1 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 28 09:54:10 2010
   2 
   3 Sep 28 09:54:11 *	Now talking on #asia-summit
   4 Sep 28 11:11:41 *	abharath (~abharath@ecoprobe-dmz.gns.novell.com) has joined #asia-summit
   5 Sep 28 11:29:02 *	lakhil (~lakhil@ecoprobe-dmz.gns.novell.com) has joined #asia-summit
   6 Sep 28 12:03:38 *	SFD_Fred has quit (Ex-Chat)
   7 Sep 28 15:03:55 *	SFD_Fred (~fred@119.121.75.187) has joined #asia-summit
   8 Sep 28 19:44:55 *	abharath (~abharath@ecoprobe-dmz.gns.novell.com) has left #asia-summit
   9 Sep 28 20:04:30 *	lakhil has quit (Leaving)
  10 Sep 28 20:04:38 *	lakhil (~lakhil@ecoprobe-dmz.gns.novell.com) has joined #asia-summit
  11 Sep 28 20:05:37 *	lakhil has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
  12 Sep 28 20:05:42 *	lakhil (~lakhil@ecoprobe-dmz.gns.novell.com) has joined #asia-summit
  13 Sep 28 20:47:14 *	lakhil has quit (Leaving)
  14 Sep 28 21:19:32 *	sakana (~sakana@221-120-68-94.dynamic.hinet.net) has joined #asia-summit
  15 Sep 28 21:29:36 *	yippi (~bc99092@sca-ea-fw-1.Sun.COM) has joined #asia-summit
  16 Sep 28 21:47:25 *	wers (~allan@112.203.106.214) has joined #asia-summit
  17 Sep 28 21:56:55 *	lakhil (~lakhil@117.192.24.3) has joined #asia-summit
  18 Sep 28 21:58:14 *	emily (~emily@221.223.93.53) has joined #asia-summit
  19 Sep 28 22:00:11 <emily>	hi
  20 Sep 28 22:00:18 <SFD_Fred>	hello
  21 Sep 28 22:00:22 <pockeylam>	hi
  22 Sep 28 22:00:52 <emily>	Will told me that he is on the way to office 
  23 Sep 28 22:00:56 <emily>	Might be late 
  24 Sep 28 22:01:01 <pockeylam>	Abharath and Utian are excused :)
  25 Sep 28 22:01:05 <pockeylam>	so we can start now
  26 Sep 28 22:01:08 <emily>	Who is taking notes tonight ?
  27 Sep 28 22:01:14 <pockeylam>	wers, you :)
  28 Sep 28 22:01:15 <emily>	ping yippi 
  29 Sep 28 22:01:16 <pockeylam>	wers, are you ok?
  30 Sep 28 22:01:35 <pockeylam>	let's wait for wers to wake up first ;) 
  31 Sep 28 22:01:41 <sakana>	^^
  32 Sep 28 22:01:48 <pockeylam>	sakana, hi
  33 Sep 28 22:01:57 <sakana>	pockeylam, hi
  34 Sep 28 22:02:01 <emily>	hi sakana
  35 Sep 28 22:02:12 <sakana>	just send an email to GNOME-TW mail list
  36 Sep 28 22:02:18 <sakana>	emily, hi ^^
  37 Sep 28 22:02:18 <pockeylam>	sakana, see, so good you got 96 contacts ;) 
  38 Sep 28 22:02:41 <pockeylam>	we can add those 96 contacts to the GNOME-TW list?
  39 Sep 28 22:02:43 <sakana>	^^
  40 Sep 28 22:03:11 <sakana>	That's our pleasure
  41 Sep 28 22:03:12 <pockeylam>	sakana, hehe, you make sure the email addresses are only for the GNOME list ;) 
  42 Sep 28 22:03:26 <pockeylam>	sakana, i will send you the email lists later, u can add them by yourself? 
  43 Sep 28 22:03:29 <sakana>	pockeylam, sure --
  44 Sep 28 22:04:01 <sakana>	no, I want to send an invite letter to them
  45 Sep 28 22:04:11 <pockeylam>	sakana, mmm they already agreed
  46 Sep 28 22:04:13 <sakana>	and after chat with GNOME-TW Users
  47 Sep 28 22:04:21 <pockeylam>	sakana, so u can just add them to the list :) 
  48 Sep 28 22:04:45 <pockeylam>	sakana, ok, send them an invitation 
  49 Sep 28 22:05:06 <sakana>	sakana,  I know, You know Chinese "無三不成禮"
  50 Sep 28 22:05:18 <sakana>	sorry for the Chinese
  51 Sep 28 22:05:49 <pockeylam>	sakana, remember to mention, currently in the survey they would like to be informed in the Taiwan GNOME User Group
  52 Sep 28 22:06:01 <yippi>	hi!
  53 Sep 28 22:06:04 <pockeylam>	yippi, hi
  54 Sep 28 22:06:08 <SFD_Fred>	yippi: hey!
  55 Sep 28 22:06:13 <pockeylam>	so we don't have our secretary yet
  56 Sep 28 22:06:15 <pockeylam>	but we should start
  57 Sep 28 22:06:35 <emily>	yes please 
  58 Sep 28 22:06:36 <sakana>	gogogo
  59 Sep 28 22:06:40 <pockeylam>	emily, can you take note first? 
  60 Sep 28 22:06:45 <pockeylam>	emily, to swap with wers :)
  61 Sep 28 22:06:50 <emily>	OK 
  62 Sep 28 22:07:09 <pockeylam>	1) # Update on our pre-event survey for GNOME.Asia Summit 2011 
  63 Sep 28 22:07:10 <emily>	Do we need the log ? or just note 
  64 Sep 28 22:07:25 <pockeylam>	emily, if possible both
  65 Sep 28 22:07:27 <pockeylam>	emily, if not, i can log 
  66 Sep 28 22:08:17 <emily>	please log for me 
  67 Sep 28 22:08:26 <emily>	X chat is not good at save log 
  68 Sep 28 22:08:29 <emily>	I take note 
  69 Sep 28 22:08:59 <SFD_Fred>	can we add 1 item to the agenda? I'd to touch about mario's company use of GNOMe/Gnome.Asia logo and get feedback from GNOME foundation directors related to http://foundation.gnome.org/licensing/guidelines/ ?
  70 Sep 28 22:09:01 <pockeylam>	before the survey, i want to update everybody as i sent emails to Owen Taylor, Vincent Untz, Jon McCann, Paul Cutler
  71 Sep 28 22:09:06 <pockeylam>	SFD_Fred, ok
  72 Sep 28 22:09:14 <SFD_Fred>	s/I´d/I'd like
  73 Sep 28 22:09:16 <pockeylam>	what do other people think?
  74 Sep 28 22:09:52 <pockeylam>	emily, is it ok?
  75 Sep 28 22:10:09 <SFD_Fred>	mario removed the partner title of the section and GNOME.Asia is mixed with many other FOSS project. Though mousing over you see the partner directory where the file is stored
  76 Sep 28 22:10:42 <emily>	pockeylam: OK to what ? 
  77 Sep 28 22:10:50 <pockeylam>	emily, for SFD_Fred question
  78 Sep 28 22:11:00 <pockeylam>	emily, can we add 1 item to the agenda? I'd to touch about mario's company use of GNOMe/Gnome.Asia logo and get feedback from GNOME foundation directors related to http://foundation.gnome.org/licensing/guidelines/ ?
  79 Sep 28 22:11:24 <emily>	sure, this need to be discuss 
  80 Sep 28 22:11:27 <pockeylam>	emily, good
  81 Sep 28 22:11:28 <emily>	please 
  82 Sep 28 22:11:29 <pockeylam>	so i go ahead
  83 Sep 28 22:11:31 <SFD_Fred>	Mario's company site is http://mbm.vn/
  84 Sep 28 22:11:47 <pockeylam>	SFD_Fred, ok, let's talk about it later :) 
  85 Sep 28 22:11:52 <pockeylam>	let me continue
  86 Sep 28 22:12:19 <pockeylam>	i sent emails to Owen Taylor, Vincent Untz, Jon McCann, Paul Cutler 
  87 Sep 28 22:12:23 <pockeylam>	vincent and paul replied
  88 Sep 28 22:12:30 <pockeylam>	feedback from Vincent Untz:
  89 Sep 28 22:12:30 <pockeylam>	he thinks it's a great idea but think the date of launch will be in the first week of April and not sure how many people from the release tema would be available for this. 
  90 Sep 28 22:12:48 <pockeylam>	feedback from Paul Cutler,
  91 Sep 28 22:12:48 <pockeylam>	he thinks a hackfest typically have a goal of working on something new or to be improved. 
  92 Sep 28 22:12:48 <pockeylam>	While all the working teams will be very busy during the launch days of GNOME, it's difficult to get them to the hackfest. 
  93 Sep 28 22:12:48 <pockeylam>	he suggested us to move it to April to make the event to promote the recent release, talk about what worked well (or what didn't) and be a big release party with a havkest, marketing nad a conference. 
