**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 13 16:55:32 2006 Feb 13 16:56:01 testing Feb 13 16:57:08 --- calum has changed the topic to: sound-juicer ui-review, starts 1700 UTC today Feb 13 17:02:36 --> mccann (~mccann@vbns-dhcp-16.pha.jhu.edu) has joined #ui-review Feb 13 17:03:04 hi Feb 13 17:03:24 hey, you figured it out then :) Feb 13 17:03:34 um so far :) Feb 13 17:03:54 this is my test run Feb 13 17:04:09 could be a quiet one if we're the only two who turn up :) Feb 13 17:04:32 hopefully at least ross will Feb 13 17:04:40 yeah, just msg'd him but no response yet... Feb 13 17:05:30 msg is a private conversation, right? Feb 13 17:06:38 right Feb 13 17:07:30 see I wasn't kidding ;) Feb 13 17:08:23 heh... well, we all had to learn sometime :) do you normally use something other than IRC then, or just keep your head down generally...? Feb 13 17:09:35 JHU has IRC blocked at the firewall and I never really had much incentive to try to work around it Feb 13 17:09:54 ah... Feb 13 17:09:55 Right now I've jumped onto a nearby wireless network Feb 13 17:10:17 --> ross (~ross@althur.gotadsl.co.uk) has joined #ui-review Feb 13 17:10:21 right here i am Feb 13 17:10:50 hey ross Feb 13 17:11:19 hi mccann , calum Feb 13 17:11:46 hi ross ... not a great turnout I'm afraid :/ Feb 13 17:11:58 so i see Feb 13 17:12:08 obviously SJ is perfect Feb 13 17:12:10 night all then :) Feb 13 17:12:26 particularly since I'm mostly observing Feb 13 17:12:53 yeah... and I don't have an audio CD handy, so I can't tell what it looks like when it's doing anything useful :) Feb 13 17:13:04 haha Feb 13 17:13:12 * ross finds a CD Feb 13 17:13:44 * calum scouts round the office for one Feb 13 17:13:50 oh typical, a cd not in musicbrainz Feb 13 17:13:56 hehe Feb 13 17:14:31 ross: any chance you could put up some screenshots of it in action, then? Feb 13 17:14:45 just doing that now Feb 13 17:14:51 in process, found a bug :) Feb 13 17:14:59 cool :) Feb 13 17:15:28 * calum finds an unlabelled CD, but it turns out to be a Solaris install disc Feb 13 17:16:21 grr, the only CDs in this room are singles Feb 13 17:16:24 none of which are known by SJ Feb 13 17:16:26 ah well Feb 13 17:16:47 d'oh Feb 13 17:17:15 * ross wonders where printscreen is on apple keyboard Feb 13 17:17:42 heh, I have it bound to Shift+f7 cos there's a picture of a screen on that one :) Feb 13 17:18:13 (on my Powerbook at least...) Feb 13 17:20:31 i found a cd Feb 13 17:20:35 right, burtonini.com/temp/sj-*.png Feb 13 17:20:44 w00t :) Feb 13 17:20:45 sorry for delay, had to stop a puppy eating my skirting board Feb 13 17:20:57 i suppose if no one is looking i can post an iso Feb 13 17:21:45 heh Feb 13 17:22:20 ok, so, looks like this is all we're going to get so we might as well get cracking... Feb 13 17:22:51 might as well start with http://burtonini.com/temp/sj-main.png Feb 13 17:23:07 that is after i inserted a CD Feb 13 17:23:16 right Feb 13 17:23:59 so, I guess one question that springs to mind is... what if I decide it's the wrong CD, where do I go to eject it? would an eject button be useful? Feb 13 17:24:17 eject is Disc->Eject, or the button on the drivee Feb 13 17:24:18 (I see there's a menu item, so maybe not...) Feb 13 17:24:45 yeah... ok, I guess that's more of a feature than a HIG thing anyway, so we'll quickly gloss over that :) Feb 13 17:25:06 the text fields at the top, they look editable, are they? Feb 13 17:25:22 yes Feb 13 17:25:31 only duration isn't Feb 13 17:26:06 is that just so you can edit the info and it'll remember next time you put the same CD in? Feb 13 17:26:20 no, its so that you can fix the metadata Feb 13 17:26:26 persistant storage isn't done yet Feb 13 17:26:34 in this case i'd actually set it to something useful Feb 13 17:26:41 for the vorbis comments etc Feb 13 17:26:56 