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Download<shaunm> good morning/afternoon/evening --> andreasn (~andreas@90-227-178-160-no128.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #foundation <andreasn> hi! andre andreasn_ andreasn andreasn_ andreasn <shaunm> hi andreasn <aday> hi all <stormy> good morning! (Or afternoon/evening!) <karenesq> hi! :) <fmuellner> hi everyone <shaunm> I guess we can start. people don't seem to be trickling in right now agenda is here: http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/MeetingAgenda <ebassi> ho everyone hi, even <shaunm> TOPIC: Desktop Summit promo and registration It seems that people aren't actually registering for the DS yet. We'd like to encourage people to register as soon as possible. It really help with planning. * karenesq goes to get the registration link <shaunm> Does anybody have ideas on how else registration can be promoted? <stormy> @gnome could dent/tweet and the rest of us could redent/retweet. <aday> i've been meaning to do that <andreasn> I think we could put a link on gnome.org frontpage in the news section <karenesq> https://desktopsummit.org/register <aday> will do it now <shaunm> stormy: who has access to @gnome? <karenesq> in case anyone here hasn't registered yet <stormy> shaunm, I do but I'm not the person that's been tweeting lately. I think there's a handful of us. <stormy> I'll post something. <shaunm> great andre andreasn_ andreasn andreasn_ andreasn <aday> stormy, shaunm: i'm doing it now andre andreasn_ andreasn andreasn_ andreasn <stormy> thanks, aday! <shaunm> andreasn: who can do that? <andreasn> shaunm, I have access to that <andreasn> I need to write a story about our Q1 report anyway <stormy> access to what? (did my IRC client miss some stuff?) <andreasn> gnome.org/news <shaunm> stormy: sorry, edit www.gnome.org <stormy> thanks * stormy is still half asleep <aday> anybody who wants gnome.org account just needs to ask <shaunm> so we've got a tweet and a news item on gnome.org Lydia asked me to blog about it, so I'm going to do that too any other ideas or concerns? ok, moving on TOPIC: Boston Summit Without J5 taking the lead, the Boston Summit isn't really getting taken care of Are there Boston locals who can step up on this? <karenesq> walter bender has volunteered to help us get the space, but we really need help scheduling as an initial matter and then on the ground planning <shaunm> what kind of scheduling work needs to be done? just deciding when it is, or...? <karenesq> shaunm: picking the date! <shaunm> ah, ok <aday> we discussed contacting other red hat people last meeting. has that happened? <stormy> traditionally it's always been columbus day weekend so that we could get the rooms for 3 days <karenesq> I contacted a few people, including some red hat people, and so far no one has volunteered to organize (though there have been good offers to help) --> bkuhn (~bkuhn@206.217.92.186) has joined #foundation <aday> thanks karenesq, that's good to know <shaunm> did anybody email boston-social? <karenesq> shaunm: yes, I did <shaunm> ok So I don't really know how much on the ground work is involved. It's a pretty low-key event --> cosimoc (~cosimoc@linusse.org) has joined #foundation <shaunm> I guess there's generally coffee out, and there's usually a coordinated social evening <karenesq> I didn't realize that it's usually Columbus day weekend. I can ask some of the usual attendees if that works this year that's our first hurdle - just getting it scheduled and having people save the time for it <shaunm> right knowing where the venue is would be good sooner so that people can book hotels <karenesq> I'm new, but I'm under the impression that a lot of the other organizing happens more last minute :) <shaunm> I know it's been in the same place the last few years, but we might be too late to get that space now. <karenesq> shaunm: agreed. Walter had a couple of ideas, but we should move as soon as we can to try to get one of them <shaunm> ok <stormy> fyi, it wasn't columbus day weekend last year and I think that caused problems for the 3rd day but it probably depends on the space <shaunm> stormy: I seem to recall a conflict with another event ok, unless we have volunteers here, or people have ideas on how to find volunteers, I guess we just need to talk to Walter and hound more Boston locals has anybody tried to have a chat with J5 about exactly what things he does? <karenesq> OK, I'll get on that, and ping J5 again :) It was so great of him to organize in the past <shaunm> yeah if he could just send an email with a bullet list of the things he usually deals with, that would be helpful, I think anything else? TOPIC: Hackfests Have some <andreasn> :) <shaunm> We don't have many upcoming hackfests scheduled. We like hackfests. <andreasn> there is the Introspection hackfest happening <shaunm> http://live.gnome.org/Hackfests yes, and it's the only one on the schedule <aday> maybe someone could blog about this on the foundation blog? it'd be nice to see more posts on there anyway <stormy> maybe we should write a post about all the great ones we've had and say we are looking for more? <aday> stormy: i agree :) <shaunm> I like that idea <stormy> Is there someone that has followed the hackfests? Or attended a few? <andreasn> only a few :) <shaunm> I've only been to doc sprints <andreasn> shaunm, you went to Berlin too <shaunm> that was kind of doc-y too <andreasn> indeed all my hackfest are graphicsy and designy :) <shaunm> Tiffany's been to the two user docs hackfests and to the IM hackfest isn't desrt a hackfest junky? <andreasn> vuntz is a total hackfest junkie <aday> andreasn: we should have another ux hackfest <andreasn> aday, indeed <ebassi> desrt was also planning a gtk hackfest <andreasn> ah, yes andre andreasn_ andreasn andreasn_ andreasn <ebassi> either for Q4 2011 or Q1/2 2012 <shaunm> andreasn, aday: I think it would be interesting to co-locate a docs hackfest with a ux hackfest <andreasn> shaunm, interesting. Explain more <shaunm> have separate rooms and agendas. we'd all do exactly what we'd do anyway. but we could walk across the hall and hit you guys with foam bats ;) <andreasn> haha <aday> i think that would quickly grow from a hackfest to a conference <shaunm> it might Gnome Ux And Docs Editing Conference hmm... <karenesq> ha! <andreasn> but you think it could come good things out of co-locating them? <shaunm> I think we'd benefit from getting a closer glimpse into how things are moving <andreasn> right, and for UX we could get a lot of wording help <shaunm> and we frequently do impromptu tests of our help that sometimes shows things users are confused by yeah, and we can definitely help with language/wording <aday> i think it makes a lot of sense to have representatives from across the project at a UX hackfest, including docs, but also marketing, a11y, etc <shaunm> yeah so maybe I could just attend as the docs guy, rather than trying to get the whole docs team there (they might be getting sick of me making them travel) --> dneary (~dneary@ALyon-152-1-39-102.w83-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #foundation <shaunm> we can figure it out later\ so, a blog post about past hackfests, and encouraging people to have more and we should talk to desrt and vuntz, because they're hackfest junkies, about providing some content for that anything else? ok, moving on TOPIC: Friends of GNOME We like them <karenesq> time for a new campaign? <shaunm> when was our last campaign? <ebassi> it was for the sysadmin hire <andreasn> no, we had the get-100-subscribers one too but it was less successful <dneary> shaunm, ebassi: Might be a good idea to follow up on that - and let people know what Christer's been up to <shaunm> I suspect having a concrete goal helps, like "we need a sysadmin" <stormy> shaunm, definitely concrete goals <shaunm> dneary: good idea <karenesq> agree! <stormy> And so far, we mostly reach our own community, so things they care about like a sys admin. Concrete things <aday> didn't we have a discussion about the next campaign not so long ago? i thought it was agreed that we'd campaign to raise money for boston summit <stormy> christer does/did updates - perhaps we could make those more public <aday> and then nothing happened :P stormy: more fodder for the foundation blog? <andreasn> aday, hm, I forgot about that all together <stormy> aday, yes :) <-- ploum has quit (Ex-Chat) <karenesq> Maybe if I can get boston summit scheduled we can use that announcement as the launch to the campaign, though it may be easier to get corporate sponsorship for the Boston Summit than for other GNOME goals (I don't know for sure yet though) <shaunm> so, if we campaign to raise money for the summit, we should have some sense of the summit actually getting taken care of do we usually get corporate sponsorship for the summit? <dneary> shaunm: Usually no shaunm: Although companies have done things like paid for pizzas in the past <shaunm> ok <dneary> But it hasn't been very formal <stormy> shaunm, but we have in the past <stormy> We had a couple of corporate sponsors year before last I wrote up a Boston Summit sponsorship agreement. Novell sponsored. <dneary> stormy, Wasn't there a discussion in the past to have "event partners" packages where you sponsored the foundation for the year, for all events? <stormy> And someone else. Collabora? <shaunm> what do they get out of it? <stormy> dneary, one company really needed that <stormy> shaunm, basic things like logo on the web page and recognition in various ways <shaunm> all right <stormy> Boston Summit is at a convenient time budget wise for many companies ... <shaunm> I'm just thinking the web page is just a wiki page, and there's no programs or printed materials. seems like a hard sell for promotion <stormy> dneary, but it couldn't be called "event partners" - the idea was to wrap up events in a bigger sponsorship package for companies that have a separate event review process <stormy> shaunm, most of our sponsors want recognition within our community, not tradtional marketing <andreasn> shaunm, we should be able to put up a proper website if needed <stormy> In 2009 we had 5 sponsors https://live.gnome.org/Boston2009 <dneary> stormy, Yes - things like kudos in blog posts, good sentiments, not getting forgotten from t-shirts etc :) <stormy> Something is wrong though ... 