19:05:51 <stoney_> #startmeeting
19:05:51 <tota11y> Meeting started Thu Feb 20 19:05:51 2014 CET.  The chair is stoney_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:06:01 <stoney_> Welome
19:06:27 <stoney_> So, we're going to try to take advantage of the parallel nature of IRc
19:06:37 <stoney_> #topic updates
19:06:55 <stoney_> so for the updates, please #info your current status
19:06:59 <stoney_> what you have been working on
19:07:05 <stoney_> everyone all at once :)
19:07:22 <stoney_> Hi Andre
19:07:39 <AndreLGOliveira> Hi Professor
19:07:40 <heidi> Hey AndreLGOliveira!
19:07:49 <AndreLGOliveira> Hi
19:07:56 <stoney_> #info AndreLGOliveira is a new comer to our group, he'll be working on our testing procedures and framework
19:09:05 <heidi> #info Heidi got permissions to allocate Bugzilla permissions and has given the group (except for AndreLGOliveira ) permissions to edit a bug and change the status of a bug.
19:09:29 <heidi> So you all should be able to edit bugs as you work on them, and confirm them.
19:09:46 <stoney_> #info there is a new page at the bottom of our wiki about testing
19:09:50 <stoney_> #link https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Projects/MouseTrap?action=show&redirect=MouseTrap
19:09:59 <heidi> #info Bottom of the MouseTrap wiki on the GNOME site
19:10:33 <stoney> everyone else?
19:10:36 <stoney> info up
19:10:40 <stoney> don't wait :)
19:10:44 <kevin-brown> #info I've been working on the last parts of making MouseTrap compatible with OpenCV 3 along with looking up how AutoTools works
19:11:49 <heidi> kevin-brown: How far have you gotten?
19:12:13 <kevin-brown> heidi: Not very far, but it looks like I will be able to finish it and send a new patch up by the next meeting
19:12:33 <heidi> Ah, cool!
19:12:47 <heidi> kevin-brown: Do you mean that you'll have MouseTrap entirely compatible with OpenCV3?
19:13:02 <stoney> OK... on to issues
19:13:09 <stoney> #topic Issues
19:13:23 <kevin-brown> heidi: Both OpenCV 3 and OpenCV 2, as what has changed in OpenCV 3 doesn't affect us (as far as I can tell)
19:13:39 <stoney> In this topic... info up where you are stuck
19:13:47 <stoney> or any suggestions
19:13:50 <stoney> nits you want to pick
19:13:51 <heidi> Ah, good!
19:13:52 <stoney> etc.
19:14:01 <stoney> proposals
19:14:09 <stoney> confusions
19:14:13 <stoney> what you need
19:14:18 <stoney> you know... issues :)
19:14:49 <roland> #info I've been collecting file names within my local repo that need ocv. I have also been making sure that the ocv files used are up to date. I have already found a couple files that I need to look into so that I can see if they are depricated and need to be updated due to name changes of xml files and funtions. I have already found the files that I believe are the needed files to replace...
19:14:50 <stoney> use #info
19:14:51 <roland> ...the old ones(* crosses fingers). These new files are from the newest ocv libraries and the old ones so far look like their equivelent, they are used for the face mouth detection and the eye detection(with glasses*). Earlier this week Bryan, Kevin and I met for about an hour to bring each other up to speed on what eachother were doing. Kevin and I will at another need to meet again to go...
19:14:53 <roland> ...over a couple of file modifications. So, often we will be working together, here on out.
19:15:41 <heidi> What is the overlap between what kevin-brown and roland are doing?
19:16:58 <roland> #info the old ones(* crosses fingers). These new files are from the newest ocv libraries and the old ones so far look like their equivelent, they are used for the face mouth detection and the eye detection(with glasses*). Earlier this week Bryan, Kevin and I met for about an hour to bring each other up to speed on what each other were doing. Kevin and I will at another need to meet again to go
19:17:20 <roland> #info over a couple of file modifications. So, often we will be working together, here on out.
19:18:09 <stoney> #info need a demo of flash drives sooner than later
19:18:41 <stoney> #info the hackfest is in April... but we don't want to wait for the last minute to get the flash drives working
19:19:12 <stoney> #info if the flash drives don't work... we need time to change gears
19:19:34 <stoney> ok...
19:19:41 <stoney> next we move to open discussion
19:19:47 <stoney> #topic discussion
19:19:56 <stoney> here we discuss any of the above issues
19:20:02 <stoney> try to help resolve things
19:20:10 <stoney> point folks in the right direction
19:20:12 <stoney> etc.