  94 Sep 28 22:12:48 <pockeylam>	also not sure about how many working team members will participate. 
  95 Sep 28 22:13:09 <wers>	hello
  96 Sep 28 22:13:20 <pockeylam>	wers, cool, u re today's secretary then 
  97 Sep 28 22:13:25 <pockeylam>	emily, wers is back, so he can take note
  98 Sep 28 22:13:29 <SFD_Fred>	秘书来了！
  99 Sep 28 22:13:32 <pockeylam>	yeah
 100 Sep 28 22:13:32 <wers>	ok :)
 101 Sep 28 22:13:33 <SFD_Fred>	;-)
 102 Sep 28 22:13:40 <pockeylam>	wers, did you see the feedback from vincent and paul?
 103 Sep 28 22:13:53 <emily>	I can take notes today 
 104 Sep 28 22:13:57 <wers>	pockeylam, sorry I haven't yet
 105 Sep 28 22:14:04 <wers>	pockeylam, what was that about?
 106 Sep 28 22:14:04 <emily>	Wers, you can do it next time
 107 Sep 28 22:14:06 <pockeylam>	wers, is it okay to let emily take note today?
 108 Sep 28 22:14:18 <wers>	pockeylam, ok. I'll do it next week then
 109 Sep 28 22:14:22 <pockeylam>	wers, thanks
 110 Sep 28 22:14:28 <pockeylam>	feedback from Vincent Untz:
 111 Sep 28 22:14:28 <pockeylam>	he thinks it's a great idea but think the date of launch will be in the first week of April and not sure how many people from the release team would be available for this. 
 112 Sep 28 22:14:37 <pockeylam>	feedback from Paul Cutler,
 113 Sep 28 22:14:37 <pockeylam>	he thinks a hackfest typically have a goal of working on something new or to be improved. 
 114 Sep 28 22:14:50 <pockeylam>	he also thinks all the working teams will be very busy during the launch days of GNOME, it's difficult to get them to the hackfest. 
 115 Sep 28 22:15:06 <pockeylam>	he suggested us to move it to April to make the event to promote the recent release, talk about what worked well (or what didn't) and be a big release party with a hackest, marketing and a conference. 
 116 Sep 28 22:15:15 <pockeylam>	he is also not sure about how many working team members will participate. 
 117 Sep 28 22:15:41 <pockeylam>	i think our introduction of the gnome.asia summit and hackfest is not very clear
 118 Sep 28 22:15:52 <SFD_Fred>	Paul might have misunderstood our intent, but pockeylam replied and clarified already. waiting for 2nd respose
 119 Sep 28 22:16:02 <pockeylam>	SFD_Fred, thanks:)
 120 Sep 28 22:16:15 <pockeylam>	exactly, so i m still waiting for paul's further comment
 121 Sep 28 22:16:22 <wers>	ok
 122 Sep 28 22:16:30 <pockeylam>	but in general, they are both very supportive
 123 Sep 28 22:16:33 <wers>	what do you think about the comments we have so far, though?
 124 Sep 28 22:16:48 <pockeylam>	but nobody is sure of the launch date
 125 Sep 28 22:16:51 <wers>	what can we learn from the feedback? I think, the most obvious one is the date 
 126 Sep 28 22:17:08 <wers>	yeah. either way, we'll probably have to move it 
 127 Sep 28 22:17:13 <pockeylam>	and nobody is sure of the number of working teams who can join the hackfest 
 128 Sep 28 22:17:16 <emily>	It is very positive feedback, It would be great if GNOME.Asia can launch together with GNOME 3.0 
 129 Sep 28 22:17:17 <wers>	I mean, move it from march to a later month
 130 Sep 28 22:17:20 <pockeylam>	we learn 1) our introduction is not clear 
 131 Sep 28 22:17:32 <pockeylam>	2) our goals are also not so clear,
 132 Sep 28 22:17:41 <pockeylam>	we need to discuss and explain more
 133 Sep 28 22:18:22 <pockeylam>	3) should we do a hackfest that is for the working teams to work on the launch of GNOME 3 during the release
 134 Sep 28 22:18:25 <emily>	Let's discuss what's the goal for the hackfest here 
 135 Sep 28 22:18:43 <pockeylam>	or should we do a hackfest that is for people to hack on new things after the launch of GNOME 3
 136 Sep 28 22:19:03 <pockeylam>	emily, yeah, we should discuss here
 137 Sep 28 22:19:05 <SFD_Fred>	the term hackfest is what lead Paul to a wrong understanding apparently
 138 Sep 28 22:19:34 <pockeylam>	4) we learnt that a survey is definitely useful, as even paul and vincent are not sure how many of their teams will participate
 139 Sep 28 22:19:34 <lakhil>	i am not sure if we should say GNOME3 hackfest
 140 Sep 28 22:19:52 <pockeylam>	lakhil, yeah, we should have a consistent name
 141 Sep 28 22:20:06 <pockeylam>	we also talk about the event names
 142 Sep 28 22:20:07 <lakhil>	as hackfest is usually organized long before the release to have massive development or improvement
 143 Sep 28 22:20:17 <wers>	maybe, they're thinking that we want a hackfest that will improve on GNOME 3.0, the software. not a marketing hackfest or something similar
 144 Sep 28 22:20:37 <SFD_Fred>	launch workshop?
 145 Sep 28 22:20:44 <SFD_Fred>	GLW
 146 Sep 28 22:20:47 <pockeylam>	so we need to know exactly what we are we hosting and our goals
 147 Sep 28 22:21:00 <pockeylam>	so we can be able to communicate with them :)
 148 Sep 28 22:21:16 <yippi>	For someone to use the GNOME.Asia logo, they need to get permission from The GNOME Foundation to use the brand.
 149 Sep 28 22:21:28 <wers>	SFD_Fred, what exactly is a launch workshop?
 150 Sep 28 22:21:59 <SFD_Fred>	yippi: so should I follow up and ask him again, point out that page? He didn't reply at all
 151 Sep 28 22:22:15 <SFD_Fred>	wers: it's a workshop to work on the launch
 152 Sep 28 22:22:34 <yippi>	i think paul and vincent's comment that hackfests normally work on something new or to be improved is a bit limiting.  I see no reason why a hackfest can't be to do something new.
 153 Sep 28 22:22:35 <pockeylam>	for the "hackfest" , we planned to host it right before the launch, to help on the launch 
 154 Sep 28 22:22:59 <pockeylam>	yippi, so the hackfest should be hosted after the launch of GNOME 3 
 155 Sep 28 22:23:01 <pockeylam>	yippi, ?
 156 Sep 28 22:23:09 <SFD_Fred>	yippi: yes, I was also surprise by the interpretation, but I am no native speaker
 157 Sep 28 22:23:25 <pockeylam>	yippi, or before the launch of gnome 3?
 158 Sep 28 22:23:30 <yippi>	SFD_Fred, let him know to contact the GNOME Foundation if he wants to use the brand, though first he should get approval from GNOME.Asia about how they want to use the brand.
 159 Sep 28 22:23:57 <yippi>	I do not feel strongly about whether the hackfest should be before/during/after the actual launch.  It makes the most sense to schedule it when the most people would be able to come to do useful things.
 160 Sep 28 22:24:20 <pockeylam>	yippi, sure! So i put it in the survey to ask people then
 161 Sep 28 22:24:23 <SFD_Fred>	smart way to look at it (hackfest)
 162 Sep 28 22:24:31 <yippi>	I think we should be agreeable to slightly changing the focus of the event if it would draw more people.  For example, if people want to come to do stuff that makes sense to do after the actual launch, then we could have it after the launch to accomodate
 163 Sep 28 22:24:50 <yippi>	so, perhaps it would be a useful question to ask in the survey whether people would like to have such an event before, during or after.
 164 Sep 28 22:24:53 <yippi>	and to ask why
 165 Sep 28 22:25:11 <pockeylam>	yippi, good idea, thanks!
 166 Sep 28 22:25:12 <yippi>	then we can make a more informed decision.
 167 Sep 28 22:25:32 <yippi>	we don't have to limit ourselves for no good reason
 168 Sep 28 22:25:45 <emily>	what is the hacfest goal ? set by ourselves or set after the survey ? a marketing hackfest or a developer hackfest ? 
 169 Sep 28 22:25:58 <pockeylam>	AI: pockey to add two questions in the survey:  1) people would like to have such an event before, during or after. 2) ask why
 170 Sep 28 22:26:22 <yippi>	I think we do want the hackfest to relate to the GNOME 3 event, but how it relates probably makes sense to decide after we know who can come.
 171 Sep 28 22:26:30 <SFD_Fred>	and what they would be interested to work on with a bunch of other GNOME people
 172 Sep 28 22:26:37 <pockeylam>	the goals can be still similar: work on, promote and celebrate GNOME 3 
 173 Sep 28 22:26:50 <yippi>	yes, i think the goals should be broad to encourage the most people to attend.
 174 Sep 28 22:27:30 <pockeylam>	so, i will modify the survey based on the above comments
 175 Sep 28 22:27:35 <pockeylam>	add more background information
 176 Sep 28 22:28:04 <pockeylam>	for the surveys
 177 Sep 28 22:28:19 <pockeylam>	i got some feedbacks, some questions need to be improved
 178 Sep 28 22:28:36 <pockeylam>	1) How much are you willing to spend for transportation and lodging to join the GNOME.Asia Summit 2011 hosted in Asia? is not clear enough. any suggestion
 179 Sep 28 22:28:37 <sakana>	a marketing hackfest?  or a developer hackfest ?  |  2010 is developer hackfest  |  2010 more deep developer hackfest  or change type to marketing hackfest? 
