1 (03:01:47 AM) Bryen: API,    Let the games begin .... before me and mgorse and joanie fall asleep
   2 (03:02:32 AM) API: Bryen, yeah, meeting time
   3 (03:02:51 AM) Bryen: too late... zzzzzz  
   4 (03:02:57 AM) Bryen: :-)
   5 (03:03:01 AM) API: well, we can start with our favourite topic...
   6 (03:03:09 AM) API: AEGIS conference
   7 (03:03:23 AM) Bryen: Is that this year?
   8 (03:03:48 AM) API: there aren't too many updates on the page
   9 (03:03:49 AM) API: http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/HackfestAEGIS2010
  10 (03:03:55 AM) API: related to assistance
  11 (03:04:07 AM) API: so I guess that right now we can
  12 (03:04:30 AM) API: say that all interested people requiring sponsorship have already applied
  13 (03:04:47 AM) API: sooo
  14 (03:04:59 AM) API: next step will ask again German Poo 
  15 (03:05:09 AM) API: the list of the people and costs per person
  16 (03:05:19 AM) API: in order to have a final budget
  17 (03:05:33 AM) API: and check if there are something missing
  18 (03:05:50 AM) Bryen: Can you clarify exactly what German's role here is?  He's the travel committee lead?
  19 (03:06:06 AM) API: Bryen, yes he is in the travel committe
  20 (03:06:12 AM) API: I could ask other
  21 (03:06:24 AM) Bryen: ok  just wanted to be clear
  22 (03:06:31 AM) API: but as he already sent me the previous provisional list
  23 (03:06:47 AM) API: he seems to know what we are talking about ;)
  24 (03:07:00 AM) API: well, something else about funding?
  25 (03:07:05 AM) Bryen: And everyone seems supportive so far?
  26 (03:07:49 AM) Bryen: well one letter of sponsorship request is out so far, and I've got another one going out tomorrow morning  (well its tomorrow today now)  and couple more to go out in the next few days
  27 (03:08:22 AM) Bryen: The one I've sent out looks promising.  But would rather not mention names until things are more solid.  
  28 (03:08:58 AM) API: Bryen, when I was on the meeting with foundation, as I already said, they agreed with hackfest, but required a final budget
  29 (03:10:17 AM) Bryen: Which I look very much forward to helping you reduce.  :-)
  30 (03:10:27 AM) API: ok
  31 (03:10:39 AM) API: next AEGIS subtopic
  32 (03:10:51 AM) API: yesterday I have a brief talking with Peter Korn
  33 (03:11:08 AM) API: among other things
  34 (03:11:17 AM) API: he pointed me
  35 (03:11:21 AM) API: http://www.aegis-conference.eu/pages/posters.html
  36 (03:11:46 AM) API: summary: it would be good to have posters on the conference related to a11y apps
  37 (03:11:54 AM) API: he mentioned orca, caribou, et
  38 (03:11:55 AM) API: c
  39 (03:12:28 AM) Bryen: I was inquiring the other day about access to plotter printers for posters by folks in Sevilla, but no luck in that yet
  40 (03:12:40 AM) API: plotter printers?
  41 (03:12:53 AM) API: which person did you inquire?
