1 (11:03:04 AM) API: meeting time!
   2 (11:03:12 AM) fer: yuhu!
   3 (11:03:15 AM) joanie: Hey
   4 (11:04:03 AM) korn: Hey gang!
   5 (11:04:12 AM) API: korn, good to see you here
   6 (11:04:19 AM) API: I have a question for you
   7 (11:04:32 AM) korn: OK. and I have news as well...
   8 (11:04:39 AM) ***clown waves 'hello'
   9 (11:04:45 AM) API: well, you first or me first?
  10 (11:04:55 AM) korn: Oh, please - you go ahead
  11 (11:05:03 AM) API: ok, it is about CENATIC funding
  12 (11:05:13 AM) API: as fer said some days ago in the channel
  13 (11:05:25 AM) API: we didn't get it, as
  14 (11:05:33 AM) API: they suddenly found two GNOME related proposals
  15 (11:05:39 AM) API: they give that to GUADEC es
  16 (11:05:40 AM) API: anyway
  17 (11:05:44 AM) API: there is another possibility
  18 (11:06:00 AM) API: CENATIC is a organization that promotes free software in spain
  19 (11:06:08 AM) API: they are doing some
  20 (11:06:13 AM) API: a11y related things
  21 (11:06:25 AM) API: on north of spain (Asturias if I remember)
  22 (11:06:39 AM) API: so in order to justify give another fund
  23 (11:06:49 AM) API: would be have a presentation on AEGIS
  24 (11:06:54 AM) API: you know, political reasons
  25 (11:07:06 AM) API: I think that a talk like that
  26 (11:07:07 AM) API: has sense
  27 (11:07:10 AM) API: but not sure
  28 (11:07:34 AM) API: korn, how feasible do you see a talk like that to be accepted?
  29 (11:07:36 AM) korn: Ah. Well, they should contact me directly - please give them my e-mail address if you haven't already. Certainly they can have a booth, and a poster. Adding them to the presentation list is more work.
  30 (11:07:52 AM) API: korn, ok awesome
  31 (11:08:03 AM) korn: Is it the case that, if they get a presentation, they will give the GNOME hackfest money?
  32 (11:08:10 AM) API: I was not sure about it, as hackfest and AEGIS conference are somewhat parallel things
  33 (11:08:27 AM) API: korn, well, as in any political thing, *probably* but not 100% sure
  34 (11:08:46 AM) API: after meeting, I will wrote a presentation mail with jose angel
  35 (11:08:52 AM) korn: OK. In any case, we should do this directly between them & me.
  36 (11:08:53 AM) API: president of GNOME hispano
  37 (11:09:05 AM) API: and currently working as well on CENATIC related things
  38 (11:09:13 AM) ***API fer correct me if Im ok
  39 (11:09:23 AM) ***API I mean wrong
  40 (11:09:30 AM) fer: you are ok
  41 (11:09:32 AM) fer: :)
  42 (11:09:34 AM) API: korn, ok thanks
  43 (11:09:37 AM) API: fer, ok thanks
  44 (11:09:49 AM) API: korn, this was my special question for you
  45 (11:10:03 AM) API: korn, so you can go on with
  46 (11:10:05 AM) API: your news
  47 (11:10:33 AM) fer: for the record, the a11y project CENATIC is working on is somehow related with Dyslexia
  48 (11:10:35 AM) fer: IIRC
  49 (11:10:38 AM) korn: My news is: http://www.aegis-conference.eu/
  50 (11:10:46 AM) korn: The conference page is now live.
  51 (11:11:04 AM) ***clown congratulates korn
  52 (11:11:25 AM) API: very good shape
  53 (11:11:26 AM) API: hmm
  54 (11:11:37 AM) API: clown, in the end you are not going to coming here?
  55 (11:11:40 AM) API: on the magnifier
  56 (11:11:41 AM) korn: You will note that the hackfest reference page is a little thin... (http://www.aegis-conference.eu/pages/hackfest.html)
  57 (11:11:44 AM) API: it appears Jan Richards
  58 (11:12:16 AM) clown: API, what about Jan Richards (he's sitting about 3 metres away from me).