 180 Sep 28 22:29:07 <pockeylam>	sakana, we will ask more questions in the survey and let our participants decide :)
 181 Sep 28 22:29:17 <SFD_Fred>	=> we want to ask about their own personal spending, not GNOME Foundation or company right?
 182 Sep 28 22:29:29 <pockeylam>	SFD_Fred, thanks
 183 Sep 28 22:29:37 <sakana>	pockeylam, I see ^^ thanks u
 184 Sep 28 22:30:11 <pockeylam>	so i added a help section in "help": Help: 	Provided that your company or The GNOME Foundation is not able to fully cover your traveling and lodging expenses.
 185 Sep 28 22:30:27 <pockeylam>	and change the question to : How much are you willing to pay by yourself on traveling and lodging to join the full event in Asia?
 186 Sep 28 22:30:31 <pockeylam>	do u think it's clear enough?
 187 Sep 28 22:30:59 <lakhil>	looks fare enough
 188 Sep 28 22:31:17 <emily>	pockeylam: How about ask in seperated questions: Is it possible your company will you sponsor you to travel to GNOME.Asia 2011. The second questions: do you need sponsorship from GNOME foundation ? If yes, how much do you expected in cost in Asian countries 
 189 Sep 28 22:31:22 <SFD_Fred>	ok with me too
 190 Sep 28 22:32:02 <pockeylam>	emily, the existing questions are already similar to what you wrote 
 191 Sep 28 22:32:26 <pockeylam>	do the gnome foundation has limit (max. amount) on the travel subsidy?
 192 Sep 28 22:33:00 <emily>	I applied $5000 for FY2011 as previous year to our treasure 
 193 Sep 28 22:33:00 <pockeylam>	e.g. usually for GNOME.Asia it's about 800 / 400 for other country / asian countries?
 194 Sep 28 22:33:24 <emily>	Do you think we still need to have this limitation ? 
 195 Sep 28 22:33:57 <pockeylam>	right now the first question is: How likely would your company sponsor your travel to the full event?
 196 Sep 28 22:34:11 <emily>	sounds good to me 
 197 Sep 28 22:34:12 <pockeylam>	How likely would you need the GNOME Foundation to subsidize your travel to the full event?
 198 Sep 28 22:34:27 <pockeylam>	3) Question: 	How much are you willing to pay by yourself on traveling and lodging to join the full event in Asia?
 199 Sep 28 22:34:27 <pockeylam>	Help: 	Provided that your company or The GNOME Foundation is not able to fully cover your traveling and lodging expenses.
 200 Sep 28 22:35:00 <pockeylam>	everybody is okay with this?
 201 Sep 28 22:35:06 <pockeylam>	is it clear enough? 
 202 Sep 28 22:35:15 <emily>	+1 
 203 Sep 28 22:35:22 <SFD_Fred>	yes
 204 Sep 28 22:35:23 <sakana>	+1
 205 Sep 28 22:35:37 <pockeylam>	thanks 
 206 Sep 28 22:35:38 <wers>	pockeylam, so the " Provided that your company or The GNOME Foundation is not able to fully cover your traveling and lodging expenses." is a question before "How much are you willing to pay by yourself on traveling and lodging to join the full event in Asia?"
 207 Sep 28 22:35:42 <wers>	or are they in one question?
 208 Sep 28 22:35:43 <SFD_Fred>	very clear then this way
 209 Sep 28 22:35:51 <pockeylam>	wers, no no, it's a remark
 210 Sep 28 22:35:57 <wers>	ok
 211 Sep 28 22:35:59 <pockeylam>	wers, just to make sure they understand what's the question is about :)
 212 Sep 28 22:36:06 <pockeylam>	wers, since three persons asked me 
 213 Sep 28 22:36:07 <yippi>	i'm confused by this question.
 214 Sep 28 22:36:17 <yippi>	what we really want to know is how much The GNOME Foundation may need to pay for them to attend.
 215 Sep 28 22:36:18 <lakhil>	it will depend on fund availability and the value comes out of the event ?
 216 Sep 28 22:36:30 *	lakhil has quit (Leaving)
 217 Sep 28 22:36:33 <yippi>	so, we really don't care if they pay by themselves of it their company pays
 218 Sep 28 22:36:56 <yippi>	what we really want to know is whether they will ask the gnome foundation to cover travel expenses, and if so, how much they expect to ask for.
 219 Sep 28 22:37:06 <pockeylam>	yippi, ok
 220 Sep 28 22:37:08 <yippi>	so we can put together a preliminary budget
 221 Sep 28 22:37:09 <wers>	makes sense
 222 Sep 28 22:37:29 <pockeylam>	yippi, so i change the third question to : how much they expect to ask for? 
 223 Sep 28 22:37:32 *	lakhil (~lakhil@117.192.24.3) has joined #asia-summit
 224 Sep 28 22:37:46 <SFD_Fred>	but we do have limits though.. so they can ask but we don't give (that much... )
 225 Sep 28 22:37:47 <yippi>	so, i think the question should be reworded so that it tries to get people to let us know the following:
 226 Sep 28 22:37:50 <lakhil>	sorry, network failed
 227 Sep 28 22:37:54 <emily>	<yippi>: I ask German to plan $5000 as before, do you think we need more budget request ? 
 228 Sep 28 22:37:59 <wers>	so the question is going to be something like "How much do you think should the GNOME Foundation cover for your transportation and lodging expenses?"
 229 Sep 28 22:38:13 <pockeylam>	yippi, after the question of  How likely would you need the GNOME Foundation to subsidize your travel to the full event?
 230 Sep 28 22:38:27 <yippi>	First I would ask "Would you need The GNOME Foundation to cover your travel expenses?"
 231 Sep 28 22:38:33 <yippi>	if they answer yes, then ask how much they expect they would need.
 232 Sep 28 22:39:01 <yippi>	if they answer no, we could ask whether they plan to pay themselves or if their employer would pay
 233 Sep 28 22:39:08 <SFD_Fred>	yippi: but somehow it does depend on the location and lodging we're able to offer
 234 Sep 28 22:39:23 <yippi>	sure, but we don't need to know exact numbers, we just mostly want to get a ballpark figure.
 235 Sep 28 22:39:39 <yippi>	once we figure the location, we can calculate more accurate costs if we know where people are travelling from.
 236 Sep 28 22:39:51 <SFD_Fred>	ok
 237 Sep 28 22:39:51 <yippi>	yes, i suspect we'll need more than $5,000 if we want to pay for more than 1-2 people.
 238 Sep 28 22:40:13 <yippi>	won't travel costs be about 1,500-2,000 per person travelling from US or Europe?
 239 Sep 28 22:40:47 <yippi>	so, we might need to get sponsors to help.  But if we can align the goal of the hackfest with something our sponsors will agree with, then we're more likely to get sponsors.
 240 Sep 28 22:40:54 <emily>	Then we need to raise this request earlier to Board 
 241 Sep 28 22:41:07 <pockeylam>	emily, please do
 242 Sep 28 22:41:07 <yippi>	and I'd think most typical GNOME sponsors would think a hackfest focused on making GNOME 3 a successful launch would be worth an investment.
 243 Sep 28 22:41:22 <emily>	yes, really need more sponsors next year 
 244 Sep 28 22:41:35 <pockeylam>	emily, and call for sponsors as soon as possible
 245 Sep 28 22:41:53 <yippi>	and having a good focus for the event is likely to encourage more investment, including likely from The GNOME Foundation.  I'd think the GNOME Foundation would be more interested in paying more if there is real value to the community.
 246 Sep 28 22:41:54 <wers>	yippi, so it's going to be a pre-GNOME 3.0 launch event?
 247 Sep 28 22:42:02 <yippi>	did we decide that?
 248 Sep 28 22:42:10 <yippi>	i thought we were going to use the survey to help us decide.
 249 Sep 28 22:42:11 <emily>	yes, after we finish the survey -> build the website and proposal , then call for sponsors. 
 250 Sep 28 22:42:15 <pockeylam>	wers, haha, u forgot again
 251 Sep 28 22:42:24 <wers>	ooh. ok. hehe
 252 Sep 28 22:42:28 <pockeylam>	emily, decide a location also 
 253 Sep 28 22:42:49 <pockeylam>	let's work on it together
 254 Sep 28 22:43:33 <emily>	So, Pockey, you will  Update one questions about the travel cost into three questions? 
 255 Sep 28 22:43:47 *	terral (~wlashell@67.51.139.235) has joined #asia-summit
 256 Sep 28 22:43:51 <pockeylam>	AI: Pockey to modify the survey questions (have an idea of how much needed for the travel subsidy)
 257 Sep 28 22:43:56 <pockeylam>	emily, yes
 258 Sep 28 22:44:23 <pockeylam>	AI: Emily to discuss about the travel subsidy with The GNOME FOundation board
 259 Sep 28 22:44:26 <emily>	hi terral 
 260 Sep 28 22:44:33 <terral>	allo
 261 Sep 28 22:44:48 <SFD_Fred>	hi
 262 Sep 28 22:45:34 <SFD_Fred>	there was also a question in the feedback about the helpdesk concept
 263 Sep 28 22:45:39 <emily>	pockeylam & yippi: I would like to raise our idea of GNOME 3.0/GNOME.Asia 2011 proposal to board meeting this week.  
