Attachment 'mousetrap.2014-01-28-18.59.log.txt'
Download 1 18:59:46 <stoney> #startmeeting
2 18:59:46 <tota11y> Meeting started Tue Jan 28 18:59:46 2014 CET. The chair is stoney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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4 18:59:55 <stoney> Hi
5 19:00:07 <stoney> glad so many of you could make it!
6 19:00:16 <stoney> Heidi is in a meeting and won't be here
7 19:00:26 <stoney> #topic Announcements
8 19:01:02 <stoney> #info MouseTrap sprint Friday from 9a-4p at WNE Herman 201 and virtually here
9 19:01:02 <LoganH> Hello
10 19:01:08 <stoney> hi :)
11 19:01:39 <stoney> I've been told there will be snacks and I think food for participants
12 19:01:47 <kevin-brown> Hi everyone
13 19:01:59 <stoney> Hi hi!
14 19:02:11 <kevin-brown> I likely won't be able to make it to the sprint
15 19:02:18 <stoney> no probablem
16 19:02:27 <stoney> I should also mention..
17 19:02:41 <stoney> you are welcome to pop in and out during that time
18 19:02:52 <stoney> so don't feel like you have to make the whole time or nothing
19 19:03:15 <stoney> again, you can also join in via IRC
20 19:03:29 <stoney> it's a good time to get burning questions answered
21 19:04:05 <stoney> #info Please welcome Roland, our newest member
22 19:04:13 <stoney> yeah!
23 19:04:20 <LoganH> Hi Roland :)
24 19:04:24 <Roland> :) Howdy
25 19:04:44 <stoney> Roland will be looking into the OpenCV bindings for Python3 issue
26 19:04:57 <stoney> more on that later
27 19:04:59 <kevin-brown> Awesome
28 19:05:14 <stoney> does anyone have any announcements? (we'll get to updates in just a moment)
29 19:05:58 <stoney> I'll take silence as a "no" :)
30 19:06:15 <stoney> #topic Updates
31 19:06:59 <stoney> Let's just run down more or less alphabetically and tell us what you've been working on and your current status
32 19:07:12 <stoney> so... kevin-brown you want to start?
33 19:07:19 <stoney> (please use #info)
34 19:08:05 <kevin-brown> #info Reviewing patches as they are attached on the bug tracker
35 19:08:29 <kevin-brown> Not much other than that, just recently got MouseTrap to run on my machine
36 19:08:35 <stoney> do you have a sense about how many are "ready" for commit?
37 19:09:02 <stoney> ok good!
38 19:09:06 <kevin-brown> Out of the current two patches, one appears to be ready to commit
39 19:09:25 <kevin-brown> I'll do an actual review (using the tracker) today
40 19:09:31 <LoganH> There was a patch I submitted months ago, that I think was reviewed and confirmed, that's waiting to be commited
41 19:09:38 <stoney> that would be great
42 19:09:48 <stoney> LoganH: ok good
43 19:10:01 <stoney> so we got tow maybe three ready?
44 19:10:15 <stoney> I'm sure that will be one of the first things heidi and I'll do on Friday
45 19:10:24 <kevin-brown> There is a patch out there on #710775 that does not appear to be correct
46 19:10:41 <kevin-brown> I've got a log for the problem on the issue
47 19:10:55 <stoney> good (regarding the log)
48 19:11:14 <LoganH> I am working on redoing that patch currently
49 19:11:23 <stoney> so if you want to see how patches are committed, get there early on Friday :)
50 19:11:35 <stoney> hi patti! :)
51 19:11:44 <patti> Hi! longtime...
52 19:12:00 <stoney> LoganH: will it be ready by Friday you think?
53 19:12:10 <stoney> patti: seriously :)
54 19:12:19 <stoney> patti: how are things?
55 19:12:41 <LoganH> Stoney: Homework depending yet. I will definitely work on that.
56 19:12:47 <stoney> LoganH: was that your update?
57 19:12:52 <patti> Well, much better now... I found a student who knows how to work with open source...
58 19:13:17 <stoney> patti: very cool... sounds like progress
59 19:13:18 <LoganH> That was more of my comment on kevin's update.
60 19:13:34 <patti> In one week, he accomplished what three of us couldn't do all last semester...
