1 (04:02:15 PM) emily: hello everyone
   2 (04:02:44 PM) emily: we are going to have today's IRC meeting to discuss about all the bids for GUADEC 2012 
   3 (04:03:16 PM) emily: Let's waite for 5 mins, then we start.
   4 (04:08:34 PM) emily: Let's start our meeting now 
   5 (04:08:43 PM) emily: hi all 
   6 (04:09:23 PM) emily: Today we have only one agenda:     Review current bids for GUADEC 2012 
   7 (04:09:56 PM) matte_PLUG [~matte_PLU@matteonunziati.pin.unifi.it] entered the room.
   8 (04:10:30 PM) pmkovar: hi, i'm attending this meeting today on behalf of Jiri Eischmann who is on vacation
   9 (04:10:32 PM) emily: Current, all the bids we received are list here: https://live.gnome.org/GUADEC/2012/Bids
  10 (04:10:42 PM) emily: hello pmkovar>
  11 (04:11:12 PM) emily: hello matte_PLUG 
  12 (04:11:22 PM) matte_PLUG: hello emily
  13 (04:11:44 PM) matte_PLUG: the PLUG bid is not a bid, Uniform Requirements for Manuscripts Submitted to Biomedical Journal
  14 (04:11:47 PM) matte_PLUG: ops...
  15 (04:11:50 PM) matte_PLUG: sorry
  16 (04:11:53 PM) matte_PLUG: I mean
  17 (04:12:04 PM) matte_PLUG: the PLUG bid is not a bid, actually
  18 (04:12:46 PM) matte_PLUG: we have missed the (extended) deadline due to many reasons
  19 (04:12:59 PM) emily: <matte_PLUG>: Oh, OK. Thanks for let me know 
  20 (04:13:23 PM) matte_PLUG: I'm here just to understand what will be now with the real bids
  21 (04:13:26 PM) emily: <matte_PLUG>: I was able to ask you since you show your interesters before
  22 (04:14:03 PM) matte_PLUG: some delays with our public bodies and the overcommitment of many guys with other activities...
  23 (04:14:09 PM) emily: <matte_PLUG>: I will update the wiki to remove your proposal. Hopefully we will see your bid next year 
  24 (04:14:22 PM) matte_PLUG: yeah!
  25 (04:14:26 PM) emily: <matte_PLUG>: No worry, thanks for the update 
  26 (04:14:31 PM) teuf: hey, I'm on confcall but it should be over soon
  27 (04:14:41 PM) teuf: though my name's on the Lyon bid so I probably won't say much ;)
  28 (04:14:41 PM) emily: hi teuf
  29 (04:15:17 PM) emily: BTW, Brian just send me an email to say he has some problem with IRC. 
  30 (04:15:31 PM) emily: I will ask him to log on web-IRC. 
  31 (04:18:24 PM) matte_PLUG: emily: just one thing
  32 (04:18:36 PM) matte_PLUG: I've not received the original invitation of the foundation
  33 (04:18:47 PM) matte_PLUG: because of a typo in my e-mail address
  34 (04:19:10 PM) matte_PLUG: I've discovered your interest in prato thanx to a Red Hat guy born here (in prato)
  35 (04:19:46 PM) emily: <matte_PLUG>: what's your email? 
  36 (04:19:48 PM) matte_PLUG: if you would like to send any future (and welcome) communication please fix the address
  37 (04:19:58 PM) matte_PLUG: eng.matteo.nunziati@gmail.com
  38 (04:20:25 PM) matte_PLUG: there where a lot of spaces instead of dots in the mail logged on the list archives :-)
  39 (04:20:43 PM) emily: <matte_PLUG>: Sure. I will update your contact email 
  40 (04:21:57 PM) emily: So far, we have three bids. 
  41 (04:23:06 PM) emily: There will be a bid review team to review all the bids and give feedback to each bid
  42 (04:23:56 PM) yippi [~bc99092@99.69.124.239] entered the room.
