1 <aday> hi all! it's the first gnome 3 user day starting here in 5 minutes, so get comfy
   2 * aday makes coffee
   3 <andre_> coffee, yeah.
   4 <barcode> just spilled coffee over keyboard  now
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   7 <aday> okay, looks like it's time to start
   8 <kinshuk> lets begin
   9 <eyedol> haha, finished mine a while ago
  10 <pockeylam> yeah, let's start! 
  11 <aday> great! so, welcome to the first gnome 3 user day
  12  i hope you all got here alright
  13 <eyedol> thanks aday
  14 <BLUG_Fred> i'm having tea.. and famous French "pain au chocolat"... free for all in the room
  15 <eyedol> i'm sure others are getting on
  16 <aday> the idea of this session is to give people a chance to ask any questions that they might have about the new release
  17 <BLUG_Fred> or if anyone if thinking to try GNOME 3 and not sure how... it's time to shoot
  18 <kinshuk> i want to try gnome 3 in my day to day working, i tried the image version of it, but its too controlled an environment
  19 <eyedol> yeah wanted to know how to upgrade from an older version of gnome to gnome 3
  20 <kinshuk> is gnome3 stable enough for that sort of user testing ?
  21 <BLUG_Fred> kinshuk: have you tried compiling from source? I do it once a week and it's definitely stupid-proof (I can do it so..)
  22 <kinshuk> s/stable/ready
  23 <aday> kinshuk, eyedol: both good questions
  24 <eyedol> as a party release organizers, i'm hoping to hold a session that will allow users to upgrade from an existing gnome install
  25 <BLUG_Fred> kinshuk: i know a few people using it daily yes
  26 <kinshuk> same here, i am doing a release party too
  27  i didnt try compiling from source, as i have messed up in past with other projects, due to lack of technical understanding
  28  sicne its stupid proof, i will try do that right away
  29 <aday> the release is only for gnome 3 - it'll be a little while until there are stable distros that you can install
  30  but you could use the development version of debian or fedora to install the full version of gnome 3 on 6 april
  31 <BLUG_Fred> kinshuk: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/#Building
  32 <aday> BLUG_Fred: right - the other option is to build some key parts of gnome 3 from source
  33 <eyedol> aday: great
  34 <aday> that'll give you a good taste, though it's not the full experience
  35 <kinshuk> BLUG_Fred, follow that step by step ?
  36 <eyedol> so if i'm on say ubuntu and want to show off gnome 3, i have to compile from source I guess
  37  I need to read the docs regarding that
  38 <BLUG_Fred> aday: oh.. i do the whole shebang and i've been really impressed by the ease of it. I once had to visit #gnome-shell for 1 issue. Someone told me which file to edit and I was up and running in no time.
  39 <BLUG_Fred> kinshuk: yes
  40 <aday> eyedol: right now, yes. there will be a ppa in the future, but it isn't up to date right now
  41 <eyedol> aday: got it
  42 <BLUG_Fred> kinshuk: i'm building now.. since I didn't do it this week yet. And someone pinged me yesterday about how great were the new workspaces... 
  43 <eyedol> is there a doc for compiling on Ubuntu
  44 <aday> BLUG_Fred: oh yes, it works for gnome shell, but that isn't the whole gnome 3
  45 <eyedol> here, alot of people run ubuntu
  46 <BLUG_Fred> aday: oh.. right. sorry for confusing people
  47 <aday> BLUG_Fred: you don't get the new stack, theme, application improvements, etc...
  48 <kinshuk> i am doign that side by side as well
  49 <eyedol> so I need to be able to get it running on ubuntu just for demo sake on that day
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  51  BlanchardJ BLUG_Fred
  52 <aday> eyedol: the link that BLUG_Fred gave works on ubuntu
  53 <kinshuk> also documenting steps i had to follow
  54 <aday> eyedol: and you can ask in #gnome-shell if you run into problems. they're really helpful in there
  55 <eyedol> great
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  57 <kinshuk> sounds good
  58  #gnome-shell is also on irc.gnome.org ?
  59 <BLUG_Fred> aday: so actually to get the whole stack one need to try one of the liveCDs available is that correct?
  60 <BLUG_Fred> kinshuk: yes
  61 <aday> BLUG_Fred: or run fedora rawhide
  62 <kinshuk> how does the fedora rawhide work ?
