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18:59:55 <stoney> Hi
19:00:07 <stoney> glad so many of you could make it!
19:00:16 <stoney> Heidi is in a meeting and won't be here
19:00:26 <stoney> #topic Announcements
19:01:02 <stoney> #info MouseTrap sprint Friday from 9a-4p at WNE Herman 201 and virtually here
19:01:02 <LoganH> Hello
19:01:08 <stoney> hi :)
19:01:39 <stoney> I've been told there will be snacks and I think food for participants
19:01:47 <kevin-brown> Hi everyone
19:01:59 <stoney> Hi hi!
19:02:11 <kevin-brown> I likely won't be able to make it to the sprint
19:02:18 <stoney> no probablem
19:02:27 <stoney> I should also mention..
19:02:41 <stoney> you are welcome to pop in and out during that time
19:02:52 <stoney> so don't feel like you have to make the whole time or nothing
19:03:15 <stoney> again, you can also join in via IRC
19:03:29 <stoney> it's a good time to get burning questions answered
19:04:05 <stoney> #info Please welcome Roland, our newest member
19:04:13 <stoney> yeah!
19:04:20 <LoganH> Hi Roland :)
19:04:24 <Roland> :) Howdy
19:04:44 <stoney> Roland will be looking into the OpenCV bindings for Python3 issue
19:04:57 <stoney> more on that later
19:04:59 <kevin-brown> Awesome
19:05:14 <stoney> does anyone have any announcements? (we'll get to updates in just a moment)
19:05:58 <stoney> I'll take silence as a "no" :)
19:06:15 <stoney> #topic Updates
19:06:59 <stoney> Let's just run down more or less alphabetically and tell us what you've been working on and your current status
19:07:12 <stoney> so... kevin-brown you want to start?
19:07:19 <stoney> (please use #info)
19:08:05 <kevin-brown> #info Reviewing patches as they are attached on the bug tracker
19:08:29 <kevin-brown> Not much other than that, just recently got MouseTrap to run on my machine
19:08:35 <stoney> do you have a sense about how many are "ready" for commit?
19:09:02 <stoney> ok good!
19:09:06 <kevin-brown> Out of the current two patches, one appears to be ready to commit
19:09:25 <kevin-brown> I'll do an actual review (using the tracker) today
19:09:31 <LoganH> There was a patch I submitted months ago, that I think was reviewed and confirmed, that's waiting to be commited
19:09:38 <stoney> that would be great
19:09:48 <stoney> LoganH: ok good
19:10:01 <stoney> so we got tow maybe three ready?
19:10:15 <stoney> I'm sure that will be one of the first things heidi and I'll do on Friday
19:10:24 <kevin-brown> There is a patch out there on #710775 that does not appear to be correct
19:10:41 <kevin-brown> I've got a log for the problem on the issue
19:10:55 <stoney> good (regarding the log)
19:11:14 <LoganH> I am working on redoing that patch currently
19:11:23 <stoney> so if you want to see how patches are committed, get there early on Friday :)
19:11:35 <stoney> hi patti! :)
19:11:44 <patti> Hi! longtime...
19:12:00 <stoney> LoganH: will it be ready by Friday you think?
19:12:10 <stoney> patti: seriously :)
19:12:19 <stoney> patti: how are things?
19:12:41 <LoganH> Stoney: Homework depending yet. I will definitely work on that.
19:12:47 <stoney> LoganH: was that your update?
19:12:52 <patti> Well, much better now... I found a student who knows how to work with open source...
19:13:17 <stoney> patti: very cool... sounds like progress
19:13:18 <LoganH> That was more of my comment on kevin's update.
19:13:34 <patti> In one week, he accomplished what three of us couldn't do all last semester...
19:13:55 <stoney> LoganH: OK cool... if "redoing" the patch is fairly easy... you could do it Friday morning too
19:14:03 <LoganH> #info I have redone a patch for bug 691881, and re-submitted it. Should be cleaned up
19:14:03 <tota11y> 04Bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=691881 normal, Normal, ---, mousetrap-maint, UNCONFIRMED, Convert OpenCV to CV 2.3.1 and update corresponding code
19:14:11 <stoney> patti: isn't that always the case :)
19:14:42 <stoney> LoganH: Great!
