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   2 May 27 08:07:34 *	Topic for #a11y is: Visit us at http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility | New weekly meeting times to be announced soon | See our latest meeting summary at http://bit.ly/ctMqVI | Follow us on Twitter:  @gnome_a11y | Subscribe to our mailing list at http://is.gd/bmcWR
   3 May 27 08:07:34 *	Topic for #a11y set by Bryen at Sat Apr 10 00:34:07 2010
   4 May 27 08:07:35 *	morbo gives channel operator status to API
   5 May 27 08:07:43 <joanie>	yay!
   6 May 27 08:07:50 <joanie>	fashionably late API?
   7 May 27 08:08:18 <korn>	Hi gang, API.  I was hoping to comment a bit on one item on API's suggested agenda (the AEGIS conference), and then trundle off to bed.  Mind if we move that to the head of the agenda?
   8 May 27 08:08:29 <API>	yeah sorry
   9 May 27 08:09:16 <joanie>	korn: go for it
  10 May 27 08:09:23 <korn>	S'ok...
  11 May 27 08:10:03 <korn>	I'm guessing you all know about the AEGIS conference we're putting together for the first week of October in Seville... (see http://www.aegis-project.eu/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=9&Itemid=26 for details)
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  14 May 27 08:10:50 <korn>	We're hoping to have a significant GNOME presence there - what with GNOME being used in all K-12 schools in Andalusia (the region of Spain in which you find Seville).
  15 May 27 08:11:11 <korn>	We're also looking into holding a GNOME Accessibility Hackfest there.  After all, why should California & CSUN get all the fun?
  16 May 27 08:12:14 <korn>	So I wanted to let folks know that we have secured space for a hackfest, and to answer any questions
  17 May 27 08:12:59 <korn>	Oh, also... the conference paper abstract submission deadline has been extended again, to May 28, and we're getting more and good submissions from Spain and about GNOME a11y.
  18 May 27 08:13:33 <mgorse>	So it's right before the boston summit, P resume.
  19 May 27 08:13:35 <slee>	Spain is really active 
  20 May 27 08:13:44 <korn>	So....  questions, comments, thoughts?
  21 May 27 08:13:45 <joanie>	mgorse: not sure at this point
  22 May 27 08:13:46 <mgorse>	I presume
  23 May 27 08:13:57 <korn>	Boston summit seems to be slightly up in the air date-wise.
  24 May 27 08:14:05 <slee>	Korn: glad you have space
  25 May 27 08:14:06 <korn>	I'm seeing discussion of moving it to early November this time around.
  26 May 27 08:14:20 <slee>	we should try to do some hacking this time - though planning was important at CSUN
  27 May 27 08:14:22 <mgorse>	oh; didn't know that
  28 May 27 08:14:35 <joanie>	slee: +1
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  30 May 27 08:15:09 <joanie>	As I've said (repeatedly) this will be a couple of weeks after the big 3.0 release. We'll have bugs. Count on it.
  31 May 27 08:15:44 <korn>	Things aren't fully final yet as far as spaces go, but I expct we can have our own room for at least two full days - Monday & Tuesday October 1st & 2nd.  Unfortunately this University is closed Sundays and Saturday afternoons (where afternoon = after 14:00).
  32 May 27 08:15:48 <slee>	bugs? surely not :-P
  33 May 27 08:16:15 <joanie>	korn: I'm wondering if it would be worth creating something on live.gnome.org so that we can start penciling things in?
  34 May 27 08:16:25 *	API mgorse, http://www.j5live.com/2010/05/19/preparing-for-the-gnome-boston-summit-foundation-memebers-input-request/
  35 May 27 08:16:25 <korn>	I expect folks will be interested in attending conference sessions Thursday & Friday, and perhaps also at least part of the user forum in the afternoon.
