1 16:01:26 <API> #startmeeting
   2 16:01:26 <tota11y> Meeting started Thu Dec  5 16:01:26 2013 CET.  The chair is API. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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   4 16:01:41 <API> #topic 5 minutes of margin
   5 16:05:31 * clown waves
   6 16:05:39 <clown> Is there a meeting today?
   7 16:05:41 <API> waves too
   8 16:05:48 * clown looks for agenda.
   9 16:05:48 <API> yes today there are meeting
  10 16:05:54 <API> too many weeks without meeting ;)
  11 16:05:57 <API> I blame turkeys
  12 16:06:17 <clown> hey, I was here last week.  Toiling away...
  13 16:06:38 <clown> "here" == "at work".
  14 16:06:46 <API> in any case, 5 minutes of margin is over
  15 16:06:46 <clown> "here" != "turkey"
  16 16:06:50 <API> so starting for real
  17 16:07:08 <API> #topic Progress towards 3.12
  18 16:07:14 <clown> agenda:  https://wiki.gnome.org/Accessibility/Meetings#Agenda_for_the_Next_Meeting_.285_December.29
  19 16:07:29 <joanie> dec 29?
  20 16:07:43 <API> #info API is right now writing a email about some API changes needed on ATK in order to support better more that one toolkit
  21 16:07:59 <clown> beats me joanie.  That's what my browser is telling me.
  22 16:08:03 <API> #info this is needed because right now, gnome-shell is not accessible under wayland, because gtk AtkUtil
  23 16:08:17 <API> #info implementation is overriding clutter AtkUtil implementation
  24 16:08:31 <API> #info additionally, API has been working on some AtkDocument stuff
  25 16:08:45 <API> #info and implementing it on evince, as part of improving accessibility on pdf documents
  26 16:09:15 <API> #info poppler stuff is also being reviewed/approved these days, so poppler master has a better tagged-pdf support
  27 16:09:37 <API> #info in the same way, as Piñeiro is in writing-email mode today, he will send a ping to the wayland+accessibiilty thread
  28 16:10:03 <API> #info probably suggesting about moving some of the current bugs to wayland, gnome-shell or <relevant-component> bugzilla
  29 16:10:05 <API> (done)
  30 16:10:22 <joanie> #info Joanie is still working on the focus: deprecation stuff.
  31 16:10:40 <joanie> #info Joanie is also investigating various and sundry Firefox 25 accessibility regressions. :-/
  32 16:10:43 <joanie> (done)
  33 16:12:02 <API> ah, I forgot something
  34 16:12:22 <API> #info API also replied the email that mgorse sent about the  new at-spi2 API, specifically about
  35 16:12:31 <API> #info events with more info, and some async API
  36 16:12:40 <API> (done) this time for real
  37 16:13:04 <API> mgorse, ? I don't know if you want to add something about that, or if that is still on mailing list discussion moe
  38 16:13:05 <API> *mode
  39 16:13:21 <mgorse> #info mgorse has done some work on an async api and emailed g-a-devel (to which API just alluded)
  40 16:13:24 * clown makes note to read those at-spi2 emails.
  41 16:13:24 <mgorse> done
  42 16:13:33 <mgorse> yeah, I need to take some time to reply to that email you sent. Thanks for replying
  43 16:14:45 <clown> I don't know if this is all that important, but it probably relates to 3.12:
  44 16:15:23 <clown> All of the gs-magnifier bugs have been re-classified.  There is now a "magnfier" component in bugzilla for the gnome-shell project.
  45 16:15:48 <clown> the only reason I know is because I was on the cc list, and was automatically emailed when andre made the change.
  46 16:15:55 <clown> Is that worth info'ing?
  47 16:16:00 <joanie> yeah, we all got spammed
  48 16:16:22 <clown> s/magnfier/magnifier/
  49 16:16:39 <API> clown, as you wish
  50 16:16:46 <API> made a quick info, and then we can move on
  51 16:16:47 <clown> it might mean the profile of the magnifier is going up.
  52 16:16:58 <API> going up?
  53 16:17:01 <API> what do you mean?
