1 (07:07:04) API: well, I guess that 5 minutes as margin is enough
   2 (07:07:24) API: btw, it seems that there isn't any channel operator
   3 (07:07:41) joanie: nope. aleiva was lurking from last time
   4 (07:07:41) API: (I wanted to set the channel topic)
   5 (07:07:48) joanie: sorry :-(
   6 (07:07:59) API: it is not your fault ;)
   7 (07:08:22) API: when this meeting is finished, lets ask all people to left the channel
   8 (07:08:24) API: whatever
   9 (07:08:32) API: http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Meetings
  10 (07:08:43) API: 1. GNOME 3.0 
  11 (07:08:50) API: quick reminder
  12 (07:09:07) API: some release team pinged us in order to know the state of accessibiilty
  13 (07:09:12) API: accessibility
  14 (07:09:15) API: for GNOME 3.0
  15 (07:09:26) API: so we asked all the people to update the page
  16 (07:09:59) API: in general the answer was fine
  17 (07:10:27) API: in my personal case I didn't do that yet, as some of my patches were reviewed recently
  18 (07:10:37) API: and I wanted to update that during this week, and
  19 (07:10:38) API: then
  20 (07:10:42) API: update the page
  21 (07:11:07) API: but the rest of the people on this meeting already did the homework
  22 (07:11:26) API: comments?
  23 (07:11:38) joanie: I think perhaps we can still update some of the areas which aren't.
  24 (07:11:47) joanie: like let's decide once and for all CSPI
  25 (07:12:00) joanie: libgail-gnome says we still need to decide about it
  26 (07:12:07) joanie: that was from back in march
  27 (07:12:39) API: well, mgorse also updated that section
  28 (07:12:47) API: I mean cspi
  29 (07:12:50) joanie: libgail-gnome?
  30 (07:12:55) joanie: ah
  31 (07:13:06) API: so mgorse
  32 (07:13:14) joanie: I am not seeing that update (cspi)
  33 (07:13:23) API: about cspi
  34 (07:13:27) API: the current status is
  35 (07:13:33) API: "drop for gnome3"
  36 (07:13:52) API: but after your last work, it seems feasible eventually
  37 (07:13:55) API: soo
  38 (07:14:20) API: what about do something like gnome-shell developers and say that it is planned for GNOME 3.X
  39 (07:14:25) API: if someone is willing to do that?
  40 (07:14:27) mgorse: Either we need to write a compatibility layer, or a few apps need to be ported
  41 (07:14:50) API: yeah, but I guess that that layer will not be ready for GNOME 3
  42 (07:14:56) API: at least 3.0
  43 (07:15:28) API: in the same way, if a new compatibility layer is written, 
  44 (07:15:35) API: I guess that the proper name is CSPI2
  45 (07:15:41) joanie: :-)
  46 (07:15:59) joanie: also the apps in question are deprecated
  47 (07:16:11) mgorse: dasher and brltty?
  48 (07:16:22) joanie: brltty is impacted by this?
  49 (07:16:27) ***joanie reads
  50 (07:16:36) joanie: oh as a stand alone
  51 (07:16:50) joanie: well, the world's coming to an end anyway
  52 (07:16:52) joanie: :-P
  53 (07:16:54) API: well, and in the same way, the status says
  54 (07:16:59) API: BrlTTY - while not a GNOME project, BrlTTY is used by Orca. BrlTTY also provides direct interaction with AT-SPI, and has been ported to use both CSPI/CORBA and D-Bus for AT-SPI. 
  55 (07:17:10) API: so it seems that it was already ported
  56 (07:17:20) joanie: true
  57 (07:17:25) mgorse: oh. hmm
  58 (07:18:57) API: well, lets try to conclude something specific about CSPI
  59 (07:19:16) joanie: what I'm wondering is if we need a fourth category
  60 (07:19:22) API: I think that the last comment from mgorse on the wiki is fine
  61 (07:19:29) joanie: risk implies that we're still going to do something about it
  62 (07:19:39) joanie: so two things
  63 (07:19:54) joanie: if the last comment from mgorse is the one that starts with 'Notes', that needs a date
  64 (07:20:04) joanie: I think we should clearly mark dates for the RT
  65 (07:20:15) joanie: secondly, back to the fourth category
  66 (07:20:21) API: yes, and in the same way, it would be good to remove the one with status 24-Mar-2010
  67 (07:20:27) joanie: we have three 'risk' categories/levels
  68 (07:20:50) joanie: to me risk assumes that there's still something to decide and updates to continue to provide
  69 (07:21:11) joanie: if CSPI ain't gonna happen in time for 3.0 and if those apps aren't going to work, I think we add a fourth category
  70 (07:21:31) mgorse: I'm seeing an atspi2 driver in brltty, so I guess that just leaves dasher
  71 (07:21:32) joanie: casualities, losses, bad juju, oops, ain't gonna happen, whatever
  72 (07:22:51) API: joanie, you mean something like "not for gnome 3.0, eventually for gnome 3.X" ?