d'oh... yes, of course, makes sense Feb 13 17:27:08 * calum was still in player mode, forgot we were about to rip :) Feb 13 17:27:37 and SJ only got player mode in the latest release as well Feb 13 17:27:51 yeah :) so, since they're editable, the field labels probably ought to have mnemonics... Feb 13 17:27:59 --> sgarrit1 (~steven@rind.silverorange.com) has joined #ui-review Feb 13 17:28:04 yeah good point Feb 13 17:28:19 hi sgarrit1 ... we're looking at http://burtonini.com/temp/sj-main.png Feb 13 17:28:30 thanks Feb 13 17:28:43 I'm mostly curious about the UI Review process, so I'll primarily be lurking Feb 13 17:28:47 --> joachim-n (~joachim@ACD4AE77.ipt.aol.com) has joined #ui-review Feb 13 17:29:05 ross: not sure bold is strictly necessary either, but I guess I can live with that :) Feb 13 17:29:17 ross: does look a bit better on the duration field, I guess Feb 13 17:29:30 --- calum has changed the topic to: Currently reviewing: http://burtonini.com/temp/sj-main.png Feb 13 17:29:58 i've added a UI review section to live.gnome.org/SoundJuicer in case i miss anything Feb 13 17:30:10 cool... I'm logging the IRC session too Feb 13 17:30:44 not sure if this is pertinent (and might just be a theme thing), but why doesn't the window have a resize gripper in the bottom right corner? Feb 13 17:31:11 yeah, it does on mine, think it must be the theme Feb 13 17:31:17 cool Feb 13 17:31:27 calum: what version? Feb 13 17:31:33 what's the dark rectangle bottom left? it looks like it's a little too high Feb 13 17:31:39 ross: 2.13.4 Feb 13 17:31:54 joachim-n: that's an empty progress-bar (right?) Feb 13 17:31:57 calum: cool, theme issue. just checked gthumb doesnt have one for me either Feb 13 17:32:01 yeah, thats the progress bar Feb 13 17:32:09 i think we're finding a few clearlooks-cairo bugs here Feb 13 17:32:14 yup Feb 13 17:32:16 ross: although I can't actually resize the window until (presumably) I put a CD in... is that intentional? Feb 13 17:32:16 * ross phews at asleep puppy Feb 13 17:32:26 calum: you cant? weird Feb 13 17:32:28 * ross tries Feb 13 17:32:35 when getting track names, does it use the settings in the CD Database preference tool? Feb 13 17:32:36 ross: oh hang on, it's working now... ignore me... Feb 13 17:32:55 joachim-n: no, it uses musicbrainz instead. freedb is pants. it uses the gnomevfs proxy settings though Feb 13 17:33:12 but that prefs tool claims to be system-wide Feb 13 17:33:20 but its pants Feb 13 17:33:28 and gnome-cd is dying soon, which is the only thing that uses it :) Feb 13 17:33:42 seriously, metadata from there is broken in so many ways Feb 13 17:33:43 yeah, that should really die (the CD db pref) Feb 13 17:33:57 good thing I've not updated the docs for it then! Feb 13 17:34:00 heh Feb 13 17:34:23 what do I put in the docs then -- 'Don't use this, it's pants'? Feb 13 17:34:44 just say that its only used by gnome-cd Feb 13 17:34:52 totem doesn't use it either Feb 13 17:36:58 * calum bears this in mind for the next JDS release too :) Feb 13 17:37:32 anyway, back to the screenshots if we may :) Feb 13 17:37:51 i was considering putting a Date: field next to Genre Feb 13 17:37:55 as people seem to want that a lot Feb 13 17:38:10 and genre doesn't need to be that wide (right?) Feb 13 17:38:15 yeah Feb 13 17:38:20 ross: date, or just year? Feb 13 17:38:27 note that genre is a auto-completing combo Feb 13 17:38:29 if you don't put a date, you could also put the duration up there Feb 13 17:38:56 Ogg handles down to the day, and musicbrainz gives me day info Feb 13 17:38:57 to the right of genre - which would also sort-of line it up with the Duration in the track list below Feb 13 17:39:09 ross: ok Feb 13 17:39:12 * calum thinks duration might be better in the status bar, dunno why though Feb 13 17:39:49 in the right of the