  54 16:17:12 <clown> #info The gnome-shell project has added a new component for tracking the magnfier.
  55 16:17:42 <clown> #info all gs-mag bugs have been moved to this new component ("component" in the sense of a bugzilla component).
  56 16:18:07 <clown> API, going up means  "becoming more important".
  57 16:18:13 <clown> just speculation on my part.
  58 16:18:14 <API> hmmm
  59 16:18:16 <API> well, I don't think so
  60 16:18:31 <API> component was added because magdalen asked for a component
  61 16:18:39 <clown> ah....
  62 16:19:05 <API> so after all this
  63 16:19:12 <API> anything else on this topic?
  64 16:20:59 <API> nobody saying anything
  65 16:21:01 <API> so I will move
  66 16:21:16 <API> #topic W3C updates
  67 16:21:18 <API> clown, ?
  68 16:21:50 <clown> #info The ARIA working group received comments on the UAIG last call draft from the gnome-a11y community.
  69 16:21:57 <clown> thanks guys, by the way!
  70 16:22:04 <joanie> :)
  71 16:22:16 <clown> #info A small sub-group worked on responsese to those comments.
  72 16:22:39 <clown> #info Those responses have been pushed to the full group requesting group consensus.
  73 16:23:11 <clown> #info  In addition, we are trying to find a compromise to somehow include the requested changes given W3C protocol.
  74 16:23:26 <joanie> (thanks for that)
  75 16:23:33 <clown> #info All this is intended to be wrapped up by end of day Friday (tommorrow).
  76 16:23:41 <clown> done — questions?
  77 16:23:57 <joanie> no questions from me
  78 16:24:29 <jjmarin> me neither
  79 16:24:35 <API> ok, just one more from me
  80 16:24:39 <API> with my igalian hat on
  81 16:24:44 <clown> what colour is it?
  82 16:24:49 <joanie> black
  83 16:24:57 <clown> then mine is white.
  84 16:25:15 <API> #info Igalia has become a W3C member recently, one of the reasons behind, is stuff like this "lets collaborate for accessibility"
  85 16:25:22 <API> clown, has a lot of colors
  86 16:25:30 <API> is a round hat that mimics igalia logo
  87 16:25:31 <clown> red nose...
  88 16:26:07 * clown congratulates igalia.  off the record, I would like to see more gnome representation...
  89 16:26:22 <API> clown, thanks
  90 16:26:49 <jjmarin> igalians are very gnomers :-)
  91 16:27:11 <API> so after this little self-promotion
  92 16:27:15 <API> more questions, doubts?
  93 16:27:30 <clown> is joanie the only one from igalia that is participating?
  94 16:27:49 <clown> maybe that's an miscellaneous question...
  95 16:27:50 <joanie> first one
  96 16:28:05 <joanie> and I'm roping API into it :)
  97 16:28:26 <joanie> others within Igalia have interests in also becoming active
  98 16:28:32 <API> although I was already roped or something
  99 16:28:32 <joanie> but who does what remains to be seen
 100 16:28:49 <API> as some of last changes on ATK were based on first review on that UIG joanie made
 101 16:29:00 <joanie> thank you API :)
 102 16:29:13 <API> so, moving?
 103 16:29:18 <joanie> and thank you mgorse
 104 16:29:22 <clown> are you saying that the "flaws" in the UAIG inspired improvements to ATK?
 105 16:29:23 <joanie> but yeah, moving I think
 106 16:29:44 <API> clown, well, were flaws on ATK
 107 16:29:52 <joanie> not in all cases
 108 16:29:56 <API> something like "in order to implement this fancy aria stuff, do this hack on ATK"
 109 16:30:07 <joanie> sometimes what happens is our platform lacks needed API
 110 16:30:08 <API> yes, true, some of them
 111 16:30:15 <joanie> and you can go two ways in that case:
 112 16:30:20 <joanie> 1. hack
 113 16:30:28 <joanie> 2. add the needed API
 114 16:30:42 <joanie> I am afraid 1 has happened far too often
 115 16:30:54 <clown> indeed.
