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   2 <pcutler> alright, let's get started, thanks to everyone for coming, especially those in europe staying up late
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   4 <fagan> its only like 10 o clock
   5 <pcutler> We have an agenda here:  http://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/MarketingTeamMeetings/14JAN2010Meeting
   6 * Shayon adds in asia too :)
   7 <pcutler> Any volunteers to take the meeting minutes and post on the wiki?
   8 * stormy is tired and it's only like 3pm. Thanks for all those staying up late!
   9 <Shayon> is wiki the only place or something else is also preferred ?
  10  like Mailing list 
  11 <andreasn> sending out the minutes to the marketing-list after the meeting sounds like a good idea
  12 <pcutler> that's fine, I can copy them over to the wiki after that
  13 <Shayon> yeah ! cool 
  14 <pcutler> ok, let's start with the GNOME Store.  andreasn: thanks for sending out the update on the mailing list earlier this week
  15  http://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2010-January/msg00046.html
  16  I know stormy replied to the email too, are there any other blockers that we have to do?  or a recommendation for a launch date for the store?
  17 <stormy> According to the email there are a few more steps and we need volunteers.
  18  I think the 2 left are:
  19 <pcutler> (http://www.zazzle.com/gnome)
  20 <stormy> 2 more products (and I suggested some)
  21  a nice header
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  24 <stormy> Oops 3: some spacing on the sidebar
  25 <andreasn> stormy, where can I find the e-mail with the product suggestions?
  26  is that from nov-dec?
  27 <pcutler> andreasn: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2010-January/msg00064.html
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  29 <stormy> I replied to all in that thread with links to products, not with art work though!
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  31 <andreasn> looks like a good list, should be rather simple to make those
  32  and replacing one of the t-shirts with a polo sounds sane
  33 <pcutler> andreasn: would it help if I added the new header to the art request page on live.gnome.org?
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  35 <andreasn> possibly, I think Daniel had one in his initial gnome store mockup, but I need that in a good format
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  37 <pcutler> ok - how important is the spacing / sidebar, because I'm not even sure I notice it
  38 * stormy was thinking of a beer stein that says (GNOME Foot) + Beer = GUADEC
  39 <andreasn> stormy, :)
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  41 <andreasn> there is a entry saying "Promote this store" in the sidebar, and currently it won't fit
  42  but it's mainly about having things looking finished and professional
  43 <stormy> And the search box is pretty tight.
  44 <andreasn> but I'm ready to trade that perfection for getting something out now
  45 <stormy> +1
  46 <pcutler> ok.  I'll add the header request and follow up with daniel personally as well
  47  how does everyone feel about setting a goal of feb 1 to launch the store?
  48 <Shayon> is there something like Promote store which helps in promoting GNOME ? if i am not mistaken
  49 <andreasn> pcutler, sounds like a plan!
  50  shaunm Shayon
  51 <pcutler> Shayon: the promote link in the store gives people the URL to share with friends, and a a widget that can be embedded in the store
  52  any other questions or feedback on the GNOME store before we move on?
  53 <fagan_> nope
  54 <Shayon> so IMO the name should be something like Share 
  55 <sri> looks good to me.
  56 <Shayon> cause Promotion inside a Promotion is something not OK
  57  :)
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  59 <pcutler> Next:  Friends of GNOME
  60  We have two goals with FoG - we want to do a campaign to hire a Sysadmin and we have a goal of 10 new subs a month
  61 <stormy> I think we are mostly ready to launch the sys admin campaign. 
  62  Banner is ready.
  63  Campaign is almost met for that matter.
  64  I'm not quite sure what held it up from launching in December ...
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  66 <pcutler> For the Sysadmin campaign, we need help or a volunteer with git access to update gnome.org with some new copy and a thermometer widget to show progress
  67  donation ruler
  68  stormy: mostly just having someone volunteer to commit the donation ruler and update the web pages
  69 <stormy> Can someone here help?
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  71 <pcutler> if nobody here is comfortable doing it, I'll take a to-do to email the list with the request too
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  73 <stormy> For the goal of 10 new subs a month ... we set the goal but never set any tactics for getting there.
  74 <valessio> I think the campaign to sysadmin can also explore a viral marketing. Send email to all lists gnome, simulating a spam we need a sysadmin.
  75  with link to donation
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  77 * fagan hates his connection
  78 <stormy> There's been a few other ideas too:
  79 <sri> what's the blurb for sysadmin?
  80 <stormy> Like somehow tracking who referred someone and giving credit or travel sponsorship to the person that referred the most.
  81  Bundling in other benefits.
  82  The most concrete of those has been LWN membership.
  83  But we could explore other benefits or discounts we could bundle in as well.
  84 <jbrockmeier> stormy: we should see about doing a dual-partnership with LF
  85 <stormy> But mostly it comes down to getting the word out, so the lists might be he best way.