  43 (04:24:04 PM) test [dddf5f7c@ircip4.mibbit.com] entered the room.
  44 (04:24:20 PM) yippi: hi, sorry I am late.  Had troubles connecting to IRC from our internal network.
  45 (04:24:24 PM) emily: hi yippi
  46 (04:24:35 PM) emily: It is not late now 
  47 (04:25:06 PM) emily: We only have one agenda today 
  48 (04:25:14 PM) emily: Review all the bids we got so far 
  49 (04:25:22 PM) test left the room (quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client).
  50 (04:25:32 PM) yippi: is there a link to all the bids received?
  51 (04:25:44 PM) emily: https://live.gnome.org/GUADEC/2012/Bids
  52 (04:26:04 PM) emily: Totally three bids 
  53 (04:27:11 PM) yippi: that's exciting.  are the people who submitted the bids here? 
  54 (04:27:48 PM) emily: dneary, pmkovar are here 
  55 (04:28:30 PM) emily: Dave - Lyon; pmkovar- Brno 
  56 (04:29:25 PM) yippi: have they said anything about their bids?
  57 (04:29:34 PM) toscalix left the room (quit: Remote closed the connection).
  58 (04:29:42 PM) emily: I think we should have Board to join the bid review team. yippi 
  59 (04:30:06 PM) emily: not yet, they can ask and discuss now 
  60 (04:30:50 PM) yippi: the board will obviously make the final decision, but I guess I'd think that it is our job to provide the board with recommendations.
  61 (04:31:10 PM) yippi: what we think are the main differences in the bids to consider, for example.
  62 (04:32:14 PM) emily: <yippi>: I can write a google doc, to list all the factors, then give score to each bid. 
  63 (04:32:34 PM) yippi: that sounds helpful
  64 (04:33:05 PM) emily: <yippi>: Facts like: Venue, local community, organization team, fasility, transportantaion, visa etc
  65 (04:33:13 PM) yippi: how do the bids compare in price?
  66 (04:33:36 PM) yippi: A Coruna seems to be about 93,260 euros
  67 (04:33:47 PM) fnadge: or number of previous conferences held in each country
  68 (04:34:24 PM) emily: <fnadge>: what kind of conference? FOSS conference or GNOME conference? 
  69 (04:34:40 PM) yippi: i think he meant GUADEC
  70 (04:34:50 PM) fnadge: Yep, I did
  71 (04:34:52 PM) yippi: though i am not sure that metric is so useful
  72 (04:35:01 PM) yippi: since it only will single out Spain
  73 (04:35:11 PM) yippi: the only country where there has been more than one GUADEC
  74 (04:35:53 PM) yippi: i mean, this is obviously a factor we want to consider, but I think it is a bit more complicated
  75 (04:36:30 PM) yippi: well, france has had one before and the Czech Republic 0
  76 (04:37:26 PM) yippi: i really like how the Brno bid breaks down the expenses with different options
  77 (04:37:28 PM) pmkovar: the whole central and eastern europena 
  78 (04:37:45 PM) pmkovar: *european region had 0, actually
  79 (04:38:18 PM) fnadge: Right. I liked all bids but I think it might be worth considering that Gnome has so far neglected Central Europe where much of the community work happens
  80 (04:38:28 PM) yippi: also, I think the Brno bid had been nicely improved in the update
  81 (04:38:38 PM) teuf: yippi: comparing the bid prices has to be done carefully, a coruna provisions 25K for travel sponsorship, lyon 40k and brno 0
  82 (04:38:51 PM) pmkovar: thanks, yippi
  83 (04:38:53 PM) yippi: Istanbul is probably the only GUADEC in that region, yes
  84 (04:38:54 PM) teuf: ie the budgets will need to be adjusted depending on the actual needs
  85 (04:39:15 PM) yippi: yes, it is complicated since each group submitting bids uses their own formulas
  86 (04:39:22 PM) emily: agree with teuf 
  87 (04:39:50 PM) yippi: but we do need to get our heads around how the bids compare in terms of cost
  88 (04:39:53 PM) teuf: one thing that worries me about brno is how to get there, I've heard bad things about this, but reading the bid, it seems ok
  89 (04:40:37 PM) emily: <teuf>: the transportation ? 
