17:01:24 <stoney> #startmeeting
17:01:24 <tota11y> Meeting started Fri Sep 13 17:01:24 2013 CET.  The chair is stoney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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17:01:33 <stoney> #chair LoganH
17:01:33 <tota11y> Current chairs: LoganH stoney
17:01:39 <stoney> #chair heidi
17:01:39 <tota11y> Current chairs: LoganH heidi stoney
17:01:50 <stoney> http://titanpad.com/MouseTrapAgenda
17:02:12 <stoney> I made an agenda because we have a bit more than normal to discuss
17:02:17 * joanie looks
17:02:25 <stoney> #link http://titanpad.com/MouseTrapAgenda
17:02:42 <stoney> I posted it again for AndroUser's sake
17:03:06 <stoney> So if you are here... please say so :)
17:03:14 <heidi> Good job Stoney!
17:03:17 <AndroUser> Its Amber as the andro. Hello everyone!
17:03:25 <heidi> And note that we should have at least some of the SE students here as well.
17:03:30 <stoney> oh hi! :)
17:03:37 <stoney> i didn't recognize you! :)
17:03:40 <stoney> lol
17:03:59 <stoney> #topic updates
17:04:24 <stoney> before we discuss those items, let's get a quick update from anyone who has one
17:04:41 <stoney> please just shout it out using a #info
17:04:54 <AndroUser> No updates here
17:04:55 <LoganH> #info Nothing new from me since last week
17:04:59 <stoney> #info been upstreaming
17:05:19 <stoney> OK... that was easy :)
17:05:36 <stoney> #topic Personnel
17:05:54 <stoney> Patti couldn't make it today, she'll try next week
17:06:13 <heidi> Any idea on her progress?
17:06:32 <stoney> I don't know
17:06:34 <joanie> question, is this Patti the professor?
17:06:39 <stoney> yes
17:06:44 <joanie> so....
17:06:47 <stoney> working on the assistive IDE
17:06:49 * heidi thinks that we should take good notes as SE students are going to be reading the notes.
17:06:54 <joanie> she emailed me recently
17:07:20 <joanie> saying that the student in question prefers windows, that there is simon for windows, and asking if there is caribou for windows
17:07:27 <joanie> s/windows/Windows/
17:07:32 <heidi> Ah, righ.
17:07:41 <joanie> my guess is she is not part of this project
17:07:44 <joanie> am I wrong?
17:08:01 * LoganH heidi, I am making notes for the class
17:08:06 <joanie> I am all for her participating, mind you
17:08:12 <joanie> I just am not expecting her to
17:08:31 <stoney> she's not part of MouseTrap, but we want to include her and give her an easy place to get help
17:08:37 <heidi> loganh: yes good, but they should either be here or learn to read the log notes :-)
17:08:51 * joanie nods at stoney
17:09:10 * heidi agrees that Patti should be integrated as much as possible.
17:09:36 <stoney> anything else about Patti before we move on?
17:09:54 <joanie> not from me
17:09:57 <stoney> ok, next item
17:10:00 <stoney> cool
17:10:07 <stoney> Peter Bui is bowing out
17:10:12 <stoney> I got an email from him..
17:10:14 <joanie> :(
17:10:25 <stoney> saying that he doesn't feel like he's contributing much...
17:10:37 <stoney> especially since he doesn't have any students working on the project...
17:10:46 <stoney> I responded something to the effect. ...
17:11:03 <stoney> bummer... if you ever get a student or have more time... come on back
17:11:46 <stoney> so... that means going forward opencv+python3 needs a champion
17:11:56 <joanie> I can help with python3
17:12:11 <joanie> I know 0 about opencv (and no time to learn it)
17:12:17 <stoney> right... but specifically the opencv bindings for python3
17:12:25 <heidi> Ah, yes. Does Peter have any independent study students?
17:12:29 <stoney> which look experimental in opencv's repo
17:12:48 <joanie> did Peter get in touch with that team?
17:12:49 <stoney> he didn't say... care to persuade him heidi ?
17:13:03 <heidi> I'll see what i can do.
17:13:31 <stoney> joanie: I remember him saying something about posting an offer to help with updating opencv python bindings...