  63 <pedrocr> is multimonitor a focus of gnome3? gnome2 is pretty basic at handling it and last I tried gnome-shell it wasn't very good about it
  64 <kinshuk> after i set up rawhide, i still follow the same build instructions ?
  65 <aday> kinshuk: no, rawhide already has gnome 3
  66 <BLUG_Fred> I think rawhide is native GNOME 3
  67 <kinshuk> oh
  68 <aday> kinshuk: it is what will be fedora 15
  69  pedrocr: that's a question a few people have asked
  70 <kinshuk> then that is the easiest way for me, i am already running fedora 14, i just need to upgrade into rawhide
  71 <BLUG_Fred> aday: in my announcements I include the daily ISO files from rawhide as well
  72 <aday> BLUG_Fred: cool
  73 <pedrocr> aday, today? sorry I didn't see them
  74 <aday> pedrocr: no, previously ;)
  75  pedrocr: i don't use multi-monitor myself, but i know that it is being worked on for gnome 3
  76 <pedrocr> I need to try a recent gnome-shell then
  77 <BLUG_Fred> i use 2 monitors and it's running ok here. but i don't do anything fancy neither
  78 <pedrocr> It was broken for me for a long time
  79  BLUG_Fred, can you put the top bar on any monitor you want?
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  81 <BLUG_Fred> pedrocr: well it kept my gnome 2 settings.. i didn't try to change them
  82 <pedrocr> The problem I had was it defaulted to the large (external) monitor instead of the laptop screen
  83 <aday> my understanding (which might be wrong) is that you'll be able to set the primary monitor using the system settings
  84 <pedrocr> sounds good
  85 <aday> and that's the monitor which gets the top bar
  86 <BLUG_Fred> pedrocr: so mine the 'panel' is on my laptop screen also
  87  pedrocr: but it's also my "highest" resolution
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  89 <mib_tkkcfv> 河llo
  90 <pedrocr> that's the minimum, what I miss is good transitions from 1 to 2 monitors and back
  91 <mib_tkkcfv> hello
  92 <andre_> hi
  93 <kinshuk> is there an official video showing whats new in gnome 3 or sorts ? for mass consumption ?
  94 <BLUG_Fred> mib_tkkcfv: 哈llo
  95 <pedrocr> I'll retest it
  96 <BLUG_Fred> ;-)
  97 <mib_tkkcfv> 呵呵
  98 <andre_> kinshuk: it is planned, but not ready yet. still a few UI changes from time to time...
  99 <eyedol> hehe
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 101 <eyedol> kinshuk: good question 
 102 <kinshuk> how can a non-programmer like me contribute ?
 103 <eyedol> kinshuk: maybe make the video if it doesn't exist yet?
 104 <aday> kinshuk: some videos are being worked on. we should hopefully have them on gnome3.org soon
 105 <andre_> kinshuk, https://live.gnome.org/JoinGnome is a starting point
 106 <BLUG_Fred> kinshuk: screencasts  I would, running a User Group also
 107  I would say
 108 <kinshuk> i can try screencasts, once i get it running on my base system
 109 <aday> kinshuk: i'm not a programmer, and i do quite a lot of work on gnome :)
 110 <kinshuk> also contribute bug reports and feedback
 111 <eyedol> kinshuk: good stuff
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 113 <BLUG_Fred> kinshuk: my experience is that user group management skills is usually inversely proportional to technical skills ;-)
 114 <kinshuk> BLUG_Fred, but at times, user group management is sad, you know, with everyone else doing the awesome stuff :P
 115  i have been managing various local user groups for last 3 years, at times i yearn to fight from the front
 116 <BLUG_Fred> kinshuk: well you part is to make these people meet each others. You get to meet tons of really amazing people as well
 117 <aday> kinshuk: user group management is pretty awesome, i'd say!
 118 <BLUG_Fred> kinshuk: and you can try little things... 
 119 <kinshuk> true
 120  on all 3 counts
 121 <BLUG_Fred> kinshuk: thanks to UG management I've improved my web dev skills, my GIMP and Inkscape skills and now manage a python project
 122 <kinshuk> hmmm
 123 <BLUG_Fred> kinshuk: and I even have a 3D printer at home.. (which I still haven t assembled)
 124 <kinshuk> so where is a list of yet to be done things for gnome 3 promotions ?
 125 <BLUG_Fred> kinshuk: right now we're trying to put up some 'get started developing on GNOME for dummies' slides...
