1 17:01:24 <stoney> #startmeeting
   2 17:01:24 <tota11y> Meeting started Fri Sep 13 17:01:24 2013 CET.  The chair is stoney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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   4 17:01:33 <stoney> #chair LoganH
   5 17:01:33 <tota11y> Current chairs: LoganH stoney
   6 17:01:39 <stoney> #chair heidi
   7 17:01:39 <tota11y> Current chairs: LoganH heidi stoney
   8 17:01:50 <stoney> http://titanpad.com/MouseTrapAgenda
   9 17:02:12 <stoney> I made an agenda because we have a bit more than normal to discuss
  10 17:02:17 * joanie looks
  11 17:02:25 <stoney> #link http://titanpad.com/MouseTrapAgenda
  12 17:02:42 <stoney> I posted it again for AndroUser's sake
  13 17:03:06 <stoney> So if you are here... please say so :)
  14 17:03:14 <heidi> Good job Stoney!
  15 17:03:17 <AndroUser> Its Amber as the andro. Hello everyone!
  16 17:03:25 <heidi> And note that we should have at least some of the SE students here as well.
  17 17:03:30 <stoney> oh hi! :)
  18 17:03:37 <stoney> i didn't recognize you! :)
  19 17:03:40 <stoney> lol
  20 17:03:59 <stoney> #topic updates
  21 17:04:24 <stoney> before we discuss those items, let's get a quick update from anyone who has one
  22 17:04:41 <stoney> please just shout it out using a #info
  23 17:04:54 <AndroUser> No updates here
  24 17:04:55 <LoganH> #info Nothing new from me since last week
  25 17:04:59 <stoney> #info been upstreaming
  26 17:05:19 <stoney> OK... that was easy :)
  27 17:05:36 <stoney> #topic Personnel
  28 17:05:54 <stoney> Patti couldn't make it today, she'll try next week
  29 17:06:13 <heidi> Any idea on her progress?
  30 17:06:32 <stoney> I don't know
  31 17:06:34 <joanie> question, is this Patti the professor?
  32 17:06:39 <stoney> yes
  33 17:06:44 <joanie> so....
  34 17:06:47 <stoney> working on the assistive IDE
  35 17:06:49 * heidi thinks that we should take good notes as SE students are going to be reading the notes.
  36 17:06:54 <joanie> she emailed me recently
  37 17:07:20 <joanie> saying that the student in question prefers windows, that there is simon for windows, and asking if there is caribou for windows
  38 17:07:27 <joanie> s/windows/Windows/
  39 17:07:32 <heidi> Ah, righ.
  40 17:07:41 <joanie> my guess is she is not part of this project
  41 17:07:44 <joanie> am I wrong?
  42 17:08:01 * LoganH heidi, I am making notes for the class
  43 17:08:06 <joanie> I am all for her participating, mind you
  44 17:08:12 <joanie> I just am not expecting her to
  45 17:08:31 <stoney> she's not part of MouseTrap, but we want to include her and give her an easy place to get help
  46 17:08:37 <heidi> loganh: yes good, but they should either be here or learn to read the log notes :-)
  47 17:08:51 * joanie nods at stoney
  48 17:09:10 * heidi agrees that Patti should be integrated as much as possible.
  49 17:09:36 <stoney> anything else about Patti before we move on?
  50 17:09:54 <joanie> not from me
  51 17:09:57 <stoney> ok, next item
  52 17:10:00 <stoney> cool
  53 17:10:07 <stoney> Peter Bui is bowing out
  54 17:10:12 <stoney> I got an email from him..
  55 17:10:14 <joanie> :(
  56 17:10:25 <stoney> saying that he doesn't feel like he's contributing much...
  57 17:10:37 <stoney> especially since he doesn't have any students working on the project...
  58 17:10:46 <stoney> I responded something to the effect. ...
