stormy: hi! how are you? Doing good. Ready for some good discussions! greetings to all from germany stormy: excellent! we had a good one earlier hello :) MainManDave: hi :) im here too :-) Hi all ! Greetings from Normandy --- Olm1 is now known as OlivierLM greetings from INDIA OlivierLM, trans: welcome ok, time to start, i think! welcome to the gnome 3 user day, everyone. it's really good to have you here --> arctic-ice (~wirc@89.204.137.106) has joined #gnome hi all! greetings from China hi --> CDLUG_ox0spy (~CDLUG_ox0@123.147.251.120) has joined #gnome this session is intended as a chance to talk to talk with members of the gnome project --> sakana__ (6f53068e@ircip1.mibbit.com) has joined #gnome so feel free to ask questions or raise issues so when gnome3 gonna be out officially try and make sure that we're only discussing one issue at a time - it'll get confusing otherwise and just so you know - we might make a log of the session public in the future let's do it let's! trans: 6 april is the release date --> CDLUG_guest (7b93fb71@ircip1.mibbit.com) has joined #gnome thanks aday that's just the release of gnome of course - it will take longer for it to come out on distros will the translations be out the same time? 6. of april seems a bit early? gnome-shell seems not to be stable right now (compiled it a few days ago) I'm not gonna wait, I'll install on my desktop right away MainManDave: yep, should be what is the best way for "normal" users to contribute to the gnome 3 development? i mean i know that until now there are lots of bugs - should i report them? KaRo: I think stability issues are mainly video drivers issues KaRo: ui freeze is on monday, i think. it'll be all about stability docs and translation from there on there is a docky like thing on the left side, does it pops up if we move cursor to left side or does it show up only when we move to activities is there still a way to change dpi settings within the new system settings? KaRo: so from what I know no plan to delay the release let's take those questions one at a time! arctic-ice was next MainManDave: translation is starting as we speak if I recall correctly, so it should be available at the same time hopefully BLUG_Fred: ok - thanks. So feature set is closed and it will be released more or less like it is today? --> RoKAHn (4fe548f6@ircip3.mibbit.com) has joined #gnome arctic-ice: you asked what the best way is for 'normal' users to contribute yes artic-ice, use the software, file bugs, show it to your friends, spread the word! have a party! arctic-ice, that is. :) :) Hi Dave gruß aus Heilbronn greetings RoKAHn, only english please so file bugs is okay? wasn't sure because there is such a rapid development in the moment ;) arctic-ice: so you could have a go at installing the development code and report some bugs - that would be great --> maxi_king_333 (5cc106da@ircip3.mibbit.com) has joined #gnome <-- didrocks has quit (WeeChat 0.3.4) arctic-ice: or just telling people about gnome 3 is also a really good way to help --> gbulte (~gbulte@ppp115-228.static.internode.on.net) has joined #gnome you can also put up a message on your blog or website to promote gnome 3 arctic-ice, you should always feel free to file bugs you find. If they are fixed or duplicates, they will be closed. <-- CDLUG_ox0spy has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) i'll do! like the 3 version very much! on the bottom of your email, you can also make a link for more gnome 3 information! andre_: can you confirm KaRo 's question please? sorry, ^__^ what's lastest version of gnome-shell? I saw gnome-shell-2.29.1-1.1 with openSUSE:Tumbleweed:Raw <-- mrego has quit (Leaving) trans asked the next question yep trans: want to repeat it for everyone? hi BLUG_Fred there is a docky like thing on the left side, does it pops up if we move cursor to left side or does it show up only when we move to activities how to make alt tab switch all windows? trans: short answer is only when you move to activities CDLUG_guest: hi again! :D hi, I have a question about GDM in GNOME3 - is it intented to be rewritten, using GNOME Shell's technologies? as far as I see, currently it is just GNOME's 2 GDM with black theme... gbulte: i'll add your question to the queue ;) oh sorry facebook is good for that, post a link to gnome3.org and tell your friends to spread it on :) :-) --> rego (~rego@119.Red-81-38-177.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #gnome i have also noticed that the dock can only hold a limited number of items, if more are added they are just not displayed. trans: there's some more information about that here - http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/FAQ Hello people, greetings from Egypt --> mr_evil (6ff3a11f@ircip3.mibbit.com) has joined #gnome didrocks (~didrocks@mne69-6-82-231-93-97.