my name, and I'm here, my terminal beeps
 358 18:52:18 <joanie> heidi: sure
 359 18:52:26 <darci> ok thanks!
 360 18:52:26 <heidi> OK, thanks.
 361 18:52:32 <joanie> students should have bugzilla accounts too
 362 18:52:47 <ghislop> OK
 363 18:52:48 <joanie> so as they have patches for review they can open a new bug (or find the existing one)
 364 18:53:00 <darci> #info students should have bugzilla accounts
 365 18:53:01 <joanie> actually lemme take care of that (filing a couple of bugs)
 366 18:53:04 <ghislop> #action have everyone get bugzilla accounts
 367 18:53:06 <heidi> OK, so we're getting close to an hour.
 368 18:53:14 <heidi> Next topic?
 369 18:53:25 <ghislop> next steps
 370 18:53:29 <heidi> #topic Next Steps
 371 18:53:56 <ghislop> First step should be to get a working environment at each site
 372 18:53:56 <heidi> Clearly the next step is to get a working environment on all three campuses.
 373 18:53:59 <joanie> bug 691878
 374 18:54:00 <tota11y> 04Bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=691878 normal, Normal, ---, mousetrap-maint, UNCONFIRMED, Convert to Python 3
 375 18:54:06 * joanie files another
 376 18:54:29 <heidi> FYI, joanie is making the tasks that we idenitified into bugs on bugzilla
 377 18:55:00 <joanie> since I know jack diddly about OpenCV, if someone could file a bug about that (students working on it)
 378 18:55:03 <joanie> it would be super
 379 18:55:24 <heidi> joanie, did you have to do some magic to make the "bug 691878" link to that bug?
 380 18:55:28 <amber> don't have a bugzilla accnt yet
 381 18:55:36 <heidi> Nevermind, answered my own question.
 382 18:55:49 <ghislop> #action File a bug to document problems with OpenCV
 383 18:56:18 <LoganH> I will file the OpenCV bug now
 384 18:56:58 <joanie> and bug 691879
 385 18:56:58 <tota11y> 04Bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=691879 normal, Normal, ---, mousetrap-maint, UNCONFIRMED, Convert to Gtk+ 3 and GObject Introspection
 386 18:57:24 <joanie> heidi: are you following the mousetrap-maint alias?
 387 18:57:29 <joanie> the profs should be doing so
 388 18:57:31 <heidi> So looking ahead, some guidance, particularly for students.
 389 18:57:32 <joanie> imho
 390 18:57:40 <heidi> Umm, following?
 391 18:57:46 <joanie> yup
 392 18:57:58 <joanie> I think I mentioned that in an email
 393 18:58:04 <heidi> Is that like a list?
 394 18:58:06 <joanie> do you have a bugzilla account
 395 18:58:28 <heidi> Yes, and I think so.
 396 18:58:30 <joanie> if so, go to: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email
 397 18:58:31 * heidi checking
 398 18:58:32 <joanie> :)
 399 18:58:46 <joanie> at the bottom they have "user watching"
 400 18:59:03 <heidi> OK
 401 18:59:09 <heidi> I have to find my login.
 402 18:59:11 <joanie> if you watch mousetrap-maint@gnome.bugs, you will get email notification of new bugs, comments, etc.
 403 18:59:22 <joanie> so when we start getting awesome patches for students
 404 18:59:28 <joanie> which need professor review
 405 18:59:36 <joanie> the students don't have to come looking for you
 406 18:59:44 <joanie> they just attach the patch and you get an email
 407 18:59:46 <heidi> Ah, got it.
 408 18:59:52 <joanie> geeky goodness
 409 18:59:59 <heidi> :-) I like geeky goodness!
 410 19:00:00 <ghislop> right! :-)
 411 19:00:05 <joanie> soon you'll never have to actually talk to students again. (kidding, just kidding)
 412 19:00:13 * amber laughs
 413 19:00:20 <LoganH> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=691881
 414 19:00:20 <tota11y> 04Bug 691881: normal, Normal, ---, mousetrap-maint, UNCONFIRMED, Convert OpenCV to CV 2.3.1 and update corresponding code
 415 19:00:33 <joanie> super LoganH many thanks
 416 19:00:33 <ghislop> amber is laughing because she mostly talks to me via Skype...
 417 19:00:35 * LoganH laugh
 418 19:00:35 <heidi> So LoganH, amber, john, please hang out in this channel.
 419 19:00:52 <LoganH> Heidi: will do
 420 19:00:59 <amber> surely
 421 19:01:03 <heidi> NExt Weds Lori, ghislop and heidi will be at NSF
 422 19:01:11 <LoganH> will this be the channel to use more than #foss2serve?
 423 19:01:15 <heidi> Darci, do you want to run a meeting next Weds?
 424 19:01:18 <LoganH> Or should we be in both
 425 19:01:25 <heidi> Both would be good.
 426 19:01:31 <ghislop> Logan: you can lurk in both channels
 427 19:01:36 <heidi> But pose your MouseTrap questions here.
 428 19:01:47 <joanie> API can you also join here? Or should people find you in #a11y?
 429 19:02:04 <API> I don't mind to join here
 430 19:02:10 <joanie> cool thanks
 431 19:02:12 <heidi> Ah, thanks!
 432 19:02:19 <API> but as joanie case, I don't have any idea about OpenCV
 433 19:02:33 <heidi> Its 1:02 and I know that people have to be off.
 434 19:02:35 <darci> heidi: I can run a meeting
 435 19:02:40 * API adding #mousetrap to my list of channels to join automatically
 436 19:02:41 <ghislop> well, we seem to be working through the OpenCV stuff one bit at a time
 437 19:02:46 <heidi> Super!
 438 19:02:48 <darci> Are we looking mostly for updates?
 439 19:02:55 <ghislop> yes
 440 19:03:01 <heidi> So as many as possible lets meet at noon on Weds next week and Darci will run the meeting.
 441 19:03:06 <Lori> darci, aren't you still in class at 12 on Wed?
 442 19:03:21 <darci> hmmm...let me check
 443 19:03:32 <joanie> right now the bot doesn't email out logs from meetings so until I sort that out, I'll send them to whoever chaired after the meeting
 444 19:03:45 <darci> YES...how about 12:30
 445 19:03:59 <ghislop> joanie: thanks.  that would be Heidi
 446 19:04:03 <heidi> Loganh will that work for you?
 447 19:04:11 * joanie nods
 448 19:04:24 <Lori> what time was Nicole's class?
 449 19:04:26 <heidi> Sounds like Dark_Rose will only be there for 20 minutes as she has class at 1:00.
 450 19:04:29 <LoganH> 12:30 will work for me. I have class at 2, but before that I am good
 451 19:04:33 <heidi> Shall I do another doodle poll?
 452 19:04:38 <darci> john are you available at 12:30?
 453 19:04:52 <heidi> OK, I'll take this offline and do another doodle poll.
 454 19:04:55 <ghislop> I think we need another doodle poll!
 455 19:04:57 <john> Yeah, I'm available 12:30-1:20
 456 19:05:00 <john> er 1:30
 457 19:05:12 <heidi> OK, any last comments?
 458 19:05:24 <joanie> heidi: I'm doing the doap thing now
 459 19:05:27 <joanie> will be done in a few
 460 19:05:32 <joanie> dunno if you need to leave yet
 461 19:05:35 <heidi> Ah, OK. thanks.
 462 19:06:05 <heidi> I think we should end the meeting, but folks can stick around if they want.
 463 19:06:09 <heidi> #endmeeting