  42 (03:12:54 AM) Bryen: large sized printers for printing posters
  43 (03:13:02 AM) API: yes I know
  44 (03:13:06 AM) API: I mean 
  45 (03:13:08 AM) API: that AFAIK
  46 (03:13:17 AM) danigm: I think I *can* ask at university
  47 (03:13:20 AM) API: poster printing is already solved by peter korn
  48 (03:13:30 AM) API: although it would be good to confirm
  49 (03:13:33 AM) danigm: for printing
  50 (03:13:36 AM) Bryen: ok
  51 (03:13:42 AM) API: if I pointed out the poster thing
  52 (03:13:45 AM) danigm: but now everyone is on vacation
  53 (03:13:50 AM) Bryen: so again, we're mis-syncing here
  54 (03:13:53 AM) API: is because if you check the poster format
  55 (03:15:13 AM) API: Bryen : http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Minutes/20100715
  56 (03:15:34 AM) API: Peter responded that a booth and poster will not be a problem
  57 (03:15:53 AM) API: although probably that was just for a "place" to put the poster
  58 (03:16:44 AM) danigm is now known as danigm_out
  59 (03:16:57 AM) Bryen: alright, I'll be quiet about it
  60 (03:17:46 AM) API: Bryen, anyway, we need to confirm that to Peter k
  61 (03:17:55 AM) API: but the point
  62 (03:18:00 AM) API: if you read the format
  63 (03:18:15 AM) API: it is this really serious-conference-boring format
  64 (03:18:25 AM) ***joanie snickers
  65 (03:18:31 AM) API: so creating a poster is not just
  66 (03:18:42 AM) API: put the project logo 
  67 (03:18:54 AM) API: and some sentences like "Im cooler than you"
  68 (03:19:17 AM) API: it is a real work to do
  69 (03:19:46 AM) Bryen: yes
  70 (03:20:07 AM) API: joanie, any volunteer to create a Orca poster?
  71 (03:20:25 AM) joanie: Yeah, I assume me
  72 (03:20:32 AM) joanie: I already wrote it down
  73 (03:21:05 AM) API: where?
  74 (03:21:14 AM) joanie: ?
  75 (03:21:19 AM) Bryen: Orca poster or GNOME-A11y poster that covers Orca and other stuff?
  76 (03:21:28 AM) joanie: Bryen: I will do Orca
  77 (03:22:03 AM) API: Bryen, peter korn was thinking more on specific projects
  78 (03:22:15 AM) API: yes there will be gnome-a11y posters
  79 (03:22:22 AM) API: but he also proposed specific ones
  80 (03:22:28 AM) API: as I said before:
  81 (03:22:38 AM) API: <API> he mentioned orca, caribou, et
  82 (03:23:41 AM) API: eeejay, dpellicer any possibility about a caribou poster?
  83 (03:25:02 AM) Bryen: So what is it that you guys want me to do here?
  84 (03:26:47 AM) API: Bryen, I guess that you could write down a GNOME-A11Y poster
  85 (03:27:04 AM) Bryen: that's not my point API 
  86 (03:27:05 AM) API: afaik, there isn't any specific one in the gnome conference box
  87 (03:27:41 AM) API: ok, so in that case we don't need you in anything related to posters ;)
  88 (03:27:44 AM) API: anyway
  89 (03:27:47 AM) API: people
  90 (03:27:57 AM) API: what other posters do you think that would be a good idea
  91 (03:27:58 AM) API: ?
  92 (03:28:01 AM) API: at-spi?
  93 (03:28:09 AM) Bryen: Fine,  then I'm going to bed.
  94 (03:28:27 AM) ***joanie looks
  95 (03:28:39 AM) joanie: API I just noticed it said that they will print the posters for us
  96 (03:29:16 AM) joanie: Nor do I see a deadline
  97 (03:29:16 AM) API: Please submit your posters to aegis@ace-centre.org.uk for approval. We will print your posters for you and bring them to the conference.
  98 (03:29:18 AM) API: yes true
  99 (03:29:19 AM) API: thanks
 100 (03:29:26 AM) API: good catch
 101 (03:29:59 AM) joanie: would you like me to check with peter on mundane details (e.g. deadlines)? Or would you since you're already talking to him?
 102 (03:30:04 AM) API: Bryen, I thought that youre question was *just* about the posters
 103 (03:30:29 AM) API: joanie, no we didn't talk about deadlines
 104 (03:30:59 AM) ***joanie has pen in hand to jot down action items
 105 (03:31:09 AM) joanie: who's gonna find out about the deadline? :-)
 106 (03:31:09 AM) API: anyway, this poster thing was just to inform people
 107 (03:31:19 AM) API: joanie, peter korn
 108 (03:31:27 AM) API: we need to send him a mail or something
 109 (03:31:31 AM) joanie: right....