 264 Sep 28 22:45:42 <SFD_Fred>	so this is another point to clarify
 265 Sep 28 22:45:59 <pockeylam>	emily, good 
 266 Sep 28 22:46:05 <emily>	yippi: do you think it is mature enough to raise this question to board meeting this week ? 
 267 Sep 28 22:46:09 <SFD_Fred>	and it might surely depend on whether the hackfest is happening before during or after the launch
 268 Sep 28 22:47:19 <SFD_Fred>	or shall we just skipped on it as it adds complexity in the survey and decide later?
 269 Sep 28 22:47:19 <pockeylam>	AI: Pockey to send out test survey to everybody for 2nd round feedback
 270 Sep 28 22:48:12 <emily>	pockeylam: The AI might be changed to  raise the idea to board meeting first.  the next step is talk about funding from GNOME foundation, how do you think? 
 271 Sep 28 22:48:19 <pockeylam>	emily, sure!
 272 Sep 28 22:48:34 <pockeylam>	let's move to our second topic
 273 Sep 28 22:48:37 <pockeylam>	Updates from each potential country hosts i.e. India , Indonesia and Hong Kong 
 274 Sep 28 22:48:54 <emily>	AI Emily to rasie the idea of GNOME 3.0/GNOME.Asia 2011 proposal to board meeting this week.
 275 Sep 28 22:49:02 <pockeylam>	Utian sent some resorts pictures here http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/ResortVenue
 276 Sep 28 22:49:38 <pockeylam>	and added info for the 1 day conference in  IPB international convention center
 277 Sep 28 22:49:41 <SFD_Fred>	yes, quite clear on the whole dormitory set up
 278 Sep 28 22:50:05 <pockeylam>	are we okay with dormitory? :) 
 279 Sep 28 22:50:06 <SFD_Fred>	did everyone take a look at it?
 280 Sep 28 22:51:07 <lakhil>	in guadec, usually there will be rooms which are shared by 2-3 people, not more than that
 281 Sep 28 22:51:14 <emily>	How many people share one room ? 
 282 Sep 28 22:51:22 <pockeylam>	it's one big room
 283 Sep 28 22:51:26 <pockeylam>	for 60 people
 284 Sep 28 22:51:28 <SFD_Fred>	http://picasaweb.google.com/utianayuba/CICOResort
 285 Sep 28 22:51:31 <pockeylam>	there are partitions
 286 Sep 28 22:51:36 <pockeylam>	4 people in 1 partition 
 287 Sep 28 22:51:37 <SFD_Fred>	separate by 4
 288 Sep 28 22:51:40 <SFD_Fred>	yes..
 289 Sep 28 22:51:47 <pockeylam>	there is curtain for each partition 
 290 Sep 28 22:51:51 <SFD_Fred>	split in groups of 4
 291 Sep 28 22:52:24 <yippi>	yes, it sounds reasonable to raise this with the board this week.
 292 Sep 28 22:52:25 <SFD_Fred>	i personally am not ok with this set up.
 293 Sep 28 22:52:40 <pockeylam>	i think we should consider other resorts / youth hostel... max. 2-3 persons / room 
 294 Sep 28 22:52:43 <pockeylam>	then?
 295 Sep 28 22:53:05 <SFD_Fred>	but i don't know what's the standard for GNOME hackfests...
 296 Sep 28 22:53:29 <emily>	$100 per room 
 297 Sep 28 22:53:39 <emily>	shared by two people 
 298 Sep 28 22:53:48 <emily>	That's the stander in European 
 299 Sep 28 22:53:56 <pockeylam>	emily, in asia, let's target less :)
 300 Sep 28 22:54:22 <wers>	I asked my bro to talk to the owner of Holiday Inn in Bali. He said the discount isn't a problem. he just needs to know the specifics
 301 Sep 28 22:54:22 <emily>	let's move on ? we have too many agenda today 
 302 Sep 28 22:54:30 <pockeylam>	for Hong kong, i have an update
 303 Sep 28 22:54:31 <emily>	great 
 304 Sep 28 22:54:48 <emily>	Holiday Inn is nice and price is reasonale 
 305 Sep 28 22:55:04 <pockeylam>	my contact in hong kong told me they got turned down by universities to host the 5 days hackfest, but conference is possible
 306 Sep 28 22:55:10 <SFD_Fred>	wers: what would be the discounted rate then?
 307 Sep 28 22:55:13 <SFD_Fred>	and the capacity
 308 Sep 28 22:55:16 <pockeylam>	so they are sourcing resorts / youth hostel for the 5 days hackfest
 309 Sep 28 22:56:17 <lakhil>	update from India : abharath met his university administration, explained them our plans about hackfest and conference, they will need some time to reply back, may be by next week they will reply back
 310 Sep 28 22:56:22 <pockeylam>	is it okay if it is like a 2 storey building (别墅）that can keep 4 - 8 people
 311 Sep 28 22:56:33 <pockeylam>	and then 10 blocks of them all together in a big area?
 312 Sep 28 22:56:43 <lakhil>	We are not looking for any resort yet as we first want to make sure that we get university for our event which may be at zero cost. 
 313 Sep 28 22:56:51 <wers>	SFD_Fred, they're ok with the estimated number of guests. as for the rate, I don't know yet. I'll keep you posted when I get an update
 314 Sep 28 22:57:40 <SFD_Fred>	pockeylam: it probably depends on the room setup
 315 Sep 28 22:57:55 <SFD_Fred>	pockeylam: but it sounds like a nice setup if everyone has his own house
 316 Sep 28 22:57:59 <pockeylam>	SFD_Fred, it's like a normal camping house
 317 Sep 28 22:58:15 <pockeylam>	with kitchen, bedroom, toilet, a small living room
 318 Sep 28 22:58:18 <pockeylam>	each floor
 319 Sep 28 22:58:44 <emily>	pockeylam: so they are sourcing resorts / youth hostel for the 5 days hackfest -- Who are "they" 
 320 Sep 28 22:59:11 <SFD_Fred>	pockeylam: and how many bedrooms then?
 321 Sep 28 22:59:21 <pockeylam>	emily, 5 of them from hong kong, opensource.hk, hklug
 322 Sep 28 22:59:41 <pockeylam>	SFD_Fred, depends, i don't have the details, but in hong kong there are a lot of separate islands
 323 Sep 28 22:59:55 <pockeylam>	SFD_Fred, all the separate islands have these kinds of camping houses
 324 Sep 28 23:00:15 *	abharath (~abharath@59.96.207.230) has joined #asia-summit
 325 Sep 28 23:00:19 <pockeylam>	emily, from free / open source  communities in hk 
 326 Sep 28 23:00:33 <emily>	thanks 
 327 Sep 28 23:00:40 <pockeylam>	any more quesiton about the venues update?
 328 Sep 28 23:00:47 <abharath>	I am very early for the next meeting I guess :D
 329 Sep 28 23:00:56 <terral>	abharath: heh
 330 Sep 28 23:00:57 <abharath>	I'll follow up the meeting minutes :D
 331 Sep 28 23:00:58 <SFD_Fred>	abharath: hey!
 332 Sep 28 23:00:59 <wers>	I'm so sorry but I have to go for now.... I'll just catch up on email
 333 Sep 28 23:01:04 <pockeylam>	AI: wers lakhil abharath utian pockey follow up on the venues and update the wiki page http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/ResortVenue
 334 Sep 28 23:01:14 *	wers has quit (OMG. I was beamed up. Baiiii)
 335 Sep 28 23:01:19 <pockeylam>	3) Update on the status of our three mailing lists 
 336 Sep 28 23:01:21 <emily>	ok
 337 Sep 28 23:01:30 <pockeylam>	terral, can you update us on this one?
 338 Sep 28 23:01:35 <abharath>	hey SFD_Fred :) Looks like you were the bully in here today :)
 339 Sep 28 23:01:37 <terral>	sure.
 340 Sep 28 23:01:39 <pockeylam>	terral, when can we have the new mailing list :)
 341 Sep 28 23:01:45 <SFD_Fred>	ah?
 342 Sep 28 23:01:48 <terral>	Looks like sometime this week
 343 Sep 28 23:01:52 <SFD_Fred>	abharath: what did I do?
 344 Sep 28 23:02:18 <pockeylam>	terral, great! 
 345 Sep 28 23:02:24 <abharath>	SFD_Fred: :) naa since I was not around, maybe you teased wers to death :) he logged out as soon as I entered :D
 346 Sep 28 23:02:30 <terral>	I want to confirm that you all still intend to keep the "summit"  in the asia-summit-committee  list name.....