  73 (07:23:03) joanie: closer :-)
  74 (07:23:16) joanie: perhaps "not for gnome 3.0"
  75 (07:23:30) joanie: whether or not it happens in the future remains to be seen
  76 (07:23:57) API: ok, I think that it is a good idea
  77 (07:23:57) ***aleiva quietly appears
  78 (07:23:59) joanie: my point is, I think we should be able to clearly state/show what will happen, what might happen, and what ain't gonna happen
  79 (07:24:02) API: a way to clarify that
  80 (07:24:19) API: where that==the situation
  81 (07:24:37) API: rest of the people, opinions?
  82 (07:24:57) mgorse: makes sense to me
  83 (07:25:23) API: well, lets try to move on
  84 (07:25:27) API: libgail-gnome
  85 (07:25:29) API: li
  86 (07:25:33) API: you are the key contact
  87 (07:25:50) API: on the last (and outdated) status
  88 (07:25:55) API: Status: 24-Mar-2010 - need to decide if this can go away or not. Right now, things like gnome-pabel getting rid of Bonobo may have left us in a state where panel applets can be inaccessible. 
  89 (07:25:59) API: well, AFAIK 
  90 (07:26:10) API: on GNOME 3 there will not be panel applets
  91 (07:26:16) API: not on GNOME Shell
  92 (07:26:20) li: the last new I got from panel
  93 (07:26:32) API: not on the panel for the fallback (classic) mode
  94 (07:26:37) li: is that they have not decided to port applets to panel
  95 (07:27:07) API: aha, it was a controversial decision, and a flame on desktop devel
  96 (07:27:23) API: as far as I remember the conclusion is
  97 (07:27:43) API: "current GNOME workforce will not do that, if anyone is interested, please do it by yourself"
  98 (07:27:49) API: so taking into account that
  99 (07:28:17) API: li, it is neccessary at all libgail-gnome?
 100 (07:29:00) li: if there is no applet
 101 (07:29:13) li: libgail-gnome is not necessary
 102 (07:29:46) API: ok, li, could you update GNOME 3 page with that information?
 103 (07:29:57) li: basically it is an implementation of bonobosocket
 104 (07:30:08) li: ok
 105 (07:30:39) API: ok, thanks, next point
 106 (07:30:45) API: New Universal Access Preferences UI
 107 (07:30:51) li: I am trying to find a page which state "we are not going to port applets", do you know if there is such page?
 108 (07:31:04) API: li, there is no such page
 109 (07:31:06) API: AFAIK
 110 (07:31:11) li: ok
 111 (07:31:16) API: you would require to search on desktop devel ml
 112 (07:31:29) API: but you can write that, and then try to confirm it with release team
 113 (07:31:31) li: yes, i remember there are such mails
 114 (07:31:39) li: ok
 115 (07:31:42) API: ok
 116 (07:31:43) API: so
 117 (07:31:46) API: New Universal Access Preferences UI
 118 (07:31:58) API: first, the description itself is outdated
 119 (07:32:10) API: as it keeps talking about gconf settings
 120 (07:32:22) API: and this was moved to the new and shiny gsettings
 121 (07:32:46) API: and btw
 122 (07:32:47) API: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=638205
 123 (07:33:01) API: William Jon revamped the dialog
 124 (07:33:16) API: and removed the check button to set/unset accessibility
 125 (07:33:23) API: at least the last time I tried it
 126 (07:33:46) API: and btw, I will set the target to GNOME 3.0 as rt asked us
 127 (07:33:53) API: ah, because this is something that
 128 (07:33:56) API: we forget to say
 129 (07:34:01) API: if we detect any bug
 130 (07:34:08) API: that in opinion is a requirement for GNOME 3.0
 131 (07:34:18) API: we should set the GNOME target
 132 (07:34:19) mgorse: Do you know if accessibility is now on by default?