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #gnome marcus: yes and if there are too many the icons get pretty small... are workspaces still alive in GNOME 3? I have tried the iso from www.gnome3.org but cannot find out that feature exactly, and no much information on FAQ trans: there will be the opportunity to install extensions in the future though - so you will be able to customise if you want no, not only small. it does not even increase, so some icons won't be shown, either. got the answer, I didn't think of that probabilty trans: it's not something that will happen until later, but it will happen <-- mateus has quit (Remote closed the connection) ok, marcus was next marcus: something about dpi?! next question for the queue: from the view of a developer, what would you say would be the single most important reason to move to gnome 3? yup, i just wanted to know if there is still a way to change dpi settings / fonts within the new system settings? aday: but if are looking for something from wiki and creating a document which is based on some info from wiki doesn't it make a long process to switch between apps MainManDave: added :) --> reinouts (9158d121@ircip1.mibbit.com) has joined #gnome <-- sakana__ has quit (http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) didrocks has quit (WeeChat 0.3.4) marcus: i don't know the answer to that one right now, i'm afraid --> sakana_ (dd780116@ircip3.mibbit.com) has joined #gnome marcus: i can try and find out after the session, if you'd like <-- frandieguez has quit (Ex-Chat) oki, thanks --> urosh (4d2ead55@ircip2.mibbit.com) has joined #gnome trans: about it taking a long time to switch apps... that's a complicated question and i think it depends --- calumb is now known as calAFK another question: we are planning a release event in switzerland. are there any sources for flyers and posters available, that we can use? KaRo, GNOME is in feature freeze according to http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointNinetyone/ , but for -shell and related comments it's a "soft" feature freeze. We expect a complete freeze by the end of the month marcus: see http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/Goodies linked from http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/LaunchParty marcus, yes, you can sign up for some goodies with the GNOME parties team. trans: we've tried to make sure that people don't have to switch as much as before (with the inline messaging for instance) andre_: ok - thanks. aday: creating short cut for it might solve the problem marcus: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=636868 Bug 636868: gnome-shell, normal, Normal, ---, gnome-shell-maint, UNCONFIRMED, font size setting is ignored Is someone keeping track of the questions that we aren't able to answer here? So we can follow up on them? andre_, i was thinking about a poster source (svg) to announce the event in advance stormy: yep aday: like tapping on the desktop opens up avtivites( sorry I don't know if it is already implemented, just my opinion) marcus, ask on the marketing list. ok I'm sure we can do that if we don't have it already. (sorry, i don't know how to put this in the queue).. Will it be possible to have a "classic" gnome2 set up with gnome3? lithpr: i've added you to the list :) ppl, I know this is the last day to sign up for goodies for a launch party. Can we already sign up without a definitive place & time? trans: the other thing is that, with gnome 3, we're trying to help people focus on the task in hand marcus: source posters and flyers are all in the attachment section of the wiki page marcus: svg format --> may (77065a02@ircip1.mibbit.com) has joined #gnome trans: and that isn't compatible with a dock or something like that What is the difference between gnome 3 and gnome shell, if any? BLUG_Fred, going to check, thanks lithpr: we'll get back to that in a bit okay great aday: sure I understood its importance, thanks trans: mind if we come back to this later? i can try and give you a fuller answer when we're less busy cdlug_guest? <-- D0pamine has quit (Remote closed the connection) gbulte: you had a question about alt-tab! aday:sure, I'll stay here in the channel trans: great lithpr: gnome-shell is the central component of the gnome3 user experience, but there's also lots of other changes, e.g. in the control center BLUG_Fred, cannot find any gnome3 related posters on first sight. --> FunkyPenguin (~andrew@forcev.net) has joined #gnome push 'Any marketing arguments ready for windows users coming to Gnome ?', @questions_queue --> didrocks (~didrocks@mne69-6-82-231-93-97.