1 19:05:51 <stoney_> #startmeeting
   2 19:05:51 <tota11y> Meeting started Thu Feb 20 19:05:51 2014 CET.  The chair is stoney_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
   3 19:05:51 <tota11y> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
   4 19:06:01 <stoney_> Welome
   5 19:06:27 <stoney_> So, we're going to try to take advantage of the parallel nature of IRc
   6 19:06:37 <stoney_> #topic updates
   7 19:06:55 <stoney_> so for the updates, please #info your current status
   8 19:06:59 <stoney_> what you have been working on
   9 19:07:05 <stoney_> everyone all at once :)
  10 19:07:22 <stoney_> Hi Andre
  11 19:07:39 <AndreLGOliveira> Hi Professor
  12 19:07:40 <heidi> Hey AndreLGOliveira!
  13 19:07:49 <AndreLGOliveira> Hi
  14 19:07:56 <stoney_> #info AndreLGOliveira is a new comer to our group, he'll be working on our testing procedures and framework
  15 19:09:05 <heidi> #info Heidi got permissions to allocate Bugzilla permissions and has given the group (except for AndreLGOliveira ) permissions to edit a bug and change the status of a bug.
  16 19:09:29 <heidi> So you all should be able to edit bugs as you work on them, and confirm them.
  17 19:09:46 <stoney_> #info there is a new page at the bottom of our wiki about testing
  18 19:09:50 <stoney_> #link https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Projects/MouseTrap?action=show&redirect=MouseTrap
  19 19:09:59 <heidi> #info Bottom of the MouseTrap wiki on the GNOME site
  20 19:10:33 <stoney> everyone else?
  21 19:10:36 <stoney> info up
  22 19:10:40 <stoney> don't wait :)
  23 19:10:44 <kevin-brown> #info I've been working on the last parts of making MouseTrap compatible with OpenCV 3 along with looking up how AutoTools works
  24 19:11:49 <heidi> kevin-brown: How far have you gotten?
  25 19:12:13 <kevin-brown> heidi: Not very far, but it looks like I will be able to finish it and send a new patch up by the next meeting
  26 19:12:33 <heidi> Ah, cool!
  27 19:12:47 <heidi> kevin-brown: Do you mean that you'll have MouseTrap entirely compatible with OpenCV3?
  28 19:13:02 <stoney> OK... on to issues
  29 19:13:09 <stoney> #topic Issues
  30 19:13:23 <kevin-brown> heidi: Both OpenCV 3 and OpenCV 2, as what has changed in OpenCV 3 doesn't affect us (as far as I can tell)
  31 19:13:39 <stoney> In this topic... info up where you are stuck
  32 19:13:47 <stoney> or any suggestions
  33 19:13:50 <stoney> nits you want to pick
  34 19:13:51 <heidi> Ah, good!
  35 19:13:52 <stoney> etc.
  36 19:14:01 <stoney> proposals
  37 19:14:09 <stoney> confusions
  38 19:14:13 <stoney> what you need
  39 19:14:18 <stoney> you know... issues :)
  40 19:14:49 <roland> #info I've been collecting file names within my local repo that need ocv. I have also been making sure that the ocv files used are up to date. I have already found a couple files that I need to look into so that I can see if they are depricated and need to be updated due to name changes of xml files and funtions. I have already found the files that I believe are the needed files to replace...
  41 19:14:50 <stoney> use #info
  42 19:14:51 <roland> ...the old ones(* crosses fingers). These new files are from the newest ocv libraries and the old ones so far look like their equivelent, they are used for the face mouth detection and the eye detection(with glasses*). Earlier this week Bryan, Kevin and I met for about an hour to bring each other up to speed on what eachother were doing. Kevin and I will at another need to meet again to go...
  43 19:14:53 <roland> ...over a couple of file modifications. So, often we will be working together, here on out.
  44 19:15:41 <heidi> What is the overlap between what kevin-brown and roland are doing?
