1 Aug 19 09:01:49 *	Now talking on #a11y
   2 Aug 19 09:03:41 *	joanie waves to API
   3 Aug 19 09:07:54 *	API just giving some peace before the storm
   4 Aug 19 09:08:09 <API>	well, about 5 minutes over the 
   5 Aug 19 09:08:12 *	joanie looks for her umbrella
   6 Aug 19 09:08:15 <API>	time
   7 Aug 19 09:08:29 <API>	so I guess that we can  start the meeting
   8 Aug 19 09:09:40 *	API opening minutes, some issue with the web connection
   9 Aug 19 09:09:50 <aleiva>	o/
  10 Aug 19 09:10:07 <API>	well, I was interchanging some mail with German Poo
  11 Aug 19 09:10:12 <API>	during this week
  12 Aug 19 09:10:34 *	API German Poo on the travel comitte
  13 Aug 19 09:10:51 <API>	about the list of people going to AEGIS
  14 Aug 19 09:11:19 <API>	German had some hardware problems with his laptop
  15 Aug 19 09:11:25 <API>	so it was slow
  16 Aug 19 09:11:40 <API>	the communication
  17 Aug 19 09:12:04 <API>	he will sent the list 
  18 Aug 19 09:12:17 <API>	today or tomorrow
  19 Aug 19 09:12:51 <joanie>	API list of what *exactly*? approved people and approved for amounts? Or something else?
  20 Aug 19 09:14:10 <API>	people that applied for the travel committe form
  21 Aug 19 09:14:16 <API>	willing to go to AEGIS
  22 Aug 19 09:14:53 <API>	so we could make the budget estimation that foundation asked for
  23 Aug 19 09:15:12 <joanie>	okay. Thanks.
  24 Aug 19 09:16:41 <API>	and now, about the hotel
  25 Aug 19 09:17:06 <joanie>	API aleiva has to go to another meeting but is texting me now. just a sec
  26 Aug 19 09:17:15 <API>	ah ok
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  28 Aug 19 09:18:06 <joanie>	API: this is more detailed than I expected. Let's move on and then come back to the hotel