 126 <kinshuk> how can i contribute to that ?
 127 <BLUG_Fred> kinshuk: where are you based?
 128 <kinshuk> Delhi, India
 129 <aday> any more questions about gnome 3? who here as tried it?
 130 <pockeylam> kinshuk, we have a resource page: http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/LaunchParty/Resources
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 132 <pockeylam> kinshuk, we are looking for people to volunteers to do a few things like making presentations and upload their presentations
 133 <BLUG_Fred> great! Are you planning to attend GNOME.Asia Summit?
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 135 <kinshuk> BLUG_Fred, will be missing out on GNOME.Asia summit, I initially wanted to help organise it, but things didnt work out
 136 <pockeylam> kinshuk, a count down , screen cast (with sub titles so easier to localize) 
 137 <kinshuk> I am pretty new to GNOME communities, though a user for last 3 years
 138 <BLUG_Fred> kinshuk: well we can definitely use some help
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 140 <kinshuk> BLUG_Fred, i am in
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 142 <CDLUG_Ox0spy> hi
 143 <BLUG_Fred> kinshuk: we have a mailing list for gnome.asia actually. best is probably to register and start discussing there
 144 <pockeylam> kinshuk, it's gnome-asia-list@gnome.org
 145 <aday> CDLUG_Ox0spy: hi :)
 146 <BLUG_Fred> CDLUG_Ox0spy: hey! how's Chengdu?
 147 <CDLUG_Ox0spy> wait a minute, meeting time
 148 <BLUG_Fred> kinshuk: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-asia-list
 149 <kinshuk> BLUG_Fred, are you from India too 
 150  ?
 151 <BLUG_Fred> eyedol: where are you from?
 152  kinshuk: nope. I'm French living in China
 153 <kinshuk> ok
 154 <BLUG_Fred> kinshuk: but I hope to attend the GNOME.Asia Summit
 155 <eyedol> BLUG_Fred: I'm from Ghana but based in Nairobi
 156  Kenya
 157 <BLUG_Fred> eyedol: cool.. the land of the wild!
 158 <eyedol> BLUG_Fred: :-) yeah come visit
 159 <BLUG_Fred> eyedol: how is GNOME/Linux adoption over there? do you have a user Group?
 160  i wish...
 161 <eyedol> well, I got here 2 weeks ago but back home in Ghana, Linux / GNOME is well adopted
 162  people use Ubuntu alot back home
 163  here too I have seen couple people using Linux / GNOME
 164 <barcode> eyedol: people use a lot of ubuntu everywhere (for the moment being)
 165 <eyedol> especially here at the iHub; http://ihub.co.ke where I work from
 166  barcode: I see
 167 <aday> eyedol: looks cool!
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 169 <eyedol> I know there a couple of fedora ambassadors here 
 170  I'm working with them to get the release party happen here at the iHub
 171 <aday> eyedol, barcode: either of you tried the live image?
 172 <eyedol> aday: I haven't but I plan exploring it this weekend
 173 <eyedol> I have attempted compiling gnome 3 in the early stages
 174  but didn't succeed I haven't tried it yet
 175 <barcode> aday:  unfortunately not yet, it's now on the agenda for this evening
 176 <eyedol> maybe I could give it shot this weekend to get me started with it
 177 <BLUG_Fred> eyedol: nice website...
 178 <aday> barcode, eyedol: cool. it's a little out of date... things are moving pretty quickly right now
 179 <eyedol> Great. which means I need to give it a shot real quick
 180 <aday> we're still waiting for the theme to get fully implemented
 181 <BLUG_Fred> barcode: btw D- was asking if there was a default Tuesday tonight?