  45 19:16:58 <roland> #info the old ones(* crosses fingers). These new files are from the newest ocv libraries and the old ones so far look like their equivelent, they are used for the face mouth detection and the eye detection(with glasses*). Earlier this week Bryan, Kevin and I met for about an hour to bring each other up to speed on what each other were doing. Kevin and I will at another need to meet again to go
  46 19:17:20 <roland> #info over a couple of file modifications. So, often we will be working together, here on out.
  47 19:18:09 <stoney> #info need a demo of flash drives sooner than later
  48 19:18:41 <stoney> #info the hackfest is in April... but we don't want to wait for the last minute to get the flash drives working
  49 19:19:12 <stoney> #info if the flash drives don't work... we need time to change gears
  50 19:19:34 <stoney> ok...
  51 19:19:41 <stoney> next we move to open discussion
  52 19:19:47 <stoney> #topic discussion
  53 19:19:56 <stoney> here we discuss any of the above issues
  54 19:20:02 <stoney> try to help resolve things
  55 19:20:10 <stoney> point folks in the right direction
  56 19:20:12 <stoney> etc.
  57 19:20:23 <stoney> debate
  58 19:20:25 <kevin-brown> That would be useful, if we had any issues to discuss
  59 19:20:32 <stoney> :)
  60 19:20:37 <AndreLGOliveira> ok
  61 19:20:57 <stoney> some days we will, some days we won't :)
  62 19:21:04 <heidi> stoney, So if I understand correctly, you are parallelizing what we had been doing serially in previous meetings, yes?
  63 19:21:12 <kevin-brown> What would be a good time to talk about testing? (Just read that document)
  64 19:21:23 <stoney> heidi: yes to compress
  65 19:21:33 <stoney> now
  66 19:21:38 <stoney> ?
  67 19:21:41 <heidi> Now to talk about testing is good.
  68 19:21:43 <heidi> :-)
  69 19:21:44 <AndreLGOliveira> ok
  70 19:22:01 <stoney> AndreLGOliveira: care to lead us through it?
  71 19:22:01 <AndreLGOliveira> I'm the first one doing unit testing on this project?
  72 19:22:09 <stoney> yup yup :)
  73 19:22:15 <AndreLGOliveira> Ok
  74 19:22:23 <AndreLGOliveira> let me summarize it
  75 19:22:41 <stoney> #link https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/MouseTrap/Testing
  76 19:22:48 <stoney> we are looking at that page
  77 19:24:12 <stoney> (btw... discussions I expect will be more serial, and less parallel)
  78 19:24:57 <AndreLGOliveira> #info The  testing code is accepted to be put in 3 different locations: The same folder as the methods, with the name of the method being tested followed by "_test*
  79 19:25:29 <stoney> wait
  80 19:25:51 <stoney> AndreLGOliveira: we are just looking for an overview of what you are going to be doing in this project
  81 19:26:00 <stoney> AndreLGOliveira: we don't expect that you have a solution yet
  82 19:26:11 <AndreLGOliveira> Ok, sorry for that
  83 19:26:17 <stoney> AndreLGOliveira: what are the goals
  84 19:26:19 <stoney> your fine
  85 19:26:21 <stoney> :)
  86 19:26:31 <stoney> you're
  87 19:28:22 <AndreLGOliveira> #info I will be studying and developing the unit testing for the project, testing if the methods works as expected and reporting it early in the development.
  88 19:29:01 <heidi> Stoney, is the plan for AndreLGOliveira to create unit tests for all code?
  89 19:29:09 <stoney> no
  90 19:29:21 <AndreLGOliveira> #info Also, I will document how the Unit Testing Framework works and how to use it on the code.
  91 19:29:22 <heidi> Ok, so some small part? Any particular part?