 347 Sep 28 23:02:38 <pockeylam>	AI: terral follow up on the three mailing list and update us by email 
 348 Sep 28 23:02:44 <abharath>	terral == wlashell?
 349 Sep 28 23:02:49 <SFD_Fred>	abharath: yes
 350 Sep 28 23:02:55 <pockeylam>	abharath, yes
 351 Sep 28 23:03:06 <terral>	pockeylam: there was a slowdown trying to get some response from the sysadmin team. They are backed up a bit.
 352 Sep 28 23:03:08 <SFD_Fred>	abharath: i was actually waiting for both on you to be together in the same room.. but he is gone
 353 Sep 28 23:03:24 <pockeylam>	item 4) Brainstorm ideas for the event box / kit for local users group (everybody have a look at http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/EventKit before the meeting) 
 354 Sep 28 23:03:32 <pockeylam>	terral, it's ok, we wait for your update 
 355 Sep 28 23:03:45 <pockeylam>	http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/EventKit
 356 Sep 28 23:03:46 <abharath>	sure. I'll add my points after reading the meeting logs
 357 Sep 28 23:03:49 <pockeylam>	have anyone read this page?
 358 Sep 28 23:03:56 <abharath>	but I am sure the brave lakhil covered everything :D
 359 Sep 28 23:04:19 *	abharath rasises his hand to pockeylam's question
 360 Sep 28 23:04:22 <lakhil>	abharath, in decent manner :)
 361 Sep 28 23:04:25 <emily>	I want to confirm that you all still intend to keep the "summit"  in the asia-summit-committee  list name..... -- Do we discuss this before going on? PockeyLam ?
 362 Sep 28 23:04:36 <pockeylam>	for the european event box , it's just one box with all the equipments plus gnome stuff , move around from one conference to another conference
 363 Sep 28 23:04:39 <SFD_Fred>	yes we should
 364 Sep 28 23:04:42 <terral>	emily: apparently not. pockey just keeps on  
 365 Sep 28 23:04:47 <SFD_Fred>	emily: yes we should discuss this
 366 Sep 28 23:04:57 <pockeylam>	emily, can be asia-committee
 367 Sep 28 23:05:08 <pockeylam>	terral, have you submitted yet?
 368 Sep 28 23:05:14 <pockeylam>	emily, let me check again my email :)
 369 Sep 28 23:06:01 <terral>	the the specific names have not been submitted.
 370 Sep 28 23:06:09 <pockeylam>	terral, emily raised good point
 371 Sep 28 23:06:11 <emily>	what's the matter with: asia-summit-committee ? 
 372 Sep 28 23:06:15 <pockeylam>	terral, can we change the name to asia-committee
 373 Sep 28 23:06:29 <emily>	is it too long ? asia-summit-committee 
 374 Sep 28 23:06:46 <pockeylam>	emily, u prefer asia-committee or asia-summit-committee? 
 375 Sep 28 23:06:50 <pockeylam>	actually i prefer asia-committee
 376 Sep 28 23:06:52 <terral>	emily: we seem to be focusing on moving a..........
 377 Sep 28 23:06:55 <pockeylam>	as it's not only the summit
 378 Sep 28 23:06:56 <pockeylam>	:)
 379 Sep 28 23:06:57 <SFD_Fred>	emily: didn't we say gnome.asia is more than just a summit?
 380 Sep 28 23:07:13 <emily>	haha, yes 
 381 Sep 28 23:07:15 <emily>	good point 
 382 Sep 28 23:07:16 <pockeylam>	emily, :) cool!
 383 Sep 28 23:07:34 <pockeylam>	terral, so please make sure the list of the committee is asia-summit :)
 384 Sep 28 23:07:38 <pockeylam>	no no
 385 Sep 28 23:07:43 <pockeylam>	terral, asia-committee
 386 Sep 28 23:07:51 <abharath>	haha pockeylam is too tired :D
 387 Sep 28 23:07:57 <pockeylam>	terral, so please make sure the list of the committee is asia-committee :)
 388 Sep 28 23:07:57 <terral>	okay
 389 Sep 28 23:07:58 <terral>	you know what
 390 Sep 28 23:08:02 <terral>	mail me something
 391 Sep 28 23:08:05 <pockeylam>	abharath, LOL , true
 392 Sep 28 23:08:09 <terral>	i'm tired of reading this spastic nonsesnse.
 393 Sep 28 23:08:13 <pockeylam>	me/ is drunk
 394 Sep 28 23:08:16 <abharath>	terral: :)
 395 Sep 28 23:08:24 <lakhil>	pockeylam, ;-)
 396 Sep 28 23:08:43 <pockeylam>	terral, what spastic nonsense? 
 397 Sep 28 23:08:43 <emily>	pockeylam: Haha, really  drunk ? 
 398 Sep 28 23:08:53 <SFD_Fred>	terral: you mean plastic ?
 399 Sep 28 23:08:56 <SFD_Fred>	:p
 400 Sep 28 23:09:09 <pockeylam>	let get back to event box
 401 Sep 28 23:09:17 <emily>	hehe :) 
 402 Sep 28 23:09:19 <pockeylam>	for the european event box , it's just one box with all the equipments plus gnome stuff , move around from one conference to another conference
 403 Sep 28 23:09:57 <pockeylam>	we can have our own ideas for the asian event box 
 404 Sep 28 23:10:06 *	abharath passes terral some qì shuǐ :D
 405 Sep 28 23:10:10 <pockeylam>	so add your ideas in http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/EventKit
 406 Sep 28 23:11:05 <pockeylam>	maybe we also need to think about how to finance our event box
 407 Sep 28 23:11:07 <emily>	AI for everyone : add your ideas in http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/EventKit
 408 Sep 28 23:11:08 <SFD_Fred>	so we would "build one" and share it in Asia?
 409 Sep 28 23:11:23 <pockeylam>	it's gnome.asia responsibilities
 410 Sep 28 23:11:41 <lakhil>	SFD_Fred, depend on the content :-P
 411 Sep 28 23:11:46 <pockeylam>	hopefully this year we get enough sponsors money, and cover to make a few event boxes
 412 Sep 28 23:12:16 <emily>	We can ask the cost for event box from GNOME foundation, pockeylam 
 413 Sep 28 23:12:27 <abharath>	emily: +1
 414 Sep 28 23:12:30 <pockeylam>	and also we need to dig out all the artworks for gnome posters / flyers / brochures, and allow easy access for asian contributors to localize
 415 Sep 28 23:12:46 <abharath>	but yeah how would the cost help if we plan to build it in Asia?
 416 Sep 28 23:13:11 <SFD_Fred>	emily: the cost is on the page
 417 Sep 28 23:13:25 <pockeylam>	emily, yeah, so we have two options
 418 Sep 28 23:13:27 <terral>	but the cost does not reflect what we would want in a Box for GNOME.Asia
 419 Sep 28 23:13:38 <SFD_Fred>	but we also feel we need to adapt this content to our needs
 420 Sep 28 23:13:43 <terral>	it would be better to figure out what we want for our own, and then try to cost that out.
 421 Sep 28 23:13:46 <SFD_Fred>	terral: exactly
 422 Sep 28 23:14:12 <pockeylam>	my suggestion is there in the page already, so everybody adds yours
 423 Sep 28 23:14:32 <pockeylam>	do we agreed what we need is more the option 2? 
 424 Sep 28 23:14:36 <yippi>	i agree.  i think an asian event box is a bit of a challenge due to the need to translate into different languages.  But at least we could support the major languages that we have volunteers to help with.
 425 Sep 28 23:14:38 <SFD_Fred>	i think the most important are more marketing stuff to give an identity to the team representing GNOME.Asia that IT stuff such as cables, PCs and projector
 426 Sep 28 23:14:49 <yippi>	but it might be good to ask the various Asian l10n teams to help
 427 Sep 28 23:14:50 <emily>	it is our goal for GNOME.Asia committee to create a template event box, then work with other asia gnome users group to build the event box 
 428 Sep 28 23:14:57 <yippi>	if we can identify the things that need translated.
 429 Sep 28 23:15:28 <pockeylam>	great, so let's work creating one box in English first... and then adapt it to other languages
 430 Sep 28 23:15:42 <pockeylam>	sakana, please add your ideas
 431 Sep 28 23:15:44 <emily>	<yippi>: Why not ask the local userd group people to translate ? 
 432 Sep 28 23:15:47 <pockeylam>	sakana, since you want an event box too 
 433 Sep 28 23:15:58 <sakana>	pockeylam, I will
 434 Sep 28 23:16:01 <sakana>	pockeylam, haha
 435 Sep 28 23:16:07 <pockeylam>	sakana, cool!
 436 Sep 28 23:16:09 <yippi>	the U.S./Europe event box already has some english content, so why can't you use those?
 437 Sep 28 23:16:13 <emily>	<yippi>: if there is a group who want a event box, they need to work with us together 
 438 Sep 28 23:16:14 <pockeylam>	sakana, it's a wish list for you... :)
 439 Sep 28 23:16:17 <yippi>	sure, you can also use local user group people to translate
 440 Sep 28 23:16:42 <yippi>	However, there may not be local user groups for all asian languages, so you could contact the L10N team for those languages to see if they could help for those.