  29 Aug 19 09:19:18 <API>	ok
  30 Aug 19 09:20:09 *	API checking agenda
  31 Aug 19 09:20:16 <API>	ok, alternative funding ideas
  32 Aug 19 09:20:23 <API>	Bryen, any update about that?
  33 Aug 19 09:26:17 <API>	well, it seems that Bryen is just connected
  34 Aug 19 09:26:23 <API>	but afk
  35 Aug 19 09:26:38 <API>	Posters
  36 Aug 19 09:26:50 <API>	in my personal case I still need to update my 
  37 Aug 19 09:26:56 <API>	paper
  38 Aug 19 09:27:06 <API>	but I think that I will not write the poster
  39 Aug 19 09:27:07 <joanie>	API you were going to send me what you had from the organizers?
  40 Aug 19 09:27:15 <API>	as it mostly would overlap
  41 Aug 19 09:27:25 <API>	the gnome-a11y poster
  42 Aug 19 09:27:38 <API>	joanie, you mean my current paper and the corrections?
  43 Aug 19 09:27:57 <joanie>	No, though I'd be happy to look at that
  44 Aug 19 09:28:07 <joanie>	I thought you had mentioned last week you had some guidelines
  45 Aug 19 09:28:11 <API>	ah
  46 Aug 19 09:28:13 <joanie>	about poster format and content etc.
  47 Aug 19 09:28:13 <API>	yeah
  48 Aug 19 09:28:22 *	API searching the link
  49 Aug 19 09:28:27 <joanie>	I've not started the Orca poster yet. Guess I should soon
  50 Aug 19 09:28:29 <joanie>	thanks
  51 Aug 19 09:28:41 <API>	http://www.aegis-conference.eu/pages/posters.html
  52 Aug 19 09:28:52 <joanie>	oh heh
  53 Aug 19 09:29:00 <joanie>	I thought it was something you got via email
  54 Aug 19 09:29:02 <joanie>	my bad
  55 Aug 19 09:29:03 <joanie>	thanks!
  56 Aug 19 09:29:15 <API>	yes, I receive a mail saying
  57 Aug 19 09:29:24 <API>	please write a poster
  58 Aug 19 09:29:28 <API>	guidelines on this link
  59 Aug 19 09:29:28 <API>	;)
  60 Aug 19 09:29:32 <joanie>	:-P
  61 Aug 19 09:32:21 <API>	we also have the testing session details item
  62 Aug 19 09:32:38 <joanie>	yeah, and I was hoping to have an update from Peter or Brian
  63 Aug 19 09:32:41 <joanie>	which I don't
  64 Aug 19 09:32:41 <API>	last new is that probably Brian Nitz or some people interested
  65 Aug 19 09:32:51 <joanie>	So I have just jotted down a note to ping Peter again
  66 Aug 19 09:32:55 <API>	wouldn't be phisically on Seville
  67 Aug 19 09:33:08 <joanie>	really?
  68 Aug 19 09:33:13 <joanie>	I think Brian is coming
  69 Aug 19 09:34:04 <API>	hmm
  70 Aug 19 09:34:11 <joanie>	API, glancing over the email Peter sent about enabling remote access....
  71 Aug 19 09:34:22 <API>	yes, I was talking about that
  72 Aug 19 09:34:24 <joanie>	He says, " Also at CSUN we had a number of folks (like Brian) attending remotely. "
  73 Aug 19 09:34:32 <joanie>	Brian was on the phone from Ireland last time
  74 Aug 19 09:34:43 <joanie>	to my knowledge he will be physically present at AEGIS
  75 Aug 19 09:34:55 <API>	ah ok
  76 Aug 19 09:34:57 <API>	yes
  77 Aug 19 09:35:05 <joanie>	I think Peter was asking in terms of other people who might wish to be there
  78 Aug 19 09:35:31 <API>	yes, you are right, he mentioned that and used Brian CSUN example
  79 Aug 19 09:35:35 <API>	thanks
  80 Aug 19 09:35:41 <API>	I mixed things
  81 Aug 19 09:35:45 <API>	so
  82 Aug 19 09:36:05 <API>	the question is that there we are thinking
  83 Aug 19 09:36:07 *	Bryen overslept but is here now
  84 Aug 19 09:36:15 <API>	on enable remote access
  85 Aug 19 09:36:22 <API>	for the people interested
  86 Aug 19 09:36:27 <API>	in some of the meeting
  87 Aug 19 09:36:32 <API>	ie: testing one
  88 Aug 19 09:36:42 <joanie>	API if you'll recall how CSUN went....
  89 Aug 19 09:36:56 <joanie>	I think we spent at least 1/3 of the time dealing with remote access issues
  90 Aug 19 09:37:07 <joanie>	getting it working, please repeat the question, I didn't hear that
  91 Aug 19 09:37:08 <joanie>	etc.
  92 Aug 19 09:37:47 <joanie>	What I personally think we need to walk away from that session with is a concrete plan which we all can actually implement on returning home
