1 <aday> stormy: hi! how are you?
   2 <stormy> Doing good. Ready for some good discussions!
   3 <MainManDave> greetings to all from germany
   4 <aday> stormy: excellent! we had a good one earlier
   5 <vbrummond> hello :)
   6 <aday> MainManDave: hi :)
   7 <metalgod> im here too
   8 <MainManDave> :-)
   9 <Olm1> Hi all !  Greetings from Normandy
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  11 <trans> greetings from INDIA
  12 <aday> OlivierLM, trans: welcome
  13  ok, time to start, i think! welcome to the gnome 3 user day, everyone. it's really good to have you here
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  15 <BLUG_Fred> hi all! greetings from China
  16 <trans> hi
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  18 <aday> this session is intended as a chance to talk to talk with members of the gnome project
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  20 <aday> so feel free to ask questions or raise issues
  21 <trans> so when gnome3 gonna be out officially
  22 <aday> try and make sure that we're only discussing one issue at a time - it'll get confusing otherwise
  23  and just so you know - we might make a log of the session public in the future
  24 <MainManDave> let's do it
  25 <aday> let's!
  26  trans: 6 april is the release date
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  28 <trans> thanks aday
  29 <aday> that's just the release of gnome of course - it will take longer for it to come out on distros
  30 <MainManDave> will the translations be out the same time?
  31 <KaRo> 6. of april seems a bit early? gnome-shell seems not to be stable right now (compiled it a few days ago)
  32 <trans> I'm not gonna wait, I'll install on my desktop right away
  33 <aday> MainManDave: yep, should be
  34 <arctic-ice> what is the best way for "normal" users to contribute to the gnome 3 development? i mean i know that until now there are lots of bugs - should i report them?
  35 <BLUG_Fred> KaRo: I think stability issues are mainly video drivers issues
  36 <aday> KaRo: ui freeze is on monday, i think. it'll be all about stability docs and translation from there on
  37 <trans> there is a docky like thing on the left side, does it pops up if we move cursor to left side or does it show up only when we move to activities
  38 <marcus> is there still a way to change dpi settings within the new system settings?
  39 <BLUG_Fred> KaRo: so from what I know no plan to delay the release
  40 <aday> let's take those questions one at a time!
  41  arctic-ice was next
  42 <BLUG_Fred> MainManDave: translation is starting as we speak if I recall correctly, so it should be available at the same time hopefully
  43 <KaRo> BLUG_Fred: ok - thanks. So feature set is closed and it will be released more or less like it is today?
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  45 <aday> arctic-ice: you asked what the best way is for 'normal' users to contribute
  46 <arctic-ice> yes
  47 <stormy> artic-ice, use the software, file bugs, show it to your friends, spread the word!
  48 <MainManDave> have a party!
  49 <stormy> arctic-ice, that is. :)
  50 <arctic-ice> :)
  51 <RoKAHn> Hi Dave gruß aus Heilbronn
  52 <MainManDave> greetings RoKAHn, only english please
  53 <arctic-ice> so file bugs is okay? wasn't sure because there is such a rapid development in the moment ;)
  54 <aday> arctic-ice: so you could have a go at installing the development code and report some bugs - that would be great
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  57 <aday> arctic-ice: or just telling people about gnome 3 is also a really good way to help
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  59 <MainManDave> you can also put up a message on your blog or website to promote gnome 3
  60 <stormy> arctic-ice, you should always feel free to file bugs you find. If they are fixed or duplicates, they will be closed.
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  62 <arctic-ice> i'll do! like the 3 version very much!
  63 <MainManDave> on the bottom of your email, you can also make a link for more gnome 3 information!
  64 <BLUG_Fred> andre_: can you confirm KaRo 's question please?
  65 <sakana__> sorry, ^__^ what's lastest version of gnome-shell? I saw gnome-shell-2.29.1-1.1 with openSUSE:Tumbleweed:Raw
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  67 <aday> trans asked the next question
  68 <trans> yep
  69 <aday> trans: want to repeat it for everyone?
  70 <CDLUG_guest> hi BLUG_Fred
  71 <trans> there is a docky like thing on the left side, does it pops up if we move cursor to left side or does it show up only when we move to activities
  72 <gbulte> how to make alt tab switch all windows?