  59 17:11:03 <stoney> bummer... if you ever get a student or have more time... come on back
  60 17:11:46 <stoney> so... that means going forward opencv+python3 needs a champion
  61 17:11:56 <joanie> I can help with python3
  62 17:12:11 <joanie> I know 0 about opencv (and no time to learn it)
  63 17:12:17 <stoney> right... but specifically the opencv bindings for python3
  64 17:12:25 <heidi> Ah, yes. Does Peter have any independent study students?
  65 17:12:29 <stoney> which look experimental in opencv's repo
  66 17:12:48 <joanie> did Peter get in touch with that team?
  67 17:12:49 <stoney> he didn't say... care to persuade him heidi ?
  68 17:13:03 <heidi> I'll see what i can do.
  69 17:13:31 <stoney> joanie: I remember him saying something about posting an offer to help with updating opencv python bindings...
  70 17:13:38 <stoney> but I don't think he got a response back
  71 17:13:44 <stoney> thanks heidi
  72 17:13:49 <stoney> :)
  73 17:13:56 <joanie> let's hope heidi succeeds
  74 17:13:57 <joanie> but
  75 17:14:06 <heidi> :-)
  76 17:14:10 <joanie> if not, we need a list of where things stand that he was doing
  77 17:14:59 <stoney> I think he was about to try to compile opencv with the python3 bindings
  78 17:15:15 <stoney> cmake was a stumbling block for him
  79 17:15:32 <joanie> that reminds me of something
  80 17:15:38 <stoney> otherwise, I don't think there was much code... just a plan being formed
  81 17:15:44 <stoney> joanie: go for it
  82 17:15:58 <joanie> I have vague recollections of trying to build opencv from source
  83 17:16:02 <joanie> it failing due to cmake
  84 17:16:08 <stoney> lol
  85 17:16:18 <joanie> and my emailing someone.... heidi perhaps a patch that got most of those issues solved
  86 17:16:28 <joanie> this was months and months ago
  87 17:16:39 <stoney> for this project?
  88 17:16:43 <joanie> yeah
  89 17:16:47 <stoney> ah...
  90 17:16:57 <heidi> Yes.
  91 17:16:59 * heidi looks
  92 17:17:00 <joanie> I wasn't just being snarky about cmake ;)
  93 17:17:45 <joanie> anyhoo, we probably shouldn't deep dive on it, but heidi *might* have a fix in her archived email
  94 17:17:47 * stoney crosses fingers as heidi looks
  95 17:17:56 <stoney> cool
  96 17:18:03 <joanie> after code freeze I can try again to build it
  97 17:18:03 <heidi> Found it. Will post to mousetrap list
  98 17:18:12 <stoney> wuhoo!!
  99 17:18:17 <stoney> excellent
 100 17:18:38 <stoney> #action heidi will post patch from joanie regarding opencv stuff
 101 17:18:44 <joanie> heidi: let's make sure it works
 102 17:18:50 <joanie> it may have been a hack
 103 17:18:52 <heidi> joanie: Right!
 104 17:18:57 <heidi> We'll look at it.
 105 17:18:59 <joanie> s/may/almost certainly was/
 106 17:19:07 <stoney> :)
 107 17:19:14 * heidi thinks that it might make sense to have a "lab day" in SE class where we hack on some of this stuff.
 108 17:19:29 <stoney> #topic Upstream efforts
 109 17:20:01 <stoney> So, logan_test and all its derivs are frozen until upstream is complete
 110 17:20:10 * LoganH Agrees with heidi
 111 17:20:39 <stoney> I created a new set of patches and sent them to joanie this morning
 112 17:20:56 * heidi thinks that working with Stoney is a wonderful thing!
 113 17:21:05 <joanie> +1 to that heidi
 114 17:21:09 <stoney> thanks :)
 115 17:21:10 <heidi> :-)
 116 17:21:13 * stoney blushes
 117 17:21:43 <joanie> I am currently in the midst of last-minute gnome 3.10 stuff
 118 17:21:48 <stoney> when this is done... the new branch on git.gnome.org will be what? gnome3?