17:13:38 <stoney> but I don't think he got a response back
17:13:44 <stoney> thanks heidi
17:13:49 <stoney> :)
17:13:56 <joanie> let's hope heidi succeeds
17:13:57 <joanie> but
17:14:06 <heidi> :-)
17:14:10 <joanie> if not, we need a list of where things stand that he was doing
17:14:59 <stoney> I think he was about to try to compile opencv with the python3 bindings
17:15:15 <stoney> cmake was a stumbling block for him
17:15:32 <joanie> that reminds me of something
17:15:38 <stoney> otherwise, I don't think there was much code... just a plan being formed
17:15:44 <stoney> joanie: go for it
17:15:58 <joanie> I have vague recollections of trying to build opencv from source
17:16:02 <joanie> it failing due to cmake
17:16:08 <stoney> lol
17:16:18 <joanie> and my emailing someone.... heidi perhaps a patch that got most of those issues solved
17:16:28 <joanie> this was months and months ago
17:16:39 <stoney> for this project?
17:16:43 <joanie> yeah
17:16:47 <stoney> ah...
17:16:57 <heidi> Yes.
17:16:59 * heidi looks
17:17:00 <joanie> I wasn't just being snarky about cmake ;)
17:17:45 <joanie> anyhoo, we probably shouldn't deep dive on it, but heidi *might* have a fix in her archived email
17:17:47 * stoney crosses fingers as heidi looks
17:17:56 <stoney> cool
17:18:03 <joanie> after code freeze I can try again to build it
17:18:03 <heidi> Found it. Will post to mousetrap list
17:18:12 <stoney> wuhoo!!
17:18:17 <stoney> excellent
17:18:38 <stoney> #action heidi will post patch from joanie regarding opencv stuff
17:18:44 <joanie> heidi: let's make sure it works
17:18:50 <joanie> it may have been a hack
17:18:52 <heidi> joanie: Right!
17:18:57 <heidi> We'll look at it.
17:18:59 <joanie> s/may/almost certainly was/
17:19:07 <stoney> :)
17:19:14 * heidi thinks that it might make sense to have a "lab day" in SE class where we hack on some of this stuff.
17:19:29 <stoney> #topic Upstream efforts
17:20:01 <stoney> So, logan_test and all its derivs are frozen until upstream is complete
17:20:10 * LoganH Agrees with heidi
17:20:39 <stoney> I created a new set of patches and sent them to joanie this morning
17:20:56 * heidi thinks that working with Stoney is a wonderful thing!
17:21:05 <joanie> +1 to that heidi
17:21:09 <stoney> thanks :)
17:21:10 <heidi> :-)
17:21:13 * stoney blushes
17:21:43 <joanie> I am currently in the midst of last-minute gnome 3.10 stuff
17:21:48 <stoney> when this is done... the new branch on git.gnome.org will be what? gnome3?
17:21:49 <joanie> but hard code freeze is monday
17:21:57 <joanie> and then I will have plenty of time ;)
17:22:09 <stoney> fine by me :)
17:22:12 <joanie> so can we aim for early next week for upstreaming?
17:22:19 <heidi> Fine by me.
17:22:21 <stoney> sounds good
17:22:23 <joanie> cool
17:22:34 <joanie> and thanks for doing the squashing!
17:22:36 <heidi> Tuesdays are a bit full for me, but otherwise free.
17:22:43 <stoney> #agreed upstreaming early next week
17:22:44 <joanie> Wednesday then
17:23:00 <stoney> #agreed upstreaming Wednesday
17:23:02 <joanie> and Tuesday (if not sooner) I will focus on this stuff
17:23:12 <heidi> Yup, that works.
17:23:14 <stoney> great thanks :)
17:23:49 <stoney> joanie: anything else I or others should be doing to make upstreaming smoother?
17:23:56 <joanie> heidi: at some point, let's schedule some time when you and I can work in real time on Wednesday
17:24:19 <joanie> stoney: probably not
17:24:25 <stoney> okie dokie
17:24:26 <joanie> but I won't know until I apply the patches, etc.
17:24:38 <heidi> OK.
17:24:38 <joanie> but those things are things I can work with heidi on
17:24:47 <joanie> since she's the one who has to branch and commit the stuff ;)
17:24:54 * stoney checking calendar
17:25:05 <heidi> joanie: Sure, :-) and lets get Stoney too.
17:25:16 <joanie> absolutely
17:25:17 <stoney> I should be available Wed.
