18:02:09 <darci> #startmeeting
18:02:09 <tota11y> Meeting started Fri Jan 25 18:02:09 2013 CET.  The chair is darci. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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18:02:31 <darci> maybe we can get an update from each institution
18:02:48 <ghislop> Amber?
18:02:50 <darci> #topic Status updates
18:03:17 <amber> still working on some opencv errors, currently with detecting haar points and optical flow
18:03:57 <darci> Did the link that Joanie provided help
18:03:58 <heidi> Ummm, what is a haar point?
18:04:11 <ghislop> Amber also suggested that we find someone with expertise in opencv...
18:04:23 <amber> haar points are (i think) what are used to detect facial features in our case
18:04:30 <heidi> Ah, got it! Thanks.
18:04:43 <ghislop> since I'm travelling I haven't had time to think about that, but it's a good idea.
18:04:46 <amber> i know there is a drexel person with great tutorials but its based on the older version and im not sure if he's still around
18:04:55 <amber> i can get the link
18:05:10 <Dark_Rose> Since I as working alone, WNE is working on getting Fedora 18 on to our computer in the lab. I fixed an error this morning, encountering another now. I have a friend coming to meet me at 2 to try to sort it out.
18:05:11 <ghislop> amber: yes, please share that.
18:05:19 <amber> http://dasl.mem.drexel.edu/~noahKuntz/openCVTut10.html
18:05:30 <amber> keep in mind its based on opencv 1.~
18:05:43 <amber> #link http://dasl.mem.drexel.edu/~noahKuntz/openCVTut10.html
18:05:51 <ghislop> #link http://dasl.mem.drexel.edu/~noahKuntz/openCVTut10.html
18:06:05 <ghislop> :-)  thanks Amber!
18:06:08 <heidi> You guys are getting good with the meetbot!
18:06:25 <darci> joanie had provided a link in an email that she sent after our last meeting
18:06:29 <darci> #link https://live.gnome.org/PyGObject/IntrospectionPorting#Porting_from_PyGTK_2_to_PyGI_GTK_3
18:07:25 <darci> Dark_Rose: Did you encounter the enter while updating to Fedora 18 or when installing mousetrap
18:07:30 <amber> that is only on porting to gobject, still trying to get it up and running i think before I start that bug (although some changes had been made to update it already)
18:07:53 <amber> (to answer darci's question)
18:08:37 <darci> oops that should be 'error' not 'enter'
18:09:10 <darci> (to Dark_Rose)
18:09:29 <Dark_Rose> I don't have fedora on the computer yet. I am trying to live boot from a USB to do a clean wipeover of the existing Ubuntu and it won't boot after a certain point. I fixed a directory naming problem but then got "secure boot not enabled" and the screen then turns half green.
18:10:00 <heidi> Is the USB the stick that I gave you?
18:10:55 <Dark_Rose> No, Tiago gave me another one he made for the labs new image and it worked for him while he was running Windows. I'm having him meet me later to consult since he didn't have any problems. If that doesn't work I will try the one you gave me.
18:11:13 <heidi> Ah, OK.
18:11:25 <heidi> I don't know that the one that I gave you is a live boot.
18:11:27 <john> Try using a DVD. Works much better in my experience. If you used the LiveUSB program, it doesn't work at all for me. I have much better luck using dd.
18:11:30 <heidi> Most likely not.
18:11:52 <Stoney> I found something on it: #link http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Secure-Boot-Not-Enabled-message-upon-attempt-to-install-Ubuntu/td-p/933473
18:11:53 <heidi> Ah, OK. So Dark_Rose could you please let Tiago know that?
18:12:00 <Dark_Rose> The computer I'm using is an Eee PC so there's not CD drive, I would if I could lol
18:12:04 <heidi> Hey Stoney.
18:12:10 <Stoney> Hello :)
18:12:11 <Dark_Rose> And I will
18:12:18 <heidi> In order for the "link" to register, the hash-link has to be at the start of a line.
18:12:21 <john> But the stick I used with dd got media check errors, so I'm iffy with that even.