19:14:51 <patti> @stoney I hope not...
19:14:57 <stoney> patti: :)
19:15:47 <stoney> patti: we were giving updates alphabetically, do you want to put in an official update about what you and your student(s) are working on?
19:17:12 <patti> sure... My students are working on trying to create an IDE for a student who can only program with one finger... Last semester we tried doing it with Caribou and Simon but made little progress...
19:18:21 <patti> The IDE will use the speech recognition and a keyboard as requested by the student
19:18:45 <stoney> very cool
19:18:54 <stoney> and what was the new student able to accomplish?
19:19:31 <patti> I had to drop one student from last semester because he did little to no work... The new student found the right platform on which to get SIMON to work... Kubuntu
19:20:06 <stoney> sorry to hear that about your first student...
19:20:15 <stoney> but I'm glad the new one is working out for you!
19:20:51 <stoney> paxnovem: do you have an update?
19:20:57 <patti> I had two students and one stayed... she had no experience with open source, but managed to do more than the experienced open source person from last semester
19:21:27 <stoney> wow, that's great
19:21:40 <LoganH> Wow :)
19:22:42 <stoney> maybe paxnovem isn't watching...
19:22:53 <stoney> might be busy
19:23:07 <stoney> we'll come back to him if he returns later
19:23:30 <stoney> Roland: do you have anything you want to report (totally understandable if you don't)?
19:23:49 <Roland> # info I will be working on the OpenCV bindings for the Python3 issue and other bugs that I can(think I can) resolve.
19:23:54 <Roland> heh
19:23:57 <Roland> :)
19:24:08 <stoney> there you go (no space between # and info)
19:24:10 <Roland> #info I will be working on the OpenCV bindings for the Python3 issue and other bugs that I can(think I can) resolve.
19:24:15 <stoney> there it is :)
19:24:22 <stoney> cool!
19:24:28 <stoney> and me...
19:24:30 <patti> was I supposed to so that?
19:24:52 <stoney> sure if you like... that will put it in the meeting notes
19:25:09 <stoney> rather than just the log (which is also available... but long)
19:25:39 <patti> #info  My students are working on trying to create an IDE for a student who can only program with one finger... Last semester we tried doing it with Caribou and Simon but made little progress...
19:25:54 <stoney> #info Stoney has nothing to report.
19:26:04 <patti> #info I had to drop one student from last semester because he did little to no work... The new student found the right platform on which to get SIMON to work... Kubuntu
19:26:29 <stoney> perfect :)
19:26:29 <patti> #info I had two students and one stayed... she had no experience with open source, but managed to do more than the experienced open source person from last semester
19:26:37 <stoney> even more perfect :)
19:27:01 <stoney> #topic Discussion
19:27:25 <stoney> I thought I'd open it up to open discussion...
19:27:37 <stoney> if you got a problem...
19:27:41 <stoney> need some help...
19:27:48 <stoney> ask away
19:28:09 <stoney> maybe someone will be able to direct you one way or another :)
19:28:11 <patti> I can't remember how to ping someone right now...
19:28:26 <stoney> ah... just type their name
19:28:39 <stoney> that will ping them ... example patti
19:28:40 <LoganH> No problems here. Just going to redo my patch for that bug
19:28:49 <patti> stoney  for example
19:28:54 <stoney> there you go
19:29:04 <stoney> I got a little beep and the line is highlighted
19:29:23 <stoney> LoganH is going to work on the OpenCV thing... was amber on that before?
19:29:25 <patti> So I have many questions
19:29:31 <stoney> go for it
19:29:37 <patti> but not about mousetrap
19:29:42 <stoney> that's fine
19:30:07 <LoganH> The OpenCV conversion to CV2 is done with my last patch. I'm now working on some GTK updates for Pad Mapper
19:30:20 <patti> Is it common that you have to try to install on many different platforms to get something to work...