  36 May 27 08:16:29 <korn>	Joanie: good idea.
  37 May 27 08:16:37 <korn>	I'll start that page...
  38 May 27 08:16:40 <slee>	joanie: yes
  39 May 27 08:17:06 <korn>	Hmmm... we already have a "Hackfest2010" on the wiki.
  40 May 27 08:17:08 <jrocha>	morning
  41 May 27 08:17:14 <joanie>	morning jrocha
  42 May 27 08:17:16 <korn>	Should this be "HackfestSpain", or "HackfestAEGIS", or...?
  43 May 27 08:17:36 <joanie>	something in Spanish :-)
  44 May 27 08:17:48 <API>	korn, it would be good to also add the year
  45 May 27 08:17:58 <API>	you know if AEGIS conference will be anual
  46 May 27 08:17:59 <API>	?
  47 May 27 08:18:01 <korn>	Hmm.... Not a language I studied, and my Spinglish would be a poor thing to rely on.
  48 May 27 08:18:03 <API>	the country?
  49 May 27 08:18:17 <korn>	Actually, AEGIS will be annual.  We'll have a second AEGIS conference in 2011.
  50 May 27 08:18:29 <korn>	S'OK.  HackfestAEGIS2010
  51 May 27 08:18:44 <API>	korn, but I suppose that the country will rotate, ala GUADEC, right?
  52 May 27 08:18:54 <korn>	API: yes indeed.
  53 May 27 08:18:57 <mgorse>	October 1 will be a Thursday, unless I'm just sleep-deprived
  54 May 27 08:19:16 <jrocha>	here some spanglish, folks: AEGIS Hackfesteros 2010
  55 May 27 08:19:17 <jrocha>	:D
  56 May 27 08:19:29 <joanie>	+1 jrocha :-)
  57 May 27 08:20:08 *	jrocha is thinking that because he's not Spanish he might end up getting a beating from API
  58 May 27 08:20:12 <korn>	I need a logo, involving a foot, a white cane, and tapas
  59 May 27 08:20:15 <API>	jrocha, stop making fun of spanglish, you portuguese! :P
  60 May 27 08:20:18 <slee>	hehe
  61 May 27 08:20:45 <slee>	korn: sangria?
  62 May 27 08:20:55 <korn>	slee: yes, of course.
  63 May 27 08:20:57 <jrocha>	API, it's not making fun. It's practicing The Art of the Spanglish
  64 May 27 08:21:16 <API>	well, ok, we can decide it later ;)
  65 May 27 08:21:23 <API>	HackfestAEGIS2010 seems fine
  66 May 27 08:21:36 <API>	korn, so right now we have the space
  67 May 27 08:21:48 <API>	next steps?
  68 May 27 08:21:52 <korn>	Next come the people and the draft agenda
  69 May 27 08:21:58 <jrocha>	so here's the thing about Spain guys, it is made by different regions with their own languages and culture, so, I'd not use any sangria or bulls on the logo
  70 May 27 08:22:09 <korn>	I have a feeling at least two other folks in this IRC channel will be attending...
  71 May 27 08:22:12 <jrocha>	maybe a "sun" would just do it :D
  72 May 27 08:22:16 <API>	eeejay, has more of experience with that, probably he can give some hints 
  73 May 27 08:22:25 <API>	like "gnome hackfests for dummies"
  74 May 27 08:22:32 <slee>	korn - I want to but unsure of my work situation/funding
  75 May 27 08:22:36 <joanie>	(jrocha: or an "oracle")
  76 May 27 08:22:59 <jrocha>	joanie, see.. that's why I put the quotes and didn't capitalize the S
  77 May 27 08:23:01 <jrocha>	:D
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  79 May 27 08:23:24 <joanie>	korn: what two other folks?
  80 May 27 08:23:56 <korn>	Well... I was kinda hoping you might be coming... :-)
  81 May 27 08:24:17 <joanie>	korn: Yes, I understand I'm invited. Didn't think you meant me. :-) The other?
  82 May 27 08:24:26 <slee>	joanie, jonie, jonie
  83 May 27 08:24:27 <korn>	And well, given that Igalia is in Spain and all...
  84 May 27 08:24:47 <joanie>	So API and jrocha
  85 May 27 08:25:12 <korn>	I was hoping we might convince one or two of those folks to make the long and arduous treck.
  86 May 27 08:25:38 <joanie>	korn: if mgorse can get funding that would be great (assuming you want to go mike)
  87 May 27 08:26:01 <joanie>	ditto on Li (who emailed me to say he's having network problems)
  88 May 27 08:26:43 <joanie>	My fear is that as awesome as AT-SPI2 will be, we'll find the occasional glitch with it plus Orca and I'd love to fix things while we're all in the same room
  89 May 27 08:27:25 <joanie>	and clown/dr. joseph for magnification
  90 May 27 08:27:46 <joanie>	API gnome-shell + Orca will already be perfect, right? ;-)
  91 May 27 08:28:08 <API>	define perfect :P
  92 May 27 08:28:12 <korn>	I expect we'll have some ATRC friends there.
  93 May 27 08:28:17 <joanie>	yay!
  94 May 27 08:28:22 <korn>	The other thing I expect we'll have are AEGIS hackers.
  95 May 27 08:28:46 <joanie>	korn: who are? (in particular)
  96 May 27 08:29:11 <korn>	So I want to specifically look to make progress on accessibility testing, and look at doing fun things with OpenGazer, and perhaps TTS, in addition to GNOME 3 fixes.