  90 (04:40:47 PM) yippi: 2 hours by car from prague and vienna doesn't sound too complicated
  91 (04:41:14 PM) pmkovar: yes, as written in the bid, brno is pretty close to prague and vienna
  92 (04:41:42 PM) pmkovar: which are two major european transportation hubs
  93 (04:42:15 PM) fnadge: Braislava is also very close
  94 (04:42:38 PM) fnadge: oops, Bratislava
  95 (04:43:21 PM) yippi: i think it is great that we have received such great bids.  The GNOME Foundation really appreciates all the time and effort that went into putting these together.
  96 (04:43:35 PM) dneary: hi - on channel, but not really here, sorry
  97 (04:43:44 PM) yippi: hi dneary
  98 (04:44:16 PM) yippi: our meeting has 15 more minutes, and I'm not sure what our next step is.
  99 (04:44:17 PM) dneary: And, as a member of the GUADEC committee, I propose we pick Lyon
 100 (04:44:42 PM) dneary: (just kidding, of course I'll take no part in bid discussions until asked)
 101 (04:44:47 PM) yippi: :)
 102 (04:44:55 PM) emily: our next step is figure out who will be in our bid review team
 103 (04:45:15 PM) dneary: I didn't want to send the bid with a big pdf to a public list, so I just sent it to the board - Emily replied (thanks emily)
 104 (04:45:19 PM) emily: Those people who will give score to all the bids 
 105 (04:45:31 PM) yippi: at this point, I think we need to get our heads around how the bids compare to each other, so we can provide the board with something more reasonable to review
 106 (04:45:58 PM) yippi: obviously there are pros and cons to each bid, so listing them out might be a start
 107 (04:46:12 PM) emily: People who sumbit the bid will be abstain, of course :) 
 108 (04:46:14 PM) dneary: emily, I would suggest inviting people who have been involved in organising GUADEC in the past few years, past board members who were in close contact with GUADEC, and members of the GUADEC committee
 109 (04:46:36 PM) dneary: Stormy, for example, can give lots of valuable feedback about what Sponsors say
 110 (04:46:43 PM) dneary: And then choose Lyon.
 111 (04:46:46 PM) dneary: ;)
 112 (04:47:37 PM) dneary: I'm now debating when to stop talking
 113 (04:47:55 PM) dneary: but reading the previous discussion, let me point out 2 or 3 things:
 114 (04:48:20 PM) emily: So current, we have yippi, emily teuf in the bid review team. 
 115 (04:48:32 PM) dneary: Sponsors typically like places which are very central, because the total travel bill if you're sending 20 engineers is much lower
 116 (04:48:35 PM) emily: who else here want to join the bid review team ? 