17:25:21 <heidi> :-)
17:25:30 <heidi> Not 11-12 or after 3. Otherwise free.
17:25:34 <stoney> I'll drive in
17:25:44 <stoney> morning?
17:26:02 <stoney> I should be able to get there by 9
17:26:33 <joanie> up to y'all
17:26:38 <heidi> OK< deal!
17:26:48 <stoney> 9am
17:26:55 * joanie notes it down
17:27:04 <stoney> #agreed 9am wednesday... upstreamming
17:27:32 <joanie> heidi: homework for you :)
17:27:35 <heidi> Sure!
17:27:50 <stoney> are you assigning homework?
17:28:13 <joanie> 1. be sure you can clone mousetrap as you
17:28:16 <joanie> via ssh
17:28:45 <joanie> 2. Read https://wiki.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner
17:28:45 <heidi> assuming from the gnome repo
17:28:50 <joanie> heidi: yes
17:28:55 <joanie> because if you cannot clone as you
17:29:00 <joanie> we cannot upstream
17:29:05 <joanie> or you cannot
17:29:09 <joanie> and you are going to do this :)
17:29:28 <joanie> the maintainer's corrner page tells you how to branch
17:29:32 <stoney> joanie: how would she test this without pushing something (or is this on that link)?
17:29:43 <heidi> Yup
17:29:53 <joanie> if you clone via ssh
17:29:55 <joanie> and it fails
17:30:00 <joanie> that tests it
17:30:03 <stoney> ah, ok
17:30:10 <joanie> creating the branch will too
17:30:25 <stoney> so its the URI used in the clone, got it
17:30:26 <heidi> Yup
17:30:41 <joanie> let's call the branch, as I noted in the pad, gnome3-wip
17:30:45 <joanie> wip == work in progress
17:30:55 <joanie> and makes it clear to all (who care) that it's not done yet
17:31:02 <joanie> and might not work
17:31:03 <joanie> :)
17:31:10 <heidi> Yup, just to confirm. I'm supposed to create the branch gnome3-wip
17:31:12 <stoney> #info new branch on git.gnome.org will be gnome3-wip
17:31:23 <joanie> heidi: yup
17:31:39 <stoney> #action heidi will create the new branch
17:31:41 <joanie> and if you have problems, ping me
17:31:41 <heidi> Can do.
17:31:45 <joanie> and when you are done, ping me
17:31:46 <heidi> OK, will do.
17:31:49 <joanie> so I can verify it
17:31:58 <joanie> that will make wed go much smoother
17:32:01 <joanie> and quicker
17:32:01 <heidi> Yup, that makes sense :-)
17:32:04 <stoney> this is what is happening Wednesday... or before Wednesday?
17:32:05 <joanie> thanks!
17:32:10 <joanie> before wednesday
17:32:18 <stoney> ok
17:32:22 <joanie> because if she has access problems
17:32:25 <heidi> Yes, I'll try over the weekend.
17:32:29 <joanie> nothing else we need to do can happen
17:32:35 <stoney> we have a plan
17:32:40 <joanie> indeed :)
17:32:50 <stoney> #topic After Upstream
17:33:03 <joanie> joanie: bosser-arounder-extraordinaire
17:33:13 <heidi> stoney: it occurs to me that we should be writing this down somewhere. Just to keep track of how things work.
17:33:17 <heidi> :-)
17:33:41 <stoney> future development will proceed on the new branch on git.gnome.org
17:33:43 <stoney> so...
17:33:59 <stoney> what should we do with Amber's clone
17:34:01 <stoney> ?
17:34:11 <stoney> freeze it... delete it?
17:34:15 <AndroUser> It can be deleted
17:34:41 <stoney> (also Stoney's clone... since there is no work there... I'm assuming a delete is fine)
17:34:54 <LoganH> Delete would probably make sense, to avoid all confusion
17:35:34 <heidi> Ummm, _after_ we ensure that the gnome3-wip branch is up and running correctly...
17:35:40 <stoney> I'm wondering if it would make sense for me to fork amber's and call it something like dead-mousetrap...