 133 (07:34:20) API: on the bug 
 134 (07:34:23) API: to GNOME 3.0
 135 (07:34:31) API: mgorse, no, AFAIK
 136 (07:34:40) API: you still need to set the setting
 137 (07:34:55) API: that btw, now it is moved to a different schema
 138 (07:37:24) API: so, the conclusion at this moemnt
 139 (07:37:40) API: is that the new universal access preferences needs a real testing
 140 (07:37:53) API: and that some bugs are blocking it
 141 (07:37:59) API: Status: 04-Oct-2010 - We don't know who is working on it, send a mail to key contacts? 
 142 (07:38:08) API: urgh, we didn't do our homework
 143 (07:38:10) API: :(
 144 (07:38:19) API: but afaik,william jon
 145 (07:38:48) API: lets move
 146 (07:38:51) API: AccessX-Status Applet
 147 (07:39:04) API: I think that there are some indicators there
 148 (07:39:15) API: I will try to test that again
 149 (07:39:16) joanie: where?
 150 (07:39:22) API: on GNOME Shell
 151 (07:39:33) API: hmm
 152 (07:39:34) joanie: what about for fallback?
 153 (07:39:37) API: argh
 154 (07:39:38) API: yes
 155 (07:39:45) API: I started to thing about it again
 156 (07:40:05) API: no applets at all means no accessX-status applets
 157 (07:40:12) ***joanie nods
 158 (07:40:22) API: s/again/now
 159 (07:40:28) API: well, this means
 160 (07:40:38) API: that we will likely have this supported on GNOME Shell
 161 (07:40:45) API: but a regression on the fallback mode
 162 (07:40:55) API: the one with a better a11y support
 163 (07:41:35) API: I guess that definitively we need to contact Eitan
 164 (07:41:47) API: at least to know if he is still willing to track this issue
 165 (07:42:15) joanie: API can we task you with that?
 166 (07:42:32) API: you mean contact Eitan?
 167 (07:42:35) joanie: yup
 168 (07:43:41) API: ok, 
 169 (07:43:46) API: yes, I will send a mail to Eitan
 170 (07:43:50) joanie: thanks
 171 (07:44:29) API: next item
 172 (07:44:34) API: VizAudio
 173 (07:44:42) API: I guess that the estate
 174 (07:44:44) API: ups
 175 (07:44:46) API: state
 176 (07:44:47) API: is the same
 177 (07:44:52) joanie: hold on
 178 (07:45:17) joanie: ViZAudio is not in GNOME 2.x now, right?
 179 (07:45:28) API: no?
 180 (07:45:35) API: well, I supposed that yes
 181 (07:45:40) API: we always were talking about it
 182 (07:45:40) joanie: Notes: VizAudio was done as an HFOSS project. It currently provides a visual-only back end for libcanberra because libcanberra did not (and may still not) support more than one backend in place at any given time. Some TLC needs to be given to VizAudio.
 183 (07:45:51) API: when I arrived here it was listed here
 184 (07:46:03) joanie: Yeah, I don't mean you should have changed it
 185 (07:46:09) API: btw, TLC?
 186 (07:46:16) joanie: I mean now that we're looking on it, it belongs on that new page
 187 (07:46:19) joanie: tender loving care
 188 (07:46:47) joanie: Or the learning channel
 189 (07:46:50) joanie: :-P
 190 (07:47:04) API: or the hip hop ground band
 191 (07:47:05) API: ok
 192 (07:47:13) API: I think that you are right
 193 (07:47:21) joanie: conclusion: Joanie moves this to the new page?
 194 (07:47:25) API: we should move it to the other page
 195 (07:47:26) API: aha
 196 (07:47:43) API: and update the status
 197 (07:47:54) joanie: I don't know the status
 198 (07:48:03) joanie: I think the status is nothing has changed.