status bar would sorta/kinda line up with the Duration in the track list too Feb 13 17:39:55 yeah Feb 13 17:40:21 I presume the columns aren't re-orderable/sortable? (Would it be useful if they were?) Feb 13 17:40:30 they are resizable, but that is all Feb 13 17:40:40 no sorting as the track order is The Order Feb 13 17:40:45 and i can't see a point for reordering Feb 13 17:41:08 fair enough, just throwing it out there... I'm inclined to agree... Feb 13 17:41:10 one thing to think about is that i've been considering using a toolbar instead of the buttons at the bottom Feb 13 17:41:22 so crack people can add all sorts of buttons and use it as their main player Feb 13 17:41:29 is it confusing that some columns edit on activation and some start playing? Feb 13 17:41:38 mccann: a little Feb 13 17:41:51 but double-clicking to play is too nice Feb 13 17:41:59 just always double-click in the track number column... Feb 13 17:42:13 right, I don't really have a better suggestion Feb 13 17:42:36 * calum can't really comment on that without having a CD to play with, but might revisit that tomorrow... Feb 13 17:43:06 ross: I actually quite like the buttons down the bottom, kind of puts everything in the right order Feb 13 17:43:20 in the VM, it just says it can't find a CD drive and quits Feb 13 17:43:21 calum: me too Feb 13 17:43:25 even if it's a slightly unusual layout for an app Feb 13 17:43:58 ross: I suppose you could just put a toolbar at the bottom :) Feb 13 17:44:16 oh, that's probably what you meant... Feb 13 17:44:29 * calum always assumes "top" when people mention toolbars Feb 13 17:44:41 i'm not sure Feb 13 17:44:57 there was someone who really wanted a toolbar and i nearly convinced to hack it to try Feb 13 17:45:15 wanna hit the prefs dialog? Feb 13 17:45:31 yeah, go on then... Feb 13 17:45:38 --- calum has changed the topic to: Currently reviewing: http://burtonini.com/temp/sj-prefs.png Feb 13 17:47:13 --> Burgwork (~corey@d66-183-174-128.bchsia.telus.net) has joined #ui-review Feb 13 17:47:28 looks pretty decent at first glance... not clear what the 'sortable' options do for me in the folder/filename dropdowns though? Feb 13 17:48:16 technically they use the sortname Feb 13 17:48:24 "Beatles, The" rather than "The Beatles" Feb 13 17:48:32 ah, I see Feb 13 17:48:49 maybe i need to find an album everyone has heard of the the sample field Feb 13 17:49:39 would there be any common reason for most people not to use that, or is it purely personal preference? Feb 13 17:49:50 i'd say its personal Feb 13 17:49:58 i don't want sortnames in the file system really Feb 13 17:50:22 ok, was just wondering whether it would make a more reasonable default or not Feb 13 17:50:57 but I guess not... Feb 13 17:52:14 does strip special chars make it fat32 (USB storage) compatible? Feb 13 17:52:25 yeah Feb 13 17:52:28 cool Feb 13 17:52:36 without that on it just removes / characters Feb 13 17:52:38 (offtopic a bit) is sortname a hidden field in MP3 tags? Feb 13 17:52:51 joachim-n: not in mp3, but in ogg and everything else yes Feb 13 17:52:58 ah Feb 13 17:53:02 the lame encoder in gstreamer (well, lame) is pants Feb 13 17:53:12 big technical reasons why it can't write decent tags Feb 13 17:54:33 just purely aesthetically, it might look better if the checkboxes aligned with the dropdowns rather than their labels... does look a /wee/ bit cluttered currently Feb 13 17:55:34 might work Feb 13 17:55:36 and is easy to do Feb 13 17:56:06 and in some other dialogs, we've used "Example: Some example stuff" for examples, rather than giving them a full-sized label of their own... that might tidy things up a little too Feb 13 17:56:24 yeah, I thought the same (re: example text) Feb 13 17:56:40 actually, I missed the italics out that example... you can keep those :) Feb 13 17:57:26 