 119 17:21:49 <joanie> but hard code freeze is monday
 120 17:21:57 <joanie> and then I will have plenty of time ;)
 121 17:22:09 <stoney> fine by me :)
 122 17:22:12 <joanie> so can we aim for early next week for upstreaming?
 123 17:22:19 <heidi> Fine by me.
 124 17:22:21 <stoney> sounds good
 125 17:22:23 <joanie> cool
 126 17:22:34 <joanie> and thanks for doing the squashing!
 127 17:22:36 <heidi> Tuesdays are a bit full for me, but otherwise free.
 128 17:22:43 <stoney> #agreed upstreaming early next week
 129 17:22:44 <joanie> Wednesday then
 130 17:23:00 <stoney> #agreed upstreaming Wednesday
 131 17:23:02 <joanie> and Tuesday (if not sooner) I will focus on this stuff
 132 17:23:12 <heidi> Yup, that works.
 133 17:23:14 <stoney> great thanks :)
 134 17:23:49 <stoney> joanie: anything else I or others should be doing to make upstreaming smoother?
 135 17:23:56 <joanie> heidi: at some point, let's schedule some time when you and I can work in real time on Wednesday
 136 17:24:19 <joanie> stoney: probably not
 137 17:24:25 <stoney> okie dokie
 138 17:24:26 <joanie> but I won't know until I apply the patches, etc.
 139 17:24:38 <heidi> OK.
 140 17:24:38 <joanie> but those things are things I can work with heidi on
 141 17:24:47 <joanie> since she's the one who has to branch and commit the stuff ;)
 142 17:24:54 * stoney checking calendar
 143 17:25:05 <heidi> joanie: Sure, :-) and lets get Stoney too.
 144 17:25:16 <joanie> absolutely
 145 17:25:17 <stoney> I should be available Wed.
 146 17:25:21 <heidi> :-)
 147 17:25:30 <heidi> Not 11-12 or after 3. Otherwise free.
 148 17:25:34 <stoney> I'll drive in
 149 17:25:44 <stoney> morning?
 150 17:26:02 <stoney> I should be able to get there by 9
 151 17:26:33 <joanie> up to y'all
 152 17:26:38 <heidi> OK< deal!
 153 17:26:48 <stoney> 9am
 154 17:26:55 * joanie notes it down
 155 17:27:04 <stoney> #agreed 9am wednesday... upstreamming
 156 17:27:32 <joanie> heidi: homework for you :)
 157 17:27:35 <heidi> Sure!
 158 17:27:50 <stoney> are you assigning homework?
 159 17:28:13 <joanie> 1. be sure you can clone mousetrap as you
 160 17:28:16 <joanie> via ssh
 161 17:28:45 <joanie> 2. Read https://wiki.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner
 162 17:28:45 <heidi> assuming from the gnome repo
 163 17:28:50 <joanie> heidi: yes
 164 17:28:55 <joanie> because if you cannot clone as you
 165 17:29:00 <joanie> we cannot upstream
 166 17:29:05 <joanie> or you cannot
 167 17:29:09 <joanie> and you are going to do this :)
 168 17:29:28 <joanie> the maintainer's corrner page tells you how to branch
 169 17:29:32 <stoney> joanie: how would she test this without pushing something (or is this on that link)?
