hi all! it's the first gnome 3 user day starting here in 5 minutes, so get comfy * aday makes coffee coffee, yeah. just spilled coffee over keyboard now <-- djcb has quit (Remote closed the connection) uv has quit (Remote closed the connection) okay, looks like it's time to start lets begin haha, finished mine a while ago yeah, let's start! great! so, welcome to the first gnome 3 user day i hope you all got here alright thanks aday i'm having tea.. and famous French "pain au chocolat"... free for all in the room i'm sure others are getting on the idea of this session is to give people a chance to ask any questions that they might have about the new release or if anyone if thinking to try GNOME 3 and not sure how... it's time to shoot i want to try gnome 3 in my day to day working, i tried the image version of it, but its too controlled an environment yeah wanted to know how to upgrade from an older version of gnome to gnome 3 is gnome3 stable enough for that sort of user testing ? kinshuk: have you tried compiling from source? I do it once a week and it's definitely stupid-proof (I can do it so..) s/stable/ready kinshuk, eyedol: both good questions as a party release organizers, i'm hoping to hold a session that will allow users to upgrade from an existing gnome install kinshuk: i know a few people using it daily yes same here, i am doing a release party too i didnt try compiling from source, as i have messed up in past with other projects, due to lack of technical understanding sicne its stupid proof, i will try do that right away the release is only for gnome 3 - it'll be a little while until there are stable distros that you can install but you could use the development version of debian or fedora to install the full version of gnome 3 on 6 april kinshuk: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/#Building BLUG_Fred: right - the other option is to build some key parts of gnome 3 from source aday: great that'll give you a good taste, though it's not the full experience BLUG_Fred, follow that step by step ? so if i'm on say ubuntu and want to show off gnome 3, i have to compile from source I guess I need to read the docs regarding that aday: oh.. i do the whole shebang and i've been really impressed by the ease of it. I once had to visit #gnome-shell for 1 issue. Someone told me which file to edit and I was up and running in no time. kinshuk: yes eyedol: right now, yes. there will be a ppa in the future, but it isn't up to date right now aday: got it kinshuk: i'm building now.. since I didn't do it this week yet. And someone pinged me yesterday about how great were the new workspaces... is there a doc for compiling on Ubuntu BLUG_Fred: oh yes, it works for gnome shell, but that isn't the whole gnome 3 here, alot of people run ubuntu aday: oh.. right. sorry for confusing people BLUG_Fred: you don't get the new stack, theme, application improvements, etc... i am doign that side by side as well so I need to be able to get it running on ubuntu just for demo sake on that day <-- balor has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) BlanchardJ BLUG_Fred eyedol: the link that BLUG_Fred gave works on ubuntu also documenting steps i had to follow eyedol: and you can ask in #gnome-shell if you run into problems. they're really helpful in there great --> emily (945713de@ircip1.mibbit.com) has joined #gnome sounds good #gnome-shell is also on irc.gnome.org ? aday: so actually to get the whole stack one need to try one of the liveCDs available is that correct? kinshuk: yes BLUG_Fred: or run fedora rawhide how does the fedora rawhide work ? is multimonitor a focus of gnome3? gnome2 is pretty basic at handling it and last I tried gnome-shell it wasn't very good about it after i set up rawhide, i still follow the same build instructions ? kinshuk: no, rawhide already has gnome 3 I think rawhide is native GNOME 3 oh kinshuk: it is what will be fedora 15 pedrocr: that's a question a few people have asked then that is the easiest way for me, i am already running fedora 14, i just need to upgrade into rawhide aday: in my announcements I include the daily ISO files from rawhide as well BLUG_Fred: cool aday, today? sorry I didn't see them pedrocr: no, previously ;) pedrocr: i don't use multi-monitor myself, but i know that it is being worked on for gnome 3 I need to try a recent gnome-shell then i use 2 monitors and it's running ok here. but i don't do anything fancy neither It was broken for me for a long time BLUG_Fred, can you put the top bar on any monitor you want? <-- njdoyle has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) pedrocr: well it kept my gnome 2 settings.. i didn't try to change them The problem I had was it defaulted to the large (external) monitor instead