so example path would continue across? Feb 13 17:58:09 the "E" of example would go where your first slash is now... Feb 13 17:58:39 and just a space between Example: and the actual example :) Feb 13 17:59:03 yeah Feb 13 17:59:10 so in small italic bold Feb 13 17:59:41 yes, for the "Example:" part, non bold for the rest Feb 13 18:00:08 calum: do you know of an example of another dialog that does that? Feb 13 18:00:37 sgarrit1: Assistive technology prefs is one Feb 13 18:00:55 ah, I see - yeah, that is nice Feb 13 18:01:25 /temp/sj-prefs2.png has moved check boxes Feb 13 18:01:42 nice... I think that looks better Feb 13 18:02:38 --> topyli (~juha@dsl-hkigw3-fe23de00-139.dhcp.inet.fi) has joined #ui-review Feb 13 18:03:10 any other comments on the prefs dialog? Feb 13 18:03:24 hi topyli Feb 13 18:03:38 hi there. lurking here Feb 13 18:03:39 I guess the Edit Profiles button should really have an ellipsis... Feb 13 18:03:47 topyli: feel free :) Feb 13 18:03:54 :) Feb 13 18:05:22 refresh sj-prefs2.png Feb 13 18:06:43 ross: almost what I had in mind... was suggesting aligning that whole line with the dropdown rather than the "File name" label though... Feb 13 18:06:51 ah ok Feb 13 18:06:54 * ross prods Feb 13 18:08:22 refresh again Feb 13 18:08:27 maybe it should go below the check box too Feb 13 18:08:35 then i can actually fix that bug to make that change the path... Feb 13 18:08:52 what would it change? Feb 13 18:09:08 the filename would change Feb 13 18:09:53 ok, sounds worth a try then... although it might actually look better the way it is, just because the checkbox label is shorter than the example... Feb 13 18:11:06 can we put the example in any sort of a frame to set it apart from things the user can interact with? Feb 13 18:11:34 i've update prefs2.png with the label at the bottom Feb 13 18:11:56 hmm, ok, doesn't look too bad... Feb 13 18:12:02 looked a bit better above, but this probably makes more sense Feb 13 18:12:20 * calum agrees Feb 13 18:12:21 i'm going to have to go shortly, wife will be home Feb 13 18:12:37 ok, let's have a quick look at the playing and ripping screenies then Feb 13 18:12:40 * calum has to go soon too Feb 13 18:13:17 joachim-n: do you still think that's necessary now that the example is at the bottom? Feb 13 18:13:36 ah perhaps not. sorry must have missed that Feb 13 18:13:42 I think the example is fine as is Feb 13 18:13:45 joachim-n: it's ok, ross is moving fast :) Feb 13 18:13:45 (now) Feb 13 18:14:01 http://burtonini.com/temp/sj-start-ripping.png then... Feb 13 18:14:09 --- calum has changed the topic to: currently reviewing http://burtonini.com/temp/sj-start-ripping.png Feb 13 18:14:59 is the little icon in the list themable? Feb 13 18:15:21 i think so Feb 13 18:16:09 ok... Feb 13 18:16:26 would Esc activate the Stop button, or only Alt+S? Feb 13 18:16:35 only alt-s Feb 13 18:16:39 should escape? Feb 13 18:16:47 yeah, I think the HIG says it should, let me check... Feb 13 18:17:45 yep... "Place a Stop or Cancel button, which can also be activated by pressing Esc, near the progress animation for the interruptable command." Feb 13 18:17:51 gotta go Feb 13 18:17:55 --> Vic (~victor@87.248.175.182) has joined #ui-review Feb 13 18:17:56 can someone update the wiki or mail me logs? Feb 13 18:17:59 will pop back soon Feb 13 18:18:06 sure... thanks a lot! Feb 13 18:19:37 so, any more comments on sj-start-ripping.png? (I'm guessing not, we've already covered most of this screen...) Feb 13 18:20:53 and http://burtonini.com/temp/sj-mid-ripping.png is the same, apart from the status bar message... any comments on that? Feb 13 18:21:44 only comment I have on the message is that the parentheses probably aren't really required... Feb 13 18:21:45 the "Estimated time left:..." text looks like it's a bit too close to the status