  73 <aday> trans: short answer is only when you move to activities
  74 <BLUG_Fred> CDLUG_guest: hi again! :D
  75 <PPyclik> hi, I have a question about GDM in GNOME3 - is it intented to be rewritten, using GNOME Shell's technologies? as far as I see, currently it is just GNOME's 2 GDM with black theme...
  76 <aday> gbulte: i'll add your question to the queue ;)
  77 <gbulte> oh sorry
  78 <vbrummond> facebook is good for that, post a link to gnome3.org and tell your friends to spread it on :)
  79 <CDLUG_guest> :-)
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  81 <marcus> i have also noticed that the dock can only hold a limited number of items, if more are added they are just not displayed.
  82 <aday> trans: there's some more information about that here - http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/FAQ
  83 <a3Dman> Hello people, greetings from Egypt
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  86 <KaRo> marcus: yes and if there are too many the icons get pretty small...
  87 <zerng07> are workspaces still alive in GNOME 3? 
  88  I have tried the iso from www.gnome3.org but cannot find out that feature exactly, and no much information on FAQ
  89 <aday> trans: there will be the opportunity to install extensions in the future though - so you will be able to customise if you want
  90 <marcus> no, not only small. it does not even increase, so some icons won't be shown, either.
  91 <trans> got the answer, I didn't think of that probabilty
  92 <aday> trans: it's not something that will happen until later, but it will happen
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  94 <aday> ok, marcus was next
  95  marcus: something about dpi?!
  96 <MainManDave> next question for the queue: from the view of a developer, what would you say would be the single most important reason to move to gnome 3?
  97 <marcus> yup, i just wanted to know if there is still a way to change dpi settings / fonts within the new system settings?
  98 <trans> aday: but if are looking for something from wiki and creating a document which is based on some info from wiki doesn't it make a long process to switch between apps
  99 <aday> MainManDave: added :)
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 103 <aday> marcus: i don't know the answer to that one right now, i'm afraid
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 105 <aday> marcus: i can try and find out after the session, if you'd like
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 107 <marcus> oki, thanks
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 109 <aday> trans: about it taking a long time to switch apps... that's a complicated question and i think it depends
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 111 <marcus> another question: we are planning a release event in switzerland. are there any sources for flyers and posters available, that we can use?
 112 <andre_> KaRo, GNOME is in feature freeze according to http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointNinetyone/ , but for -shell and related comments it's a "soft" feature freeze. We expect a complete freeze by the end of the month
 113  marcus: see http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/Goodies linked from http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/LaunchParty
 114 <stormy> marcus, yes, you can sign up for some goodies with the GNOME parties team.
 115 <aday> trans: we've tried to make sure that people don't have to switch as much as before (with the inline messaging for instance)
 116 <KaRo> andre_: ok - thanks.
 117 <trans> aday: creating short cut for it might solve the problem
 118 <Raven46> marcus: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=636868
 119 <bugbot> Bug 636868: gnome-shell, normal, Normal, ---, gnome-shell-maint, UNCONFIRMED, font size setting is ignored
 120 <stormy> Is someone keeping track of the questions that we aren't able to answer here?
 121  So we can follow up on them?
 122 <marcus> andre_, i was thinking about a poster source (svg) to announce the event in advance
 123 <aday> stormy: yep
 124 <trans> aday: like tapping on the desktop opens up avtivites( sorry I don't know if it is already implemented, just my opinion)
 125 <stormy> marcus, ask on the marketing list.
 126 <marcus> ok
 127 <stormy> I'm sure we can do that if we don't have it already.
 128 <lithpr> (sorry, i don't know how to put this in the queue).. Will it be possible to have a "classic" gnome2 set up with gnome3?  
 129 <aday> lithpr: i've added you to the list :)
 130 <reinouts> ppl, I know this is the last day to sign up for goodies for a launch party. Can we already sign up without a definitive place & time?
 131 <aday> trans: the other thing is that, with gnome 3, we're trying to help people focus on the task in hand
 132 <BLUG_Fred> marcus: source posters and flyers are all in the attachment section of the wiki page
 133  marcus: svg format
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 135 <aday> trans: and that isn't compatible with a dock or something like that
 136 <lithpr> What is the difference between gnome 3 and gnome shell, if any?