 116 16:32:40 <API> I think that that is a good bridge to move topics
 117 16:32:40 <API> so
 118 16:32:45 <API> @topic Marketing
 119 16:32:46 <API> ups
 120 16:32:49 <API> #topic Marketing
 121 16:32:51 <API> jjmarin, ?
 122 16:32:57 <jjmarin> #info Following Jon W. Mccan reques, Juanjo's been moving content from https://projects.gnome.org/accessibility/ and https://projects.gnome.org/orca/  to https://wiki.gnome.org/Accessibility/ and https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca respectively
 123 16:33:11 <joanie> yay for jjmarin :) and thanks!
 124 16:33:27 <jjmarin> that's all I've done these days
 125 16:33:33 <jjmarin> thanks
 126 16:33:35 <jjmarin> :-)
 127 16:33:55 <API> jjmarin, so my question
 128 16:34:03 <API> is projects.gnome.org officially dead?
 129 16:34:09 <API> or in process to be killed?
 130 16:34:27 <jjmarin> I guess they will kill it when all the projects are migrated
 131 16:34:37 <jjmarin> but I haven't read the plan
 132 16:34:54 <jjmarin> in fact, I haven't seen in any part
 133 16:35:10 <jjmarin> only a rant in engagement list for broken links
 134 16:35:15 <joanie> heh
 135 16:35:56 <API> ok
 136 16:36:07 <API> so anything else, questions, comments, doubgs?
 137 16:36:11 <API> *doubts
 138 16:37:23 <API> seems that not
 139 16:37:30 <API> today meeting is going smoothly
 140 16:37:31 <API> so
 141 16:37:35 <API> #topic "Miscellaneous Time"
 142 16:37:43 <API> something not scheduled to comment?
 143 16:39:05 <joanie> #info There is a WebKitGtk hackfest this week at Igalia.
 144 16:39:17 <joanie> #info One target area is accessibility.
 145 16:39:31 <mgorse> Oh, that explains why you were tweeting about being on a plane
 146 16:39:43 <clown> are there snakes on that plane?
 147 16:39:57 <joanie> mgorse: I was tweeting about being on a plane because I like to complain and happened to be on planes :)
 148 16:40:07 <joanie> but the reason I was on planes is this event. /me grins
 149 16:40:39 <joanie> clown: there were zombies
 150 16:40:52 <joanie> (World War Z was in the available movies)
 151 16:41:00 <clown> hee hee
 152 16:41:00 <API> this week? technically starts on Sunday
 153 16:41:08 <API> using english calendar, that means next week, right?
 154 16:41:12 <joanie> I thought it was Saturday
 155 16:41:28 <API> saturday is something like day 0, or unofficial starting day
 156 16:41:48 <API> or in summary, for the people that arrive the day before
 157 16:41:57 <API> leftovers, but even before
 158 16:42:04 <API> :P
 159 16:42:26 <joanie> in which fearless leader fails to prove it doesn't start this week :P
 160 16:42:39 <jjmarin> I rescued an old 2008 article somewhere in the internet, Python Powered Accessibility, but I haven't found the pictures. Just in case any of you have a local copy ? (not very probable I think) . Just in case, the text https://wiki.gnome.org/Accessibility/PythonPoweredAccessibility
 161 16:42:52 * clown looks
 162 16:43:23 * API looking too
 163 16:43:59 <API> I guess that this is using pyatspi1
 164 16:44:04 <API> so yes probably obsolete
 165 16:44:07 <clown> Weird.  There are no <img> tags in the html for that page...
 166 16:44:23 <API> although could be the base to do something similar with updated stuff
 167 16:46:03 <API> two minutes and nobody talking, I see that as a signal that the meeting is over
 168 16:46:09 <API> so unless someone objects quick
 169 16:46:15 <API> I will end the meeting
 170 16:46:17 <API> in
 171 16:46:18 <API> 3 ...
 172 16:46:21 <API> 2  ...
 173 16:46:24 <API> 1 ...
 174 16:46:26 <API> boom
 175 16:46:28 <API> #endmeeting