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #gnome aday: thank you marcus: let me get that for you gbulte: want to ask again for the benefit of everyone else? how to make alt tab switch all windows? gbulte: like i mentioned to trans, there will be a desktop extensions system for people who want to use it marcus: https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/LaunchParty/Artworks gbulte: i'd be surprised if there are some extensions in their to modify the alt-tab switcher * if there aren't <-- urosh has quit (http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) marcus: and so https://live.gnome.org/action/AttachFile/ThreePointZero/LaunchParty/Artworks?action=AttachFile gbulte: but that won't be fully up and running until later than 3.0 it does not already? i am not doing something wrong? gbulte: you can also use alt+ to switch between windows of the current app BLUG_Fred: nice link --> scott_n (~snewlon@wkstn74.plumcreek.com) has joined #gnome gbulte: listen to fmuellner. he makes more sense than me ;) trans: i know it by heart ;-) gbulte: did fmuellner answer your question? no. i see that and pressing cursor keys. ah cool good to know with the alt+~ thing thanks! how to switch all windows at once? vbrummond: yeah! it's a good one! Alt + Tab ? gbulte: i'm not sure i follow. are you using gnome shell at the moment? suggestion: make a special page on the gnome site for tips and tricks°! sorry yes MainManDave: you can see openSUSE:Tumbleweed:Raw alt+tab doesn't work for me neither in the moment MainManDave: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/CheatSheet --> yippi (~bc99092@adsl-99-94-144-165.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) has joined #gnome excellent, thx! how does gnome3 handle multiple monitor setups? gbulte, arctic-ice: maybe it's a bug. let's talk about it later - i think we should move on i press alt tab and cursor keys to switch windows MainManDave: my pleasure --- calAFK is now known as calumb maxi_king_333: i've added your question to the queue! how to switch only windows? adav: i don't mind - let's go further zerng07: you're next up! you were asking about workspaces what's the lastest verion of gnome-shell? OlivierLM: marketing is currently focusing on people moving from GNOME 2. One of the reason is that 3.0 is a .0 release. So any GNOME 2.x generic argument should fit at the moment I would say thank you, aday <-- Bakerboy has quit (Remote closed the connection) zerng07: you were asking if workspaces are still alive in gnome 3. they're very much alive! OlivierLM: very few distro will be running 3.0 at the release time, and by the time it is available as a standard we'll be well past 3.0 zerng07: we had a new workspace switcher land just last week. it's pretty snazzy --> gpoo (~gpoo@S01060013100d9672.gv.shawcable.net) has joined #gnome anybody got a screenshot of that? now are workspaces a collection of virtual desktops? oh, it's a good new. <-- lilybet has quit (http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) lithpr: what's a virtual desktop? --> barcode_ (72fa7439@ircip4.mibbit.com) has joined #gnome BLUG_Fred: I'm mostly gonna meet Windows users on my Gnome 3 launch party. It would have been nice to have « official » argues, though I've already got mine :) <-- shiyee has quit (Ex-Chat) okay, can you explain what a workspace is? lithpr: same. --> dneary (~dneary@ALyon-152-1-71-57.w86-194.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #gnome Is there a chance of getting the "multiple workspaces"-view in gnome-shell (as it was in the earlier days? each workspace hosts different apps at a time? <-- metalgod has quit (Ex-Chat) zerng07: each workspace is a set of windows in macosx, it's called Spaces OK zerng07: and you can move windows between them to keep them organised <-- didrocks has quit (WeeChat 0.3.4) oic, i just went to my pager in gnome 2.32, and the "virtual desktops" i was refering to are in fact "workspaces" OlivierLM: well consider that the only way to run GNOME 3.0 on launch day will be through alpha/beta quality level distributions or compiling themselves good point same concept, but must more hands on, natural and well thought out in my opinion OlivierLM: what I suggest is either to start a discussion on the marketing mailing list or on the gugmasters mailing list ...or the live image screenshot of the new workspace switcher: http://img96.imageshack.us/i/screenshot2ri.png/ fmuellner: thanks! aday: np --> metalgod (~cmdesktop@a85-139-248-177.static.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #gnome hehe, just figured out where they are and created a bunch of space last (probably) question for the queue: will there be a romanian translation on the release date? the workspace switcher is the thing on the right of the screen --> ssweeny (~ssweeny@zhaan.ssweeny.net) has joined #gnome BLUG_Fred: No pb for that. I've got a 2.91.6.1 running on my demo machine (Archlinux). I'll upgrade it asap barcode_: hey you're back! there is also a live Fedora CD by the way ok, let's move on - there are lots more questions yes MainManDave: you asked about why developers should move to gnome 3 MainManDave: I don't know how powerful the ro team is, but you contact them - See http://l10n.gnome.org/teams/ro for more info OlivierLM: well bringing up the discussion on the