  59 (11:12:19 AM) clown: ?
  60 (11:12:24 AM) korn: So one of the things I would like to do is get that fixed soon.
  61 (11:12:38 AM) API: clown, I mean that I though that you would be the one doing the talk
  62 (11:12:47 AM) API: korn, "Details to be announced." ;)
  63 (11:13:14 AM) clown: API, depends on funding. Word from above is: if I can get funding from Gnome Foundation, then I will go and give the talk
  64 (11:14:04 AM) clown: I believe Jan is committed to going regardless. So, if I don't go, he gets to give all of the talks.
  65 (11:14:12 AM) clown: lucky him!
  66 (11:14:22 AM) korn: clown - OK, good. We need Jan there for other (nefarious) purposes.
  67 (11:14:45 AM) korn: Still, I also hope we see you there!
  68 (11:14:58 AM) clown: korn, what about benign purposes? (never mind me ...)
  69 (11:15:13 AM) korn: Oh, benign for you, nefarious for Jan :-)
  70 (11:15:15 AM) API: clown, ok thanks
  71 (11:15:19 AM) API: korn, anything else?
  72 (11:15:20 AM) clown: API, wlcm
  73 (11:15:44 AM) korn: Well... Just that I would like to get the hackfest page on the AEGIS conf. website filled in.
  74 (11:15:59 AM) korn: That means we need to settle on what days the hackfest will happen. Is that done yet?
  75 (11:16:13 AM) joanie: I thought we had done that
  76 (11:16:22 AM) korn: Oh, cool.
  77 (11:16:24 AM) joanie: Is the schedule on the wiki not sufficient?
  78 (11:16:29 AM) davidb: korn!
  79 (11:16:34 AM) ***davidb waves
  80 (11:16:37 AM) korn: davidb!
  81 (11:16:48 AM) davidb: sorry to interrupt. carry on :)
  82 (11:17:01 AM) joanie: we also need to know about rooms, etc.
  83 (11:17:10 AM) joanie: HOWEVER, what we really really need to talk about is funding
  84 (11:17:27 AM) korn: joanie: yes, the schedule is sufficient.
  85 (11:17:31 AM) joanie: therefore, I propose that we table the current discussion until after we've addressed the topic for today's meeting
  86 (11:17:44 AM) clown: second that
  87 (11:18:34 AM) API: people, take a look to current "draft agenda"
  88 (11:18:39 AM) API: http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Minutes/20100708#Agenda_for_the_next_meeting
  89 (11:19:24 AM) API: first, people that wants
  90 (11:19:32 AM) API: funding from foundation
  91 (11:19:36 AM) API: to travel
  92 (11:19:39 AM) API: should start to use
  93 (11:19:46 AM) API: instructions here
  94 (11:19:48 AM) API: http://live.gnome.org/Travel.
  95 (11:22:14 AM) API: we don't know exactly how much we have from foundation, but it is good to start to coordinate it
  96 (11:22:14 AM) fer: so, what options are we considering for funding? Only GNOME Foundation and CENATIC?