 117 (04:48:49 PM) dneary: That may be something to bear in mind for Brno & A Coruna
 118 (04:49:07 PM) teuf: emily: as I said, my name's on the Lyon's bid, so I don't think it makes sense for me to be in the review team
 119 (04:49:28 PM) dneary: And having an experienced organising team makes a huge difference - which, I think, is a big + for Brno and Lyon
 120 (04:49:49 PM) teuf: dneary: Brno might be a bit special wrt your sponsoring remark since RH has a big devel center over there
 121 (04:49:53 PM) dneary: The travel funding I included was travel for attendees, just to be clear
 122 (04:49:57 PM) emily: <dneary>: I have upload your bid to wiki page: http://live.gnome.org/GUADEC/2012/Bids
 123 (04:50:00 PM) dneary: That's been our budget for the past few years
 124 (04:50:18 PM) fnadge: And is actually much more central than Lyon
 125 (04:50:25 PM) dneary: Yes, the fact that Red Hat is behind the Brno bid is a big deal
 126 (04:50:26 PM) pmkovar: dneary: brno is in the heart of europe ;-)
 127 (04:50:52 PM) dneary: pmkovar, You start at the Urals, I start at the Danube
 128 (04:50:53 PM) teuf: fnadge: wrt to flying there, I'm not sure which one is more central in Lyon VS Brno
 129 (04:51:20 PM) dneary: Median travel distance for GNOME contributors would be the metric I'd use
 130 (04:51:26 PM) pmkovar: dneary: i'd rather say that czech community members are behind the bid. some of them work for red hat, yes
 131 (04:51:32 PM) yippi: one concern i have about Red Hat organizing Brno is that Red Hat also typically organizes the Boston Summit, which doesn't seem to be getting any attention this year
 132 (04:51:35 PM) emily: <teuf>: sorry, thanks for reminder 
 133 (04:51:43 PM) dneary: That, or how well served is the local airport by major airlines & travel hubs?
 134 (04:52:01 PM) dneary: yippi, I don't think that's a concern
 135 (04:52:18 PM) dneary: yippi, Where it might be a concern is for RH board members taking part in the decision making process
 136 (04:52:39 PM) pmkovar: we have contributors from all over europe, so it makes sense to not exclude easter european countries
 137 (04:52:41 PM) dneary: teuf, I'm pretty sure Lyon is better served by airlines
 138 (04:52:59 PM) yippi: i'm just saying, if the folks from Red Hat could be a bit more clear about their plans, there would be less questions.
 139 (04:53:08 PM) fnadge: Yes you do have a nice airport
 140 (04:53:18 PM) teuf: yippi: plans about Boston Summit or Guadec in Bron?
 141 (04:53:20 PM) teuf: brno
 142 (04:53:25 PM) dneary: teuf, Frequent flights from Frankfurt, Munich, Amsterdam, Paris, London, Ladrid & Milan covers pretty much everyone
 143 (04:53:43 PM) dneary: fnadge, Thank you :)
 144 (04:53:47 PM) yippi: it would be nice if Red Hat could be a bit more clear about their plans about helping to make upcoming events hapepn.
 145 (04:53:52 PM) dneary: fnadge, You have nice Budweiser
 146 (04:55:47 PM) yippi: if we pick Brno, this does mean that they will be playing an important role in making every major GNOME event happen in the next year after the Desktop Summit.
 147 (04:56:24 PM) yippi: so, it would be good to get some perspective about that from Red Hat.  
 148 (04:57:03 PM) fnadge: Right, we here in Brno do not really organize the Boston conference but I am certain that Red Hat will support us as much as possible
 149 (04:59:10 PM) teuf: yippi: the Boston summit is an event organized by a volunteer (who happens to work at Red Hat), it's not really a Red Hat sponsored/organized event
 150 (04:59:38 PM) fnadge: The same applies for the Brno bid
 151 (05:00:24 PM) fnadge: I don't really understand how this got mixed together
 152 (05:00:28 PM) dneary: Looking at the Coruna bid, they've done a lot of advance work on accommodation & venue
 153 (05:00:56 PM) teuf: dneary: the same can be said for brno
 154 (05:01:14 PM) dneary: We've done work on the venue, but not accommodation yet
 155 (05:01:24 PM) dneary: But July in Lyon is quiet
 156 (05:01:41 PM) dneary: We have university appartments & cheap hotels available
 157 (05:02:49 PM) dneary: And they put more work than us into presenting their team & their experience than we did
 158 (05:02:53 PM) dneary: :(
 159 (05:03:07 PM) dneary: But we have a great team & I'm sure the selection committee will see that
 160 (05:03:25 PM) yippi: teuf, the fact that the Boston Summit is currently disorganized is not really a -1 for Brno
 161 (05:04:00 PM) yippi: however, if Red Hat seemed more on top of organizing events in general, it would probably be a +1.  So, I guess if there is a takeaway, it might be worth prodding Red Hat co-workers in Boston to get more active.