mailing list (either one) can and will help others. I think it'd be nice if you did initiate the thread **Fedora with GNOME 3 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-02-03_GNOME3_Alpha#Live_image sakana_: thanks MainManDave: translation help is always welcome :) BLUG_Fred: do you want openSUSE with GNOME 3 ? there are respresentatives from ro here on the chat BLUG_Fred: Noted <-- PPyclik has quit (http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) MainManDave: for dev GNOME 3 provides better touch support , web technologies integrated in the desktop and probably more understood So is an "activity" in gnome3 a collection of workspaces? like it is in KDE? another little question: will it again be possible to change the keyboard layout / language in gdm? sakana_: no thanks. I was following up with barcode_ about a question asked during the previous session MainManDave: gnome 3 is going to be simpler and quicker to use as a developer platform got it MainManDave: and you get enhancing theming, animations ... everything's better, basically and faster? multi-touch support available in gnome3? MainManDave: yes MainManDave: fwiw GIMP is already on GTK3 and very happy with some of those improvements good arguments --> sshaw (~decriptor@137.65.132.35) has joined #gnome trans: multi-pointer yes. touch no - that will need to come from something else How can I add short cut on pannel with GNOME 3? trans: we're getting the foundations kernel am I right? sakana_: i'll come back to that, if that's ok --> didrocks (~didrocks@mne69-6-82-231-93-97.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #gnome aday: thanks you --> SeaWeed (51d99734@ircip1.mibbit.com) has joined #gnome lithpr: i'll answer quickly - then we can move on - an activity is broader than a workspace in gnome 3 lithpr: activity basically means 'stuff you are doing'. we're not really telling users how they should workspaces * how they should use lithpr: does that make sense? lithpr: ah, you're next on my list too - you asked: 'Will it be possible to have a "classic" gnome2 set up with gnome3?' does someone else want to answer that? --> ebassi (~ebassi@li19-69.members.linode.com) has joined #gnome <-- berto has quit (Remote closed the connection) --> precio (~precio@38.Red-80-36-82.staticIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #gnome nobody can answer that question? gnome-panel is place lithpr: ok... there will be a fallback mode in gnome 3, which is a bit similar to gnome 2 is in place --> tacg (~tiago@221.3.129.234) has joined #gnome gd808mobile (~gd808mobi@m460436d0.tmodns.net) has joined #gnome I have a question to list "If I install gnome-shell with lastest version == GNOME 3 ? for end user" sakana_: done :) aday: really aday: how to do that okay, thanks is there a screenshot of the fallback mode? I have a question: "How Gnome3 and gnome-shell solves the problem of multimonitor environment?" you mean if gnome-shell = GNOME3 or not? zerng07: yes, for end user -- Because we will have launch Part at Taiwan lithpr: i don't have one to hand. the point is, we'd really like people just to use fallback if they really have to. the full gnome 3 desktop is where all the cool stuff is happening, and it's where all the improvements are going to go <-- amigadave has quit (leaving) i actually wanna see gnome3 on a mobile phone. Would be working really well with a touch screen okay, thanks sakana_: that's actually the next question in the list! :) I mean, that in gnome2 when you have 2 or more monitors, the "solution" is to extend the desktop size, and more ore less, it works... but in other engines, you can have differents desktops on the different screens precio: can we come back to that question? i've made a note of it aday: "How Gnome3 and gnome-shell solves the problem of multimonitor environment?" lithpr and sakana_ asked what the difference is between gnome shell and gnome 3 precio: yes, i'll make sure we come back to that question I tried to answer this by " gnome-shell is the central component of the gnome3 user experience, but there's also lots of other changes, e.g. in the control center" aday: thanks, it's important to me to continue using gnome3 gnome 3 is a lot more than gnome shell - it is the new control center, the theme, changes to applications and improvements to the underlying technologies precio: what is the multi monitor problem? saispo sakana_ BLUG_Fred: some desktop evironments uses each monitor as a independent desktop sakana_, lithpr: gnome shell is central to gnome 3, and you get a good impression of gnome 3 if you use it, but you're not getting the full experience BLUG_Fred: but gnome2 does not do it this way sakana_: so for your party, you could just run gnome shell, but it would be better to have the full gnome 3 if you can <-- Raven46 (~raven@host-89-167-100-61.nplay.net.pl) has left #gnome stormy has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) aday: Yes, so that's the reason I want to know the diff sakana_: does that make sense? aday: Because many users ask me, what's diff to me for GNOME 2 and Windows precio: from what I see on my session GNOME 3 handles multi monitors the same way. Why do you think it is a problem? --> jclinton (~jclinton@mars.advancedclustering.com) has joined #gnome stormy (~stormy@c-67-176-52-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) has joined #gnome sakana_: that's a big question! <-- gd808mobile has quit (AndroIRC) aday: I study some of web page for GNOME 3, --> lanoxx (~lanoxx@HSI-KBW-095-208-200-040.