 441 Sep 28 23:16:45 <emily>	yippi>: yeah, we can re-use some content in the the U.S./Europe event box 
 442 Sep 28 23:16:52 <yippi>	especially if there are any particular languages that you want to target.
 443 Sep 28 23:16:53 <sakana>	pockeylam,  PS3 / XBOX ?  ( I am kidding)
 444 Sep 28 23:17:04 <pockeylam>	yippi, ok, let's copy those to the asian event box page
 445 Sep 28 23:17:13 <abharath>	sakana: those are already part of the box :) anything else?
 446 Sep 28 23:17:30 <pockeylam>	sakana, haha, no gadgets no toys 
 447 Sep 28 23:17:35 <pockeylam>	sakana, ;)
 448 Sep 28 23:17:37 <sakana>	abharath,  OMG ~~
 449 Sep 28 23:17:49 <emily>	yippi: if there is no local user group, why we create a event box in particular language ? who will manager it ? 
 450 Sep 28 23:18:16 <terral>	emily: we don't necessarily need a whole new box,  just some of the marketing collateral translated
 451 Sep 28 23:18:27 <emily>	yes, I agree, terral 
 452 Sep 28 23:18:46 <pockeylam>	any more point to add on the event kit?
 453 Sep 28 23:18:53 <pockeylam>	if not, we can move to item 5) Discuss about GNOME stores in Asia 
 454 Sep 28 23:19:37 *	lakhil has quit (Leaving)
 455 Sep 28 23:19:49 *	sakana__ (~yaaic@221-120-68-94.dynamic.hinet.net) has joined #asia-summit
 456 Sep 28 23:19:52 <pockeylam>	the GNOME zaazle store looks quite, let's work together to source a similar store for the whole asia market?
 457 Sep 28 23:19:55 <emily>	carry on 
 458 Sep 28 23:19:58 <SFD_Fred>	the thing is that if we have only marketing stuff most likely it will get distributed and we will have to 'replenish' the box each time
 459 Sep 28 23:20:16 <terral>	SFD_Fred: that's kind of the point  ;)
 460 Sep 28 23:20:20 <pockeylam>	ops.. i mean quite good :)
 461 Sep 28 23:20:33 *	lakhil (~lakhil@117.192.24.3) has joined #asia-summit
 462 Sep 28 23:20:34 <SFD_Fred>	terral: which is then very different from the European box
 463 Sep 28 23:21:04 <terral>	SFD_Fred: it would have translated material in addition to the other items etc.
 464 Sep 28 23:21:20 <emily>	We can 'replenish' the box together with Asia GNOME stores 
 465 Sep 28 23:21:27 <pockeylam>	there are a few things, will be for the organizsers / user group leaders to keep
 466 Sep 28 23:21:34 <pockeylam>	e.g. tshirts, banners, flags, posters
 467 Sep 28 23:21:47 <pockeylam>	badges
 468 Sep 28 23:21:54 <SFD_Fred>	so it's one box per country then? we recommend the content and local groups build it?
 469 Sep 28 23:22:01 <SFD_Fred>	sorry for staying on this topic
 470 Sep 28 23:22:23 <SFD_Fred>	and I don't know what the stores are doing with that. it's marketing stuff "for us"
 471 Sep 28 23:22:28 <terral>	SFD_Fred: I don't think there is a solid consensus yet.
 472 Sep 28 23:22:33 <emily>	yes we can SFD_Fred 
 473 Sep 28 23:22:42 <SFD_Fred>	so someone we should offer support to local groups and not make money out of them
 474 Sep 28 23:22:55 <SFD_Fred>	s/someone/somehow
 475 Sep 28 23:23:42 <emily>	The purpose of GNOME store is not making money. I will reminder Beijing GNOME UserS group 
 476 Sep 28 23:23:46 <SFD_Fred>	sakana: would you be happy to be told you need to buy the box from a store next week? and would you buy it?
 477 Sep 28 23:24:25 <sakana__>	I will buy it
 478 Sep 28 23:24:50 <SFD_Fred>	emily: why Beijing GUG? I'm even more lost...
 479 Sep 28 23:25:00 <sakana__>	haha
 480 Sep 28 23:25:07 <SFD_Fred>	sakana: thank you. interesting
 481 Sep 28 23:25:24 <emily>	SFD_Fred: Because BGUG is thinking about build a GNOME store 
 482 Sep 28 23:25:29 <emily>	these days 
 483 Sep 28 23:25:43 <SFD_Fred>	well don't you guys member of the committee feel we should  "offer" the first marketing pack then? (I don't really like the 'box' in the name)
 484 Sep 28 23:25:51 <pockeylam>	we should try to find sponsors (or the GNOME Foundation) to finance the event boxes and send to max or other passionate people
 485 Sep 28 23:25:59 <pockeylam>	it's not fair max needs to pay for it, no?
 486 Sep 28 23:26:03 <lakhil>	sorry but due to power cut, have to leave, bye
 487 Sep 28 23:26:10 <pockeylam>	he needs the box to host local gnome user group events
 488 Sep 28 23:26:10 *	lakhil has quit (Leaving)
 489 Sep 28 23:26:12 <emily>	yes,pockeylam, I think foundation will pay 
 490 Sep 28 23:26:13 <SFD_Fred>	emily: ah ok... i'm not familiar with this so... 
 491 Sep 28 23:26:13 *	abharath hopes for a day when there'll be an exclusive GNOME Store, as big if not bigger than an Apple iStore :D
 492 Sep 28 23:27:02 <pockeylam>	abharath, LOL, you want to make one? ;)
 493 Sep 28 23:27:16 <SFD_Fred>	emily: couldn't we consider having our own "P&L" and try to finance ourselves?
 494 Sep 28 23:27:18 <abharath>	pockeylam: I surely will someday :) just don't know when :D
 495 Sep 28 23:27:29 <SFD_Fred>	it's a nice aim for any group/organization
 496 Sep 28 23:27:34 <pockeylam>	abharath, i wait for that day and buy a Gshirt
 497 Sep 28 23:28:04 <emily>	"P&L" ? Fred 
 498 Sep 28 23:28:13 <SFD_Fred>	profit and loss
 499 Sep 28 23:28:31 <SFD_Fred>	it's a much bigger topic that the box.. i agree
 500 Sep 28 23:28:32 <SFD_Fred>	so let's focus
 501 Sep 28 23:28:34 <emily>	If GNOME.Asia have profit, I am happy to do that 
 502 Sep 28 23:28:38 <SFD_Fred>	how do we see that box?
 503 Sep 28 23:28:59 <SFD_Fred>	1 per active country.. active as in we have a user group or we want to have one... 
 504 Sep 28 23:29:08 <pockeylam>	i see the box as a bunch of gnome-marketing materials that can help gnome contributors to host gnome events locally
 505 Sep 28 23:29:28 <emily>	yes 
 506 Sep 28 23:29:28 <SFD_Fred>	box used to help give an identity to the local promoters and make their job of promoting easier
 507 Sep 28 23:29:38 *	sakana has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds)
 508 Sep 28 23:29:38 <pockeylam>	SFD_Fred, if the country is big, can have a few, for different cities ?
 509 Sep 28 23:29:51 <SFD_Fred>	so they all look like gnomes and are easy to recognize
 510 Sep 28 23:29:52 <pockeylam>	SFD_Fred, agreed
 511 Sep 28 23:29:57 <pockeylam>	SFD_Fred, yes
 512 Sep 28 23:30:02 <SFD_Fred>	any other objective?
 513 Sep 28 23:30:05 <emily>	pockeylam: if there are several groups in one country, that is possible 
 514 Sep 28 23:30:22 <pockeylam>	emily, yep :)
 515 Sep 28 23:30:37 <abharath>	Yup lets get one, see how it goes, then think about expanding :D
 516 Sep 28 23:30:39 <SFD_Fred>	terral: you see something else?
 517 Sep 28 23:30:40 <emily>	sounds good 
 518 Sep 28 23:30:58 <terral>	not yet, it sounds decent so far
 519 Sep 28 23:31:14 <pockeylam>	ok for me too
 520 Sep 28 23:31:23 <pockeylam>	so we remove the option 1 from the wiki page then....
 521 Sep 28 23:31:27 <pockeylam>	everybody agreed?
 522 Sep 28 23:31:28 <terral>	we are taking the idea of the original GNOME event box, and making it more.
 523 Sep 28 23:31:33 <SFD_Fred>	so inside we need stuff that people keep (since the box is somewhat handled by a local team) and share, like GNOME uniforms
