1 <mclasen> lets start anyway, I guess 2 <mitch> so be it 3 <mclasen> ok, cooking finished 4 <mclasen> the agenda is at http://live.gnome.org/GTK+/Meetings 5 <mclasen> looks like it is all me today... 6 <mclasen> so I'll just start with my first item... 7 <mitch> i have something for misc but was too lazy to add 8 <mclasen> sure 9 <mclasen> 1) Adding a message area widget in 2.16 ? See #555344 10 <mclasen> I basically just wanted to hear peoples opinion on this 11 <mclasen> it wasn't on the 2.16 feature list that we've discussed earlier 12 <mitch> do we have a netsplit, the channel is unusually empty and many usual suspects missingf 13 <mclasen> but it is a relatively widespread ui pattern 14 <mitch> -f 15 <mitch> how would that look? we have a dialog in gimp that collects messages instead of popping 5 dialogs. is that the same? 16 <mclasen> if you open a nonexisting file in gedit 17 <mclasen> you see it in action 18 <mclasen> the tooltip-colored area that pops up above the document 19 <mitch> ah that stuff 20 <mitch> it should derive from GtkBox of course ;) 21 <mclasen> this pattern seems to have originated in browsers 22 <mclasen> but it is widespread by now, in all document-based apps 23 <mclasen> evince, eog, gedit, etc... 24 <mclasen> they all copy code from gedit, afaics 25 <mitch> we even considered having it in the gimp image window for some messages 26 <mclasen> there is some more work to do before this is really ready to land 27 <kris> oooh 28 <kris> it is the thing that slides in from above? 29 <mclasen> I've put some of the remaining questions in the bug 30 <mclasen> its not really sliding in 31 <mitch> i hope it slides ;) 32 <mitch> :( 33 <mclasen> that would require animation support... 34 <kris> we can take care of the animations in a later version of gtk+ 35 <mitch> the offscreen code can slide it in with 80% opacity 36 <mclasen> yeah, we can make it nicer 37 <kris> but at least I have an idea what the widget is about now 38 <mclasen> the api is pretty much a copy of gtkdialog 39 <mclasen> you can add buttons/action_widgets to an action area 40 <mclasen> and theres a content area where you can put arbitrary widgets 41 <benzea> maybe it shouldn't copy the tooltip style, but instead assume that themes will adapt? 42 <mclasen> thats one of the open questions I left in the bug... 43 <benzea> any label put into it may need to get the text color changed (gedit gets this wrong currently) 44 <mclasen> yeah, also, it doesn't work right with hicontrast-inverser 45 <mclasen> but thats more a bug of that engine 46 <mclasen> so, the general sentiment seems to be that this would be an ok addition in 2.16 ? 47 <mitch> i could ask our gimp ui master and report back 48 <mitch> about the general concept i mean 49 <mclasen> yeah 50 <kris> I think it would be nice to have 51 <mclasen> I'm not going to commit it tomorrow 52 <mitch> i agree 53 <mclasen> I'll work on the remaining issues in the bug 54 <kris> i am unsure about the api, but it seems it did have some real-world testing alreaddy 55 <jdahlin> Sounds like a reasonable addition to Gtk+ 56 <mclasen> ok, next topic 57 <mclasen> Timeline for next stable releases 58 <mclasen> I wanted to let you know that I was planning on doing stable releases sometime next week 59 <mclasen> well ahead of gnome 2.24.1 60 <mclasen> just so you can commit your fixes faster :-) 61 <mitch> and there was silence 62 <kris> I am thinking about any pending fixes I have 63 <kris> I don't think I have anything urgent 64 <mclasen> ok, just holler if something is worth holding the release for 65 <mclasen> I expect to start distchecking ~ 1 week from now 66 <mitch> maybe we could poke carlos to fix that filechooser bug 67 <mclasen> good point 68 <mclasen> I'll poke 69 <mitch> kris and i will also poke 70 <mitch> that should hurt enough ;) 71 <kris> I went through curerntly open tooltip bugs last week 72 <kris> didn't find much urgent except for that one crasher bug 73 <kris> which seems to only happen when people are using certain language bindings for some reason 74 <mitch> heh there he is 75 <mitch> garnacho: <mitch> maybe we could poke carlos to fix that filechooser bug 76 <garnacho> which one? 77 <mitch> garnacho: about stable gtk release next week 78 <mitch> garnacho: the one that doesn't allow to navigate to remote uris 79 <mitch> mclasen: or did you mean another one? 80 <mclasen> the other one I know of is the initial-size-is-wrong one 81 <mitch> heh 82 <mclasen> but thats not carlos' 83 <mitch> oh other one 84 <garnacho> hm? I'll have a look at the remote uris one 85 * garnacho feeling a deja vu 86 <mclasen> but federico is in Boston this week, so I don't expect to see a fix for the size problem 87 <mclasen> next topic is also related to releases 88 <mclasen> GLib 2.20 for Gnome 2.26 ? 89 <mclasen> there was some demand for having a faster glib release again 90 <kris> for which feature? 