19:30:23 <patti> ?
19:30:48 <stoney> patti: tough question (for me)
19:31:00 <stoney> patti: It depends on what the software depends on
19:31:29 <stoney> patti: if the software you are installing depends on common libraries that all distributions have by default...
19:31:30 <patti> We got very different behavior when we installed Simon on windows, ubuntu, fedora and only got it to work the way it is supposed to on kubuntu
19:31:37 <stoney> patti: then it should be the same
19:32:06 <stoney> patti: windows is probably a different beast all together
19:32:09 <patti> Still on kubuntu it was difficult with many error...
19:32:24 <stoney> patti: but I'm surprised by ubuntu, fedora, kubuntu issue
19:32:31 <kevin-brown> While I can't explain the kubuntu/ubuntu difference, the other three are different platforms (Windows being the most different)
19:33:07 <patti> kubuntu has KDE
19:33:14 <stoney> patti: the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu is primarily the window manager (KDE vs GNOME) right?
19:33:36 <stoney> patti: right... so the issue must be a difference between those
19:33:40 <patti> which is why we tried it...because SIMON works with KDE
19:34:13 <patti> But we wanted to get it to work with GNOME because we like the Caribou keyboard
19:34:36 <stoney> patti: but then that is also true for mousetrap... it only works on particular flavors of fedora at the moment... that's because the libraries in these platforms are changing over time
19:34:57 <patti> Still have not been able to install Caribou, but that was the part that was assigned to the student who was not very cooperative...
19:35:07 <stoney> patti: ah.... then you'll have to figure out what exactly is failing when you try ubunutu
19:35:38 <stoney> ic... heidi and some of her students have used caribou
19:35:47 <stoney> LoganH: weren't you one?
19:35:53 <patti> Simon was the good student's task and Caribo was the not so good student's task
19:36:06 <stoney> right
19:36:26 <patti> what platform does Caribou work best on?
19:37:02 <LoganH> No. Caribou was the year before me
19:37:30 <stoney> LoganH: Roland: so I should reconnect you two with Amber... I believe she was trying to compiling OpenCV against Python3
19:37:56 <LoganH> Okay
19:37:59 <Roland> sure
19:38:08 <stoney> #action virtually introduce Roland and Amber via email - CC LoganH
19:38:44 <stoney> patti: j o a n i e might have the answer... feel free to ping her now with the question
19:39:44 <stoney> let's wrap up with a "next steps" session
19:39:53 <stoney> #topic Next Steps
19:40:05 <stoney> rather than going in any kind of order
19:40:15 <stoney> just #info out your next step
19:40:32 <kevin-brown> Are we planning on doing a full switch to Python 3, or having polyglot code working on both 2.7 and 3?
19:40:59 <stoney> kevin-brown: the ultimate goal is python3
19:41:04 <patti> #info figure out what is the best platform for Caribou or find a keyboard that is AT-SPI2 compatible in Kubuntu
19:41:09 <stoney> kevin-brown: but that depends on the OpenCV issue
19:41:23 <kevin-brown> Alright, that makes sense as an end goal
19:41:30 <LoganH> #info redo Point Mapper patch
19:41:34 <kevin-brown> And what verison of Python 3 are we planning on targetting?
19:41:50 <stoney> #info apply, test, and commit patches
19:42:04 <stoney> #info connect Roland and Amber
19:42:18 <stoney> cool... anyone not have a direction?
19:42:26 <kevin-brown> #info look into a smooth transition to Python 3
19:42:48 <stoney> that sounds good
19:43:05 <stoney> OK... I'll hang out a few minutes more....
19:43:08 <stoney> Oh yea
19:43:15 <stoney> Starting next week....
19:43:30 <stoney> #info MouseTrap IRC meetings are at 1 Thursdays
19:44:06 <stoney> hope to see you (virtually or physically) at the sprint on Friday... otherwise... I'll talk to you all next Thursday
19:44:17 <stoney> #endmeeting