19:20:23 <stoney> debate
19:20:25 <kevin-brown> That would be useful, if we had any issues to discuss
19:20:32 <stoney> :)
19:20:37 <AndreLGOliveira> ok
19:20:57 <stoney> some days we will, some days we won't :)
19:21:04 <heidi> stoney, So if I understand correctly, you are parallelizing what we had been doing serially in previous meetings, yes?
19:21:12 <kevin-brown> What would be a good time to talk about testing? (Just read that document)
19:21:23 <stoney> heidi: yes to compress
19:21:33 <stoney> now
19:21:38 <stoney> ?
19:21:41 <heidi> Now to talk about testing is good.
19:21:43 <heidi> :-)
19:21:44 <AndreLGOliveira> ok
19:22:01 <stoney> AndreLGOliveira: care to lead us through it?
19:22:01 <AndreLGOliveira> I'm the first one doing unit testing on this project?
19:22:09 <stoney> yup yup :)
19:22:15 <AndreLGOliveira> Ok
19:22:23 <AndreLGOliveira> let me summarize it
19:22:41 <stoney> #link https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/MouseTrap/Testing
19:22:48 <stoney> we are looking at that page
19:24:12 <stoney> (btw... discussions I expect will be more serial, and less parallel)
19:24:57 <AndreLGOliveira> #info The  testing code is accepted to be put in 3 different locations: The same folder as the methods, with the name of the method being tested followed by "_test*
19:25:29 <stoney> wait
19:25:51 <stoney> AndreLGOliveira: we are just looking for an overview of what you are going to be doing in this project
19:26:00 <stoney> AndreLGOliveira: we don't expect that you have a solution yet
19:26:11 <AndreLGOliveira> Ok, sorry for that
19:26:17 <stoney> AndreLGOliveira: what are the goals
19:26:19 <stoney> your fine
19:26:21 <stoney> :)
19:26:31 <stoney> you're
19:28:22 <AndreLGOliveira> #info I will be studying and developing the unit testing for the project, testing if the methods works as expected and reporting it early in the development.
19:29:01 <heidi> Stoney, is the plan for AndreLGOliveira to create unit tests for all code?
19:29:09 <stoney> no
19:29:21 <AndreLGOliveira> #info Also, I will document how the Unit Testing Framework works and how to use it on the code.
19:29:22 <heidi> Ok, so some small part? Any particular part?
19:29:47 <stoney> he will be investigating how unit testing is done in python
19:29:57 <stoney> he'll create an example
19:30:05 <kevin-brown> AndreLGOliveira: What framework are you looking into? unittest? nose?
19:30:14 <stoney> he'll help firm up how it will integrate with MouseTrap
19:30:20 <AndreLGOliveira> unittest framework
19:30:29 <stoney> and he'll give recommendations for its use by developers
19:31:17 <stoney> kevin-brown: unittest initially
19:31:22 <stoney> is nose built in?
19:31:45 <stoney> should we look at it?
19:31:49 <heidi> kevin-brown: Do you have recommendations for tools?
19:31:59 <kevin-brown> Nose is not built in, and neither is unittest2
19:32:28 <stoney> what's this then? http://docs.python.org/3.3/library/unittest.html
19:33:01 <kevin-brown> That's just unittest
19:33:18 <stoney> is it bad?
19:33:38 <AndreLGOliveira> Nose is a third-party testing framework.
19:33:50 <kevin-brown> It gets the job done, nose and unittest2 were just created to fill in a few gaps
19:34:13 <stoney> what gaps... do we need the gaps
19:34:17 <stoney> ?
19:34:38 <stoney> my inclination is to keep dependencies low
19:35:08 <kevin-brown> Which is what I figured, unittest should be fine for MouseTrap
19:35:26 <stoney> so maybe that is the first step
19:35:31 <stoney> figure out which is needed
19:35:40 <AndreLGOliveira> ok
19:35:51 <stoney> if we would really benefit from the features of nose or unittest2 we should consider them
19:36:03 <stoney> if not... stick with standard libraries
19:36:34 <stoney> #action AndreLGOliveira will investigate the differences between unittest, unittest2, and nose
19:37:30 <stoney> AndreLGOliveira: it looks lil kevin-brown  has some background in this... so pick his brain too
19:37:46 <AndreLGOliveira> ok
19:38:10 <stoney> anything else on this?