  92 19:29:47 <stoney> he will be investigating how unit testing is done in python
  93 19:29:57 <stoney> he'll create an example
  94 19:30:05 <kevin-brown> AndreLGOliveira: What framework are you looking into? unittest? nose?
  95 19:30:14 <stoney> he'll help firm up how it will integrate with MouseTrap
  96 19:30:20 <AndreLGOliveira> unittest framework
  97 19:30:29 <stoney> and he'll give recommendations for its use by developers
  98 19:31:17 <stoney> kevin-brown: unittest initially
  99 19:31:22 <stoney> is nose built in?
 100 19:31:45 <stoney> should we look at it?
 101 19:31:49 <heidi> kevin-brown: Do you have recommendations for tools?
 102 19:31:59 <kevin-brown> Nose is not built in, and neither is unittest2
 103 19:32:28 <stoney> what's this then? http://docs.python.org/3.3/library/unittest.html
 104 19:33:01 <kevin-brown> That's just unittest
 105 19:33:18 <stoney> is it bad?
 106 19:33:38 <AndreLGOliveira> Nose is a third-party testing framework.
 107 19:33:50 <kevin-brown> It gets the job done, nose and unittest2 were just created to fill in a few gaps
 108 19:34:13 <stoney> what gaps... do we need the gaps
 109 19:34:17 <stoney> ?
 110 19:34:38 <stoney> my inclination is to keep dependencies low
 111 19:35:08 <kevin-brown> Which is what I figured, unittest should be fine for MouseTrap
 112 19:35:26 <stoney> so maybe that is the first step
 113 19:35:31 <stoney> figure out which is needed
 114 19:35:40 <AndreLGOliveira> ok
 115 19:35:51 <stoney> if we would really benefit from the features of nose or unittest2 we should consider them
 116 19:36:03 <stoney> if not... stick with standard libraries
 117 19:36:34 <stoney> #action AndreLGOliveira will investigate the differences between unittest, unittest2, and nose
 118 19:37:30 <stoney> AndreLGOliveira: it looks lil kevin-brown  has some background in this... so pick his brain too
 119 19:37:46 <AndreLGOliveira> ok
 120 19:38:10 <stoney> anything else on this?
 121 19:38:31 <kevin-brown> AndreLGOliveira: Feel free to ping me on here, I've done quite a bit with unit testing in python and may be able to help if you need anything
 122 19:38:51 <stoney> last topic will be "resolved" in which we'll assign ourselves tasks for the week
 123 19:38:55 <AndreLGOliveira> ok, thanks kevin-brown I will
 124 19:39:03 <stoney> #topic resloved
 125 19:39:22 <stoney> so action up your plans for the week
 126 19:39:37 <stoney> : #action AndreLGOliveira will investigate the differences between unittest, unittest2, and nose
 127 19:39:48 <stoney> #action AndreLGOliveira will investigate the differences between unittest, unittest2, and nose
 128 19:40:00 <stoney> (AndreLGOliveira I did your's for you :P)
 129 19:40:23 <AndreLGOliveira> ok, :)
 130 19:40:46 <stoney> #action Heidi and I will do our usual patch session on Monday
 131 19:40:54 <kevin-brown> #action I will be finishing bug 691878 and will have a revised patch by the next meeting
 132 19:40:54 <tota11y> 04Bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=691878 normal, Normal, ---, mousetrap-maint, NEW, Convert to Python 3
 133 19:41:15 <stoney> quick question...
 134 19:41:36 <stoney> has anyone been able to test their new powers over bugzilla ?
 135 19:42:08 <kevin-brown> I appear to have the permissions, as the options are now available to make changes
 136 19:42:11 <stoney> AndreLGOliveira: also, please join the mousetrap email list serv
 137 19:42:16 <stoney> sweet
 138 19:42:31 <stoney> that was what you were looking for? kevin-brown ?
 139 19:42:44 <roland> #action Roland and Kevin will be scheduling a couple meetings to work together on ocv updates/problems/incompatibilities/deprecations;
 140 19:42:45 <stoney> kevin-brown: i.e., you are satisfied?