18:12:24 <heidi> #link http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Secure-Boot-Not-Enabled-message-upon-attempt-to-install-Ubuntu/td-p/933473
18:12:28 <Stoney> ok thanks
18:12:36 <heidi> :-)
18:12:47 <heidi> Oh, right. Forgot about that!
18:12:49 <john> Dark_Rose, ah, netbooks. Try using dd, not LiveUSB
18:13:18 <darci> John: what is dd?
18:13:27 <Dark_Rose> Yes, please tell :) lol
18:13:37 <Stoney> dd the unix command?
18:13:40 <heidi> I don't know what it is either.
18:13:47 <john> a command line program that writes a bootable iso image to USB drive
18:14:13 <Stoney> think of it like a byte-for-byte copy command (sound right John?)
18:14:14 <darci> ah...cool
18:14:23 <john> yep
18:14:25 <Dark_Rose> Can you send a link to where to get this program please?
18:14:41 <john> It should be built-in
18:14:50 <heidi> It is a linux command.
18:14:51 <Stoney> Youtube video on using dd for creating a live usb
18:14:54 <Stoney> #link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSDjyI5Y94A
18:15:02 <Dark_Rose> Ok, I'll look into it later, thanks
18:15:03 <Stoney> (on mac)
18:15:14 <Stoney> (should be similar from linux)
18:15:18 <amber> gnome uses the dd #link http://www.gnome.org/getting-gnome/
18:15:29 <ghislop> #link http://linux.die.net/man/1/dd
18:16:14 <Dark_Rose> Thanks all!
18:16:17 <darci> john: have you successfully made the switch from ubuntu to fedora?
18:16:46 <heidi> Amber, in order to have the link show up in the meeting notes, the "hash-link" must be at the beginning of the line.
18:16:50 <john> Yes, to 17 on the laptop and 18 here. Not sure which we'll be using (18, it seems?)
18:17:26 <amber> o ok
18:17:33 <amber> #link http://www.gnome.org/getting-gnome/
18:17:44 <john> Tip for all: add "r" before the device id when using dd -- enables direct access. Makes it much faster
18:17:58 <heidi> Yes, would be good to standardize on 18.
18:18:03 <heidi> At least for spring :-)
18:18:11 <Stoney> are we targeting fedora? Or, what is the motivation to switch to fedora?
18:18:34 <amber> #away
18:18:36 <john> example, dd if=./something.iso of=/dev/rdisk1
18:18:43 <john> note the r before disk1
18:18:58 <john> Latest GNOME
18:19:16 <john> That's what we should target, IMO, regardless of distro
18:19:25 <Stoney> "Latest GNOME" meaning fedora 18 has the latest GNOME?
18:19:31 <Stoney> cool
18:20:03 <heidi> The motivation for moving to fedora is that GNOME is native on fedora
18:20:19 <Stoney> great, thanks heidi
18:20:27 <heidi> And it would be easier (or so we assume) to have everyone on the same platform.
18:20:36 <heidi> At least while getting started and getting the kinks out.
18:20:43 <heidi> Then we can expand to different platforms.
18:20:45 <Stoney> good idea
18:20:55 <darci> With the understanding that we can branch out later
18:21:21 <darci> (ditto what Heidi said)
18:21:22 <john> Would be neat if someday mousetrap would be part of GNOME's accessibility prefpane
18:21:26 <john> just saying
18:21:46 <heidi> Ummm, don't know how to do that, but we could talk to Joanie about it.
18:21:47 <Stoney> (prefpane = preference pane?)
18:21:59 <john> Sorry, yes preference pane
18:22:16 <Stoney> thx
18:22:35 <joanie> until it is gnome3 ready, that will not happen
18:22:48 <heidi> Right, you typed my thoughts!
18:22:49 <john> As I said, someday :)
18:22:50 <darci> Hi joanie
18:22:50 <joanie> and the module is gnome-control-center
18:23:07 <joanie> hey (I'm still in a meeting, but saw my name mentioned)
18:24:19 <darci> John: Did you get mousetrap installed on the laptop after installing fedora
18:24:53 <ghislop> Change topics?