 137 <marcus> BLUG_Fred, going to check, thanks
 138 <aday> lithpr: we'll get back to that in a bit
 139 <lithpr> okay great
 140 <trans> aday: sure I understood its importance, thanks
 141 <aday> trans: mind if we come back to this later? i can try and give you a fuller answer when we're less busy
 142 <may> cdlug_guest?
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 144 <aday> gbulte: you had a question about alt-tab!
 145 <trans> aday:sure, I'll stay here in the channel
 146 <aday> trans: great
 147 <andre_> lithpr: gnome-shell is the central component of the gnome3 user experience, but there's also lots of other changes, e.g. in the control center
 148 <marcus> BLUG_Fred, cannot find any gnome3 related posters on first sight.
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 150 <OlivierLM> push 'Any marketing arguments ready for windows users coming to Gnome ?', @questions_queue
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 152 <gbulte> aday: thank you
 153 <BLUG_Fred> marcus: let me get that for you
 154 <aday> gbulte: want to ask again for the benefit of everyone else?
 155 <gbulte> how to make alt tab switch all windows?
 156 <aday> gbulte: like i mentioned to trans, there will be a desktop extensions system for people who want to use it
 157 <BLUG_Fred> marcus: https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/LaunchParty/Artworks
 158 <aday> gbulte: i'd be surprised if there are some extensions in their to modify the alt-tab switcher
 159  * if there aren't
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 161 <BLUG_Fred> marcus: and so https://live.gnome.org/action/AttachFile/ThreePointZero/LaunchParty/Artworks?action=AttachFile
 162 <aday> gbulte: but that won't be fully up and running until later than 3.0
 163 <gbulte> it does not already? i am not doing something wrong?
 164 <fmuellner> gbulte: you can also use alt+<key-above-tab> to switch between windows of the current app
 165 <trans> BLUG_Fred: nice link
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 167 <aday> gbulte: listen to fmuellner. he makes more sense than me ;)
 168 <BLUG_Fred> trans: i know it by heart ;-)
 169 <aday> gbulte: did fmuellner answer your question?
 170 <gbulte> no. i see that and pressing cursor keys.
 171 <vbrummond> ah cool
 172  good to know with the alt+~ thing thanks!
 173 <gbulte> how to switch all windows at once?
 174 <aday> vbrummond: yeah! it's a good one!
 175 <sakana_> Alt + Tab ?
 176 <aday> gbulte: i'm not sure i follow. are you using gnome shell at the moment?
 177 <MainManDave> suggestion: make a special page on the gnome site for tips and tricks°!
 178 <gbulte> sorry
 179  yes
 180 <sakana_> MainManDave: you can see openSUSE:Tumbleweed:Raw
 181 <arctic-ice> alt+tab doesn't work for me neither in the moment
 182 <sakana_> MainManDave: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/CheatSheet
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 184 <MainManDave> excellent, thx!
 185 <maxi_king_333> how does gnome3 handle multiple monitor setups?
 186 <aday> gbulte, arctic-ice: maybe it's a bug. let's talk about it later - i think we should move on
 187 <gbulte> i press alt tab and cursor keys to switch windows
 188 <sakana_> MainManDave: my pleasure
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 190 <aday> maxi_king_333: i've added your question to the queue!
 191 <gbulte> how to switch only windows?
 192 <arctic-ice> adav: i don't mind - let's go further
 193 <aday> zerng07: you're next up! you were asking about workspaces
 194 <sakana_> what's the lastest verion of gnome-shell?
 195 <BLUG_Fred> OlivierLM: marketing is currently focusing on people moving from GNOME 2. One of the reason is that 3.0 is a .0 release. So any GNOME 2.x generic argument should fit at the moment I would say
 196 <zerng07> thank you, aday
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 198 <aday> zerng07: you were asking if workspaces are still alive in gnome 3. they're very much alive!
 199 <BLUG_Fred> OlivierLM: very few distro will be running 3.0 at the release time, and by the time it is available as a standard we'll be well past 3.0
 200 <aday> zerng07: we had a new workspace switcher land just last week. it's pretty snazzy
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 202 <aday> anybody got a screenshot of that?
 203 <lithpr> now are workspaces a collection of virtual desktops?
 204 <zerng07> oh, it's a good new.
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 206 <aday> lithpr: what's a virtual desktop?
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 208 <OlivierLM> BLUG_Fred: I'm  mostly gonna meet Windows users on my Gnome 3 launch party.  It would have been nice to have « official » argues, though I've already got mine :)
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 210 <lithpr> okay, can you explain what a workspace is?