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) has joined #gnome OlivierLM: see, seems you're not the only one ;-) <-- Benmat has quit (http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) BLUG_Fred: hehe aday: Yes, A big question need a good slide to answer BLUG_Fred: Is there any screenshot of a multi monitor setup? sakana_: personally, i would stick to the advantages of gnome 3, rather than trying to make comparisons maxi_king_333: no, there aren't it's easier maxi_king_333: multimonitor won't be optimized in time for 3.0 maxi_king_333: jclinton beat me to it! :) OlivierLM: does that answer your question too? maxi_king_333: but it's on the roadmap <-- SeaWeed (51d99734@ircip1.mibbit.com) has left #gnome jclinton: someone was asking about the expected behavior and whether GNOME 3.0 would handle the multimonitor configurations the same way as GNOME 2.x ok thx jclinton: it was precio actually, but others might be interested time is - unfortunately - running out, can we wrap up? aday: It's an answer for me, but windows users are so humm... messy ? aday: what's the best advantages for end users -- no comparisons <-- sergio has quit (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) mr_evil has quit (http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) aday: you must tell me how to add short cut to the pannel aday: ^__^ OlivierLM: heh. well it's interesting, because i think there's a general consensus that windows don't do good design sakana_: don't worry, i haven't forgotten! :) precio: the situation with multimonitor for 3.0 is that it will work but it's not an ideal experience because the panel will not be easily accessible and the workspace management doesn't really make a lot of sense aday: Thanks you <(_ _)> ok, MainManDave is right - we're running out of time! absolutly. What I think is that there's nothing like trying and then love it there are a couple of questions left on my list - i'll try and round up quickly and then we can finish there is another session later today, if you are awake then. and we will hopefully hold more sessions in the future marcus: it will be possible to change all of those i18n settings and also a11y settings in GDM, yes so don't worry if you haven't had chance to ask your question yet :) jclinton, thanks sakana_: there will be no shortcuts allowed on the panels in 3.0 Well : thanks BLUG_Fred, aday Bye all sakana_: or at any time during the 3.x release; the design is to put shortcuts on the dash OlivierLM: no problem - thanks for coming jclinton: I really don't understand <-- OlivierLM has quit (Leaving.) jclinton: did you mean that it stays the same way? precio: I mean that Shell is aware of the multimonitor configuration and there is an improved multimonitor configuration applet in the control panel but the user experience hasn't been optimized for that use case yet precio: I am writing you this from inside a multimonitor setup with GNOME Shell jclinton: Orz.......... jclinton: ok sakana_: sorry? jclinton: can you please make a screenshot? sakana_: did you understand the answer about shortcuts? --- KaL_out is now known as KaL aday: no, dady: what is meant by the "dash"? simple for work? jclinton: I asked because I see that "awesome" for example make the different monitors are actually different desktop, and I think that's a very good approach i think since we're all here, we can continue to answer a few questions, or continue the discussion after all that's what #gnome is for :D KaRo: the dash is the shortcuts list that flies out from the left-hand side in the overview jclinton: thx. maxi_king_333: here is a screenshot but please do not distribute: http://people.gnome.org/~jclinton/Screenshot.png sakana_: so yes, you can drag launchers to the dash that jclinton just described, and that acts as a place took shortcuts *to keep precio: afaik, that is more an issue with xrandr than anything else. precio: a similar approach is what has been proposed jclinton: that's great aday: I got it ~~ gpoo: no, the multimonitor proposal is essentially what awesome does sakana_: good :) aday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tIJv3OHpjs do you know how to do that? jclinton: but it will not be avaiable to the relase of gnome3, isn't? aday: how to do that ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tIJv3OHpjs