18:25:06 <ghislop> I think we've gotten status from everyone
18:25:18 <ghislop> perhaps a "next steps"?
18:25:26 <john> darci, not yet.
18:25:35 <darci> #topic Next steps
18:26:02 <john> That's my next step, obviously :)
18:26:10 <ghislop> I would like to suggest that the students start to share status more often
18:26:12 <john> Though on here, since the laptop wouldn't play nice with 18
18:26:34 <ghislop> And that you consider posting to #mousetrap when you get stuck or even just hit a serious problem
18:26:42 <heidi> Yes, right.
18:26:50 <amber> #link http://xcitegroup.org/foss2serve/index.php/Status
18:26:52 <heidi> Hmmm, how old is the laptop?
18:27:05 <john> Pretty old. Centrino era.
18:27:18 <ghislop> Someone else might help, or at least you can make each other aware of problems so you don't keep re-inventing the wheel...
18:27:20 <john> Graphics hardware couldn't handle the new GNOME 3. Had to use the fallback.
18:27:25 <darci> Would it make sense for everyone to join the mousetrap listserve
18:27:45 <darci> #link https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mousetrap-list
18:27:49 <ghislop> I didn't know there was a mouseTrap listserv! :-)
18:27:54 <heidi> Yes, is everyone signed up for it?
18:28:06 <darci> I signed up in the last day or two
18:28:14 <heidi> OK.
18:28:35 <ghislop> OK.  I'll sign up!
18:28:41 <darci> #action Get signed up for the Mousetrap listserve
18:28:58 <ghislop> such a good meeting chair! :-)
18:29:01 <Stoney> no, i'll do it now
18:29:07 <amber> is it actionable to add statuses on the team page?
18:29:09 * darci smile
18:29:57 <ghislop> amber: we do still want to keep the status and record on the team wiki page.
18:30:17 <john> Sorry to go off-topic, but I am wondering what an a11y application is?
18:30:17 <ghislop> I'm wondering if the team page is followed closely enough though
18:30:23 <amber> im not sure everyone is up to date
18:31:06 <darci> #action Each team should update the team wiki with current status
18:31:09 <ghislop> #action Each site should update the MouseTrap status page on the foss2serve wiki
18:31:11 <heidi> An ally application, as I understand it, is an application developed for users with disabilities.
18:32:01 <Dark_Rose> I haven't been updating my status because I don't have Fedora even...and I haven't been able to work with Logan yet this semester. I will add my walkthrough of how I installed fedora once I have successfully done so.
18:33:20 <heidi> Dark_Rose, go ahead and post what you've done.
18:33:23 <john> thanks heidi
18:33:30 <heidi> Even though you haven't gotten fedora installed.
18:33:33 <Dark_Rose> Ok, thanks
18:33:58 <amber> I think even posting that is helpful dark_rose, so then we can help out if we've seen that problem before
18:34:02 <john> I'm in similar shoes w/ Dark_Rose -- just working on getting Fedora up and running, nothing to do with mousetrap yet
18:34:02 <heidi> Then people who come along after you will be able to learn from your experience.
18:34:17 <heidi> Ah, OK.
18:34:21 <Stoney> #link http://xcitegroup.org/foss2serve/index.php/Status
18:34:33 <Stoney> (just wanted to get the status page in the record)
18:34:45 <heidi> So lets see if we can get everyone up and running on Fedora by next week.
18:35:02 <darci> When we get to it...should our IRC team meeting notes be posted on our wiki as well as on gnomes site?
18:35:19 <heidi> Ah, I'm going to post the IRC notes on the MouseTrap page.
18:35:25 <heidi> But I haven't gotten that far. :-(
18:35:27 <Dark_Rose> That would be really nice
18:35:30 <heidi> Sorry, I am behind.
18:35:34 <heidi> Yes, will do.
18:35:51 <darci> No worries...just asking because there is a link there
18:36:07 <darci> So it looks like we should have them posted there at some point
18:36:21 <heidi> Yes, right.
18:36:27 <heidi> Yup, that is the plan.