 211 <Stric> lithpr: same.
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 213 <KaRo> Is there a chance of getting the "multiple workspaces"-view in gnome-shell (as it was in the earlier days?
 214 <zerng07> each workspace hosts different apps at a time?
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 216 <aday> zerng07: each workspace is a set of windows
 217 <Stric> in macosx, it's called Spaces
 218 <zerng07> OK
 219 <aday> zerng07: and you can move windows between them to keep them organised
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 221 <lithpr> oic, i just went to my pager in gnome 2.32, and the "virtual desktops" i was refering to are in fact "workspaces"
 222 <BLUG_Fred> OlivierLM: well consider that the only way to run GNOME 3.0 on launch day will be through alpha/beta quality level distributions or compiling themselves
 223 <MainManDave> good point
 224 <vbrummond> same concept, but must more hands on, natural and well thought out in my opinion
 225 <BLUG_Fred> OlivierLM: what I suggest is either to start a discussion on the marketing mailing list or on the gugmasters mailing list
 226 <andre_> ...or the live image
 227 <fmuellner> screenshot of the new workspace switcher: http://img96.imageshack.us/i/screenshot2ri.png/
 228 <aday> fmuellner: thanks!
 229 <fmuellner> aday: np
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 231 <barcode_> hehe, just figured out where they are and created a bunch of space
 232 <MainManDave> last (probably) question for the queue: will there be a romanian translation on the release date?
 233 <aday> the workspace switcher is the thing on the right of the screen
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 235 <OlivierLM> BLUG_Fred: No pb for that.  I've got a 2.91.6.1 running on my demo machine (Archlinux).  I'll upgrade it asap
 236 <BLUG_Fred> barcode_: hey you're back! there is also a live Fedora CD by the way
 237 <aday> ok, let's move on - there are lots more questions
 238 <MainManDave> yes
 239 <aday> MainManDave: you asked about why developers should move to gnome 3
 240 <andre_> MainManDave: I don't know how powerful the ro team is, but you contact them - See http://l10n.gnome.org/teams/ro for more info
 241 <BLUG_Fred> OlivierLM: well bringing up the discussion on the mailing list (either one) can and will help others. I think it'd be nice if you did initiate the thread
 242 <sakana_> **Fedora with GNOME 3 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-02-03_GNOME3_Alpha#Live_image
 243 <BLUG_Fred> sakana_: thanks
 244 <andre_> MainManDave: translation help is always welcome :)
 245 <sakana_> BLUG_Fred: do you want openSUSE with GNOME 3 ?
 246 <MainManDave> there are respresentatives from ro here on the chat
 247 <OlivierLM> BLUG_Fred: Noted
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 249 <BLUG_Fred> MainManDave: for dev GNOME 3 provides better touch support , web technologies integrated in the desktop and probably more
 250 <MainManDave> understood
 251 <lithpr> So is an "activity" in gnome3 a collection of workspaces?
 252  like it is in KDE?
 253 <marcus> another little question: will it again  be possible to change the keyboard layout / language in gdm?
 254 <BLUG_Fred> sakana_: no thanks. I was following up with barcode_ about a question asked during the previous session
 255 <aday> MainManDave: gnome 3 is going to be simpler and quicker to use as a developer platform
 256 <MainManDave> got it
 257 <aday> MainManDave: and you get enhancing theming, animations ... everything's better, basically
 258 <MainManDave> and faster?
 259 <trans> multi-touch support available in gnome3?
 260 <aday> MainManDave: yes
 261 <BLUG_Fred> MainManDave: fwiw GIMP is already on GTK3 and very happy with some of those improvements 
 262 <MainManDave> good arguments
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 264 <aday> trans: multi-pointer yes. touch no - that will need to come from something else
 265 <sakana_> How can I add short cut  on pannel with GNOME 3?
 266 <aday> trans: we're getting the foundations
 267 <trans> kernel 
 268  am I right?
 269 <aday> sakana_: i'll come back to that, if that's ok
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 271 <sakana_> aday: thanks you
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 273 <aday> lithpr: i'll answer quickly - then we can move on - an activity is broader than a workspace in gnome 3 
 274  lithpr: activity basically means 'stuff you are doing'. we're not really telling users how they should workspaces
 275  * how they should use
 276  lithpr: does that make sense?