 199 (07:48:14) API: just one line status with "nothing happened" would be enough
 200 (07:48:22) joanie: I can totally do that. ;-)
 201 (07:48:29) API: yes, but I think that it is not worth to say that three times
 202 (07:48:47) joanie: I can change the date and just say it once
 203 (07:48:56) API: well, next point is GNOME Shell
 204 (07:49:12) API: as I said I will update that after update my last patches
 205 (07:49:14) API: although for example
 206 (07:49:26) API: keyboard navigation risk should be put in green
 207 (07:49:33) API: as gnome SHELL
 208 (07:49:34) API: ups
 209 (07:49:38) API: GNOME shell
 210 (07:49:45) API: has keyboard navigation support
 211 (07:49:54) API: so there are just some views not using that yet
 212 (07:50:06) API: so I think that a low risk fits here
 213 (07:50:46) API: so conclusion: I will update all GNOME Shell items soon
 214 (07:51:02) API: next item
 215 (07:51:04) API: "New" GTK+ Widgets
 216 (07:51:20) joanie: I think we should add the new treeview here btw
 217 (07:51:24) API: I think that we could also include "GTK treeview revamp" here
 218 (07:51:26) joanie: it's not a new widget 
 219 (07:51:27) joanie: lol
 220 (07:51:33) joanie: we share one brain
 221 (07:51:54) API: :P
 222 (07:51:58) API: li
 223 (07:52:03) API: the status is still the same?
 224 (07:52:12) API: "NO PLANS, NO RESOURCES" ?
 225 (07:52:37) li: I am re-reading the mails
 226 (07:52:58) joanie: which mails?
 227 (07:53:11) li: seems I said I can implement the atkhypertext
 228 (07:53:13) API: joanie, that point includes a link
 229 (07:53:18) li: mails about the new widgets
 230 (07:53:19) API: that link goes to a mail
 231 (07:53:23) joanie: ah
 232 (07:53:49) API: well, it is a almost two years old mail ..
 233 (07:53:55) li: so this is a job which gail maintainer should do, which is me :)
 234 (07:54:04) API: well, as we don't have too much time
 235 (07:54:14) API: li, could you take a lookk to this point
 236 (07:54:23) API: and update the information on the wiki
 237 (07:54:27) API: if possible
 238 (07:54:28) API: soon
 239 (07:54:47) li: yes, i can review the new widget and make a plan
 240 (07:54:48) API: just write the status and something similar to a plan
 241 (07:54:59) API: ok, thanks
 242 (07:55:08) API: next point
 243 (07:55:09) API: gnome-panel
 244 (07:55:13) API: well, as we said that
 245 (07:55:14) li: but need time to work on it
 246 (07:55:24) API: well li, at this point 
 247 (07:55:26) API: it is just
 248 (07:55:29) API: update the section
 249 (07:55:30) API: I mean
 250 (07:55:34) API: know the current status
 251 (07:55:48) API: "need time to work on it"
 252 (07:55:54) API: is something that you can write there
 253 (07:56:36) API: well, next item
 254 (07:56:38) API: gnome-panel
 255 (07:56:41) API: as we said before
 256 (07:56:51) API: our main fear
 257 (07:56:58) API: was related with the applets
 258 (07:57:04) API: but
 259 (07:57:09) API: as applets will not be supported
 260 (07:57:30) API: I guess that means that there isn't anything to do here
 261 (07:57:37) API: just mark it as "regression"
 262 (07:57:41) joanie: I think this goes into that fourth category and/or removed
 263 (07:57:57) joanie: btw, the fourth category is called 'regression'?
 264 (07:58:38) API: not sure, we can decide that later
 265 (07:58:48) API: next items
 266 (07:59:03) API: are at-spi2 related
 267 (07:59:07) API: at-spi2-registryd 
 268 (07:59:12) API: pyatspi2 
 269 (07:59:18) API: accessibility bus 
 270 (07:59:24) API: atk-bridge
 271 (07:59:42) API: mgorse, you already did your homework
 272 (07:59:44) API: and updated that
 273 (07:59:48) API: but just one question
 274 (07:59:56) API: current risk
 275 (08:00:02) API: on those items are medium
 276 (08:00:09) API: you still think that?
 277 (08:00:19) API: I mean that you were revamping a lot of thing here
 278 (08:00:27) API: not sure if the risk changed
 279 (08:00:37) mgorse: They were all high originally; I lowered things to medium except for CSPI
 280 (08:01:00) mgorse: It all could still use some more testing
 281 (08:01:25) API: aha, btw
 282 (08:01:31) API: not directly but related
 283 (08:01:45) API: do you know distributions plans for at-spi2/at-spi on the next cycle?