2009 and 2010 show the same sponsors and I know that's not right. dneary, yeah, not getting forgotten from t-shirts <aday> andreasn: maybe we could put our sponsors in a community section on gnome.org? <andreasn> aday, for boston summit specifically? <aday> andreasn: in general sponsors == foundation members, i guess <shaunm> stormy: the sponsors part is just a wiki Include of https://live.gnome.org/BostonSummit <aday> andreasn: anyway, we can talk about that <andreasn> aday, maybe. vdepizzol have more ideas for community site I guess. aday, yeah <shaunm> all the annual pages include the same thing <BLUG_Fred> aday: regional event get sponsors who are not necessarily foundation members s/event/events <shaunm> so, coming back to FoG, do we want to use the summit as a compaign? if we do, we should have some sense of how much money we need, so we have an actual goal for the campaign or we count on sponsors to cover summit expenses, and use something else to do a FoG campaign or we wait a while to do another campaign <stormy> we could do a campaign to cover a series of hackfests <shaunm> sure <andreasn> sounds like a good idea <shaunm> although for that, we should have those hackfests defined <aday> <mutter>or to pay for a gnome gitorious instance</mutter> do we have anyone signed up to make this campaign happen, though? <dneary> aday, Maybe it'd be worthwhile asking gitorious if they'll give us one for free <shaunm> uh gitorious is free software, yes? we just need somebody to install/admin it? <dneary> shaunm: Isn't gitorious the commercial hosted git service? <dneary> Not sure what it brings to the table, but Allan muttering perhaps he can bring it up on a list <shaunm> dneary: I think you're thinking of github <aday> the idea was to pay someone to do the sysadmin work involved <shaunm> I don't think this requires money. I think it just requires elbow grease. ok <aday> but i think the more important question is making sure that we have people who want to run this campaign is anyone willing to take it on? <karenesq> I of course am happy to help with whatever campaign is settled on :) <dneary> aday, The question is: what does the community want that needs money or time? <andreasn> Gitorious AS provides installation and maintenance, consulting etc. https://gitorious.org/about aday, I'm happy to help with the web bits <bkuhn> Re gitorious: it has a commercial hosting side as well, but they release all the code under AGPLv3. IIRC, software and service both called gitorious, which creates confusion. I've heard it's not trivial to install and configure your own gitorious site, but it is possible for a good sysadmin. A guy named "Justin Baugh", who used to be a sysadmin at FSF years ago, installed it; I'm sure he'd be happy to talk to GF's sysadmin about it. See http://identi.ca/notice/64227557 for his 140 char assessment. <aday> the reason i suggested gitorious was because it a) seems like a tangible outcome and b) i've spoken to some people who'd like to see it happen <shaunm> ok, so ideas for campaign goals include: 1) Boston Summit, 2) a series of hackfests, and 3) setting up gitorious <aday> i don't really mind though <bkuhn> (I like dneary's idea of asking Gitorious AS to donate a special hosted area for GNOME, though.) <shaunm> and there's the question of who's going to run the campaign. I think the board will manage to find someone, either from the community at large, or within the board <stormy> There's always the idea of matching or giving. So someone says I will set up gitorious (for free) if we raise $10,000 for hackfests. That's not a good example ... <shaunm> bkuhn: whether that's useful depends on what GNOME people want out of a gitorious instance. that's not entirely clear to me yet bkuhn: if they want it as a better view into existing git.gnome.org stuff, a hosted area doesn't seem like the right solution <bkuhn> shaunm: agreed. <shaunm> aday: do you have names of other people who've expressed an interest in gitorious? can we continue this over email? <dneary> In general people give money for something that will make a big visual difference to the project <aday> shaunm: aruiz was the main person. i'd love to follow this up <shaunm> ok, cool we should move on. we're