 524 Sep 28 23:31:41 <pockeylam>	the option one is an option similar to the european one
 525 Sep 28 23:31:49 <pockeylam>	with hardware
 526 Sep 28 23:31:58 <SFD_Fred>	terral: yes. i think the original box content doesn't really fit here
 527 Sep 28 23:32:18 <pockeylam>	terral, exactly
 528 Sep 28 23:32:40 <SFD_Fred>	yeah.. i think we all have the hardware, or the venue will have part of it if not most
 529 Sep 28 23:32:40 <emily>	we should build our own in Asia and  borrow some content from Euro box 
 530 Sep 28 23:32:55 <SFD_Fred>	or we can easily borrow a projector
 531 Sep 28 23:33:16 <SFD_Fred>	at Beijing LUG we used to borrow Red Hat and/or Novell projector.. worked very well
 532 Sep 28 23:33:31 <SFD_Fred>	we asked for it and they always said yes
 533 Sep 28 23:33:42 <abharath>	yeah Novell projectors work awesome ;)
 534 Sep 28 23:33:44 <pockeylam>	SFD_Fred, right
 535 Sep 28 23:33:49 <pockeylam>	abharath, ^^
 536 Sep 28 23:33:52 <emily>	haha <abharath>
 537 Sep 28 23:33:56 <SFD_Fred>	it's really a some logistic but saves you cost of maintenance, money, troubles etc
 538 Sep 28 23:34:00 <SFD_Fred>	abharath: hehe
 539 Sep 28 23:34:13 <emily>	So we remove Option 1 ? 
 540 Sep 28 23:34:19 <pockeylam>	emily, +1
 541 Sep 28 23:34:27 <SFD_Fred>	emily: yes... i think we should
 542 Sep 28 23:34:31 <sakana__>	my battery is warning me low battery
 543 Sep 28 23:34:33 <terral>	emily: yes
 544 Sep 28 23:34:34 <emily>	who take this action ? 
 545 Sep 28 23:34:35 <pockeylam>	sakana__, ohhh
 546 Sep 28 23:34:35 <SFD_Fred>	we make a derivative product instead
 547 Sep 28 23:34:51 <pockeylam>	emily, i do 
 548 Sep 28 23:35:01 <pockeylam>	emily, AI by pockey 
 549 Sep 28 23:35:03 <SFD_Fred>	so how do we get the GNOME uniform without being a real uniform
 550 Sep 28 23:35:17 <emily>	OK, pockey did a lot AIs today :) 
 551 Sep 28 23:35:25 <SFD_Fred>	button badges? lanyard with badges? T-shirt that people share?
 552 Sep 28 23:35:30 <SFD_Fred>	aprons?
 553 Sep 28 23:35:32 <pockeylam>	sakana__, is it okay we talk about "# Brainstorm ideas for the Taiwan GNOME User Group meetings " next meeting then?
 554 Sep 28 23:35:34 <SFD_Fred>	caps?
 555 Sep 28 23:35:41 <pockeylam>	sakana__, if you re out of battery soon?
 556 Sep 28 23:35:49 <SFD_Fred>	sun glasses with special look?
 557 Sep 28 23:35:59 <sakana__>	sure
 558 Sep 28 23:36:06 <pockeylam>	emily, hehe, i removed already in 1 min 
 559 Sep 28 23:36:07 <abharath>	SFD_Fred: ;) Slow down boy :D
 560 Sep 28 23:36:15 <pockeylam>	emily, AI completed 
 561 Sep 28 23:36:20 <emily>	Haha 
 562 Sep 28 23:36:26 <abharath>	caps + badges
 563 Sep 28 23:36:50 <pockeylam>	abharath, caps are good
 564 Sep 28 23:37:14 <SFD_Fred>	t-shirt is good, but it's more difficult to share.. unless the group remain stable and they keep the t-shirts only for those events
 565 Sep 28 23:37:50 <pockeylam>	sakana__, 如果你快沒有電，我們把臺灣GNOME用戶組的discussion放到下個星期？
 566 Sep 28 23:37:56 <SFD_Fred>	pockeylam and I were talking about a bulk of 10 for 1 group.. so you have 3-4 people initially and they keep the extra 6 t-shirt if the team changes...
 567 Sep 28 23:37:57 <emily>	t-shirt: tell people , if you want to buy the T-shirt, go to : www.gnomestore.org
 568 Sep 28 23:38:05 <SFD_Fred>	(rather than distributing them)
 569 Sep 28 23:38:11 <pockeylam>	AI: Pockey to send 96 email addresses to Max to invite to the GNOME-TW list 
 570 Sep 28 23:38:21 <emily>	ok
 571 Sep 28 23:38:28 <SFD_Fred>	we could have a special text that makes it obvious "it's not for everybodY"
 572 Sep 28 23:38:37 <sakana__>	pockey good idea,
 573 Sep 28 23:38:41 <SFD_Fred>	like "I am a GNOME, ask me how it happened"...
 574 Sep 28 23:38:44 <pockeylam>	sakana__, cool! :) 
 575 Sep 28 23:39:05 <SFD_Fred>	well something to engage the visitors to talk to the guy
 576 Sep 28 23:39:12 <abharath>	or this in a few days :P http://www.gnomestoreasia.org
 577 Sep 28 23:39:19 <pockeylam>	SFD_Fred, good idea, add it in the page 
 578 Sep 28 23:39:21 <SFD_Fred>	(or the girl, though that's usually never a problem)
 579 Sep 28 23:40:24 <emily>	AI for Fred ? 
 580 Sep 28 23:40:32 <pockeylam>	emily, that's AI for everybody :)
 581 Sep 28 23:40:40 <emily>	Add more detail content to event box wiki  page 
 582 Sep 28 23:40:41 <SFD_Fred>	shut up a bit?
 583 Sep 28 23:40:41 <pockeylam>	emily, everybody to add their ideas in the page of eventkit
 584 Sep 28 23:40:43 *	abharath passes a beer to terral. I can hear him smash his desk :D
 585 Sep 28 23:40:44 <SFD_Fred>	;-)
 586 Sep 28 23:40:52 *	SFD_Fred talks too much
 587 Sep 28 23:40:55 <abharath>	emily: sure
 588 Sep 28 23:40:56 <terral>	abharath: heh
 589 Sep 28 23:41:02 <emily>	already there 
 590 Sep 28 23:41:11 <terral>	abharath: no beer here,  its early in morning 
 591 Sep 28 23:41:16 <emily>	carry on ? 
 592 Sep 28 23:41:27 <pockeylam>	so the last two items will be discussed next week
 593 Sep 28 23:41:27 <emily>	move to GNOME stores again ? 
 594 Sep 28 23:41:34 <SFD_Fred>	ok so now that we're done I'd like to get more feedback from yippi about the Mario case
 595 Sep 28 23:41:37 <SFD_Fred>	like an AI
 596 Sep 28 23:42:26 <SFD_Fred>	from yippi last comment, how does GNOME.Asia feel about the GNOME.Asia brand usage on this company website? http://mbm.vn/
 597 Sep 28 23:42:26 <pockeylam>	emily, for gnome stores, the one in china you will discuss with bjgug later :) 
 598 Sep 28 23:42:29 <emily>	Move which two items to next meeting ? 
 599 Sep 28 23:42:39 <pockeylam>	emily, # Discuss about GNOME.Asia website: adding new contents
 600 Sep 28 23:42:39 <pockeylam>	# Brainstorm ideas for the Taiwan GNOME User Group meetings 
 601 Sep 28 23:43:10 <emily>	AI Brian give feedback about the GNOME.Asia brand usage on this company website 
 602 Sep 28 23:43:14 <SFD_Fred>	as a  reminder to everyone, I emailed Mario who helped us with 2009 Asia summit organization and asked to remove GNOME.Asia logo for the partner listing on his company website
 603 Sep 28 23:43:17 <pockeylam>	SFD_Fred, shouldn't use gnome.asia brand without asking us... esp. it's company page
 604 Sep 28 23:43:27 <emily>	pockeylam: also Move the discussion for TW gnome users group to next week 
 605 Sep 28 23:43:28 <pockeylam>	emily, no no, brian gave already
 606 Sep 28 23:43:30 <SFD_Fred>	he removed the "partner" title of the section
 607 Sep 28 23:43:36 <pockeylam>	emily, yep
 608 Sep 28 23:44:10 <pockeylam>	SFD_Fred, even he asked, i think it doesnt make sense to add gnome.asia logo...
 609 Sep 28 23:44:16 <SFD_Fred>	yes brian asked how does the GNOME.Asia feel about the current usage.. based on that we should ask Mario to contact the GNOME foundation if he wants to continue using the logo
 610 Sep 28 23:44:17 <pockeylam>	SFD_Fred, they sponsored us?
 611 Sep 28 23:44:20 *	sakana__ run out of power say goodbye to everyone
 612 Sep 28 23:44:26 <pockeylam>	sakana__, bye :)
 613 Sep 28 23:44:31 <SFD_Fred>	sakana__: bye
 614 Sep 28 23:44:37 <terral>	sakana__: take care
 615 Sep 28 23:44:47 <emily>	sakana__: 88
 616 Sep 28 23:44:51 <SFD_Fred>	well there is a mention of the work they did in about...
 617 Sep 28 23:44:57 <sakana__>	thanks
 618 Sep 28 23:45:03 *	sakana__ has quit (Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org)
 619 Sep 28 23:45:11 <pockeylam>	SFD_Fred, but they did it as a volunteer of foss asia
 620 Sep 28 23:45:13 <SFD_Fred>	and while it is true it was not under this company name at all.. 
 621 Sep 28 23:45:19 <pockeylam>	SFD_Fred, we already let him use it in foss asia
 622 Sep 28 23:45:26 <SFD_Fred>	it's not like we contracted MBM to do the work...
 623 Sep 28 23:45:33 <pockeylam>	SFD_Fred, not at all :)
 624 Sep 28 23:45:38 <pockeylam>	emily, what do u think?
 625 Sep 28 23:45:40 <SFD_Fred>	i personally find the description ok and under 'fair use'
 626 Sep 28 23:45:53 <SFD_Fred>	but my opinion is only mine
 627 Sep 28 23:46:05 <SFD_Fred>	i am a bit bother by the logo though
 628 Sep 28 23:46:46 <SFD_Fred>	I find having it in the middle of all those other FOSS project doesn't give any value to the brand
 629 Sep 28 23:46:53 <SFD_Fred>	(on the front page)
 630 Sep 28 23:46:54 <terral>	However if MBM supports GNOME technology, and continues to contribute to GNOME.Asia,   it is proper for us to approve it.