 277  lithpr: ah, you're next on my list too - you asked: 'Will it be possible to have a "classic" gnome2 set up with gnome3?'
 278  does someone else want to answer that?
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 282 <MainManDave> nobody can answer that question?
 283 <gpoo> gnome-panel is place
 284 <aday> lithpr: ok... there will be a fallback mode in gnome 3, which is a bit similar to gnome 2
 285 <gpoo> is in place
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 288 <sakana_> I have a question to list "If I install gnome-shell with lastest version  ==  GNOME 3  ?   for  end user"
 289 <aday> sakana_: done
 290  :)
 291 <sakana_> aday: really
 292  aday: how to do that
 293 <lithpr> okay, thanks
 294  is there a screenshot of the fallback mode?
 295 <precio> I have a question: "How Gnome3 and gnome-shell solves the problem of multimonitor environment?"
 296 <zerng07> you mean if gnome-shell = GNOME3 or not?
 297 <sakana_> zerng07: yes, for end user -- Because we will have launch Part at Taiwan
 298 <aday> lithpr: i don't have one to hand. the point is, we'd really like people just to use fallback if they really have to. the full gnome 3 desktop is where all the cool stuff is happening, and it's where all the improvements are going to go
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 300 <barcode_> i actually wanna see gnome3 on a mobile phone. Would be working really well with a touch screen
 301 <lithpr> okay, thanks
 302 <aday> sakana_: that's actually the next question in the list! :)
 303 <precio> I mean, that in gnome2 when you have 2 or more monitors, the "solution" is to extend the desktop size, and more ore less, it works... but in other engines, you can have differents desktops on the different screens
 304 <aday> precio: can we come back to that question? i've made a note of it
 305 <precio> aday: "How Gnome3 and gnome-shell solves the problem of multimonitor environment?"
 306 <aday> lithpr and sakana_ asked what the difference is between gnome shell and gnome 3
 307  precio: yes, i'll make sure we come back to that question
 308 <andre_> I tried to answer this by " gnome-shell is the central component of the gnome3 user experience, but there's also lots of other changes, e.g. in the control center"
 309 <precio> aday: thanks, it's important to me to continue using gnome3
 310 <aday> gnome 3 is a lot more than gnome shell - it is the new control center, the theme, changes to applications and improvements to the underlying technologies
 311 <BLUG_Fred> precio: what is the multi monitor problem?
 312  saispo sakana_
 313 <precio> BLUG_Fred: some desktop evironments uses each monitor as a independent desktop
 314 <aday> sakana_, lithpr: gnome shell is central to gnome 3, and you get a good impression of gnome 3 if you use it, but you're not getting the full experience
 315 <precio> BLUG_Fred: but gnome2 does not do it this way
 316 <aday> sakana_: so for your party, you could just run gnome shell, but it would be better to have the full gnome 3 if you can
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 319 <sakana_> aday: Yes, so that's the reason I want to know the diff
 320 <aday> sakana_: does that make sense?
 321 <sakana_> aday: Because many users ask me, what's diff to me for GNOME 2 and Windows
 322 <BLUG_Fred> precio: from what I see on my session GNOME 3 handles multi monitors the same way. Why do you think it is a problem?
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 325 <aday> sakana_: that's a big question!
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 327 <sakana_> aday: I study some of web page for GNOME 3,
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 329 <BLUG_Fred> OlivierLM: see, seems you're not the only one ;-)
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 331 <OlivierLM> BLUG_Fred: hehe
 332 <sakana_> aday: Yes, A big question need a good slide to answer
 333 <maxi_king_333> BLUG_Fred: Is there any screenshot of a multi monitor setup?
 334 <aday> sakana_: personally, i would stick to the advantages of gnome 3, rather than trying to make comparisons
 335 <jclinton> maxi_king_333: no, there aren't
 336 <aday> it's easier
 337 <jclinton> maxi_king_333: multimonitor won't be optimized in time for 3.0
 338 <BLUG_Fred> maxi_king_333: jclinton beat me to it! :)
 339 <aday> OlivierLM: does that answer your question too?