 141 19:43:02 <kevin-brown> stoney: It should make things easier in the future, yes
 142 19:43:07 <stoney> cool
 143 19:43:18 <stoney> anything else before we adjourn?
 144 19:43:27 <kevin-brown> Is someone planning on going through the old bugs and closing them off?
 145 19:43:43 <stoney> heidi: is that on our todo?
 146 19:43:54 <heidi> stoney: Ummm, sort of?
 147 19:43:56 <AndreLGOliveira> question: where can I  join the listing?
 148 19:44:26 <AndreLGOliveira> nevermind, I found it.
 149 19:44:30 <roland> :)
 150 19:44:32 <heidi> #action stoney and heidi will go through old bugs and close them off.
 151 19:44:46 <kevin-brown> AndreLGOliveira: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mousetrap-list
 152 19:44:51 <stoney> AndreLGOliveira: also.. please create a github account
 153 19:45:04 <stoney> AndreLGOliveira: I'll transfer that repository to you
 154 19:45:07 <heidi> AndreLGOliveira: Just to let you know, several of us are sitting in the CS lab (Herman 207) during this IRC. Feel free to join us in the future.
 155 19:45:20 <AndreLGOliveira> I already did: https://github.com/AndreLuisGO
 156 19:45:27 <stoney> perfect
 157 19:45:37 <stoney> anything else?
 158 19:45:47 <AndreLGOliveira> Ok, I'll be there next week
 159 19:45:48 <stoney> going once
 160 19:45:53 <stoney> going twice
 161 19:45:58 <stoney> sold
 162 19:46:12 <stoney> #endmeeting
 163 19:46:50 <stoney> well... at least i'm done with that meeting :)
 164 19:46:55 <stoney> even if the meetbot isn't
 165 19:46:56 <stoney> :P
 166 19:47:00 <stoney> #endmeeting
 167 19:47:04 <stoney> #endmeeting
 168 19:47:07 <stoney> #endmeeting
 169 19:47:14 <stoney> #stopmeeting
 170 19:47:18 <stoney> #finishmeeting
 171 19:47:43 <stoney> #overandout
 172 19:47:50 <stoney> #goaway
 173 19:47:53 <stoney> #leavemealone
 174 19:48:10 <heidi> joanie?
 175 19:48:20 <joanie> Yes ma'am?
 176 19:48:23 <heidi> The meetbot doesn't seem to be responding properly.
 177 19:48:35 <heidi> Are you able to kick it?
 178 19:48:36 <joanie> Oh, I need to send you minutes too. I suck
 179 19:48:39 * joanie looks
 180 19:48:47 <joanie> who was chair?
 181 19:48:50 <heidi> Yes on the meeting minutes, no on the sucking.
 182 19:48:51 <heidi> Stoney
 183 19:49:05 <joanie> and you started a meeting?
 184 19:49:10 <stoney> yes me
 185 19:49:12 <heidi> Has the meeting ended and the meetbot didn't tell us?
 186 19:49:12 <joanie> lemme scroll up
 187 19:49:13 <stoney> yes i started
 188 19:49:20 <joanie> it should tell you
 189 19:49:25 <heidi> Yes, we did. And the meetbot gave us the usual start up messages.
 190 19:49:37 <joanie> yup
 191 19:49:38 <stoney> OH I KNOW
 192 19:49:42 <stoney> my nick changed
 193 19:49:48 <joanie> dude
 194 19:49:50 <joanie> :P
 195 19:49:58 <stoney_> no I suck
 196 19:50:01 <joanie> hah
 197 19:50:02 <stoney_> now I suck
 198 19:50:04 <joanie> try again
 199 19:50:04 <heidi> OK, is it a sad thing that this is the highlight of my day?
 200 19:50:07 <stoney_> #endmeeting