61 19:13:55 <stoney> LoganH: OK cool... if "redoing" the patch is fairly easy... you could do it Friday morning too
62 19:14:03 <LoganH> #info I have redone a patch for bug 691881, and re-submitted it. Should be cleaned up
63 19:14:03 <tota11y> 04Bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=691881 normal, Normal, ---, mousetrap-maint, UNCONFIRMED, Convert OpenCV to CV 2.3.1 and update corresponding code
64 19:14:11 <stoney> patti: isn't that always the case :)
65 19:14:42 <stoney> LoganH: Great!
66 19:14:51 <patti> @stoney I hope not...
67 19:14:57 <stoney> patti: :)
68 19:15:47 <stoney> patti: we were giving updates alphabetically, do you want to put in an official update about what you and your student(s) are working on?
69 19:17:12 <patti> sure... My students are working on trying to create an IDE for a student who can only program with one finger... Last semester we tried doing it with Caribou and Simon but made little progress...
70 19:18:21 <patti> The IDE will use the speech recognition and a keyboard as requested by the student
71 19:18:45 <stoney> very cool
72 19:18:54 <stoney> and what was the new student able to accomplish?
73 19:19:31 <patti> I had to drop one student from last semester because he did little to no work... The new student found the right platform on which to get SIMON to work... Kubuntu
74 19:20:06 <stoney> sorry to hear that about your first student...
75 19:20:15 <stoney> but I'm glad the new one is working out for you!
76 19:20:51 <stoney> paxnovem: do you have an update?
77 19:20:57 <patti> I had two students and one stayed... she had no experience with open source, but managed to do more than the experienced open source person from last semester
78 19:21:27 <stoney> wow, that's great
79 19:21:40 <LoganH> Wow :)
80 19:22:42 <stoney> maybe paxnovem isn't watching...
81 19:22:53 <stoney> might be busy
82 19:23:07 <stoney> we'll come back to him if he returns later
83 19:23:30 <stoney> Roland: do you have anything you want to report (totally understandable if you don't)?
84 19:23:49 <Roland> # info I will be working on the OpenCV bindings for the Python3 issue and other bugs that I can(think I can) resolve.
85 19:23:54 <Roland> heh
86 19:23:57 <Roland> :)
87 19:24:08 <stoney> there you go (no space between # and info)
88 19:24:10 <Roland> #info I will be working on the OpenCV bindings for the Python3 issue and other bugs that I can(think I can) resolve.
89 19:24:15 <stoney> there it is :)
90 19:24:22 <stoney> cool!
91 19:24:28 <stoney> and me...
92 19:24:30 <patti> was I supposed to so that?
93 19:24:52 <stoney> sure if you like... that will put it in the meeting notes
94 19:25:09 <stoney> rather than just the log (which is also available... but long)
95 19:25:39 <patti> #info My students are working on trying to create an IDE for a student who can only program with one finger... Last semester we tried doing it with Caribou and Simon but made little progress...
96 19:25:54 <stoney> #info Stoney has nothing to report.
97 19:26:04 <patti> #info I had to drop one student from last semester because he did little to no work... The new student found the right platform on which to get SIMON to work... Kubuntu
98 19:26:29 <stoney> perfect :)
99 19:26:29 <patti> #info I had two students and one stayed... she had no experience with open source, but managed to do more than the experienced open source person from last semester
100 19:26:37 <stoney> even more perfect :)
101 19:27:01 <stoney> #topic Discussion
102 19:27:25 <stoney> I thought I'd open it up to open discussion...
103 19:27:37 <stoney> if you got a problem...
104 19:27:41 <stoney> need some help...
105 19:27:48 <stoney> ask away
106 19:28:09 <stoney> maybe someone will be able to direct you one way or another :)
107 19:28:11 <patti> I can't remember how to ping someone right now...
108 19:28:26 <stoney> ah... just type their name
109 19:28:39 <stoney> that will ping them ... example patti
110 19:28:40 <LoganH> No problems here. Just going to redo my patch for that bug
111 19:28:49 <patti> stoney for example
112 19:28:54 <stoney> there you go
113 19:29:04 <stoney> I got a little beep and the line is highlighted
114 19:29:23 <stoney> LoganH is going to work on the OpenCV thing... was amber on that before?
115 19:29:25 <patti> So I have many questions
116 19:29:31 <stoney> go for it
117 19:29:37 <patti> but not about mousetrap
118 19:29:42 <stoney> that's fine
119 19:30:07 <LoganH> The OpenCV conversion to CV2 is done with my last patch. I'm now working on some GTK updates for Pad Mapper
120 19:30:20 <patti> Is it common that you have to try to install on many different platforms to get something to work...