of the laptop screen my understanding (which might be wrong) is that you'll be able to set the primary monitor using the system settings sounds good and that's the monitor which gets the top bar pedrocr: so mine the 'panel' is on my laptop screen also pedrocr: but it's also my "highest" resolution --> mib_tkkcfv (b725066f@ircip2.mibbit.com) has joined #gnome 河llo that's the minimum, what I miss is good transitions from 1 to 2 monitors and back hello hi is there an official video showing whats new in gnome 3 or sorts ? for mass consumption ? mib_tkkcfv: 哈llo I'll retest it ;-) 呵呵 kinshuk: it is planned, but not ready yet. still a few UI changes from time to time... hehe --> chen_ (~chen@ecoprobe-dmz.gns.novell.com) has joined #gnome kinshuk: good question how can a non-programmer like me contribute ? kinshuk: maybe make the video if it doesn't exist yet? kinshuk: some videos are being worked on. we should hopefully have them on gnome3.org soon kinshuk, https://live.gnome.org/JoinGnome is a starting point kinshuk: screencasts I would, running a User Group also I would say i can try screencasts, once i get it running on my base system kinshuk: i'm not a programmer, and i do quite a lot of work on gnome :) also contribute bug reports and feedback kinshuk: good stuff <-- mib_tkkcfv has quit (http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) kinshuk: my experience is that user group management skills is usually inversely proportional to technical skills ;-) BLUG_Fred, but at times, user group management is sad, you know, with everyone else doing the awesome stuff :P i have been managing various local user groups for last 3 years, at times i yearn to fight from the front kinshuk: well you part is to make these people meet each others. You get to meet tons of really amazing people as well kinshuk: user group management is pretty awesome, i'd say! kinshuk: and you can try little things... true on all 3 counts kinshuk: thanks to UG management I've improved my web dev skills, my GIMP and Inkscape skills and now manage a python project hmmm kinshuk: and I even have a 3D printer at home.. (which I still haven t assembled) so where is a list of yet to be done things for gnome 3 promotions ? kinshuk: right now we're trying to put up some 'get started developing on GNOME for dummies' slides... how can i contribute to that ? kinshuk: where are you based? Delhi, India any more questions about gnome 3? who here as tried it? kinshuk, we have a resource page: http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/LaunchParty/Resources --> foser (~foser@28pc222.sshunet.nl) has joined #gnome kinshuk, we are looking for people to volunteers to do a few things like making presentations and upload their presentations great! Are you planning to attend GNOME.Asia Summit? --> Ox0spy (c2c54f12@ircip1.mibbit.com) has joined #gnome BLUG_Fred, will be missing out on GNOME.Asia summit, I initially wanted to help organise it, but things didnt work out kinshuk, a count down , screen cast (with sub titles so easier to localize) I am pretty new to GNOME communities, though a user for last 3 years kinshuk: well we can definitely use some help <-- Ox0spy has quit (http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) BLUG_Fred, i am in --> CDLUG_Ox0spy (c2c54f12@ircip1.mibbit.com) has joined #gnome hi kinshuk: we have a mailing list for gnome.asia actually. best is probably to register and start discussing there kinshuk, it's gnome-asia-list@gnome.org CDLUG_Ox0spy: hi :) CDLUG_Ox0spy: hey! how's Chengdu? wait a minute, meeting time kinshuk: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-asia-list BLUG_Fred, are you from India too ? eyedol: where are you from? kinshuk: nope. I'm French living in China ok kinshuk: but I hope to attend the GNOME.Asia Summit BLUG_Fred: I'm from Ghana but based in Nairobi Kenya eyedol: cool.. the land of the wild! BLUG_Fred: :-) yeah come visit eyedol: how is GNOME/Linux adoption over there? do you have a user Group? i wish... well, I got here 2 weeks ago but back home in Ghana, Linux / GNOME is well adopted people use Ubuntu alot back home here too I have seen couple people using Linux / GNOME eyedol: people use a lot of ubuntu everywhere (for the moment being) especially here at the iHub; http://ihub.co.ke where I work from barcode: I see eyedol: looks cool! --> berto (~berto@192.100.124.156) has joined #gnome I know there a couple of fedora ambassadors here I'm working with them to get the release party happen here at the iHub eyedol, barcode: either of you tried the live image? aday: I haven't but I plan exploring it this weekend I have attempted compiling gnome 3 in the early stages but didn't succeed I haven't tried it yet aday: unfortunately not yet, it's now on