bar on the left - could use some padding? Or is that theme-speific? Feb 13 18:21:47 maybe use the multiplication symbol instead of "x" in the statusbar? Feb 13 18:21:59 sgarrit1: agreed, bit more padding would be nice there Feb 13 18:22:03 --> xkahn (~xkahn@nat-pool-bos.redhat.com) has joined #ui-review Feb 13 18:22:34 mccann: yep, that might be nice I guess... Feb 13 18:22:52 * calum wonders how many fonts are broken enough not to have a multiplication symbol :) Feb 13 18:23:28 * joachim-n is off. bye everyone :) Feb 13 18:23:31 anyone have it running there... is the speaker icon in the bottom right actually a volume control, or just a label? Feb 13 18:23:34 joachim-n: bye, thanks! Feb 13 18:23:38 <-- joachim-n has quit (Leaving) Feb 13 18:24:04 control Feb 13 18:24:25 calum: a quick look through some fonts and all seem to have the multiplication symbol Feb 13 18:24:29 mccann: ok, wonder if it should actually look like a button then... Feb 13 18:24:44 sgarrit1: ok :) Feb 13 18:24:53 calum: it looks more like a button when you hover over it Feb 13 18:25:06 mccann: yeah, but would you think to hover over it if it doesn't look like a button :) Feb 13 18:25:37 I guess it would look a bit ugly, but still... Feb 13 18:26:23 my guess is that it is the bacon-volume widget that both totem and rhythmbox use Feb 13 18:26:36 * calum also wonders if "time remaining" would be a bit more correct than "time remaining" Feb 13 18:27:11 mccann: hmm, ok... well, it's in the log now, so ross can choose to act on the observation as he sees fit :) Feb 13 18:27:19 maybe the volume widget should not be sensitive when extracting? Feb 13 18:27:37 (that second remaining should have been "left", of course...) Feb 13 18:27:52 mccann: depends, does it/can it playback while extracting? Feb 13 18:27:58 the widget is indeed bacon-volume-control Feb 13 18:28:26 mccann: Verry much agreed. Also what happens when the progress slider isdraged while ripping? Feb 13 18:28:46 the slider knob looks disabled to me... is it? Feb 13 18:29:26 Nope Feb 13 18:29:33 hm Feb 13 18:29:36 it was :/ Feb 13 18:30:01 its a seek scale, should only appear when playing Feb 13 18:30:17 (when done can someone mail me a log of this) Feb 13 18:30:18 it would be nice if non-draggable sliders had a more obviously different appearance, but that's a gtk issue I guess... Feb 13 18:30:26 ross: yep, I will Feb 13 18:30:38 and i can mail some of these to usability list and release team to get them into 2.14 right? Feb 13 18:31:02 ross: that's what I'm hoping... nobody objected when I suggested it, but nobody actually said we could either :) Feb 13 18:31:45 ross: hrm, I've got a recent cvs, and I can certainly drag the slider while ripping. Feb 13 18:32:36 Vic: eek Feb 13 18:33:11 ok, well I guess we can just note that as a possible bug and move on... any other comments on the ripping screenshots? Feb 13 18:33:58 if not, I guess we'll wrap it up with http://burtonini.com/temp/sj-playing.png Feb 13 18:33:59 How about some status emprovement: What is it doing now? Ripping? Are you sure? Feb 13 18:34:19 Vic: good point... I guess the red dot in the list icon is the only clue... Feb 13 18:34:36 (well, and the burning speed in the status bar) Feb 13 18:34:54 same point about padding for the text in the status bar - goes for all status bar text, I guess Feb 13 18:35:09 calum: and the buttons (Pause vs. Stop) Feb 13 18:35:23 Vic: any suggestions for improving that? I guess you could maybe overlay "Ripping..." on the progress indicator or something... Feb 13 18:35:35 Add something like "Ripping ..." in the title or status bar? Feb 13 18:35:48 sgarrit1: right Feb 13 18:36:35 again, would probably be useful to show the total duration of the selected tracks here somehow as well, I think... Feb 13 18:36:50 rather than just the