 340 <jclinton> maxi_king_333: but it's on the roadmap
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 342 <BLUG_Fred> jclinton: someone was asking about the expected behavior and whether GNOME 3.0 would handle the multimonitor configurations the same way as GNOME 2.x
 343 <maxi_king_333> ok
 344  thx
 345 <BLUG_Fred> jclinton: it was precio actually, but others might be interested
 346 <MainManDave> time is - unfortunately - running out, can we wrap up?
 347 <OlivierLM> aday: It's an answer for me, but windows users are so humm... messy ?
 348 <sakana_> aday: what's the best advantages for end users -- no comparisons
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 351 <sakana_> aday: you must tell me how to add short cut to the pannel
 352  aday:  ^__^
 353 <aday> OlivierLM: heh. well it's interesting, because i think there's a general consensus that windows don't do good design
 354  sakana_: don't worry, i haven't forgotten! :)
 355 <jclinton> precio: the situation with multimonitor for 3.0 is that it will work but it's not an ideal experience because the panel will not be easily accessible and the workspace management doesn't really make a lot of sense
 356 <sakana_> aday: Thanks you <(_ _)>
 357 <aday> ok, MainManDave is right - we're running out of time!
 358 <OlivierLM> absolutly.  What I think is that there's nothing like trying
 359  and then love it
 360 <aday> there are a couple of questions left on my list - i'll try and round up quickly and then we can finish
 361  there is another session later today, if you are awake then. and we will hopefully hold more sessions in the future
 362 <jclinton> marcus: it will be possible to change all of those i18n settings and also a11y settings in GDM, yes
 363 <aday> so don't worry if you haven't had chance to ask your question yet :)
 364 <marcus> jclinton, thanks
 365 <jclinton> sakana_: there will be no shortcuts allowed on the panels in 3.0
 366 <OlivierLM> Well : thanks BLUG_Fred, aday
 367 <OlivierLM> Bye all
 368 <jclinton> sakana_: or at any time during the 3.x release; the design is to put shortcuts on the dash
 369 <aday> OlivierLM: no problem - thanks for coming
 370 <precio> jclinton: I really don't understand
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 372 <precio> jclinton: did you mean that it stays the same way?
 373 <jclinton> precio: I mean that Shell is aware of the multimonitor configuration and there is an improved multimonitor configuration applet in the control panel but the user experience hasn't been optimized for that use case yet
 374  precio: I am writing you this from inside a multimonitor setup with GNOME Shell
 375 <sakana_> jclinton: Orz..........
 376 <precio> jclinton: ok
 377 <jclinton> sakana_: sorry?
 378 <maxi_king_333> jclinton: can you please make a screenshot?
 379 <aday> sakana_: did you understand the answer about shortcuts?
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 381 <sakana_> aday: no,
 382 <KaRo> dady: what is meant by the "dash"?
 383 <sakana_> simple for work?
 384 <precio> jclinton: I asked because I see that "awesome" for example make the different monitors are actually different desktop, and I think that's  a very good approach
 385 <BLUG_Fred> i think since we're all here, we can continue to answer a few questions, or continue the discussion
 386  after all that's what #gnome is for :D
 387 <jclinton> KaRo: the dash is the shortcuts list that flies out from the left-hand side in the overview
 388 <KaRo> jclinton: thx.
 389 <jclinton> maxi_king_333: here is a screenshot but please do not distribute: http://people.gnome.org/~jclinton/Screenshot.png
 390 <aday> sakana_: so yes, you can drag launchers to the dash that jclinton just described, and that acts as a place took shortcuts
 391  *to keep
 392 <gpoo> precio: afaik, that is more an issue with xrandr than anything else.
 393 <jclinton> precio: a similar approach is what has been proposed
 394 <precio> jclinton: that's great
 395 <sakana_> aday: I got it ~~ 
 396 <jclinton> gpoo: no, the multimonitor proposal is essentially what awesome does
 397 <aday> sakana_: good :)
 398 <sakana_> aday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tIJv3OHpjs  do you know how to do that?
 399 <precio> jclinton: but it will not be avaiable to the relase of gnome3, isn't?
 400 <sakana_> aday: how to do that ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tIJv3OHpjs
 401 <vbrummond> sakana_ i think that is a wholly faux video
 402 <jclinton> precio: right there's still work to do on it; the design proposed is to make the overview only show windows from the monitor on which the overview comes
 403 <MainManDave> time for me to hit it, thanks to aday and all others for the good chat and excellent information, all the best to all and until the next chat...