121 19:30:23 <patti> ?
122 19:30:48 <stoney> patti: tough question (for me)
123 19:31:00 <stoney> patti: It depends on what the software depends on
124 19:31:29 <stoney> patti: if the software you are installing depends on common libraries that all distributions have by default...
125 19:31:30 <patti> We got very different behavior when we installed Simon on windows, ubuntu, fedora and only got it to work the way it is supposed to on kubuntu
126 19:31:37 <stoney> patti: then it should be the same
127 19:32:06 <stoney> patti: windows is probably a different beast all together
128 19:32:09 <patti> Still on kubuntu it was difficult with many error...
129 19:32:24 <stoney> patti: but I'm surprised by ubuntu, fedora, kubuntu issue
130 19:32:31 <kevin-brown> While I can't explain the kubuntu/ubuntu difference, the other three are different platforms (Windows being the most different)
131 19:33:07 <patti> kubuntu has KDE
132 19:33:14 <stoney> patti: the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu is primarily the window manager (KDE vs GNOME) right?
133 19:33:36 <stoney> patti: right... so the issue must be a difference between those
134 19:33:40 <patti> which is why we tried it...because SIMON works with KDE
135 19:34:13 <patti> But we wanted to get it to work with GNOME because we like the Caribou keyboard
136 19:34:36 <stoney> patti: but then that is also true for mousetrap... it only works on particular flavors of fedora at the moment... that's because the libraries in these platforms are changing over time
137 19:34:57 <patti> Still have not been able to install Caribou, but that was the part that was assigned to the student who was not very cooperative...
138 19:35:07 <stoney> patti: ah.... then you'll have to figure out what exactly is failing when you try ubunutu
139 19:35:38 <stoney> ic... heidi and some of her students have used caribou
140 19:35:47 <stoney> LoganH: weren't you one?
141 19:35:53 <patti> Simon was the good student's task and Caribo was the not so good student's task
142 19:36:06 <stoney> right
143 19:36:26 <patti> what platform does Caribou work best on?
144 19:37:02 <LoganH> No. Caribou was the year before me
145 19:37:30 <stoney> LoganH: Roland: so I should reconnect you two with Amber... I believe she was trying to compiling OpenCV against Python3
146 19:37:56 <LoganH> Okay
147 19:37:59 <Roland> sure
148 19:38:08 <stoney> #action virtually introduce Roland and Amber via email - CC LoganH
149 19:38:44 <stoney> patti: j o a n i e might have the answer... feel free to ping her now with the question
150 19:39:44 <stoney> let's wrap up with a "next steps" session
151 19:39:53 <stoney> #topic Next Steps
152 19:40:05 <stoney> rather than going in any kind of order
153 19:40:15 <stoney> just #info out your next step
154 19:40:32 <kevin-brown> Are we planning on doing a full switch to Python 3, or having polyglot code working on both 2.7 and 3?
155 19:40:59 <stoney> kevin-brown: the ultimate goal is python3
156 19:41:04 <patti> #info figure out what is the best platform for Caribou or find a keyboard that is AT-SPI2 compatible in Kubuntu
157 19:41:09 <stoney> kevin-brown: but that depends on the OpenCV issue
158 19:41:23 <kevin-brown> Alright, that makes sense as an end goal
159 19:41:30 <LoganH> #info redo Point Mapper patch
160 19:41:34 <kevin-brown> And what verison of Python 3 are we planning on targetting?
161 19:41:50 <stoney> #info apply, test, and commit patches
162 19:42:04 <stoney> #info connect Roland and Amber
163 19:42:18 <stoney> cool... anyone not have a direction?
164 19:42:26 <kevin-brown> #info look into a smooth transition to Python 3
165 19:42:48 <stoney> that sounds good
166 19:43:05 <stoney> OK... I'll hang out a few minutes more....
167 19:43:08 <stoney> Oh yea
168 19:43:15 <stoney> Starting next week....
169 19:43:30 <stoney> #info MouseTrap IRC meetings are at 1 Thursdays
170 19:44:06 <stoney> hope to see you (virtually or physically) at the sprint on Friday... otherwise... I'll talk to you all next Thursday
171 19:44:17 <stoney> #endmeeting
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