 170 17:29:43 <heidi> Yup
 171 17:29:53 <joanie> if you clone via ssh
 172 17:29:55 <joanie> and it fails
 173 17:30:00 <joanie> that tests it
 174 17:30:03 <stoney> ah, ok
 175 17:30:10 <joanie> creating the branch will too
 176 17:30:25 <stoney> so its the URI used in the clone, got it
 177 17:30:26 <heidi> Yup
 178 17:30:41 <joanie> let's call the branch, as I noted in the pad, gnome3-wip
 179 17:30:45 <joanie> wip == work in progress
 180 17:30:55 <joanie> and makes it clear to all (who care) that it's not done yet
 181 17:31:02 <joanie> and might not work
 182 17:31:03 <joanie> :)
 183 17:31:10 <heidi> Yup, just to confirm. I'm supposed to create the branch gnome3-wip
 184 17:31:12 <stoney> #info new branch on git.gnome.org will be gnome3-wip
 185 17:31:23 <joanie> heidi: yup
 186 17:31:39 <stoney> #action heidi will create the new branch
 187 17:31:41 <joanie> and if you have problems, ping me
 188 17:31:41 <heidi> Can do.
 189 17:31:45 <joanie> and when you are done, ping me
 190 17:31:46 <heidi> OK, will do.
 191 17:31:49 <joanie> so I can verify it
 192 17:31:58 <joanie> that will make wed go much smoother
 193 17:32:01 <joanie> and quicker
 194 17:32:01 <heidi> Yup, that makes sense :-)
 195 17:32:04 <stoney> this is what is happening Wednesday... or before Wednesday?
 196 17:32:05 <joanie> thanks!
 197 17:32:10 <joanie> before wednesday
 198 17:32:18 <stoney> ok
 199 17:32:22 <joanie> because if she has access problems
 200 17:32:25 <heidi> Yes, I'll try over the weekend.
 201 17:32:29 <joanie> nothing else we need to do can happen
 202 17:32:35 <stoney> we have a plan
 203 17:32:40 <joanie> indeed :)
 204 17:32:50 <stoney> #topic After Upstream
 205 17:33:03 <joanie> joanie: bosser-arounder-extraordinaire
 206 17:33:13 <heidi> stoney: it occurs to me that we should be writing this down somewhere. Just to keep track of how things work.
 207 17:33:17 <heidi> :-)
 208 17:33:41 <stoney> future development will proceed on the new branch on git.gnome.org
 209 17:33:43 <stoney> so...
 210 17:33:59 <stoney> what should we do with Amber's clone
 211 17:34:01 <stoney> ?
 212 17:34:11 <stoney> freeze it... delete it?
 213 17:34:15 <AndroUser> It can be deleted
 214 17:34:41 <stoney> (also Stoney's clone... since there is no work there... I'm assuming a delete is fine)
 215 17:34:54 <LoganH> Delete would probably make sense, to avoid all confusion
 216 17:35:34 <heidi> Ummm, _after_ we ensure that the gnome3-wip branch is up and running correctly...
 217 17:35:40 <stoney> I'm wondering if it would make sense for me to fork amber's and call it something like dead-mousetrap...
 218 17:35:44 <stoney> just in case
 219 17:35:53 <stoney> then we can delete amber's
 220 17:36:10 <stoney> that way... no confusion (dead- and all)
 221 17:36:25 <joanie> fwiw there are so many clones of so many projects out there
 222 17:36:27 <stoney> and if there was something that got left out... we can go back for it
 223 17:36:40 <LoganH> Agreed
 224 17:36:42 <joanie> if people get confused, it's their fault for not cloning from upstream
 225 17:36:45 <joanie> imho
 226 17:36:58 <stoney> true
 227 17:37:13 <stoney> but I'd like to be a good citizen :)
 228 17:37:18 <joanie> :)
 229 17:37:18 <heidi> Hey mikes
 230 17:37:28 <heidi> We're talking about upstreaming mousetrap
 231 17:37:31 <MikeS> Hello heidi
 232 17:38:24 <stoney> we still have time to think about what to do with the clones... for now let's leave them
 233 17:38:40 <heidi> Yes, right. I like the idea of identifying the old branch as "dead"
 234 17:38:41 <stoney> we'll deal with them in a few weeks
 235 17:39:29 <stoney> #agreed revisit what to do with Amber and Stoney clones in 3 weeks
 236 17:39:35 <stoney> good ?