 162 (05:04:38 PM) yippi: emily, it seems that the only two people on the GUADEC 2012 bid review committee is you and me
 163 (05:04:44 PM) fnadge: Okay, once again, our team has nothing to do with the Boston Conference, 
 164 (05:04:50 PM) yippi: since we are both board members, this sort of defeats the purpose of having a committee.
 165 (05:04:50 PM) matte_PLUG: honestly I don't think that red hat brno is the same that red hat any-where-else
 166 (05:04:58 PM) matte_PLUG: same BIG company: different people
 167 (05:04:58 PM) dneary: yippi, A Coruna doesn't include €25K for sponsorship, they also include €40K
 168 (05:05:05 PM) matte_PLUG: and also there is a community 
 169 (05:05:06 PM) dneary: yippi, They split it into travel & accommodation
 170 (05:05:18 PM) yippi: fnadge, as I said I don't think the issues about Boston Summit are any sort of -1 for the Brno bid
 171 (05:05:49 PM) emily: <yippi>: I can ask Bharath, since he show his interests last. Btw, I have invited GNOME.Asia memebers to join, but they are busy with selcting GNOME.Asia 2012 bids 
 172 (05:05:50 PM) fnadge: Thanks, Red Hat does not centrally plan community conferences
 173 (05:05:51 PM) dneary: yippi, I think you need to look at the FUDCons in Brno to compare like with like
 174 (05:06:14 PM) yippi: fnadge understood
 175 (05:06:16 PM) teuf: dneary: ah, my bad then I missed the $40k
 176 (05:06:32 PM) dneary: It actually works out at €42K
 177 (05:06:40 PM) yippi: also, everyone is very aware that Red Hat, overall, has been effective and active about making various events happen over the years
 178 (05:07:11 PM) fnadge: thanks, am calming down again:)
 179 (05:07:14 PM) teuf: yippi: I think you have to think of it in another way, if there are volunteers to organize a foss event, and these volunteers happen to work for RH, it's likely that RH will be supportive of their work
 180 (05:07:45 PM) dneary: I was trying to figure out how Coruna was spending so much more money than us
 181 (05:07:48 PM) teuf: in the Guadec case, we happen to have these volunteers, some of them working for RH I gather (?)
 182 (05:07:51 PM) dneary: It's in the parketing & parties
 183 (05:07:56 PM) teuf: in the boston summit case, I dunno
 184 (05:08:04 PM) yippi: right.  Though the main reason why the main U.S. event is held in Boston is because Red Hat has offices there.  If it turns out there aren't Red Hat volunteers to continue make the Boston Summit happen, perhaps the U.S. event may move.
 185 (05:08:49 PM) yippi: teuf, right
 186 (05:09:33 PM) emily: It is 1 hour for our IRC meeting. 
 187 (05:09:50 PM) emily: I can not stay longer
 188 (05:10:14 PM) yippi: emily, do you think it makes sense to ask the board to review the bids now that they have been selected?
 189 (05:10:20 PM) yippi: i mean submitted
 190 (05:10:20 PM) dneary: fnadge, Tu es français?
 191 (05:10:44 PM) emily: My action will be: write a document to list all the facts, then invite people to give core to them 
 192 (05:10:45 PM) fnadge: Janse, a ty mluvis Cesky?
 193 (05:10:46 PM) yippi: if the only people on the review committee are board members, it probably makes just as much sense to have the entire board review them.
 194 (05:11:14 PM) emily: <yippi> : yes,  I already forward all the bids to board 
 195 (05:11:30 PM) yippi: okay, let's just tell the board that we will review them as a group.
 196 (05:11:59 PM) emily: OK, so I will create a google doc, then board will give score to each bid 
 197 (05:12:28 PM) yippi: yes, and we should make sure to put this on the agenda for the next meeting.