sakana_ i think that is a wholly faux video precio: right there's still work to do on it; the design proposed is to make the overview only show windows from the monitor on which the overview comes time for me to hit it, thanks to aday and all others for the good chat and excellent information, all the best to all and until the next chat... sakana_: and it is *old* precio: supplemental monitors are permanent non-workspace manged areas jclinton: thank you - it's like gnome2 yes, thanks everyone! it's been great talking to you all! <-- barcode_ has quit (http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) hi all <-- MainManDave (~MainManDa@ip-109-91-156-151.unitymediagroup.de) has left #gnome s/manged/managed jclinton: perfect, thanks! --> Gnarle (~steve@vpn.insuranceinstitute.ca) has joined #gnome wow! Impressed with the activity Thanks you <-- KaRo (~KaRo_12@h081217151052.dyn.cm.kabsi.at) has left #gnome dneary: hey! and other question: "what should be do with old applets? like Hamster time tracker" same all, thank for answering my questions during the first session :) dneary: aday has been fantastic! i bit you farewell bid* vbrummond: see you around :) sakana_: regarding your question about GNOME Shell installation; if you install the jhbuild using the build instructions large parts of the GNOME 3 experience are included --> Bakerboy (~gordy@host86-175-38-87.wlms-broadband.com) has joined #gnome <-- vbrummond has quit (http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) sakana_: including the new theme, new control center and new symbolic icons sakana_: but to get the applications you would need to build all of GNOME which would take a really long time precio, convert it into a standalone app jclinton: some member of us -- use jhbuild compile fail in most of the cases sakana_: then that problem needs to be solved; it should always work jjardon: but it will be no way to make it persistent to the view? oh no! life without hamster... i hadn't thought of that :O sakana_: it works most of the time. Sometimes I need to select 6 and YES and then it passes sakana_: please join #gnome-shell and use a pastebin to get help with compiling with jhbuild jjardon: i really love hamster applet on my work it seems there are some bogus file conflicts on the first pass lithpr, precio: don't worry. the hamster will live :) --> sergio (~sergio@155.99.117.91.static.mundo-r.com) has joined #gnome precio: the situation with applets is that applets that are ported to the new API will continue to work in the GNOME 3 Fallback Mode precio: Hamster's developers haven't done this, though jclinton: I use openSUSE, so I install gnome-shell with openSUSE:Tumbleweed jclinton: that's no good :-( precio, for that very few use cases, you can put a permanent icon in the user notification area thanks aday, this was very interesting precio: going forward applets will not be allowed in the GNOME Shell panel but they can create persistent icons in the message tray or possibly though an as yet undefined widget system aday: i really hope so i did the whole fedora gnome3 test day- it was cool. sakana_, in case jhbuild *building* fails more info and explaining more about the problem is welcome, e.g. in #gnome-love lithpr: good talking to you precio: we all love hamster too - we've just got to make the transition andre_: thanks ^0^ aday: I use it a lot on my work, and implement some little plugin to it... i still want to use it, thanks a lot :D Take a look here: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/Gizmos <-- BLUG_Fred has quit (Ex-Chat) CDLUG_guest has quit (http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) well, gnome 3 really look good, but I hope that do not force me to use XFCE or even worse... KDE!!! :p --> kida_laptop (~kida@119.66.183.81) has joined #gnome precio: it's getting better all the time. i think it's going to be special precio, of course we need the community to improve our quality --> BLUG_Fred (~fred@119.121.76.166) has joined #gnome bp0 (~bp@watertownDHCP-94.216-254-228.iw.net) has joined #gnome <-- BLUG_Fred has quit (Remote closed the connection) aday, metalgod: to be honest, my first look to gnome shell was not very good, but now I think that will be good... precio: it has improved *a lot* "change. we fear change" hee hee! aday: I really hope so :) I really love GNOME, and I want to love it a lot of more time! --> BLUG_Fred (~fred@119.121.76.166) has joined #gnome * reinouts is still using an old incarnation of gnome-shell (f14) - but noticed there's no way to edit launchers from the activities list. Has this been improved? <-- may has quit (http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) reinouts: any application which you create a shortcut for in .local/share/applications will show up in the full Applications list reinouts: nope reinouts: that includes those which are created through the Nautilus launchers UI fmuellner: :)