the agenda for this evening maybe I could give it shot this weekend to get me started with it eyedol: nice website... barcode, eyedol: cool. it's a little out of date... things are moving pretty quickly right now Great. which means I need to give it a shot real quick we're still waiting for the theme to get fully implemented barcode: btw D- was asking if there was a default Tuesday tonight? thanks BLUG_Fred --> vbrummond (47fd4b45@ircip2.mibbit.com) has joined #gnome BLUG_Fred: there is! I'll give him a SMS this is what the theme is going to look like when it's done - http://gitorious.org/gnome-design/gnome-design/blobs/raw/master/mockups/theming/widget-factory.png wow aday, i like it vbrummond: yeah! :D eyedol: do you do 'free' events in your space? running a Linux/GNOME User Group could attract people --> mwg (~mwg@dslb-088-071-109-049.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #gnome vbrummond: we have some amazing designers who've worked on it yeah we do BLUG_Fred: looking into that. I just moved here couple weeks ago eyedol: oh right.. i understand well they did great :) --> smerft (7a9fe266@ircip3.mibbit.com) has joined #gnome vbrummond: and we have some new widgets in gnome 3, like the switches yeah, ill have to get up to speed for my web browser project and see whats new I can add --> al_shopov (57e3d8be@ircip4.mibbit.com) has joined #gnome vbrummond: cool. there is a switching guide for gnome 2 apps <-- smerft has quit (http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) i am setting up rawhide right now, and will look through the resources and being part of gnome 3 and pitch in wherever i can tonight vbrummond: one thing you can do now is pass a web search to a browser from the gnome 3 overview aday, yup, i love that, using gnome-shell from git right now kinshuk: most of us are here all the time (when we're not sleeping). so please do feel free to ping us if you're lost vbrummond: yeah, me too - such a nice touch. really thoughtful will do well the new workspace logic is what I am liking, cleans up virtual desktops after me automatically kinshuk: yes, stay in touch! we need lots of people testing gnome 3 before the release fedora had a test day recently which sounded really successful participating in something like that is really good way to get involved is there a test day for gnome 3 eyedol: the fedora test day was also a gnome 3 test day aday: same thing eh eyedol: you don't have to be a fedora user to take part get it I will get a debian running. --> sebsebseb (~sebsebseb@cpc2-aztw5-0-0-cust209.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #gnome debian <3 along side ubuntu eyedol: i haven't tried that option, but i hear it's a good way to run gnome 3 I nearly forgot about this, but now I am here :) sebsebseb: welcome! One side note here: for any GNOME 3 party organizer who hasn't submitted their delivery information to us yet, please go to http://gnome.asia/Gnome3Parties/Submission/ to fill out and submit the form today, thanks! pockeylam: thanks sebsebseb: you still have 2 other time slots eventually sebsebseb: anything you wanted to ask? --> rego (~rego@157.Red-79-153-193.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #gnome yeah I know another two sessions later, are they all the same or not? sebsebseb: yep it's just to cover some more timezones :) ok good stuff :) and yeah I did forgot about this, but then I remembered :) i will try to make at least one other session im interested in lurking and learning a bit :) vbrummond: cool. anything in particular that you're interested in? --> mib_zs0ua6 (8c703d4e@ircip1.mibbit.com) has joined #gnome <-- mib_zs0ua6 has quit (http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) hmm, mostly about the shell, it seems like it has huge potential to make excellent themes for i was wondering when it would be steady enough to do so without it being incompatible after an update I wonder when missing features from Gnome 2, like the weather feature, will be in Gnome Shell :) --> murrayc (~murrayc@ppp-93-104-160-166.dynamic.mnet-online.de) has joined #gnome oh yeah, and i tried the "zoom" feature in the shell, pure genius --> MacSlow (~mirco@dslb-088-076-050-156.