  97 (11:22:44 AM) joanie: fer look at the agenda API linked to
  98 (11:22:52 AM) joanie: under "Other Possibilities"
  99 (11:22:55 AM) API: btw, about travel
 100 (11:23:18 AM) API: probably it would be good too add a column "roommate" like CSUN hackfest
 101 (11:23:59 AM) joanie: API actually, for GNOME funding, I believe tradition is if you want sponsorship, you will have a roommate
 102 (11:24:12 AM) fer: joanie: I would add there: "Trying to get some funds from companies working on GNOME a11y", although I don't know how realistic is that
 103 (11:24:27 AM) API: joanie, ok
 104 (11:24:29 AM) joanie: so perhaps people should just plan on getting a roommate
 105 (11:24:39 AM) joanie: and work it out amongst themselves
 106 (11:25:09 AM) joanie: When I went to CSUN (as the ONLY woman, and thus roommateless), I had to pick up the other half of the room myself
 107 (11:25:38 AM) clown: joanie, that's a crim
 108 (11:25:39 AM) clown: e
 109 (11:25:45 AM) API: fer, well most of the companies working on GNOME a11y are already on AdBoard
 110 (11:25:49 AM) joanie: (I don't do roomies anyway, so it's a non issue)
 111 (11:26:08 AM) fer: API: Yaco, Emergya and my company are not :)
 112 (11:26:34 AM) ***API this is the reason I said most, not all :P
 113 (11:26:43 AM) API: fer, but ok
 114 (11:26:47 AM) joanie: fer: Since Emergya has taken a significant role on the Orca team, I'm already working with those guys
 115 (11:26:52 AM) joanie: (re funding other stuff)
 116 (11:26:56 AM) joanie: if you could approach your company
 117 (11:27:05 AM) joanie: and someone approach Yaco....
 118 (11:27:09 AM) joanie: that would be great
 119 (11:28:46 AM) fer: well, I could approach myself :)
 120 (11:28:49 AM) API: ok, other issue would be how interact with AdBoard
 121 (11:29:14 AM) API: Brian Cameron suggested both put in contact with Stormy, to make a typical approach
 122 (11:29:33 AM) API: and also "send a a11y representative" to next AdBoard meeting
 123 (11:29:44 AM) API: also asking for a one if required
 124 (11:30:32 AM) API: we should ask them when will be the next meeting
 125 (11:31:42 AM) API: so, do you have any candidate to be a a11y link?
 126 (11:32:05 AM) API: korn, you are used to this kind of bureaucracy, and you are
 127 (11:32:10 AM) ***joanie laughs
 128 (11:32:18 AM) API: knows a lot about AEGIS
 129 (11:32:23 AM) korn: Korn, "Speaker to bureaucrats"
 130 (11:32:35 AM) API: not sure about how much work in your plate do you have
 131 (11:32:42 AM) joanie: Korn, "Big Picture Guy"
 132 (11:32:47 AM) korn: I need to check on a few things before I can answer/accept your offer.
 133 (11:33:08 AM) joanie: korn: Could we ask you to add checking on those things to your (lengthy) to do list?
 134 (11:33:11 AM) korn: joanie: I'm actually riffing on a David Niven concept: "Speaker to animals".
 135 (11:33:22 AM) API: see, you have define it as "offer", a really diplomatic answer
 136 (11:33:24 AM) joanie: korn: aha. sorry
 137 (11:33:28 AM) korn: korn sighs...
 138 (11:33:34 AM) ***clown wonders if Dr. Moreau is on the ad board.
 139 (11:34:05 AM) API: ok, I think that we can decide it once we found when next adboard meeting will be
 140 (11:34:15 AM) ***clown notes that diplomacy speaks positively to korn's credentials in this context
 141 (11:34:30 AM) joanie: korn: This strikes me as a beyond-AEGIS, long-term opportunity to help the AdBoard understand the work being done in a11y. Therefore, someone skilled in this area is highly desirable
 142 (11:34:57 AM) joanie: delegating the grunt work to those of us with less diplomatic skill is an option
 143 (11:35:17 AM) korn: Thank you all for your praise. You have convinced me that this is important work and that I likely have the skills for it.
 144 (11:35:34 AM) korn: Now the question is whether I am able to do it (beyond reasons of skill set).
 145 (11:35:40 AM) korn: I can't answer that just now.
 146 (11:35:46 AM) API: I have just asked it, and it seems that will be one AdBoard meeting
 147 (11:35:48 AM) korn: I'll add that to my (lengthly) AI list.
 148 (11:35:52 AM) API: on this guaded
 149 (11:35:56 AM) API: s/guaded/guadec
 150 (11:36:03 AM) joanie: korn: Thank you for considering it!