 284 (08:01:58) API: AFAIK, Ubuntu will still use at-spi
 285 (08:02:06) API: do you know something about other distributions?
 286 (08:02:51) mgorse: I don't know off-hand. I'm guessing Fedora will use at-spi2, since mclasen was working on packaging it, but I'm not positive
 287 (08:03:29) API: ok, lets add an action "ask distributions"
 288 (08:03:32) API: sorry for the offtopic
 289 (08:03:33) mgorse: OpenSUSE might be defaulting to AT-SPI2, but the next release isn't going to ship GNOME 3, so I don't know if that makes sense, and I need to check in any case
 290 (08:03:57) API: ok, thanks
 291 (08:04:08) API: well, we are officially out of time
 292 (08:04:29) API: so I will to focus on some specific items
 293 (08:04:35) API: Accerciser
 294 (08:04:52) API: Status: 28-Oct-2010: Brian lowered the risk to medium based on better understanding of the required changes and information from people who are running with DBUS
 295 (08:05:28) API: but the fact is that seems that Brian is too busy to test it with GNOME 3 stack
 296 (08:05:48) API: last days several people found issues using that on GNOME 3
 297 (08:06:10) API: so I would add a action : "ask brian if it makes sense to increase the risk"
 298 (08:06:21) API: Dasher
 299 (08:06:42) API: action: sent a personal mail to patrick to update that section
 300 (08:06:51) API: Caribou
 301 (08:06:56) API: action: the same
 302 (08:07:03) API: (but to Eitan)
 303 (08:07:05) joanie: for clarification
 304 (08:07:08) joanie: send or sent?
 305 (08:07:11) API: ups
 306 (08:07:12) API: sorry
 307 (08:07:14) API: yes
 308 (08:07:18) API: send
 309 (08:07:21) joanie: thanks
 310 (08:07:23) API: we still need to do that
 311 (08:07:24) ***joanie is writing minutes
 312 (08:07:34) API: other clarification is that in the case of Caribou
 313 (08:07:48) API: it seems that Heidi students will no longer work on that
 314 (08:07:52) API: not sure why
 315 (08:08:03) API: but that means less people working on Caribou
 316 (08:08:08) joanie: Based on my email or based on something else?
 317 (08:08:28) API: joanie, on your email
 318 (08:08:38) joanie: and I just chatted with one student
 319 (08:08:52) aleiva: what's the problem? lack of direction?
 320 (08:08:57) joanie: perhaps we should touch base with Heidi
 321 (08:09:07) joanie: aleiva: yeah
 322 (08:09:14) joanie: and follow through
 323 (08:09:23) joanie: and being around
 324 (08:09:41) joanie: aleiva: next cycle (not this one) I'd like to take some of Heidi's students
 325 (08:09:49) joanie: we just can't deal with it this cycle IMHO
 326 (08:09:50) API: ah ok, I misundestood you, sorry
 327 (08:10:04) API: joanie, take some to Orca?
 328 (08:10:05) joanie: API well, your impression is my impression
 329 (08:10:12) joanie: but we do not know this from Heidi
 330 (08:10:17) joanie: yes re Orca
 331 (08:10:22) joanie: but for after GNOME 3
 332 (08:10:38) joanie: Now that we have aleiva, I think I could do some mentoring with aleiva backing me up
 333 (08:10:51) joanie: when needed on technical/architectural decisions
 334 (08:11:00) joanie: I'm used to having grad students (day job)
 335 (08:11:08) joanie: undergrads are less snarky 
 336 (08:11:09) joanie: ;-)
 337 (08:11:33) joanie: my point is, I'll do outreachy studenty stuff with that college
 338 (08:11:38) aleiva: seems good to me, it's a pity to lose that manpower and future contributors
 339 (08:11:39) joanie: after we survive gnome 3
 340 (08:11:47) joanie: aleiva: we're not going to lose them
 341 (08:11:53) joanie: we (Orca) are going to gain them
 342 (08:11:54) joanie: ;-)
 343 (08:12:11) joanie: in the meantime, I think OCRFeeder might be an interesting possibility for them to work on
 344 (08:12:11) aleiva: well, I was talking about the current situation not the future situation, anyway moving on :-)
 345 (08:12:28) API: ok, 12 minutes over time
 346 (08:12:35) API: lets go back to the GNOME 3 review
 347 (08:12:40) joanie: sorry
 348 (08:13:02) API: np, I was the one that mentioned that offtopic
 349 (08:13:09) API: gnome-mag GNOME Shell Magnification
 350 (08:13:17) API: joanie, any update
 351 (08:13:26) API: (as fer and clown are not here ...)