19:38:31 <kevin-brown> AndreLGOliveira: Feel free to ping me on here, I've done quite a bit with unit testing in python and may be able to help if you need anything
19:38:51 <stoney> last topic will be "resolved" in which we'll assign ourselves tasks for the week
19:38:55 <AndreLGOliveira> ok, thanks kevin-brown I will
19:39:03 <stoney> #topic resloved
19:39:22 <stoney> so action up your plans for the week
19:39:37 <stoney> : #action AndreLGOliveira will investigate the differences between unittest, unittest2, and nose
19:39:48 <stoney> #action AndreLGOliveira will investigate the differences between unittest, unittest2, and nose
19:40:00 <stoney> (AndreLGOliveira I did your's for you :P)
19:40:23 <AndreLGOliveira> ok, :)
19:40:46 <stoney> #action Heidi and I will do our usual patch session on Monday
19:40:54 <kevin-brown> #action I will be finishing bug 691878 and will have a revised patch by the next meeting
19:40:54 <tota11y> 04Bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=691878 normal, Normal, ---, mousetrap-maint, NEW, Convert to Python 3
19:41:15 <stoney> quick question...
19:41:36 <stoney> has anyone been able to test their new powers over bugzilla ?
19:42:08 <kevin-brown> I appear to have the permissions, as the options are now available to make changes
19:42:11 <stoney> AndreLGOliveira: also, please join the mousetrap email list serv
19:42:16 <stoney> sweet
19:42:31 <stoney> that was what you were looking for? kevin-brown ?
19:42:44 <roland> #action Roland and Kevin will be scheduling a couple meetings to work together on ocv updates/problems/incompatibilities/deprecations;
19:42:45 <stoney> kevin-brown: i.e., you are satisfied?
19:43:02 <kevin-brown> stoney: It should make things easier in the future, yes
19:43:07 <stoney> cool
19:43:18 <stoney> anything else before we adjourn?
19:43:27 <kevin-brown> Is someone planning on going through the old bugs and closing them off?
19:43:43 <stoney> heidi: is that on our todo?
19:43:54 <heidi> stoney: Ummm, sort of?
19:43:56 <AndreLGOliveira> question: where can I  join the listing?
19:44:26 <AndreLGOliveira> nevermind, I found it.
19:44:30 <roland> :)
19:44:32 <heidi> #action stoney and heidi will go through old bugs and close them off.
19:44:46 <kevin-brown> AndreLGOliveira: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mousetrap-list
19:44:51 <stoney> AndreLGOliveira: also.. please create a github account
19:45:04 <stoney> AndreLGOliveira: I'll transfer that repository to you
19:45:07 <heidi> AndreLGOliveira: Just to let you know, several of us are sitting in the CS lab (Herman 207) during this IRC. Feel free to join us in the future.
19:45:20 <AndreLGOliveira> I already did: https://github.com/AndreLuisGO
19:45:27 <stoney> perfect
19:45:37 <stoney> anything else?
19:45:47 <AndreLGOliveira> Ok, I'll be there next week
19:45:48 <stoney> going once
19:45:53 <stoney> going twice
19:45:58 <stoney> sold
19:46:12 <stoney> #endmeeting
19:46:50 <stoney> well... at least i'm done with that meeting :)
19:46:55 <stoney> even if the meetbot isn't
19:46:56 <stoney> :P
19:47:00 <stoney> #endmeeting
19:47:04 <stoney> #endmeeting
19:47:07 <stoney> #endmeeting
19:47:14 <stoney> #stopmeeting
19:47:18 <stoney> #finishmeeting
19:47:43 <stoney> #overandout
19:47:50 <stoney> #goaway
19:47:53 <stoney> #leavemealone
19:48:10 <heidi> joanie?
19:48:20 <joanie> Yes ma'am?
19:48:23 <heidi> The meetbot doesn't seem to be responding properly.
19:48:35 <heidi> Are you able to kick it?
19:48:36 <joanie> Oh, I need to send you minutes too. I suck
19:48:39 * joanie looks
19:48:47 <joanie> who was chair?
19:48:50 <heidi> Yes on the meeting minutes, no on the sucking.
19:48:51 <heidi> Stoney
19:49:05 <joanie> and you started a meeting?
19:49:10 <stoney> yes me
19:49:12 <heidi> Has the meeting ended and the meetbot didn't tell us?
19:49:12 <joanie> lemme scroll up
19:49:13 <stoney> yes i started
19:49:20 <joanie> it should tell you
19:49:25 <heidi> Yes, we did. And the meetbot gave us the usual start up messages.
19:49:37 <joanie> yup
19:49:38 <stoney> OH I KNOW
19:49:42 <stoney> my nick changed
19:49:48 <joanie> dude
19:49:50 <joanie> :P
19:49:58 <stoney_> no I suck
19:50:01 <joanie> hah
19:50:02 <stoney_> now I suck
19:50:04 <joanie> try again
19:50:04 <heidi> OK, is it a sad thing that this is the highlight of my day?
19:50:07 <stoney_> #endmeeting