 198 (05:12:59 PM) yippi: again, I want to express that we really appreciate receiving such good bids to consider
 199 (05:13:05 PM) emily: <yippi>: our next meeting is in two weeks 
 200 (05:13:05 PM) dneary: emily, yippi: As a bidder, I'd really like to know soon what will be expected of bidders in terms of defending their bigs
 201 (05:13:34 PM) yippi: dnary, what sort of timeframe would you like?
 202 (05:13:38 PM) yippi: dneary i mean?
 203 (05:13:42 PM) pmkovar: yes, in case that board members would have additional questions...
 204 (05:14:01 PM) dneary: emily, yippi: I mean, will we do it before the DS on a conf call, will you short-list 2 of the 3 bids, how much time should I set aside over the next 3 weeks for this?
 205 (05:14:35 PM) dneary: As pmkovar says: will there be an opportunity to address perceived short-comings, or will the decision be made on the basis of the bid documents alone?
 206 (05:15:23 PM) dneary: I'd ideally like to have an idea before GUADEC.
 207 (05:15:27 PM) yippi: Overall, these bids seem well prepared, so I do not expect that those who have submitted their bids will need to invest much time providing additional information
 208 (05:15:58 PM) yippi: there may be some questions or items to clarify, but I would not expect these to require a big time investment to provide if needed.
 209 (05:16:03 PM) dneary: yippi, I think I'd have some questions...
 210 (05:16:09 PM) fnadge: So, what would be a realistic time frame, a week or two?
 211 (05:16:43 PM) emily: how about one week for questions and feedback between board and biders ? 
 212 (05:17:14 PM) fnadge: emily: sounds good to me
 213 (05:17:18 PM) emily: through emails, both board and people who submit bids can discuss there 
 214 (05:17:26 PM) yippi: the next board meeting is tomorrow
 215 (05:17:42 PM) yippi: it is probably not realistic to expect the board to have made a decision by then.
 216 (05:17:52 PM) emily: We can not make a decesion tomorrow, just involve all the board tomorrow 
 217 (05:18:08 PM) yippi: i think it is realistic to expect the board to get back to you soon after the board meeting on the 26th at the latest.
 218 (05:18:50 PM) emily: yes, 26th sounds reasonable. 
 219 (05:19:13 PM) yippi: dneary, what questions?
 220 (05:19:39 PM) yippi: or do you just mean to say that you expect that the board will ask questions.
 221 (05:20:05 PM) pmkovar: fwiw, jiri eischmann as the contact person for the brno bid will be back on 25th
 222 (05:20:20 PM) emily: have one week for people to provide feedback, defending, provide more informations sounds good. yippi, how do you think ? 
 223 (05:20:31 PM) pmkovar: so i will act the contact person till 25th
 224 (05:20:40 PM) dneary: yippi, Well, for the Lyon bid I'd have some questions about the venue
 225 (05:20:54 PM) bobert [~bobert@c-76-126-62-51.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] entered the room.
 226 (05:21:05 PM) dneary: I would probably like to get a commitment from Lyon 2 that the event will be free (or from the city that they'll pay for it).
 227 (05:21:27 PM) emily: pmkovar: We contact you if we have any questions. :)
 228 (05:21:31 PM) bobert: Just joined
 229 (05:21:59 PM) pmkovar: emily: thanks
 230 (05:22:10 PM) emily: bobert: hello
 231 (05:22:51 PM) emily: bobert: we are reach to the end of the meeting 
 232 (05:23:06 PM) bobert: Yes, I was afraid of that... :-)
 233 (05:23:10 PM) emily: sorry, I have to leave now. 
 234 (05:24:08 PM) emily: Let's say the timeframe is: one week for discussion and defending or update by email 
 235 (05:24:44 PM) emily: What is our next GUADEC IRC meeting ? 
 236 (05:25:17 PM) emily: How about we have the next IRC meeting in one week ? July 18th ? 