current track Feb 13 18:37:35 another question for somebody who's running it: can you click anywhere on the slider to jump to that point in the track, or is it one of those annoying sliders where that doesn't work? :) Feb 13 18:38:09 calum: Works just fine while playng Feb 13 18:38:17 ok, cool Feb 13 18:38:29 that always bugs me in totem :) Feb 13 18:39:04 calum: I was under the impression that it was some backend thing, but maybe I'm wrong Feb 13 18:39:10 maybe Feb 13 18:39:21 as a user, I don't really care whose fault it is :) Feb 13 18:39:30 Verry true Feb 13 18:40:01 anyone think it would be useful to have the times actually beside the slider control, or are they fine in the status bar? Feb 13 18:41:34 If you know where else to put them :) Feb 13 18:42:31 not really :) I guess you'd have to do something like the labelling in the mouse capplet, motion tab Feb 13 18:43:21 The current way is also consistent with totem Feb 13 18:43:29 Which is nice Feb 13 18:43:31 yeah, true Feb 13 18:43:44 I guess it makes sense the way it is, then Feb 13 18:44:19 Can I sugest something which is not consistent with totem, etc :) Feb 13 18:44:22 sure Feb 13 18:44:31 10 min of 25 Feb 13 18:44:55 gotta run... Feb 13 18:44:55 <-- sgarrit1 (~steven@rind.silverorange.com) has left #ui-review Feb 13 18:44:56 or something... more human friendly Feb 13 18:46:31 ok... worth thinking about... Feb 13 18:47:24 well, that's us been through all the screenshots... only thing left I can think of is if anyone has any comments on the menus (sorry, don't have a screenshot of those), or any other general comments... Feb 13 18:49:13 only comment I have on the menus is whether "Disc->Submit..." is an obvious enough label... I guess I knew what it meant though :) Feb 13 18:49:52 I was just thinking that. It is probably the only questionable one. Feb 13 18:50:09 ok, have we any better suggestions then...? Feb 13 18:50:39 The Disk ->'Re-read' is disabled for me, but it was enabled when s-j started Feb 13 18:51:12 what text does it use when looking up the disc in musicbrainz? Feb 13 18:51:18 Vic: hmm, ok... another possible bug there then... Feb 13 18:52:16 Maybe. It gets disabled when starting to play, and stays that way. Feb 13 18:52:40 mccann: dunno, can't check right now :/ You're right though, would be a good place to look... Feb 13 18:53:03 also notice the next/prev track shortcuts are inconsistent with totem, but that could equally be totem's fault for picking non-HIGgy shortcuts... Feb 13 18:53:17 Seems like the lookup part (ie opposite of Submit) says "Retrieving track list...please wait." Feb 13 18:53:46 ok, so maybe something like Submit track list? Feb 13 18:53:55 with the right caps, of course :) Feb 13 18:53:58 calum: might be better Feb 13 18:55:10 calum: that's probably as good as it can get without mentioning tech details Feb 13 18:55:25 Could there be a better wording for that? Why would I want to submit my playlist? :) Feb 13 18:55:29 yeah... I'm trying to think what iTunes uses... Feb 13 18:56:06 ah, it uses Submit CD Track Names Feb 13 18:57:00 anyway, sorry, I have to go... I'll leave my log running in case you guys want to discuss anything some more, and I'll send it on to ross later unless he comes back first :) Feb 13 18:57:14 thanks everyone... Feb 13 18:57:29 I gotta go too, bye Feb 13 18:57:35 --- You are now known as calAWAY Feb 13 18:57:53 <-- mccann has quit (Leaving) Feb 13 18:59:25 <-- topyli (~juha@dsl-hkigw3-fe23de00-139.dhcp.inet.fi) has left #ui-review Feb 13 19:10:24 <-- Vic (~victor@87.248.175.182) has left #ui-review Feb 13 20:27:39 --> nsh (~shmyrev@194.88.210.254) has joined #ui-review Feb 13 20:29:11 * nsh hates "Unknown artist, unknown album" and so on Feb 13 21:31:06 nsh: got an alternative? 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