1 < ebassi> so, agenda for tonight 2 < bratsche> bitte schoen! 3 < ebassi> 1. 2.14 release 4 * bratsche wants to practice German more :) 5 < ebassi> 2. non-x11 backends readiness 6 < ebassi> 3. 2.90/3.0 plan 7 < ebassi> 4. advisory board meeting/conference call 8 < ebassi> 5. miscellanea 9 < mclasen> vuntz had the board confcall w. gtk+ participation that he sent mail about 10 < mclasen> but I don't see vuntz atm 11 < ebassi> mclasen: poked vuntz 12 < ebassi> we can probably wait until he pokes back/joins 13 < mclasen> yep, lets start with something else first 14 < mclasen> 2.14 release readiness, maybe 15 < mclasen> tml, bratsche: how does 2.13 look on win32 ? 16 < tml> mclasen: I don't know of any blocker as such 17 < mclasen> ok, sounds good 18 < mclasen> unfortunately, it seems no osx people around this time... 19 < mclasen> have people played around with federicos latest patch for the file chooser ? 20 < mclasen> I have seen at least one report of problematic behaviour, I think 21 < pbor> mclasen: I filed a bug this morning 22 < pbor> which looks pretty bad (at least on my pc) 23 < Mikachu> i have a bug in the file chooser here, it doesn't shrink when i click the little triangle thing 24 < mclasen> Mikachu: that is the regression that federicos patch is supposed to fix 25 < Mikachu> aha 26 < Mikachu> nm then :) 27 < mclasen> pbor: what was the problem ? 28 < pbor> mclasen: bug #549403 29 < pbor> the filechooser is popped up in a corner 30 < Mikachu> what's the # for the patch? 31 < mclasen> its in svn 32 < Mikachu> that explains why i didn't find it then 33 < mclasen> I'll try to get federico to look at 549403 34 < mclasen> so, maybe time to switch to the 2.90/3.0 plan 35 < mclasen> I've got a good amount of feedback now, I'll try to fold that into a second draft and send that around tonight 36 < pbor> mclasen: I'll try to take a look myself if I have a bit of time but that code is pretty awkward 37 < ebassi> mclasen: sounds good 38 < ebassi> mclasen: do you plan to put it on gtk.org/mailing list or live.gnome.org? 39 < mclasen> ebassi: my idea was to send that out to the mailing list around the time of the 2.14 release 40 < mclasen> and put something more verbose on the website, like a gtk3 section 41 < mclasen> but I haven't started any work on that 42 < ebassi> mclasen: okay 43 < mclasen> hey there is vunt 44 < mclasen> z 45 < mclasen> vuntz: you wanted to talk about the board meeting ? 46 < vuntz> mclasen: well, if you're done with the current topic, sure :-) 47 < mclasen> I'm done 48 < vuntz> so, I'll try to keep it short :-) 49 < vuntz> back at guadec, timj and kris joined the advisory board meeting for 20-30 minutes to present the GTK+ 3 plans 50 < vuntz> I think it was quite useful for the people who were there 51 < mclasen> ok 52 < vuntz> unfortunately, at this meeting we didn't have all the technical people from all advisory board members and we got requests from people asking for a bit more discussion 53 < mclasen> I see that you talk about a ~30 min presentation by GTK+ people about gtk3 54 < vuntz> it was also pointed out that it might have been useful to have some ISV/ISD there to get a wider audience 55 < mclasen> I probably won't be able to do that... 56 < vuntz> mclasen: well, that's the standard advisory board phone call format for now, and we can certainly adapt it. It's clearly not set in stone 57 < vuntz> so the board is trying to organize a phone call on september 10th (iirc) with all the right people 58 < mclasen> vuntz: just saying, I'd be much more comfortable if the gtk3 presentation comes from the people who are actually doing the work 59 < vuntz> mclasen: oh, sure. Board members are clearly not able to do that 60 < mclasen> so I'll really hope that of of tim, kris, mitch will be able to attend 61 < vuntz> and timj generally does a good job about this, so I hope he'll be able to join 62 < mclasen> vuntz: my current plans for gtk roadmap communication involve assembling an email to send out around the time 2.14 is released 63 < mclasen> so that will be available by the time the confcall takes place 64 < vuntz> awesome! 65 < timj> vuntz: i should, what was the date again? 66 < mclasen> I also want to look at getting that stuff up on the website 67 < vuntz> timj: I think it's september 10th (second wednesday of the month). behdad, is this right? 