17:35:44 <stoney> just in case
17:35:53 <stoney> then we can delete amber's
17:36:10 <stoney> that way... no confusion (dead- and all)
17:36:25 <joanie> fwiw there are so many clones of so many projects out there
17:36:27 <stoney> and if there was something that got left out... we can go back for it
17:36:40 <LoganH> Agreed
17:36:42 <joanie> if people get confused, it's their fault for not cloning from upstream
17:36:45 <joanie> imho
17:36:58 <stoney> true
17:37:13 <stoney> but I'd like to be a good citizen :)
17:37:18 <joanie> :)
17:37:18 <heidi> Hey mikes
17:37:28 <heidi> We're talking about upstreaming mousetrap
17:37:31 <MikeS> Hello heidi
17:38:24 <stoney> we still have time to think about what to do with the clones... for now let's leave them
17:38:40 <heidi> Yes, right. I like the idea of identifying the old branch as "dead"
17:38:41 <stoney> we'll deal with them in a few weeks
17:39:29 <stoney> #agreed revisit what to do with Amber and Stoney clones in 3 weeks
17:39:35 <stoney> good ?
17:39:50 <stoney> I guess I shouldn't put in agreed until we're agreed :)
17:39:57 <heidi> :-) or when gnome3-wip branch is functional. Whichever is later.
17:40:07 <stoney> good point
17:40:17 <stoney> #topic other items
17:40:25 <stoney> anyone got anything else?
17:40:41 <AndroUser> Maybe next steps?
17:40:49 <stoney> #topic next steps
17:40:52 <heidi> Yes, good AndroUser
17:40:54 <heidi> :-)
17:41:14 <stoney> #chair AndroUser
17:41:14 <tota11y> Current chairs: AndroUser LoganH heidi stoney
17:41:23 <stoney> take it away :)
17:41:37 <AndroUser> I'm noy really sure what I should be doing in the meantime? While were upstreaming
17:41:56 <heidi> AndroUser: Aren't you still on break? :-)
17:42:05 <AndroUser> Yes
17:42:25 <AndroUser> But now is prpbably when ill have time to do things
17:42:42 <heidi> Ah, OK
17:42:47 <stoney> what about this opencv/pthon3 issue
17:42:48 <joanie> whatever needs to be done still needs to be done
17:42:55 <heidi> Can you join us for upstreaming Weds morning as well?
17:43:02 <joanie> and can be merged into the upstream branch
17:43:18 <heidi> AndroUser: If you'd like to investigate the opencv/python issue, that would be great1
17:43:29 <AndroUser> O ok. So still worl out of logans?
17:43:40 <stoney> branch off of it
17:43:41 <joanie> AndroUser: sure
17:43:42 <stoney> but yes
17:43:42 <AndroUser> I can lool into iy
17:43:54 <stoney> or maybe I should tag it
17:43:56 <joanie> because in the end, the code will be the same
17:44:01 <joanie> and patches will (should) apply
17:44:06 <heidi> Yes.
17:44:21 <heidi> AndroUser: Do you need history on the issue?
17:44:31 <AndroUser> Yes
17:44:42 <heidi> Peter Bui has been working on this most recently. I'll put you in touch with him via email so that he can update you.
17:44:55 <AndroUser> Ok
17:45:01 <joanie> heidi: mind ccing me?
17:45:12 <heidi> Sure! And Stoney
17:45:16 <joanie> thanks
17:45:30 <stoney> cool
17:46:01 <stoney> ok... so LoganH will get his marching orders from heidi's class... right?
17:46:10 <heidi> Yes.
17:46:12 <heidi> :-)
17:46:14 <stoney> :)
17:46:18 <LoganH> :) :)
17:46:24 <stoney> anyone else need something to do?
17:46:33 <heidi> Just for clarification, LoganH is only working on the project within the context of the course.
17:46:41 <heidi> So we can't tap him to do outside work, at least for this semester.
17:46:49 <heidi> He'll be back after the end of the semester :-)
17:46:49 <stoney> right
17:47:16 <stoney> any other topics?
17:47:30 <stoney> Going 1...
17:47:35 <stoney> Going 2...
17:47:43 <heidi> As always, thank you joanie!
17:48:04 <joanie> and thank you heidie
17:48:05 <stoney> Yes... thanks joanie ... and thanks all for being here!
17:48:07 <joanie> you're doing the work
17:48:19 <AndroUser> Thanks everyone
17:48:23 <heidi> but you're giving us support and direction and we really appreciate that!
17:48:26 <stoney> #stopmeeting
17:48:29 <stoney> #endmeeting