 151 (11:36:32 AM) API: anyway, when I asked that the first reaction was asking if there isn't enough money
 152 (11:37:12 AM) API: Brian Cameron ask German Poo to check current a11y budget
 153 (11:37:24 AM) API: so one thing would be check if it is enough
 154 (11:37:32 AM) API: again, please people
 155 (11:37:56 AM) API: http://live.gnome.org/Travel
 156 (11:39:11 AM) danigm_out is now known as danigm
 157 (11:39:12 AM) API: well, other Brian Cameron proposal
 158 (11:39:19 AM) API: was about starting a new
 159 (11:39:31 AM) API: Friends of GNOME campaign
 160 (11:39:43 AM) API: similar to the one used to hire a sysadmin
 161 (11:39:52 AM) API: what do you think about it?
 162 (11:39:58 AM) API: good idea? bad idea?
 163 (11:40:03 AM) API: hot? cold? warm?
 164 (11:40:08 AM) fer: how much money did they raise?
 165 (11:40:20 AM) fer: 20k USD?
 166 (11:40:26 AM) korn: API: this is focused on a11y I presume?
 167 (11:40:51 AM) API: korn, yes, Brian exact words were
 168 (11:40:54 AM) API: "Starting a Friends of GNOME campaign for a11y"
 169 (11:40:59 AM) API: fer, no idea
 170 (11:41:07 AM) API: anyone knows it?
 171 (11:41:14 AM) korn: I like the idea so far... but more details are needed.
 172 (11:41:52 AM) korn: For what would the funds be allocated? Who would allocate them? By doing this, do we (effectively) cut ourselves off from asking the GNOME Foundation for money for stuff, since "you have your own fund"?
 173 (11:43:00 AM) korn: Also, I think anything here should be coordinated with what is happening in GNU accessibility land. From a funding perspective, there is a lot of overlap. Not all FOSS a11y work will necessarily be part of GNOME (e.g. TTS).
 174 (11:44:26 AM) API: korn, well those are good questions
 175 (11:44:33 AM) API: korn, but as far as I see
 176 (11:44:50 AM) API: we are trying to get extra funds as we found suddenly a "new hackfest"
 177 (11:45:07 AM) API: probably it were not planned to have two a11y hackfests on the same year
 178 (11:45:58 AM) korn: How much different is it - in this short term immediate hackfest need - to spin up a new "Friends of GNOME a11y" effort vs. simply having any donations go to the general GNOME Foundation with a "for a11y" tag on them?
 179 (11:46:29 AM) korn: Again, it isn't that I'm opposed to a "Friends of GNOME a11y" thing, I'm just trying to be pragmatic, especially if this is significantly about meeting an immediate, short term need.
 180 (11:46:49 AM) yippi left the room (quit: Leaving).
 181 (11:46:52 AM) API: korn, as far as I understood Brian
 182 (11:46:57 AM) API: and taking into account
 183 (11:47:08 AM) API: what he mentioned marketing
 184 (11:47:43 AM) API: it would be just use marketing team in order to promote current friends of GNOME towards a push on a11y
 185 (11:47:48 AM) API: but you are right
 186 (11:48:09 AM) API: at this moment anyone who wants to use Friends of GNOME can already set a a11y tag
 187 (11:48:17 AM) API: korn, and don't worry
 188 (11:48:47 AM) API: as I said before to joanie, i was not sure about this FOG thing
 189 (11:48:57 AM) API: although you have real reasons about it
 190 (11:49:05 AM) ***joanie chuckles
 191 (11:49:58 AM) API: in some way, Brian Cameron idea was more start a marketing campaign about help a11y
 192 (11:50:17 AM) API: anyway, you are right that this:
 193 (11:50:21 AM) API: <korn> For what would the funds be allocated? Who would allocate them? By doing this, do we (effectively) cut ourselves off from asking the GNOME Foundation for money for stuff, since "you have your own fund"?