  93 Aug 19 09:38:04 <joanie>	I think the time for talking about testing has long since expired
  94 Aug 19 09:38:10 <joanie>	we need to get sh*t done
  95 Aug 19 09:38:30 <API>	well, other of the reasons for the testing item on agenda
  96 Aug 19 09:38:33 <joanie>	and I think that the key people who will be implementing such solutions will be at AEGIS
  97 Aug 19 09:38:39 <API>	was being updated
  98 Aug 19 09:38:44 <API>	of what had beed done
  99 Aug 19 09:38:55 <joanie>	you don't need live access for that
 100 Aug 19 09:39:10 <joanie>	a report on what has been done is a report; not a discussion topic IMHO
 101 Aug 19 09:39:25 <joanie>	and this is, of course, just my opinion
 102 Aug 19 09:39:36 <API>	yeah, I understand
 103 Aug 19 09:39:36 <joanie>	I'm not morally opposed to remote attendees
 104 Aug 19 09:39:41 <joanie>	I just see it as a distraction
 105 Aug 19 09:39:45 <joanie>	and sucker-upper of time
 106 Aug 19 09:39:48 <API>	the issue here, is if there are a lot of people interested on that
 107 Aug 19 09:43:05 <API>	so for the next week, we could check the people interested in this kind of remote support
 108 Aug 19 09:43:29 <joanie>	perhaps you could ask on the gnome-a11y-list??
 109 Aug 19 09:45:13 <API>	yeah, it should be the best idea
 110 Aug 19 09:45:20 <API>	moving
 111 Aug 19 09:45:35 <API>	Bryen, sorry
 112 Aug 19 09:45:45 <API>	we were just on the middle of the topic
 113 Aug 19 09:45:51 <API>	if you didn't got sleep
 114 Aug 19 09:46:06 <API>	would you like to add something to the answer I made before?
 115 Aug 19 09:46:45 <API>	<API> ok, alternative funding ideas
 116 Aug 19 09:46:45 <API>	<API> Bryen, any update about that?
 117 Aug 19 09:48:05 <Bryen>	API,   No word back yet from the one that is currently in circulation internally within that organization., but still some promise
 118 Aug 19 09:48:22 <Bryen>	For other two, no luck at all.  No funds left in the FY for that
 119 Aug 19 09:48:32 <Bryen>	and the final one,  no word back yet.
 120 Aug 19 09:49:02 <Bryen>	And until I hear either way from anyone else, there won't be any further updates on this.
 121 Aug 19 09:49:28 <API>	Bryen, ok thanks
 122 Aug 19 09:50:02 <API>	joanie, can we go back to the hotel stuff?
 123 Aug 19 09:50:11 <joanie>	sure
 124 Aug 19 09:50:18 <joanie>	I don't think aleiva is back
 125 Aug 19 09:50:23 *	joanie kicks aleiva just in case
 126 Aug 19 09:50:27 <Bryen>	But as always, I will always be on the lookout for funding opportunitites, as there will be continued need for it throughout the year on various initiatives.
 127 Aug 19 09:51:19 <joanie>	API so the hotel is tryp macarena
 128 Aug 19 09:51:40 <joanie>	which is the one AEGIS recommended as well
 129 Aug 19 09:51:51 <joanie>	I think Peter's been staying there
 130 Aug 19 09:51:53 <Bryen>	Do we have to learn (or remember) how to do the macarena first before using that hotel?
 131 Aug 19 09:51:54 <joanie>	anyhoo
 132 Aug 19 09:52:28 <joanie>	It sounds like the woman Ale spoke with can get us a group discount but wants 10 people to do so
 133 Aug 19 09:52:37 <joanie>	and the discount would be 15%
 134 Aug 19 09:52:58 <joanie>	The one potential snag Ale mentioned is that they are all booked up on the 9th
 135 Aug 19 09:53:08 <joanie>	but I don't think that's a snag since that's the last day
 136 Aug 19 09:53:18 <joanie>	and I'm guessing most people will fly out on the 9th anyway
 137 Aug 19 09:53:27 <joanie>	(It's a snag for me, but I'll figure something out)
 138 Aug 19 09:53:41 <API>	so that mean that choosing that hotel
 139 Aug 19 09:53:48 <API>	we should "forget"
 140 Aug 19 09:53:52 <API>	this day
 141 Aug 19 09:54:11 <API>	although it was set as "wrap-up" day
 142 Aug 19 09:54:17 <joanie>	right
 143 Aug 19 09:54:21 <joanie>	but....
 144 Aug 19 09:54:41 <joanie>	At least in the states, "booked up on the 9th" would mean we'd have to check out on the 9th
 145 Aug 19 09:54:46 <joanie>	at whatever check-out time is
 146 Aug 19 09:55:00 <joanie>	people flying out on the 9th would be checking out on the 9th
 147 Aug 19 09:55:17 <Bryen>	you would be hard-pressed to be able to attend wrap up and fly out of Europe on the same day, at least to the U.S.