  97 May 27 08:29:23 <korn>	joanie: not sure yet who of their staff will be attending.  
  98 May 27 08:29:44 *	joanie has to remember the world is not just Orca
  99 May 27 08:30:30 <joanie>	well, it sounds awesome korn. I guess we just need to start penciling in the details(?)
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 101 May 27 08:30:59 <korn>	Yup.
 102 May 27 08:31:01 <joanie>	(so perhaps a general announcement on the gnome a11y list?)
 103 May 27 08:31:04 <korn>	I'll have a first edition of the page up soon.
 104 May 27 08:31:11 <joanie>	awesomesauce
 105 May 27 08:31:24 <slee>	great
 106 May 27 08:31:31 <korn>	One question: do we want to do some last checking in with Stormy about funding and all before we pull the trigger on gnome-a11y?
 107 May 27 08:31:46 <joanie>	or the other way around?
 108 May 27 08:32:07 <korn>	Yah.  Remind me how we did this for CSUN?
 109 May 27 08:32:12 <joanie>	going to stormy with a "we've got this vague sorta hackfest thing...." might be less attractive than something concrete.
 110 May 27 08:32:13 <API>	korn, you know if Flavio will attend this hackfest? you mentioned a kind of opengazer-mousetrap meeting in the conference, in one of the hundreds mails I received
 111 May 27 08:32:16 <korn>	Did we simply ask for forgiveness last time?
 112 May 27 08:32:44 <korn>	Dunno API.  But I'd very much like to see that happen in particular.
 113 May 27 08:32:49 <joanie>	i think eeejay did it properly. So this time we can ask for forgiveness ;-)
 114 May 27 08:33:01 <korn>	Oh, also... I'm talking with the VEDICS folks, and I hope to see at least one of them there.
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 117 May 27 08:34:24 <joanie>	speak of the devil
 118 May 27 08:34:28 <API>	yeah
 119 May 27 08:34:39 <korn>	Hey FlaPer87 - wanna go to Seville?
 120 May 27 08:34:40 <API>	FlaPer87, <API> korn, you know if Flavio will attend this hackfest? you mentioned a kind of opengazer-mousetrap meeting in the conference, in one of the hundreds mails I received
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 122 May 27 08:36:45 <joanie>	FlaPer87: is probably getting coffee :-)
 123 May 27 08:37:48 <korn>	OK.
 124 May 27 08:38:13 <API>	well, something else? we can move to other point?
 125 May 27 08:38:37 <korn>	Please g'head on to other things.
 126 May 27 08:40:00 <API>	ok, outreach for example
 127 May 27 08:40:05 <API>	slee, any new
 128 May 27 08:40:07 <API>	?
 129 May 27 08:40:12 <API>	it seems that Bryen is not here
 130 May 27 08:40:54 <slee>	API: nothing on Outreach. We need to come up with a list of difficulties people find getting engaged 
 131 May 27 08:41:02 <slee>	I'll post an email
 132 May 27 08:41:40 <slee>	I've been asked to present paper at AEGIS and might work something up on the subject
 133 May 27 08:41:58 <API>	ok, 
 134 May 27 08:42:00 <API>	hmm
 135 May 27 08:42:17 <API>	as Bryen is not here I'm not sure if it makes sense to try to talk about HFOSS
 136 May 27 08:42:51 <API>	well, while we wait, just a brief comment
 137 May 27 08:43:12 <API>	yesterday jjardon were asking here about at-spi2 and apps thatwould
 138 May 27 08:43:19 <API>	require changes due it
 139 May 27 08:43:35 <API>	i pointed him the gnome 3 live page
 140 May 27 08:43:38 <API>	http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/GNOME3
 141 May 27 08:43:56 <API>	but he also thought that would be good track these in the bugzilla
 142 May 27 08:44:35 <API>	he created this bug: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=619734
 143 May 27 08:44:53 <korn>	OK - the first cut at the page is up.  See http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/HackfestAEGIS2010
 144 May 27 08:45:18 <korn>	I did something wrong with the picture, and other info is still a lot of it TBD.
 145 May 27 08:45:45 <joanie>	korn: thanks for doing that
 146 May 27 08:45:52 <API>	korn, awesome
 147 May 27 08:46:08 <korn>	I need to go to sleep (meeing in < 7 hours).  Can someone help clean up the page a bit (the image didn't come over)?
 148 May 27 08:47:04 <joanie>	korn: since no one else is jumping in, I'll take a look
 149 May 27 08:47:16 <korn>	thanks.  g'nite all!
 150 May 27 08:47:17 <API>	korn, weel we need another image, the one I have mentions california, who created csun hackfest logo?