 182 <eyedol> thanks BLUG_Fred 
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 184 <barcode> BLUG_Fred: there is! I'll give him a SMS
 185 <aday> this is what the theme is going to look like when it's done - http://gitorious.org/gnome-design/gnome-design/blobs/raw/master/mockups/theming/widget-factory.png
 186 <vbrummond> wow aday, i like it
 187 <aday> vbrummond: yeah! :D
 188 <BLUG_Fred> eyedol: do you do 'free' events in your space? running a Linux/GNOME User Group could attract people
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 190 <aday> vbrummond: we have some amazing designers who've worked on it
 191 <eyedol> yeah we do
 192  BLUG_Fred: looking into that. I just moved here couple weeks ago
 193 <BLUG_Fred> eyedol: oh right.. i understand
 194 <vbrummond> well they did great :)
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 196 <aday> vbrummond: and we have some new widgets in gnome 3, like the switches
 197 <vbrummond> yeah, ill have to get up to speed for my web browser project and see whats new I can add
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 199 <aday> vbrummond: cool. there is a switching guide for gnome 2 apps
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 201 <kinshuk> i am setting up rawhide right now, and will look through the resources and being part of gnome 3 and pitch in wherever i can tonight 
 202 <aday> vbrummond: one thing you can do now is pass a web search to a browser from the gnome 3 overview
 203 <vbrummond> aday, yup, i love that, using gnome-shell from git right now
 204 <BLUG_Fred> kinshuk: most of us are here all the time (when we're not sleeping). so please do feel free to ping us if you're lost
 205 <aday> vbrummond: yeah, me too - such a nice touch. really thoughtful
 206 <kinshuk> will do
 207 <vbrummond> well the new workspace logic is what I am liking, cleans up virtual desktops after me automatically
 208 <aday> kinshuk: yes, stay in touch! we need lots of people testing gnome 3 before the release
 209  fedora had a test day recently which sounded really successful
 210  participating in something like that is really good way to get involved
 211 <eyedol> is there a test day for gnome 3
 212 <aday> eyedol: the fedora test day was also a gnome 3 test day
 213 <eyedol> aday: same thing eh
 214 <aday> eyedol: you don't have to be a fedora user to take part
 215 <eyedol> get it
 216  I will get a debian running.
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 218 <vbrummond> debian <3
 219 <eyedol> along side ubuntu
 220 <aday> eyedol: i haven't tried that option, but i hear it's a good way to run gnome 3
 221 <sebsebseb> I nearly forgot about this, but now I am here :)
 222 <aday> sebsebseb: welcome!
 223 <pockeylam> One side note here: for any GNOME 3 party organizer who hasn't submitted their delivery information to us yet, please go to http://gnome.asia/Gnome3Parties/Submission/ to fill out and submit the form today, thanks!
 224 <eyedol> pockeylam: thanks
 225 <BLUG_Fred> sebsebseb: you still have 2 other time slots eventually
 226 <aday> sebsebseb: anything you wanted to ask?
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 228 <sebsebseb> yeah I know another two sessions later, are they all the same or not?
 229 <aday> sebsebseb: yep
 230 <andre_> it's just to cover some more timezones :)
 231 <sebsebseb> ok good stuff :) and yeah I did forgot about  this, but  then I remembered :)
 232 <vbrummond> i will try to make at least one other session im interested in lurking and learning a bit :)
 233 <aday> vbrummond: cool. anything in particular that you're interested in?
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 236 <vbrummond> hmm, mostly about the shell, it seems like it has huge potential to make excellent themes for i was wondering when it would be steady enough to do so without it being incompatible after an update
 237 <sebsebseb> I wonder when missing features from Gnome 2, like the weather feature, will be in Gnome Shell :)
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 239 <vbrummond> oh yeah, and i tried the "zoom" feature in the shell, pure genius
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 241 <aday> vbrummond: there's a nice theming community on deviantart already. seems llike there's some exciting possibilities there
 242  vbrummond: there is also support to have firefox-like extensions for gnome shell (though that stuff probably won't come in until 3.2)
 243  i'm pretty excited by that
 244 <vbrummond> yeah, and ill bet it finally will be easy to make your UI really themed, I want to make a steampunk themed dash eventually :)
 245 <kinshuk> i will leave for now, will catch up later.. bai
 246 <aday> sebsebseb: we do have designs for a weather thingy for gnome 3. not sure what the status is for that...
 247 <sebsebseb> aday: yeah 3.2 that's when weather feature will be in Gnome Shell probably as well or?  Now that is the only feature I would miss from Gnome 2 or pretty much I guess. 
 248 <BLUG_Fred> kinshuk: bye and thanks.
 249 <aday> kinshuk: yes, see you!
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 252 <aday> sebsebseb: can't say exactly when it'll be done. might just take a hacker to step up
 253 <al_shopov> Are the scripts of the sessions available?