 148 Aug 19 09:55:26 <joanie>	really?
 149 Aug 19 09:55:28 <joanie>	okay
 150 Aug 19 09:55:32 <joanie>	so then I don't know what the plan is
 151 Aug 19 09:55:33 <Bryen>	Typically, when leaving Europe, you need to be on a flight around noonish
 152 Aug 19 09:56:01 <Bryen>	and since SVQ isn't a direct airport, you'd be leaving earlier   :-)
 153 Aug 19 09:56:04 <joanie>	Bryen: API: perhaps then we wrap up for people who can wrap up, but make sure that anything important gets said and done by the 8th
 154 Aug 19 09:56:42 <Bryen>	as I recall, we ended up with our wrapup the day before the end at CSUN too as too many people were leaving that Saturday
 155 Aug 19 09:56:53 <Bryen>	So, it's do-able and did-able  :-)
 156 Aug 19 09:56:59 <joanie>	Bryen: awesome
 157 Aug 19 09:57:03 *	aleiva back
 158 Aug 19 09:57:09 <API>	joanie, Bryen ok
 159 Aug 19 09:57:11 <joanie>	aleiva: I gave most of your report
 160 Aug 19 09:57:19 <joanie>	But one thing I didn't quite get
 161 Aug 19 09:57:20 <API>	so I think that "remove that day"
 162 Aug 19 09:57:24 *	aleiva reading buffer
 163 Aug 19 09:57:27 <API>	worths if we got that pricee
 164 Aug 19 09:57:37 <API>	aleiva reads the last part please
 165 Aug 19 09:57:37 <joanie>	(03:16:56 AM) Alejandro Leiva: I can send an email for a price
 166 Aug 19 09:57:38 <joanie>	(03:17:01 AM) Alejandro Leiva: With group discount
 167 Aug 19 09:57:38 <joanie>	(03:17:20 AM) Alejandro Leiva: Or choose a pre booking
 168 Aug 19 09:57:41 <API>	is about the hotel
 169 Aug 19 09:58:17 <aleiva>	ok
 170 Aug 19 09:58:17 <Bryen>	so 15% off of 70 Euros?
 171 Aug 19 09:58:28 <aleiva>	Bryen: yup, but pre-paying
 172 Aug 19 09:58:59 <aleiva>	Bryen: other option is (when we know exactly how many people will go to the hotel) send an email and she will make an offer
 173 Aug 19 09:59:04 <Bryen>	Just hurry up and book it before the Euro goes up again  :-)
 174 Aug 19 09:59:11 <aleiva>	I tell her that we're a foundation and a group
 175 Aug 19 09:59:21 <tomeu>	Bryen: you should be able to get to madrid in 40 mins by train
 176 Aug 19 09:59:28 <li>	hi guys
 177 Aug 19 09:59:34 <joanie>	hey li!!
 178 Aug 19 09:59:37 <aleiva>	she's interested in get a ten person booking
 179 Aug 19 09:59:45 <li>	I can't believe I missed the meeting again!
 180 Aug 19 09:59:49 <Bryen>	aleiva,   don't let on to that person that this is the only hotel you're talking with.   :-)
 181 Aug 19 09:59:50 <li>	it used to be 2 pm here
 182 Aug 19 09:59:56 <aleiva>	API: do you know exactly how many people will go to the hotel?
 183 Aug 19 09:59:59 <aleiva>	Bryen: of course
 184 Aug 19 10:00:15 <joanie>	Bryen: are you bringing two interpreters?
 185 Aug 19 10:00:25 <API>	aleiva, afaik no people made any book
 186 Aug 19 10:00:34 <API>	so I guess that if we got that price
 187 Aug 19 10:00:34 <Bryen>	tomeu,    Sure.  But depends on what time the train to Madrid leaves and connects to the noonish overseas flight.    All kinds of things to consider   :-)