 110 (03:31:39 AM) joanie: So, I'll email Peter Korn 
 111 (03:31:40 AM) API: <API> anyway, this poster thing was just to inform people
 112 (03:31:52 AM) joanie: (03:29:59 AM) joanie: would you like me to check with peter on mundane details (e.g. deadlines)? Or would you since you're already talking to him?
 113 (03:32:06 AM) API: please, anyone who wants to create a poster about any accessibility thing, feel free to create it
 114 (03:32:38 AM) API: so lets move to other thing
 115 (03:32:59 AM) dpellicer: API, any restrictions?
 116 (03:33:04 AM) dpellicer: about size or something?
 117 (03:33:12 AM) API: dpellicer, check poster format
 118 (03:33:17 AM) API: http://www.aegis-conference.eu/pages/posters.html
 119 (03:33:27 AM) dpellicer: API, ok thx!
 120 (03:33:50 AM) dpellicer: I didn't see it
 121 (03:34:21 AM) API: people, something else about the AEGIS conference?
 122 (03:36:39 AM) API: ok, lets move
 123 (03:36:51 AM) API: joanie, you added to the agenda this item::
 124 (03:36:54 AM) API: "Do we have the testing-related info from Brian Nitz? "
 125 (03:37:00 AM) API: what that mean?
 126 (03:37:25 AM) joanie: It means that Peter was supposed to get us that information for the schedule, goals, detailed session info, etc.
 127 (03:37:28 AM) joanie: I'll poke him
 128 (03:38:46 AM) API: btw
 129 (03:38:52 AM) API: the other day I realized that
 130 (03:38:56 AM) API: about the schedule
 131 (03:39:15 AM) API: 8:00 am in the morning is somewhat early for a conference
 132 (03:39:30 AM) joanie: we can change it
 133 (03:39:42 AM) joanie: I usually don't do 8 AM
 134 (03:40:47 AM) API: ie: GUADEC started 9:30
 135 (03:40:56 AM) joanie: okie dokie
 136 (03:41:06 AM) API: anyway, this is just a detail
 137 (03:41:17 AM) ***API although affects all the schedule
 138 (03:41:43 AM) API: I will do the question again:
 139 (03:41:48 AM) API: <API> people, something else about the AEGIS conference?
 140 (03:44:06 AM) API: ok, no answer nothing else to add
 141 (03:44:14 AM) API: lets move
 142 (03:44:16 AM) joanie: times changed
 143 (03:44:30 AM) API: ?
 144 (03:44:38 AM) joanie: to 9:30
 145 (03:45:07 AM) API: ah ok
 146 (03:45:14 AM) API: thank
 147 (03:45:15 AM) API: s
 148 (03:45:28 AM) API: ok, we have a quarter
 149 (03:45:30 AM) joanie: twas easy. We don't need a 3.0 status update session ;-)
 150 (03:45:43 AM) API: ;)
 151 (03:45:45 AM) API: about that
 152 (03:46:09 AM) API: someone want to bring to the table something before I start with some
 153 (03:46:13 AM) API: gnome 3.0 updates?
 154 (03:46:33 AM) joanie: I'd rather hear your updates regardless of what people bring to the table
 155 (03:47:19 AM) API: well, this week I sent a mail to desktop devel 
 156 (03:47:33 AM) API: as 2.32 will still be a "gnome 2.0"
 157 (03:47:52 AM) API: our precious libbonobo will be still here
 158 (03:48:06 AM) joanie: \o/
 159 (03:48:14 AM) danigm_out is now known as danigm
 160 (03:48:36 AM) joanie: thanks for asking those questions btw
 161 (03:48:40 AM) API: and about all the accessibility gconf keys that are right now on libgnome
 162 (03:49:08 AM) API: there are some plans to create a uber module
 163 (03:49:17 AM) API: with a name like gnome-desktop-schemas
 164 (03:49:29 AM) joanie: modzilla?