 194 (11:50:26 AM) API: could be problematic
 195 (11:50:30 AM) API: we can ask this also
 196 (11:50:40 AM) korn: That makes sense to me API. Seems like that should be a thought0out effort, not something done hurridly just to help with the Seville hackfest.
 197 (11:50:44 AM) API: korn, about overlapping with gnu accessibility
 198 (11:51:00 AM) API: not sure how solve it
 199 (11:51:18 AM) korn: Oh, for GNU overlap, I'd work to solve that by having discussions with Chris Hofstadter about it.
 200 (11:51:29 AM) API: I mean, that for sure it would be interesting to have, for example, KDE a11y people there
 201 (11:51:42 AM) API: but not sure how focus funding in that case
 202 (11:52:24 AM) korn: For me, fundamentally, if GNU a11y is already planning on something like this, then we might just align our effort with and around that. If not, then going forward within the GNOME context makes sense.
 203 (11:52:36 AM) korn: (again, assuming we can get good answers to the other questions)
 204 (11:55:03 AM) API: yes
 205 (11:55:14 AM) korn: So API, joanie: is there more we can decide on FOG-a today? Are there other topics? We're nearly at the end of the hour...
 206 (11:55:38 AM) API: not sure if I'm forgetting something
 207 (11:55:56 AM) API: fer also commented about ping directly on companies
 208 (11:56:01 AM) joanie: The only other thing on the agenda is coming up with the concrete plan
 209 (11:56:08 AM) API: although this woudl be something that foundation would be also do
 210 (11:56:17 AM) joanie: API you and I have been working on the schedule already (adding goals, etc.)
 211 (11:56:45 AM) joanie: You and I should probably also relook at what we've done to be sure that we have items of clear value to would-be sponsors identified, etc.
 212 (11:56:56 AM) korn: For the plan: my suggestion is we set a date for everyone who wants travel funding to have that stated on the wiki and applied via http://live.gnome.org/Travel.
 213 (11:56:58 AM) joanie: (I think we're already mostly there.)
 214 (11:57:11 AM) joanie: korn: +1
 215 (11:57:17 AM) clown: korn, second that
 216 (11:57:23 AM) joanie: How much time is enough time?
 217 (11:57:26 AM) korn: Then we take that to GNOME Foundation, other potential folks.
 218 (11:57:26 AM) joanie: 2 weeks?
 219 (11:57:30 AM) API: joanie, you mean identify which things are required to be funded?
 220 (11:57:38 AM) joanie: API not exactly
 221 (11:57:54 AM) korn: joanie: From now? I'm thinking in terms of days, not weeks. Folks have know about this for a while.
 222 (11:58:04 AM) joanie: korn: ok 1 week?
 223 (11:58:13 AM) korn: We should get this nailed down quickly, so we can move to the second phase and try to get it funded.
 224 (11:58:24 AM) korn: joanie: I'd say at most 1 week.
 225 (11:58:33 AM) joanie: how about this: Deadline is next Thursday. Then we remind people one last time at next week's meeting (and via list)
 226 (11:58:58 AM) joanie: Friday 23d July we close things
 227 (12:00:35 PM) ***API urgh guadec-es starts 22 July
 228 (12:00:48 PM) API: in fact it is good to try to have things done at that moment
 229 (12:01:00 PM) API: if in the end there are a AdBoard meeting on guadec
 230 (12:02:49 PM) API: people, meeting end time!
 231 (12:03:02 PM) API: something missing in this meeting?
 232 (12:03:05 PM) joanie: API, we need a deadline to apply? 22nd?
 233 (12:03:13 PM) joanie: with a "do it now!!!!" clause
 234 (12:04:03 PM) API: 22/23 are fine, I suppose
 235 (12:04:18 PM) joanie: k
 236 (12:04:31 PM) ***clown thinks, in addition to many exclamation marks, that should be in caps: DO IT NOW!!!
 237 (12:06:30 PM) API: well, lets say then that the meeting is over
 238 (12:06:36 PM) API: thanks to come
 239 (12:06:44 PM) clown: thanks for chairing API