 188 Aug 19 10:00:37 <li>	did daylight saving end?
 189 Aug 19 10:00:42 <API>	all people 
 190 Aug 19 10:00:45 <joanie>	li no, we moved the meeting
 191 Aug 19 10:00:50 <API>	are candidate to that
 192 Aug 19 10:01:02 <aleiva>	API: around ten?
 193 Aug 19 10:01:08 <API>	aleiva, so this is another reason to get the list poeple from the travel committe
 194 Aug 19 10:01:14 <aleiva>	API: yup
 195 Aug 19 10:01:15 <API>	aleiva, made a estimation using
 196 Aug 19 10:01:16 <li>	joanie, yes, I saw the mail, it is 7 am UTC
 197 Aug 19 10:01:20 <API>	the hackfest page
 198 Aug 19 10:01:23 <Bryen>	joanie,   I have not even gotten ack from board about my request for special consideraiton and I just found out tonight from one of the travel committee members that they did not receive any auth from board to allow this for consideration
 199 Aug 19 10:01:27 <API>	http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/HackfestAEGIS2010
 200 Aug 19 10:01:34 <aleiva>	API: until that I can't send the email with exactly information about the booking
 201 Aug 19 10:01:49 <aleiva>	API: because if we pre-pay it cannot be cancelled
 202 Aug 19 10:01:57 <aleiva>	API: that's why I prefer to hear from her
 203 Aug 19 10:02:17 <API>	aleiva, yeah I know, this is the reason we need a definitive list of people
 204 Aug 19 10:02:35 <aleiva>	API: anyway I'll call to other hotel to have a backup
 205 Aug 19 10:02:46 <API>	aleiva, ok, thanks
 206 Aug 19 10:02:51 <joanie>	thanks aleiva
 207 Aug 19 10:02:53 <aleiva>	API: but I think that tryp macarena is the best choice
 208 Aug 19 10:02:56 <aleiva>	yw
 209 Aug 19 10:03:20 <aleiva>	is near in bus to the venue and is near of the main center town
 210 Aug 19 10:03:22 <joanie>	aleiva: if you'll find me a second-best choice so I'll not be homeless come the 9th ;-)
 211 Aug 19 10:03:30 <aleiva>	10-15 minutes walking or three bus stations
 212 Aug 19 10:03:57 <aleiva>	joanie: probably if we make the booking, and only one or two people left in the hotel from day 9
 213 Aug 19 10:04:07 <aleiva>	joanie: they sure will do space :)
 214 Aug 19 10:04:23 <joanie>	oh? so it's only if there are a bunch of us that it will be filled up?
 215 Aug 19 10:04:23 <Bryen>	yeah,  I'm tentatively planned to leave Sevilla on the 11th
 216 Aug 19 10:05:03 <aleiva>	joanie: no, day 9 is full right now, but she told me that in september first week can confirm that 