 237 (05:25:32 PM) bobert: Sounds good
 238 (05:25:42 PM) emily: Since we may have some update/feedback/discussion for the bids 
 239 (05:26:10 PM) emily: next meeting is July 18th, UTC 14:00 
 240 (05:26:55 PM) emily: July 11 - 18 is the week for discussion/defending/update bids by email 
 241 (05:27:54 PM) emily: I have to offline now. you can continue the discussion here. 
 242 (05:27:56 PM) emily: Bye 
 243 (05:28:23 PM) emily left the room.
 244 (05:28:57 PM) yippi_ [~bc99092@99.148.68.237] entered the room.
 245 (05:30:49 PM) yippi_: i've been putting meeting minutes on the wiki
 246 (05:34:07 PM) andre [~andre@g1.blanicka25.net] entered the room.
 247 (05:36:02 PM) yippi_: gmc, bobert, matter_PLUG, neopoop, pmkovar, what are your names for the meeting minutes?
 248 (05:36:25 PM) bobert: Real life name? Bob Murphy
 249 (05:36:41 PM) pmkovar: yippi_: Petr Kovar, see https://live.gnome.org/PetrKovar
 250 (05:37:10 PM) matte_PLUG: yippi_: matteo nunziati
 251 (05:38:35 PM) yippi left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 600 seconds).
 252 (05:38:52 PM) yippi_: the minutes are here: https://live.gnome.org/GUADEC/GUADEC-2011-0711
 253 (05:39:05 PM) yippi_: i joined the meeting late.  could someone else attach a log of the meeting?
 254 (05:39:29 PM) dneary: matte_PLUG, Were you planning on sending in a bid for Prato?
 255 (05:39:49 PM) matte_PLUG: dneary: we are run out of time :-)
 256 (05:40:04 PM) matte_PLUG: I've tried to create a bid due to the interest of some local bodies
 257 (05:40:21 PM) pmkovar: yippi_: sure thing, i can do that
 258 (05:40:47 PM) yippi_: thanks.  i created the link in the wiki, but it isn't active yet
 259 (05:41:03 PM) matte_PLUG: dneary: it seems other people here were over committed to other projects
 260 (05:41:54 PM) dneary: fnadge, Níl. Gaeilge.
 261 (05:44:42 PM) fnadge: dneary: íche mhaith níl Gaeilge mhaith agam
 262 (05:45:32 PM) fnadge: :)
 263 (05:45:42 PM) dneary: fnadge, I'm not even sure I understood your czech. That *was* "Yes. Are you Czech", wasn't it?
 264 (05:46:40 PM) fnadge: dneary: Close, I said that I speak better Czech, but no I am not Czech 
 265 (05:46:44 PM) emily [~emily@221.223.95.124] entered the room.
 266 (05:47:24 PM) dneary: OK
 267 (05:47:27 PM) dneary: Are you French?
 268 (05:48:56 PM) pmkovar: emily: are you working on uploading the irc log right now? i think there were edit conflicts ;-)
 269 (05:49:04 PM) matte_PLUG: ehm... the irc log is *really* badly formatted :-S
 270 (05:49:21 PM) emily: <pmkovar>: yes, that's why I am here again 
 271 (05:49:50 PM) emily: It would be only one person to update it 
 272 (05:50:12 PM) pmkovar: emily: all right, yippi asked me to do it, but never mind
 273 (05:51:20 PM) emily: <pmkovar> : Would you please upload the final log? You are here in the whole meeting 
 274 (05:52:28 PM) emily: <matte_PLUG>: sorry, I upload in .html file
 275 (05:52:48 PM) pmkovar: emily: sure, are we supposed to include the discussions about who is irish and who speaks czech in the log? :-)
 276 (05:53:06 PM) emily: <pmkovar>: it would be good if you can upload a whole log
 277 (05:53:16 PM) emily: No problem to include them 
 278 (05:53:31 PM) matte_PLUG: lol
 279 (05:53:34 PM) pmkovar: ok
 280 (05:54:32 PM) emily: pmkovar: Thank you