68 < vuntz> mclasen: great! I'm trying to gather some data to send to the people who will attend the meeting so they can read some stuff before the meeting 69 < vuntz> will be more productive this way 70 < behdad> what's that? 71 < vuntz> I'll also ask them before hand if they have questions, that I'll forward to the gtk+ team 72 < behdad> oh 73 < vuntz> behdad: ab meeting? 74 < behdad> yeah, sep 10 it seems to me 75 < mclasen> the email I see says sep 11 76 < vuntz> mclasen: nod. It moved from Thursday to Wednesday 77 < mclasen> oh, ok 78 < vuntz> fwiw, I'm talking to the advisory board people to have technical people attend the meeting, so that it's more useful 79 < vuntz> I'm also trying to reach various companies/projects who might be interested in all that, like eclipse, adobe, real, vmware, etc. 80 < vuntz> we don't want this to turn out as a "GTK+ people vs others" debate. Instead, we hope it will make it possible to involve new people in the plans 81 < mclasen> vuntz: it is also important to avoid the impression that 'everyone has a say' in this... 82 < mclasen> I mean, it is fine to have comments from interested players, but ultimatively, the GTK+ maintainers will have to decide 83 < vuntz> mclasen: sure. By "involve" I don't mean people discussing, but people contributing upstream 84 < vuntz> and helping for GTK+ 3 85 < mclasen> ok, my calendar looks good right now for the time of the confcall, so I should be able to attend 86 < vuntz> cool 87 < mclasen> did I see anybody else commit to being there, timj ? 88 < mclasen> vuntz: anything else we need to discuss wrt to the meeting ? 89 < vuntz> well, if you can think of any big ISV that might be interested in joining, just tell me 90 < vuntz> I got replies from real & vmware. My mail to adobe went in a black hole so far, fwiw 91 -!- dom [~firstname.lastname@example.org] has left #gtk-devel  92 < vuntz> eclipse people were interested too 93 < timj> mclasen: i do. and i'll try to get kris & mitch there also (for kris it depends on uni schedule) 94 < mclasen> timj: ok, thanks 95 < vuntz> timj: great! 96 < bratsche> Maybe someone from Medsphere (other than me) wants to join, should I ask them? 97 < vuntz> bratsche: if it makes sense, yes. Drop me a mail when you know 98 < bratsche> What is this meeting called? Advisory board meeting or something? 99 < vuntz> bratsche: yes, it's a GNOME Foundation Advisory Board meeting, but it's extended to outside people 100 < bratsche> Okay. We have a meeting in ~5 mins, I'll just mention it and see if anyone feels the need to join. 101 * mclasen looks at the calendar 102 < bratsche> They were asking a lot of questions about gtk3 after reading miguel's and others blog posts, but they seem to have calmed down now anyway. 103 < mclasen> I'll probably end up doing stable releases a week from now, ~ next wednesday 104 < timj> mclasen: cool 105 < mclasen> anything else to discuss ? 106 * mclasen gets nagged to pay attention to the kids... 107 * Mikachu just finished compiling with the filechooser patch, will test in 5 seconds 108 < Mikachu> but that can most likely wait ): 109 < Mikachu> :)* 110 < Mikachu> yeah, same results as paolo 111 < mclasen> does the expanding work as expected, though ? 112 < Lethalman> err, i'm not a gtk developer so I'm sorry in advice :) but I was thinking to suggest a common interface for radio/toggle buttons 113 < Mikachu> yeah, it isn't super big when contracted 114 < Lethalman> for e.g. gtk3 115 < ebassi> Lethalman: send it to the gtk-devel-list with an API proposal 116 < mclasen> Mikachu: ok, thanks 117 < ebassi> Lethalman: and keep nagging if you don't get comments 118 < Lethalman> ebassi, ok 119 < Lethalman> thanks 120 < Lethalman> I've already filed in a bug a couple of months ago with no replies 121 < mclasen> later, guys 122 * mclasen drops out 123 < ebassi> Lethalman: api proposals should always go to gtk-devel - bugzilla is not very good at discussing stuff 124 < ebassi> Lethalman: but reference the bug when mailing gtk-devel-list 125 < Lethalman> ok of course 126 < ebassi> you'll see people cc-ing it soon enough :-) 127 < ebassi> okay, so meeting adjourned 128 < ebassi> will send the minutes and upload the log as soon as possible, as usual 129 < timj> ebassi: thanks a lot ;)
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