 631 Sep 28 23:47:08 <SFD_Fred>	terral: he doesn't
 632 Sep 28 23:47:24 <SFD_Fred>	terral: and he used GNOME.Asia to promote his own pet projects LXDE and FOSSASIA
 633 Sep 28 23:47:31 <terral>	SFD_Fred:  He,  or MBM
 634 Sep 28 23:47:37 <pockeylam>	terral, u were not in the conference...
 635 Sep 28 23:47:40 <SFD_Fred>	terral: he is MBM
 636 Sep 28 23:47:41 <emily>	pockeylam: Mario need to send us an official request of using our brand and explain how his company is related to GNOME and GNOME.Asia 
 637 Sep 28 23:48:05 <SFD_Fred>	emily: but do we agree to let him add the logo the way it is now on his frontpage?
 638 Sep 28 23:48:07 <pockeylam>	emily, agreed, otherwise, he has to remove his logo as soon as possible
 639 Sep 28 23:48:15 <SFD_Fred>	emily: yes, if we agree to let him use it
 640 Sep 28 23:48:18 <emily>	SFD_Fred? No
 641 Sep 28 23:48:26 <emily>	unless his reuqest is approved 
 642 Sep 28 23:48:34 <pockeylam>	emily, i agreed
 643 Sep 28 23:48:56 <SFD_Fred>	ok. 
 644 Sep 28 23:48:59 <pockeylam>	so we are clear now
 645 Sep 28 23:48:59 <emily>	Explain how related to GNOME and GNOME.Asia is important 
 646 Sep 28 23:49:04 <pockeylam>	emily, yeah
 647 Sep 28 23:49:09 <terral>	we are in agreement, yes.
 648 Sep 28 23:49:18 <pockeylam>	terral, cool
 649 Sep 28 23:49:23 <emily>	SFD_Fred: Can you take the AI to write this email to Mario ? 
 650 Sep 28 23:49:32 <SFD_Fred>	so AI for ... me?  draft an email to Mario, have the list approve it and send it for him to request logo usage?
 651 Sep 28 23:49:34 <terral>	I don't think Fred should do itl.
 652 Sep 28 23:49:40 <pockeylam>	SFD_Fred, please , your AI :)
 653 Sep 28 23:49:46 <pockeylam>	terral, you want to do it?
 654 Sep 28 23:49:48 <pockeylam>	terral, :)
 655 Sep 28 23:49:54 <emily>	hehe 
 656 Sep 28 23:49:55 <SFD_Fred>	terral: why not?
 657 Sep 28 23:50:00 <SFD_Fred>	i really don't mind
 658 Sep 28 23:50:23 <pockeylam>	up to you guys, as long as it's not me or emily who do it :)
 659 Sep 28 23:50:23 <SFD_Fred>	i can draft it and someone else send it as well
 660 Sep 28 23:50:27 <terral>	I think your personal conflicts with Mario  can make the email come off more hostile than necessary.
 661 Sep 28 23:50:40 <SFD_Fred>	terral: i don't have personal conflict
 662 Sep 28 23:50:44 <SFD_Fred>	terral: he may have, but I don't
 663 Sep 28 23:50:45 <terral>	SFD_Fred: how about you and I work it together.
 664 Sep 28 23:50:54 <SFD_Fred>	terral: sure
 665 Sep 28 23:50:56 <pockeylam>	terral, SFD_Fred good idea :) 
 666 Sep 28 23:51:00 <emily>	great 
 667 Sep 28 23:51:11 <terral>	SFD_Fred: draft one and bounce it over.
 668 Sep 28 23:51:18 <SFD_Fred>	i'll do that
 669 Sep 28 23:51:20 <pockeylam>	terral, sounds good  
 670 Sep 28 23:51:20 <emily>	AI for Fred and Will: draft an email to Mario, have the list approve it and send it for him to request logo usage
 671 Sep 28 23:51:34 <pockeylam>	excellent 
 672 Sep 28 23:51:35 <emily>	so we are done tonight ? 
 673 Sep 28 23:51:41 <pockeylam>	so our upcoming meeting is next tuesday?
 674 Sep 28 23:51:42 <pockeylam>	same time?
 675 Sep 28 23:51:52 <pockeylam>	or we postpone it for 1 week?
 676 Sep 28 23:51:54 <emily>	what's the date for next meeting ? 
 677 Sep 28 23:52:00 <pockeylam>	Oct 5
 678 Sep 28 23:52:04 <emily>	I will be on vacation in 10.1 - 10. 7 
 679 Sep 28 23:52:07 <pockeylam>	it's national holiday for china?
 680 Sep 28 23:52:21 <emily>	you are not in China, Pockey :) 
 681 Sep 28 23:52:26 <pockeylam>	yeah
 682 Sep 28 23:52:28 <pockeylam>	it is 
 683 Sep 28 23:52:33 <pockeylam>	so, emily you are excused
 684 Sep 28 23:52:35 <SFD_Fred>	emily: we never have holidays...
 685 Sep 28 23:52:40 <SFD_Fred>	;-)
 686 Sep 28 23:52:45 <emily>	:) 
 687 Sep 28 23:52:51 <pockeylam>	let's keep the meeting .. as we have tons of works
 688 Sep 28 23:53:00 <pockeylam>	and i agreed to have discuss with max
 689 Sep 28 23:53:01 <emily>	OK 
 690 Sep 28 23:53:03 <pockeylam>	about the gnome user group
 691 Sep 28 23:53:12 <SFD_Fred>	yes we need to progress on survey/hackfest feedback
 692 Sep 28 23:53:14 <pockeylam>	if nobody show up, max and I can talk about the local group ;)
 693 Sep 28 23:53:18 <SFD_Fred>	the time is.. short
 694 Sep 28 23:53:24 <emily>	pockey, you are in the tw group mail list ? 
 695 Sep 28 23:53:24 <pockeylam>	emily, we need to make it happen, the gnome user group in taiwna
 696 Sep 28 23:53:27 <pockeylam>	emily, yes
 697 Sep 28 23:53:29 <pockeylam>	emily, and u ?
 698 Sep 28 23:53:33 <SFD_Fred>	pockeylam: wers and abharath should show up i think
 699 Sep 28 23:53:34 <pockeylam>	emily, nothing much so far
 700 Sep 28 23:53:54 <pockeylam>	SFD_Fred, yeah, wers abharath utian , terral should show up
 701 Sep 28 23:54:06 <SFD_Fred>	yippi as well..
 702 Sep 28 23:54:10 <pockeylam>	cool! 
 703 Sep 28 23:54:12 <terral>	yeap
 704 Sep 28 23:54:27 <pockeylam>	so, wers will take note 
 705 Sep 28 23:54:31 <emily>	terral, hope we will see you in GNOME.Asia 2011 
 706 Sep 28 23:54:36 <pockeylam>	put also in the meeting notes 
 707 Sep 28 23:54:47 <emily>	you are the only one we don't meet face-to-face
 708 Sep 28 23:54:57 <pockeylam>	let's get enough sponsors this year 
 709 Sep 28 23:55:06 <emily>	wers is ? 
 710 Sep 28 23:55:08 <pockeylam>	allan
 711 Sep 28 23:55:11 <emily>	allan 
 712 Sep 28 23:55:12 <SFD_Fred>	Allan
 713 Sep 28 23:55:12 <emily>	OK
 714 Sep 28 23:55:13 <pockeylam>	yeah
 715 Sep 28 23:55:20 <pockeylam>	thanks everybody
 716 Sep 28 23:55:23 <emily>	done 
 717 Sep 28 23:55:26 <pockeylam>	yeah
 718 Sep 28 23:55:28 <pockeylam>	good nite :)
 719 Sep 28 23:55:32 <emily>	always happy to talk with you guys 
 720 Sep 28 23:55:37 <terral>	take care all.
 721 Sep 28 23:55:41 <emily>	have a nice day, terral 
 722 Sep 28 23:55:55 <pockeylam>	terral, bye :)
 723 Sep 28 23:55:57 <pockeylam>	terral, nice day
 724 Sep 28 23:56:03 <emily>	nite, pockey, fred and abharath 
 725 Sep 28 23:56:06 <pockeylam>	emily, nite :)
 726 Sep 28 23:57:09 <SFD_Fred>	nite
 727 Sep 29 00:07:13 *	SFD_Fred has quit (Ex-Chat)
 728 Sep 29 00:21:23 *	abharath (~abharath@59.96.207.230) has left #asia-summit
 729