 217 Aug 19 10:05:11 <joanie>	okay
 218 Aug 19 10:05:31 <aleiva>	If we do a pre-booking or reservation now the chances grow :)
 219 Aug 19 10:05:33 <joanie>	I also need to figure out when I should book it as I have to pay myself
 220 Aug 19 10:05:41 <aleiva>	(chance to have room from day 9)
 221 Aug 19 10:05:44 <Bryen>	Maybe we can reserve the hotel lobby sofa for those staying on the 9th?
 222 Aug 19 10:05:52 <aleiva>	haha
 223 Aug 19 10:05:56 <aleiva>	Bryen: it's an option
 224 Aug 19 10:06:17 <Bryen>	Not really.   I did that once, but was waaaaay younger and stupider when I did that.
 225 Aug 19 10:06:36 <aleiva>	then
 226 Aug 19 10:06:46 <aleiva>	I wait to API final list
 227 Aug 19 10:06:54 <aleiva>	API: it's ok for you?
 228 Aug 19 10:06:57 <API>	aleiva, I wait to German mail ;)
 229 Aug 19 10:07:04 <aleiva>	API: waiting chain :)
 230 Aug 19 10:07:05 <API>	aleiva, yes thank you very much
 231 Aug 19 10:07:26 <aleiva>	API: yw
 232 Aug 19 10:07:39 <API>	well people
 233 Aug 19 10:07:42 <API>	time is over
 234 Aug 19 10:07:54 <API>	it was somewhat a slow pace meeting
 235 Aug 19 10:08:05 <API>	anyone wants a last-quick
 236 Aug 19 10:08:06 <API>	comment
 237 Aug 19 10:08:11 <API>	before close the meeting?
 238 Aug 19 10:08:31 *	Bryen isn't capable of useful commenting at 3:08 a.m.
 239 Aug 19 10:08:39 <li>	I think mgorse want to talk to me about releasing at-spi?
 240 Aug 19 10:08:53 <li>	from last meeting minutes
 241 Aug 19 10:09:21 <li>	mgorse, are you there?
 242 Aug 19 10:10:02 <Bryen>	ok good night folks
 243 Aug 19 10:10:09 <joanie>	nite Bryen
 244 Aug 19 10:10:09 <li>	OK, maybe I will send him a mail
 245 Aug 19 10:10:20 <li>	good night Bryen!
 246 Aug 19 10:10:37 <joanie>	li: As I recall the problem was with the default value of relocate
 247 Aug 19 10:11:00 <joanie>	which makes sense in a 3.0 world but not necessarily in a 2.32 world
 248 Aug 19 10:11:14 <li>	joanie, I saw that, do we all agree that at-spi corba should be the default for gnome 2.32?
 249 Aug 19 10:11:23 <joanie>	yeah
 250 Aug 19 10:11:35 <joanie>	bonobo deprecation is pushed back to 3.0
 251 Aug 19 10:12:06 <li>	then I can do it at next release time, .91 I think?
 252 Aug 19 10:12:19 <joanie>	makes sense to me
 253 Aug 19 10:12:22 <joanie>	API?
 254 Aug 19 10:12:35 <API>	joanie?
 255 Aug 19 10:12:39 <joanie>	^^^
 256 Aug 19 10:13:36 <API>	you are asking about the next release time?
 257 Aug 19 10:13:46 <li>	I am trying accessibility bus these days, but it still doesn't work
 258 Aug 19 10:14:24 <joanie>	API: do we all agree that at-spi corba should be the default for gnome 2.32 and should li make that change (i.e. default value of relocate) next release (.91)?
 259 Aug 19 10:14:51 <API>	ah, ok
 260 Aug 19 10:15:02 <API>	well, I think that it is the sensible 
 261 Aug 19 10:15:08 <API>	option right now
 262 Aug 19 10:15:12 <API>	I mean
 263 Aug 19 10:15:22 <API>	2.32 would have
 264 Aug 19 10:15:28 <API>	mostly 2.30 stuff
 265 Aug 19 10:15:33 <API>	but "improved"
 266 Aug 19 10:15:39 <API>	bug fixes and so on
 267 Aug 19 10:18:10 <API>	li, joanie something else?
 268 Aug 19 10:18:18 <joanie>	API not from me
 269 Aug 19 10:18:20 <li>	nop
 270 Aug 19 10:21:38 <API>	ok, meeting over guys!
 271 Aug 19 10:21:45 <API>	thanks for your presence
 272 Aug 19 10:22:14 *	WaywardGeek (~WaywardGe@99-32-249-90.uvs.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net) has joined #a11y
 273 Aug 19 10:23:32 <Bryen>	API,   Still here
 274 Aug 19 10:23:52 <API>	Bryen, you want to add something?
 275 Aug 19 10:24:07 <Bryen>	Just an FYI... I've been looking at airfare just now and prices for travel have gone up about 150-200 since I submitted the travel request
 276 Aug 19 10:25:27 <Bryen>	I think I'm going to have to eat some of the cost for the interpreters since its higher than I originally submitted to board for.
 277 Aug 19 10:26:09 <API>	yeah, we need to make the final book asap
 278 Aug 19 10:26:19 <API>	the price would increase with the time
 279 Aug 19 10:26:43 <Bryen>	sometimes it goes down.  I found that waiting to 2 weeks prior once got me a bigger savings overall.  You never know  :-)
 280 Aug 19 10:27:19 <Bryen>	but just to be aware, that whatever final budget the travel committee gives you doesn't include the two interpreters since the board didn't ack my request to allow interpreters to be considered yet.
 281 Aug 19 10:27:31 <API>	Bryen, yeah, but normally it is the opposite ;)
 282 Aug 19 10:28:10 <API>	Bryen, I asked German about that, and this would be mostly like a extra cost in your case
 283 Aug 19 10:28:30 <Bryen>	well its definitely an extra cost  ;-)
 284 Aug 19 10:28:36 <API>	in the same way, I explained that situation on that foundation meeting on GUADEC
 285 Aug 19 10:28:42 <API>	and they understood that
 286 Aug 19 10:28:54 <API>	they are mostly waiting for a final bugdet
 287 Aug 19 10:29:11 <API>	so they probably would decide about it as a whole
 288 Aug 19 10:30:54 <Bryen>	ok well  just so you know  :-)
 289 Aug 19 10:31:01 <Bryen>	I'm going to bed for sure now.
 290 Aug 19 10:32:37 <API>	Bryen, good night