 404 <aday> sakana_: and it is *old*
 405 <jclinton> precio: supplemental monitors are permanent non-workspace manged areas
 406 <maxi_king_333> jclinton: thank you - it's like gnome2
 407 <aday> yes, thanks everyone!
 408  it's been great talking to you all!
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 410 <dneary> hi all
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 412 <jclinton> s/manged/managed
 413 <precio> jclinton: perfect, thanks!
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 415 <dneary> wow! Impressed with the activity
 416 <sakana_> Thanks you
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 418 <BLUG_Fred> dneary: hey!
 419 <precio> and other question: "what should be do with old applets? like Hamster time tracker"
 420 <vbrummond> same all, thank for answering my questions during the first session :)
 421 <BLUG_Fred> dneary: aday has been fantastic!
 422 <vbrummond> i bit you farewell
 423  bid*
 424 <aday> vbrummond: see you around :)
 425 <jclinton> sakana_: regarding your question about GNOME Shell installation; if you install the jhbuild using the build instructions large parts of the GNOME 3 experience are included
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 428 <jclinton> sakana_: including the new theme, new control center and new symbolic icons
 429  sakana_: but to get the applications you would need to build all of GNOME which would take a really long time
 430 <jjardon> precio, convert it into a standalone app
 431 <sakana_> jclinton: some member of us -- use jhbuild compile fail
 432 <jjardon> in most of the cases
 433 <jclinton> sakana_: then that problem needs to be solved; it should always work
 434 <precio> jjardon: but it will be no way to make it persistent to the view?
 435 <lithpr> oh no!  life without hamster... i hadn't thought of that :O
 436 <BLUG_Fred> sakana_: it works most of the time. Sometimes I need to select 6 and YES and then it passes
 437 <jclinton> sakana_: please join #gnome-shell and use a pastebin to get help with compiling with jhbuild
 438 <precio> jjardon: i really love hamster applet on my work
 439 <BLUG_Fred> it seems there are some bogus file conflicts on the first pass
 440 <aday> lithpr, precio: don't worry. the hamster will live :)
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 442 <jclinton> precio: the situation with applets is that applets that are ported to the new API will continue to work in the GNOME 3 Fallback Mode
 443  precio: Hamster's developers haven't done this, though
 444 <sakana_> jclinton: I use openSUSE, so I install gnome-shell with openSUSE:Tumbleweed
 445 <precio> jclinton: that's no good :-(
 446 <jjardon> precio, for that very few use cases, you can put a permanent icon in the user notification area
 447 <lithpr> thanks aday, this was very interesting
 448 <jclinton> precio: going forward applets will not be allowed in the GNOME Shell panel but they can create persistent icons in the message tray or possibly though an as yet undefined widget system
 449 <precio> aday: i really hope so
 450 <lithpr> i did the whole fedora gnome3 test day- it was cool.
 451 <andre_> sakana_, in case jhbuild *building* fails more info and explaining more about the problem is welcome, e.g. in #gnome-love
 452 <aday> lithpr: good talking to you
 453  precio: we all love hamster too - we've just got to make the transition
 454 <sakana_> andre_: thanks ^0^
 455 <precio> aday: I use it a lot on my work, and implement some little plugin to it... i still want to use it, thanks a lot :D
 456 <jjardon> Take a look here: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/Gizmos
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 459 <precio> well, gnome 3 really look good, but I hope that do not force me to use XFCE or even worse... KDE!!!
 460  :p
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 462 <aday> precio: it's getting better all the time. i think it's going to be special
 463 <metalgod> precio, of course we need the community to improve our quality
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 467 <precio> aday, metalgod: to be honest, my first look to gnome shell was not very good, but now I think that will be good...
 468 <aday> precio: it has improved *a lot*
 469 <lithpr> "change.  we fear change"
 470 <aday> hee hee!
 471 <precio> aday: I really hope so :) I really love GNOME, and I want to love it a lot of more time!
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 473 * reinouts is still using an old incarnation of gnome-shell (f14) - but noticed there's no way to edit launchers from the activities list. Has this been improved?
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 475 <jclinton> reinouts: any application which you create a shortcut for in .local/share/applications will show up in the full Applications list
 476 <fmuellner> reinouts: nope
 477 <jclinton> reinouts: that includes those which are created through the Nautilus launchers UI
 478  fmuellner: :)