 237 17:39:50 <stoney> I guess I shouldn't put in agreed until we're agreed :)
 238 17:39:57 <heidi> :-) or when gnome3-wip branch is functional. Whichever is later.
 239 17:40:07 <stoney> good point
 240 17:40:17 <stoney> #topic other items
 241 17:40:25 <stoney> anyone got anything else?
 242 17:40:41 <AndroUser> Maybe next steps?
 243 17:40:49 <stoney> #topic next steps
 244 17:40:52 <heidi> Yes, good AndroUser
 245 17:40:54 <heidi> :-)
 246 17:41:14 <stoney> #chair AndroUser
 247 17:41:14 <tota11y> Current chairs: AndroUser LoganH heidi stoney
 248 17:41:23 <stoney> take it away :)
 249 17:41:37 <AndroUser> I'm noy really sure what I should be doing in the meantime? While were upstreaming
 250 17:41:56 <heidi> AndroUser: Aren't you still on break? :-)
 251 17:42:05 <AndroUser> Yes
 252 17:42:25 <AndroUser> But now is prpbably when ill have time to do things
 253 17:42:42 <heidi> Ah, OK
 254 17:42:47 <stoney> what about this opencv/pthon3 issue
 255 17:42:48 <joanie> whatever needs to be done still needs to be done
 256 17:42:55 <heidi> Can you join us for upstreaming Weds morning as well?
 257 17:43:02 <joanie> and can be merged into the upstream branch
 258 17:43:18 <heidi> AndroUser: If you'd like to investigate the opencv/python issue, that would be great1
 259 17:43:29 <AndroUser> O ok. So still worl out of logans?
 260 17:43:40 <stoney> branch off of it
 261 17:43:41 <joanie> AndroUser: sure
 262 17:43:42 <stoney> but yes
 263 17:43:42 <AndroUser> I can lool into iy
 264 17:43:54 <stoney> or maybe I should tag it
 265 17:43:56 <joanie> because in the end, the code will be the same
 266 17:44:01 <joanie> and patches will (should) apply
 267 17:44:06 <heidi> Yes.
 268 17:44:21 <heidi> AndroUser: Do you need history on the issue?
 269 17:44:31 <AndroUser> Yes
 270 17:44:42 <heidi> Peter Bui has been working on this most recently. I'll put you in touch with him via email so that he can update you.
 271 17:44:55 <AndroUser> Ok
 272 17:45:01 <joanie> heidi: mind ccing me?
 273 17:45:12 <heidi> Sure! And Stoney
 274 17:45:16 <joanie> thanks
 275 17:45:30 <stoney> cool
 276 17:46:01 <stoney> ok... so LoganH will get his marching orders from heidi's class... right?
 277 17:46:10 <heidi> Yes.
 278 17:46:12 <heidi> :-)
 279 17:46:14 <stoney> :)
 280 17:46:18 <LoganH> :) :)
 281 17:46:24 <stoney> anyone else need something to do?
 282 17:46:33 <heidi> Just for clarification, LoganH is only working on the project within the context of the course.
 283 17:46:41 <heidi> So we can't tap him to do outside work, at least for this semester.
 284 17:46:49 <heidi> He'll be back after the end of the semester :-)
 285 17:46:49 <stoney> right
 286 17:47:16 <stoney> any other topics?
 287 17:47:30 <stoney> Going 1...
 288 17:47:35 <stoney> Going 2...
 289 17:47:43 <heidi> As always, thank you joanie!
 290 17:48:04 <joanie> and thank you heidie
 291 17:48:05 <stoney> Yes... thanks joanie ... and thanks all for being here!
 292 17:48:07 <joanie> you're doing the work
 293 17:48:19 <AndroUser> Thanks everyone
 294 17:48:23 <heidi> but you're giving us support and direction and we really appreciate that!
 295 17:48:26 <stoney> #stopmeeting
 296 17:48:29 <stoney> #endmeeting