 151 May 27 08:47:20 <slee>	korn looks good
 152 May 27 08:47:20 <joanie>	nite
 153 May 27 08:47:27 <slee>	hnite
 154 May 27 08:47:32 <slee>	*gnite
 155 May 27 08:48:21 <joanie>	korn: where's the image you want to use?
 156 May 27 08:50:28 <API>	hmm, well, it seems that korn is already gone
 157 May 27 08:50:28 <joanie>	oh well. moving on?
 158 May 27 08:50:46 <API>	10 minutes left, no HFOSS
 159 May 27 08:50:54 <API>	people here, AFAIK
 160 May 27 08:51:27 <API>	so, the other point would be our gnome 3 list
 161 May 27 08:51:48 <API>	joanie, how about the regression tests with at-spi2?
 162 May 27 08:52:10 <API>	probably you were really busy these days with other things, but just to know the current state
 163 May 27 08:52:11 <joanie>	API: haven't tried yet myself. mgorse was using them
 164 May 27 08:52:29 <API>	mgorse, anything to comment?
 165 May 27 08:52:54 <mgorse>	Last time I tried, some of them were passing and some weren't. I haven't investigated lately.
 166 May 27 08:53:23 <API>	ok, thanks
 167 May 27 08:53:26 <joanie>	mgorse: you and i both suck <grins> We should prioritize this especially since you're moving jhbuild over to the new stuff
 168 May 27 08:53:29 <mgorse>	Ie, with role_push_button.py, 3 passed and 1 failed
 169 May 27 08:53:48 <joanie>	mgorse: let's chat more at a civilized (for us) hour
 170 May 27 08:54:20 <mgorse>	ok
 171 May 27 08:54:32 <API>	TheMuso, any new about opentts?
 172 May 27 08:54:50 <API>	as far as I remember you proposed it as a external dependency for gnome 3.0
 173 May 27 08:54:59 <TheMuso>	ah crap, sorry guys, totally forgot about the meeting.
 174 May 27 08:55:12 *	joanie wonders if external dependencies have been finalized yet? 
 175 May 27 08:55:23 <TheMuso>	API: As for opentts, we are currently in freeze, with everything that goes into the repo examined and checked, as only doc updates and critical bug fixes go in.
 176 May 27 08:55:32 <TheMuso>	joanie: Haven't seen anything on the gnome-desktop-devel list.
 177 May 27 08:55:45 <TheMuso>	OpenTTS will likely have a first release some time next week.
 178 May 27 08:56:08 <joanie>	API: TheMuso: the other (relevant) announcement is that Steve Holmes (Orca user) has created initial support in Orca for OpenTTS
 179 May 27 08:56:19 <TheMuso>	Yep I am aware of that.
 180 May 27 08:56:23 <joanie>	it was committed into master yesterday
 181 May 27 08:56:40 <API>	TheMuso, I think that it could be good idea update 
 182 May 27 08:56:42 <API>	http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/GNOME3#gnome-speech_.28drop_for_GNOME3.2C_supplant_with_SpeechDispatcher_or_SpeechDispatcher_fork.29
 183 May 27 08:56:55 <joanie>	+1
 184 May 27 08:57:17 <TheMuso>	API: I don't have an account on the wiki yet actually. :)
 185 May 27 08:57:24 <TheMuso>	I should really see to that.
 186 May 27 08:57:28 <API>	:P
 187 May 27 08:57:36 <joanie>	TheMuso: takes like 5 minutes to get one
 188 May 27 08:57:38 <API>	it is not really hard, as far as I remember
 189 May 27 08:57:47 <TheMuso>	joanie: I know, I just haven't had a reason to do so yet.
 190 May 27 08:58:24 <API>	well, now you have a reason ;)
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 192 May 27 08:58:30 <API>	ok, just 2 minutes left
 193 May 27 08:58:38 <API>	KeWang, anything new from your side?
 194 May 27 09:00:05 <KeWang>	hi, API
 195 May 27 09:00:21 <KeWang>	I'm working on a headache bug of JAW...
 196 May 27 09:00:38 *	joanie wonders which bug?
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 198 May 27 09:02:16 <KeWang>	joanie, look at this https://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=15964
 199 May 27 09:02:53 <joanie>	KeWang: yup. I ran across that one. Thought it was similar to my jcontrol issue. Guess not :-(
 200 May 27 09:03:22 <joanie>	KeWang: though the error is the same.
 201 May 27 09:03:51 <KeWang>	Since JRE's last update, the trick JAW used to avoid X conflict no longer works
 202 May 27 09:05:27 <KeWang>	joanie, yes, the two bugs are similar.
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 204 May 27 09:06:42 <API>	well, folks its 9:05, I think that we can conclude that the meeting is over