 352 (08:13:30) joanie: I thought Joseph updated the latter
 353 (08:13:56) joanie: determining what happens with gnome-mag is still something we need to sort out
 354 (08:14:05) joanie: it's only for fallback mode
 355 (08:14:15) API: ah true
 356 (08:14:16) joanie: and I'm trying to figure out what is going on downstream
 357 (08:14:25) API: ok, so action
 358 (08:14:33) API: send a mail to Fer Herrera about gnome-mag
 359 (08:14:46) API: pointing him joseph update
 360 (08:14:58) joanie: I'll take that one if you take Caribou and Dasher
 361 (08:15:02) API: ok, thanks
 362 (08:15:06) API: nex item
 363 (08:15:07) API: orca
 364 (08:15:15) API: joanie, well you already did your homework
 365 (08:15:43) API: 15 minutes over time, I will simplify
 366 (08:15:48) API: gdm
 367 (08:15:56) API: anyone knows the status of this for GNOME 3?
 368 (08:16:17) joanie: only that Orca users are starting to ask about it
 369 (08:17:57) API: ask like "hey, why gdm doesn't work at all?" or ask like "what about gdm?"?
 370 (08:18:11) joanie: half way in between if I recall correctly :-)
 371 (08:18:22) joanie: I think something wasn't working right, and they wanted info/docs
 372 (08:19:03) API: well, so I guess that the action will be
 373 (08:19:10) API: contact some of the key contact
 374 (08:19:22) API: probably Brian Cameron is a good candidate
 375 (08:19:25) API: as he has a11y experience
 376 (08:21:14) API: next item
 377 (08:21:17) API: evince
 378 (08:21:30) API: danigm also did his homework
 379 (08:21:36) API: hmm
 380 (08:21:53) danigm: there's some patchs waiting for revision/aproval
 381 (08:21:57) API: danigm, it would be possible a more abstract description of the state?
 382 (08:22:12) API: I mean, bug numbers are good
 383 (08:22:20) API: but requires to check bugzilla
 384 (08:22:35) API: would be possible a brief description of the current state and next steps?
 385 (08:22:45) danigm: ok, I'll change that
 386 (08:22:46) API: something like "this is working, this not" ?
 387 (08:22:55) API: well, you don't need to change it
 388 (08:23:02) API: other sections also have bug numbers
 389 (08:23:10) API: just extra information
 390 (08:23:45) danigm: ok
 391 (08:23:52) API: danigm, ok thanks
 392 (08:24:00) API: well, last medium risk item
 393 (08:24:01) API: ldtp
 394 (08:24:06) API: I guess that the status is the same
 395 (08:24:49) API: well, 25 over time
 396 (08:25:00) API: and just low risk items here
 397 (08:25:06) API: so I vote for conclude the review
 398 (08:25:12) aleiva: o/ +1
 399 (08:25:14) joanie: +1
 400 (08:25:17) API: and just open miscellaneous time
 401 (08:25:22) joanie: \o
 402 (08:25:32) API: just in case someone wants to say something quick and important
 403 (08:25:38) joanie: miscellaneous: Q$s are techically already overdue
 404 (08:25:41) joanie: write 'em
 405 (08:25:45) joanie: (done)
 406 (08:26:04) API: Q$?
 407 (08:26:10) API: ah
 408 (08:26:12) API: Q4
 409 (08:26:31) API: ok, yes, remember that msanchez already started the page
 410 (08:26:36) joanie: yay!
 411 (08:26:43) API: http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/QuarterlyReports/2010/Q4
 412 (08:26:47) API: fill it please
 413 (08:26:57) API: well, 
 414 (08:27:02) API: so meeting over!!
 415 (08:27:06) API: thanks for your presence
 416 (08:27:13) API: sorry for that extra 25 minutes
 417 (08:27:13) aleiva: thanks guys!
 418 (08:27:15) joanie: thanks for chairing
 419 (08:27:22) API: and sorry for the rush-mode for the minutes
 420 (08:27:28) API: for the meeting I mean
 421 (08:27:28) li: thanks everyone