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #gnome vbrummond: there's a nice theming community on deviantart already. seems llike there's some exciting possibilities there vbrummond: there is also support to have firefox-like extensions for gnome shell (though that stuff probably won't come in until 3.2) i'm pretty excited by that yeah, and ill bet it finally will be easy to make your UI really themed, I want to make a steampunk themed dash eventually :) i will leave for now, will catch up later.. bai sebsebseb: we do have designs for a weather thingy for gnome 3. not sure what the status is for that... aday: yeah 3.2 that's when weather feature will be in Gnome Shell probably as well or? Now that is the only feature I would miss from Gnome 2 or pretty much I guess. kinshuk: bye and thanks. kinshuk: yes, see you! <-- kinshuk has quit (Leaving) mwg has quit (Remote closed the connection) sebsebseb: can't say exactly when it'll be done. might just take a hacker to step up Are the scripts of the sessions available? <-- cyphase has quit (http://www.cyphase.com/) well I still need to try later Gnome Shell some how, but seen on sites and such, but I get the impression it will lack some features from Gnome 2, like weather for example yeah, and then they will appear a bit later many of them it seems, so good stuff :) i prefer shell to unity, it feels more productive, but I do like both al_shopov: i'll try and put a log up, if people are interested <-- bag_ has quit (Ex-Chat) --> lblume (~laurent@raven.elanor.org) has joined #gnome sebsebseb: we've worked pretty hard to make sure that the shell isn't missing anything vital aday: if so could you obfuscated pockeylam 's email address please? vbrummond: yeah I am not that keen on Unity when it came to previous trying, but it's good two interfaces are being made that should both help to innovate Desktop Linux quite nicely over time :) sebsebseb: there were some quite comprehensive reviews BLUG_Fred: sure - good point i get addicted to the way alt+tab works in shell aday: reviews ? sebsebseb: analysis --> mwg (~mwg@dslb-088-071-109-049.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #gnome got a link? lblume: have you tried GNOME 3 yet? sebsebseb: it's dotted around the wiki - this is a good starting point - http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/ yeah I looked at stuff before about Gnome 3 on the Gnome site :) sebsebseb: cool :) also I tried out a older version for quite a while :) last year whenever it was now query: any more magic planned to happen with the sexy notifications? and really liked it, but I know quite a few changes have happended since that version sebsebseb: it is *so* much nicer now sebsebseb: yeah it rocks, try building with jhbuild, I have got it done on debian testing and ubuntu 10.04/10.10 vbrummond: hmm, not sure. there has been plenty of polishing recently <-- railrulez has quit (leaving) vbrummond: yeah indeed the jhbuild, or Fedora or OpenSuse Live CD's maybe, but yep jhbuild not bothered yet, but going to try and do that in PC Linux OS sebsebseb: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1603874 this thread is about building gnome shell, instructions in post one work for ubuntu and debian vbrummond: you will also get much better application integration with gnome 3 - for things like music player integration sebsebseb: it really builds easily. i seldom have issues vbrummond: probably not so useful for me see above :d at the moment anyway sebsebseb: we met on #fedora right? BLUG_Fred: I don't know, maybe, Fedora test day? (freenode) i am wondering if I should switch to debian since I like gnome 3, but ubuntu might have it all there before debian sid even sebsebseb: yes..! i have seen your name before as well cant remember where vbrummond: Ubuntu channels? vbrummond: yeah, it's hard to know when gnome 3 will be available for ubuntu. some point during 11.04, certainly probably then aday: vbrummond Gnome 3 will only be in a ppa for Ubuntu 11.04 ah cool --> KaL (~cgarcia@81.61.18.220.dyn.user.ono.com) has joined #gnome sebsebseb: sure. but the ppa won't be offering the full gnome 3 until some time during 11.04 (as i understand it) --> didrocks (~didrocks@mne69-6-82-231-93-97.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #gnome i think i might use debian on my personal machines, and just jhbuild gnome 3 until it lands in testing seems like our first hour is up! thanks for coming everyone - it's been great chatting to you thanks aday! :) stick around and keep the conversation going :) * aday gets some breakfast i'll try and virtual machine Unity, maybe put the Ubuntu 11.04 final on for a bit, and I think Fedora 15 will be a good release for those wanting Gnome Shell, but also Unity, so :) yeah fedora seems like it rocks lately --> javiF (~jfernande@50.Red-79-151-144.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #gnome i spent years on debian machines though and i dont like selinux, but otherwise fedora is amazing, especially the artwork vbrummond: they are close to being able to provide Unity optionally in the main repos its seems, so that's good, being able to have both Unity and Gnome Shell in a great distro, sounds good to me :) agreed will you gents be around, i might reinstall debian and be back in 20 mins?