already over time <dneary> It could be a programme or some project that people really want <shaunm> (not that people seem to be dropping off) dneary: that could work with funding a series of hackfests, if at least some of those hackfests will have some very cool user-visible results <karenesq> I like the idea of building a Hackfest Fund <shaunm> I do too <karenesq> that gives flexibility - the more corporate sponsors we get, the more we can stretch the money out to have more hackfests <shaunm> so, let's get some proposals for some cool hackfests, and we can use those as campaign fodder all right, let's move on. people can email the board or chat later on #foundation about further ideas/concerns/whatever TOPIC: Women Outreach Program Marina's not here, unfortunately. This has been so far successful, and the board has approved another round of funding for the program. So, hey, everybody start thinking of projects to mentor. :) <aday> just to clarify, this round would be separate from gsoc? <shaunm> yes and note that the wop doesn't have the "code only" restriction of gsoc. we have five (!) interns doing documentation work this summer <aday> when would the next round start? <BLUG_Fred> can we ask wop student to have gnome 3 as their desktop when they post screenshot on their work on the planet? s/student/students <-- andreasn_ has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) <BLUG_Fred> or is it too early (not enough distro roll out yet)? <ebassi> I think gnome3 is available for every major distro - with various degrees of support <shaunm> aday: I think December <ebassi> and yes, I think it would be good to have them use gnome3 <aday> thanks shaunm <BLUG_Fred> especially since they are 'sponsored' by the GF <aday> BLUG_Fred, ebassi: i agree, though i can understand why that doesn't happen. <ebassi> and since they are contributing to it, I'd say ;-) <BLUG_Fred> aday: maybe we didn't ask... <aday> BLUG_Fred: maybe :) <stormy> maybe we should have some sort of "gnome 3" installfest at the Desktop Summit <ebassi> stormy: +1 <karenesq> great idea! <BLUG_Fred> we did that at GNOME.Asia.. more like an install/Q&A/Support desk and we had lots of people dropping by <shaunm> who can coordinate that? <BLUG_Fred> very good way to talk to people and explain stuff about GNOME3 <ebassi> do we have a stall and the event box? <dneary> stormy, It's not the topic of the moment, but we really need to work on "how to use GNOME 3 on distros that aren't shipping it" Esp. Ubuntu <shaunm> dneary: how much of that is just technical problems? <BLUG_Fred> dneary: shouldn't people wait for next release for Ubuntu? Like openSUSE people for example? dneary: to get smooth riding i mean <shaunm> will it run smoothly in the next release? <BLUG_Fred> shaunm: well.. it should run better than now no? (at least that's what I've heard... don't ask me from who) shaunm: else it goes back to the "our relationship with Canonical" task which someone from the board is taking care of no? <dneary> BLUG_Fred, (a) Ubuntu is a special case, in that they're not likely to ship GNOME 3 as a first-class citizen for a while and (b) if you're telling someone that the only way to try GNOME 3 is to upgrade their distro, we're going to have very slow uptake It's kind of scary to upgrade a distribution <BLUG_Fred> dneary: right.. but 11.10 will have GTK3 at least.. so it should help with the ppa <shaunm> honestly, I think upgrading your desktop is one of the scariest pieces of upgrading your distro <BLUG_Fred> dneary: well installing a new desktop environment is as well. especially gnome3 on 11.04 or before <dneary> You go through the upgrade hell that Kathy Sierra describes here: http://headrush.typepad.com/creating_passionate_users/2006/09/why_they_dont_u.html <BLUG_Fred> 2006 <dneary> BLUG_Fred, Yeah - but if you can lower the bar, just a little, it makes a big difference <BLUG_Fred> shaunm: anyway sorry for the distraction. where were we? <shaunm> Women Outreach Program but if nobody has anything to add to that, discussion is open <BLUG_Fred> dneary: well the problem seems to be that the bar can't be lowered at the moment if I understood correctly so discussions with canonical could surely help for the next release (I want to believe) <shaunm> dneary: I just don't have any ideas as to how to make the situation better <dneary> shaunm: Yeah, it is tricky shaunm: It'll sort itself out in a couple of years <dneary> In the meantime, it'll be a real dampener on adoption of GNOME 3 And maybe that's OK, it means we get progressive adoption rather than wholesale upgrade --> marina (~marina@nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com) has joined #foundation <shaunm> ok, I'm going to cut the meeting log here and go make lunch. feel free to keep chatting. I just won't be moderating or logging
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