 165 (03:49:36 AM) joanie: (sorry. no sleep)
 166 (03:49:37 AM) API: modzilla?
 167 (03:49:41 AM) joanie: uber module
 168 (03:49:43 AM) API: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=600686
 169 (03:49:45 AM) joanie: never mind
 170 (03:49:50 AM) API: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=600686#c3
 171 (03:51:15 AM) joanie: ugh
 172 (03:52:24 AM) API: so most of the accessibility gconf schemas will be moved, eventually there
 173 (03:52:53 AM) API: btw, after my meeting on guadec I also updated gnome-shell section on http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/GNOME3
 174 (03:53:00 AM) API: and thats for my side
 175 (03:53:23 AM) API: joanie, any update from the gs-mag, gnome-mag and orca interaction?
 176 (03:53:30 AM) API: you were talking about it last week
 177 (03:53:39 AM) joanie: I've not heard a peep out of them since
 178 (03:53:47 AM) joanie: I should follow up with them
 179 (03:54:03 AM) joanie: Right now we're focused on upcoming freezes and the Andalucía work
 180 (03:54:12 AM) joanie: (since 3.0 is march)
 181 (03:54:26 AM) joanie: but I've jotted down a note to follow up with clown and fer
 182 (03:55:01 AM) API: well, part of that works involves remove the bonobo thingies
 183 (03:55:12 AM) API: that is also required for 3.0
 184 (03:55:31 AM) API: or you mean that with this new air fresh, you are refocusing in other things?
 185 (03:55:35 AM) joanie: i know.... I'm sorry.... What I meant is that it went on the backburner
 186 (03:55:37 AM) joanie: yeah
 187 (03:55:41 AM) joanie: just for a few weeks
 188 (03:57:18 AM) API: ok
 189 (03:57:44 AM) API: mgorse, just to know, something new from at-spi2 side?
 190 (03:58:24 AM) API: or also a question to joanie 
 191 (03:58:25 AM) mgorse: API: I've mostly been fixing a few hangs lately
 192 (03:58:43 AM) API: mgorse, 
 193 (03:58:44 AM) API: ok
 194 (03:58:47 AM) mgorse: also trying to switch to using direct dbus conections--well, tbsaunde has been working on that some
 195 (03:58:59 AM) API: mario, joanie so anything new about the orca regression tests?
 196 (03:59:19 AM) joanie: Oh yeah API I'm not sure if we caught up on that... (?)
 197 (03:59:24 AM) joanie: we == you and I
 198 (03:59:33 AM) Fudge: im looking forward to the speed increase
 199 (03:59:35 AM) API: ups
 200 (03:59:43 AM) joanie: if I put in clever, random, magical delays
 201 (03:59:48 AM) joanie: i.e. in the tests
 202 (03:59:52 AM) API: ok
 203 (03:59:54 AM) joanie: the "failures" go away
 204 (04:00:01 AM) joanie: which is not the solution, of course
 205 (04:00:07 AM) API: mgorse, a summary of that switch?
 206 (04:00:11 AM) joanie: but it means that we're ultimately getting the right stuff
 207 (04:00:53 AM) mgorse: API: It would mostly bypass dbus-daemon, so, ie, pyatspi could connect directly to an application. Should improve speed some
 208 (04:01:37 AM) mgorse: since, with th edaemon, for a round-trip call, ethod alls need to be sent from the AT, to dbus-daemon, to the app, and the reply gets sent to the daemon and then it routes the message back to the AT
 209 (04:02:58 AM) API: mgorse, ok, thanks for the explanation
 210 (04:03:03 AM) API: well, out of time
 211 (04:03:14 AM) API: anyone wants to add something to the meeting?
 212 (04:05:12 AM) API: ok, meeting over
 213 (04:05:16 AM) API: thanks for your presence