18:36:51 <darci> I signed up for an account, so can help...just let me know
18:37:06 <heidi> to be clear, I'm planning on posting to the mousetrap page on GNOME
18:37:12 <heidi> OK, thanks.
18:38:25 <heidi> We eventually want to use a structure similar to:
18:38:27 <heidi> #link https://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Minutes
18:38:39 <heidi> And the individual meeting note pages look like:
18:38:54 <heidi> #link https://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Minutes/20130117
18:39:08 <heidi> So feel free to post notes there if you get to it before I do darci.
18:39:42 <darci> sounds good...I'll let you know if I do
18:39:58 <heidi> OK, thanks.
18:40:08 <heidi> Does anyone have anything else?
18:40:20 <ghislop> I'm good.
18:40:24 <darci> #action Try to get everyone running Fedora by next week
18:40:39 <darci> I don't
18:40:51 <amber> question, are we going to have a central git location for code soon?
18:40:56 <Dark_Rose> I'm good for now lol
18:41:41 <ghislop> There's a copy of MouseTrap on github for this team
18:42:01 <amber> are there plans to make it writable?
18:42:01 <ghislop> Stoney: do you have that link?
18:42:09 <Stoney> one sec
18:43:18 <Stoney> #link https://github.com/StoneyJackson/mousetrap
18:43:23 <Stoney> It is not writable
18:43:50 <heidi> So students have to send updates to you, yes?
18:43:55 <Stoney> I'm not sure we ever finalized our structure
18:44:14 <Stoney> the idea is for students to fork the copy on github (requires a github account)
18:44:24 <amber> im just asking bc i had fedora crash on me once already and had to recoop some of my work
18:44:28 <Stoney> push your changes to your forked copy
18:44:44 <john> That will become messy fast...
18:44:48 <Stoney> when you are ready to commit back, make a pull request via github
18:44:59 <amber> ok great, i have a fork already if once everyone is on fedora, they can pull from my branch
18:45:26 <Stoney> the alternative is to make everyone a contributor to the github project posted above
18:45:31 <amber> so we dont all have to start from stratch
18:46:00 <ghislop> Amber: so your fork includes the issues you've already addressed in MouseTrap correct?
18:46:05 <amber> yes
18:46:10 <amber> its completely up to date
18:46:18 <ghislop> great!
18:46:23 <Stoney> then we should probably use that one
18:46:36 <amber> im working on a branch and the master includes some basic changes that both me and Logan did
18:46:37 <Stoney> but the question still remains, how?
18:47:03 <amber> well i dont have a paying acct so its public
18:47:10 <ghislop> OK.  so we need a mechanism to bring that back to the trunk
18:47:52 <Stoney> by "trunk", you mean GNOMEs mainline?
18:47:53 <amber> we can work off my fork and then pull request back to the master after the install is complete?
18:48:08 <ghislop> that might work.
18:48:28 <ghislop> Stoney: could you look at what we've got and suggest an approach?
18:48:37 <Dark_Rose> I have to go to class, bye everyone!
18:48:42 <amber> bye!
18:48:53 <ghislop> bye!
18:48:56 <darci> Bye Dark_Rose
18:49:09 <ghislop> Probably should wrap up anyhow?
18:49:35 <darci> We can
18:49:43 <Stoney> sure ghislop
18:49:44 <ghislop> (they're cancelling the last two hours of school here... and it hasn't started to snow yet... but then DC doesn't handle snow well at all!
18:49:55 <amber> #link https://github.com/amberheilman/mousetrap
18:49:58 <amber> thats to my fork
18:50:05 <heidi> Ah, thanks Amber!
18:50:13 <darci> Alright, I'll end the meeting
18:50:19 <heidi> :-)
18:50:23 <heidi> Thanks all!
18:50:28 <darci> Heidi and Greg: travel safe!
18:50:41 <heidi> Thanks! See you all later!
18:50:44 <amber> Have a great weekend everyone!
18:50:48 <ghislop> thank you.... stay warm everyone!
18:50:49 <darci> #endmeeting