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 255 <sebsebseb> well I still need to try later Gnome Shell some how, but seen on sites and such,  but I get the impression it will lack some features from Gnome 2, like weather for example yeah,  and then they will appear a bit later many  of them it seems, so good stuff :)
 256 <vbrummond> i prefer shell to unity, it feels more productive, but I do like both
 257 <aday> al_shopov: i'll try and put a log up, if people are interested
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 260 <aday> sebsebseb: we've worked pretty hard to make sure that the shell isn't missing anything vital
 261 <BLUG_Fred> aday: if so could you obfuscated pockeylam 's email address please? 
 262 <sebsebseb> vbrummond: yeah I am not that keen on  Unity when it came to previous trying, but it's good two interfaces are being made that should both help to innovate Desktop Linux quite nicely over time :)
 263 <aday> sebsebseb: there were some quite comprehensive reviews
 264  BLUG_Fred: sure - good point
 265 <vbrummond> i get addicted to the way alt+tab works in shell
 266 <sebsebseb> aday: reviews ?
 267 <aday> sebsebseb: analysis
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 269 <sebsebseb> got a link?
 270 <BLUG_Fred> lblume: have you tried GNOME 3 yet?
 271 <aday> sebsebseb: it's dotted around the wiki - this is a good starting point - http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/
 272 <sebsebseb> yeah I looked at stuff before about Gnome 3 on the Gnome site :)
 273 <aday> sebsebseb: cool :)
 274 <sebsebseb> also I tried out a older version for quite  a while :)  last year whenever it was now
 275 <vbrummond> query: any more magic planned to happen with the sexy notifications?
 276 <sebsebseb> and really liked it, but I know quite a few changes have happended since that version
 277 <aday> sebsebseb: it is *so* much nicer now
 278 <vbrummond> sebsebseb: yeah it rocks, try building with jhbuild, I have got it done on debian testing and ubuntu 10.04/10.10
 279 <aday> vbrummond: hmm, not sure. there has been plenty of polishing recently
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 281 <sebsebseb> vbrummond: yeah indeed the jhbuild,  or Fedora or OpenSuse Live CD's maybe, but yep jhbuild not bothered yet, but going to try and do that in PC Linux OS
 282 <vbrummond> sebsebseb: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1603874 this thread is about building gnome shell, instructions in post one work for ubuntu and debian
 283 <aday> vbrummond: you will also get much better application integration with gnome 3 - for things like music player integration
 284 <BLUG_Fred> sebsebseb: it really builds easily. i seldom have issues
 285 <sebsebseb> vbrummond: probably not so useful for me see above :d
 286  at the moment anyway
 287 <BLUG_Fred> sebsebseb: we met on #fedora right?
 288 <sebsebseb> BLUG_Fred: I don't know, maybe, Fedora test day?
 289 <BLUG_Fred> (freenode)
 290 <vbrummond> i am wondering if I should switch to debian since I like gnome 3, but ubuntu might have it all there before debian sid even
 291 <BLUG_Fred> sebsebseb: yes..!
 292 <vbrummond> i have seen your name before as well
 293  cant remember where
 294 <sebsebseb> vbrummond: Ubuntu channels?
 295 <aday> vbrummond: yeah, it's hard to know when gnome 3 will be available for ubuntu. some point during 11.04, certainly
 296 <vbrummond> probably then
 297 <sebsebseb> aday: vbrummond  Gnome 3 will only be in a ppa for Ubuntu 11.04
 298 <vbrummond> ah cool
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 300 <aday> sebsebseb: sure. but the ppa won't be offering the full gnome 3 until some time during 11.04 (as i understand it)
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 302 <vbrummond> i think i might use debian on my personal machines, and just jhbuild gnome 3 until it lands in testing
 303 <aday> seems like our first hour is up! thanks for coming everyone - it's been great chatting to you
 304 <vbrummond> thanks aday! :)
 305 <aday> stick around and keep the conversation going :)
 306 * aday gets some breakfast
 307 <sebsebseb> i'll try and virtual machine Unity, maybe put the Ubuntu 11.04 final on for a bit,  and I think Fedora 15 will be a good release for those wanting Gnome Shell, but also Unity, so :)
 308 <vbrummond> yeah fedora seems like it rocks lately
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 310 <vbrummond> i spent years on debian machines though and i dont like selinux, but otherwise fedora is amazing, especially the artwork
 311 <sebsebseb> vbrummond: they are close to being able to provide Unity optionally in the main repos its seems, so that's good,  being able to have both Unity and Gnome Shell in a great distro, sounds good to me :)
 312 <vbrummond> agreed
 313  will you gents be around, i might reinstall debian and be back in 20 mins?