91 <mclasen> mostly for new gio stuff, to make nautilus and gvfs behave better 92 <kris> I see 93 <mclasen> a small thing is the added api in the appinfo stuff that I committed earlier 94 <mclasen> that lets nautilus handle deleting apps and reset mime associations 95 <mitch> frequent releases never hurt 96 <mclasen> and another one that david and alex are currently working on is support for connected servers 97 <mclasen> that requires some api additions in gvolume/gmount 98 <mitch> what's that? 99 <mclasen> its one of the notable regressions in the gnome-vfs > gvfs move 100 <mclasen> the ability to define shortcuts to servers 101 <mitch> ah nice 102 <mclasen> and have them be presented on the desktop / places menu 103 <mclasen> we've kinda emulated that badly with bookmarks for 2.24 104 <mclasen> but it is not comparable to the old gnome-vfs feature 105 <mclasen> david really wants to have it back, since he used that feature :-) 106 <mclasen> anyway, I don't think there is much wrong with cutting a faster glib release, as long as everybody is aware of it 107 <mclasen> and I didn't hear and dissent... 108 <mclasen> my last topic for today (phew): "Special-purpose features" - what is the 3.0 plan for GtkCurve etc ? 109 <mitch> you can't since the trombone made you deaf 110 <mclasen> thats over by now (Thank god) 111 <mitch> :) 112 <mitch> the curve is particularly useless, does anyone use it? 113 <mclasen> the question about the special-purpose features occurred to me recently when looking over the docs 114 <mitch> GtkRuler on the other hand is marked as "will move out of gtk", but so many apps use it 115 <mclasen> no, 'special-purpose' is basically a polite way of saying 'useless', I think 116 <mitch> yes 117 <mitch> GtkGamma 118 <mclasen> its a bunch of gimp 0.x stuff, i think 119 <mitch> we should deprecate it 120 <mclasen> of course, the gimp has long since moved on 121 <mitch> probably 122 Oct 07 16:28:32 * Lethalman has quit (Remote closed the connection) 123 <mclasen> so, basically my question is if we need to make it clear that these things will be treated the same way as deprecated apis 124 <mitch> do you have some kind of list? 125 <mitch> why not deprecate them right away? 126 <mclasen> that might be the easiest way to do this 127 <mitch> or GTK_DISABLE_CRUFT 128 <mclasen> the list is basically this: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/stable/SpecialObjects.html 129 <mitch> i vote for keeping the ruler though 130 <mitch> it's pretty common i think 131 <mitch> (note that gimp uses GimpRuler since 2.6 so i'm not speaking for myself) 132 <mclasen> someone probably needs to do some research to find out whats used 133 <Sonderblade> mitch: GtkHRuler and GtkVRuler should still be removed and replaced with a concrete orientable GtkRuler? 134 <mitch> Sonderblade: the orientable ruler is already there 135 <mitch> mclasen: and in this special case i would vote for really deprecating hruler and vruler 136 <mitch> not much impact here i think 137 <mclasen> ok, fair enough 138 <Sonderblade> oh i see 139 <mclasen> I guess I'll put the special-purpose widgets on the gtk3 task list on the wiki 140 <mitch> good idea 141 <mclasen> thats finishes the list of my topics 142 <Sonderblade> i think the "Note" section in those widgets are pretty clear that they will go, even if the word "deprecated" isn't used 143 <mclasen> mitch: you had a misc item ? 144 Oct 07 16:33:15 * m8t|laptop (~firstname.lastname@example.org) has left #gtk-devel 145 <mitch> yes i have this bug i'm totally undecided on and want to make a tiny poll here :) 146 <mitch> one sec... 147 <mitch> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=516425 148 <mitch> it's about allowing accelerators in ui-manager created popups 149 <mitch> there are two ways, one is specifying <popup accelerators="true"> in the XML 150 <mitch> the other one is having a "popup-accelerators" boolean property on GtkAction 151 <mitch> opinions please 152 <mclasen> I think putting it in the xml is fine 153 <mitch> that approach is also 100% implemented and reviewed 154 <mitch> i will end up with the same set of opinions as before ;) 155 <mclasen> it is much more presentation-side than abstract-action-side 156 <mitch> move view than model, yea that's a good point 157 <Sonderblade> why not put it in GtkSettings? 158 <mitch> but it makes it unswitchable at runtime, no clue if we would want that 159 <mitch> Sonderblade: because it should be per-menu 160 <Sonderblade> mitch: why? 161 <mitch> Sonderblade: because $PLATFORM might have this main menu equalling the menubar, that should have the accels, but other popups shouldn't 162 <mitch> it's not a global policy decision that can be made for all popups 163 <mitch> i think i'll simply commit the xml based fix 164 <mitch> i'm done :) 165 * mclasen needs to go 166 <mclasen> see you guys later
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