  86  jbrockmeier, agreed
  87 <jbrockmeier> not sure how hard that is, accounting & tax-wise
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  89 <jbrockmeier> stormy: and maybe Linux Pro Magazine would be willing to give something to new FOG
  90 <pcutler> not that we need an answer right now, but I'd really love to see someone volunteer to help actively lead or manage the Friends of GNOME program - Jaap's done a ton of work with the webpages, but maybe someone can help lead a brainstorming discussion or reaching out to a partner like LF
  91 <jbrockmeier> pcutler: not volunteering for leadership, but I can reach out to LF
  92 <pcutler> jbrockmeier: sounds good  :)
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  94 <jbrockmeier> do we have any idea how many people are seeing the call for FoG right now?
  95 <stormy> Are people interested in a campaign where people get credit for referring people? Or would they rather not ask people?
  96 <jbrockmeier> I suspect a large percentage of GNOME users never or only very rarely visit the GNOME home page.
  97 <stormy> Also, note that 95% of Friends of GNOME givers are users, not developers.
  98  (Also note that hopefully our Google Grant would help with this.)
  99  We could also add a Friends of GNOME link/badge to all our product pages if peopl were willing.
 100  And the support forums.
 101 <yippi> I think giving credit for people who refer others is a good idea
 102 <andreasn> and perhaps encourage more people to add a badge to their blog posts, like j5 does
 103 <glunardi> Stormy, have we put consideration into using the Facebook integrated "Causes" application? 'get credit for referring people' and all that is already integrated there.
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 105 <stormy> I forget the detail but you had to go through their payment collector to give credit within Facebook.
 106 <glunardi> They use http://www.networkforgood.org if I am not mistaken. Just a thought. Doesn't get much more viral than Facebook (today at least)
 107 <stormy> I'm a bit skeptical just because I read a couple of articles about how nonprofits on Facebook dont' really make much money.
 108  But that said, we'll take donations in any form they come in. They just won't be monthly subscribers if through networkforgood.
 109 <glunardi> They can
 110  Monthly donations are supported already for the Support GNOME cause that's already there.
 111 <stormy> ok, sorry, we'd just have to make sure we tracked them appropriately
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 113 <yippi> We should do more to target end users
 114 <glunardi> no sorry accepted :-) (no need!). I didn't know that page existed 5 minutes ago... Just a thought
 115 <fagan_> how about adding a donate button to the about gnome thing
 116  it has friends of gnome on it already but donate is a lot more obvious
 117  fagan fagan_
 118 <pcutler> fagan_: jclinton couldn't make the meeting, but he has some great ideas around that and has committed to creating a mockup
 119 <yippi> +1 for adding donation buttons to gnome app about
 120 <jclinton> a crap
 121  i was on the phone
 122  i'm here
 123  s/a/ah
 124 <pcutler> did not know I had a summoning power, cool
 125 <jbrockmeier> pcutler: use it for good only
 126 <pcutler> _ke (daniel siegel) also has a similar idea, and wants to tie it to referrals too
 127 <valessio> + add button gnome app about
 128 <jclinton> so, we discussed extending the existing about dialog to have both a Friends of GNOME button and a button for GNOME.org
 129  this would be a subclass/extension of the existing about dialog
 130  so a patch to GTK that I was supposed to write would be proposed and incorporated so we aren't copying this code around
 131  during 'make distcheck' for a module, the list of donors for the past $time would be pulled in to the tarbal and included in the dialog in the shipping program
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 133 <diegoe> sounds like a good idea
 134 <jclinton> So, below the two buttons you would see, "The following people were inspired to donate to Friends of GNOME:"
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 136 <jclinton> and then a scrollable text field with the names
 137  in the case of a module with no referrals recorded, the text field would show a random sampling from the global donation list
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 139 <jclinton> anyways, I need to propose this to the gtk-devel list and the release-team before we can settle on it
 140  does anyone have any additional input with regard to this proposal?
 141 <fagan_> nope
 142 <pcutler> jclinton: are you still open to making a mockup of this and introducing it on d-d-l?  I don't think we're going to get anything in for 2.30, but if we coulud introduce this or call for feedback by feb 15th or the end of feb?
 143 <jclinton> pcutler, yes, but only after approval from release-team
 144  pcutler, to avoid too much bike-shedding
 145 <jclinton> or at least a "seems okay to me" from release-team
 146 <pcutler> gotcha - is there any help you need with the r-t or you ok emailing them to discuss?
 147 <jclinton> I can email them; should be fine
 148  I will CC the marketing list
 149  so anyone from marketing can chime in
 150  diegoe, any technical suggestions with regard to the method?
 151 <pcutler> great.  There's a lot more we could probably talk about in regards to the Friends program, but for the sake of time I'd like to keep the meeting moving.  Anyone want to volunteer to email the list or creating a wiki page to keep brainstorming ideas or goals to get to 10 subsribers a month?
 152 <stormy> I'll do it if a couple of people promise to read and contribute replies. :)
 153 * pcutler promises
 154 * glunardi promises
 155  fagan_ promises 
 156 <stormy> thx!
 157 <pcutler> ok, next topic:  Marketing Hackfest this past November
 158  About 10 of us got together this past Nov. in Chicago and spent 2 days working, brainstorming and discussing GNOME marketing efforts
 159 <Shayon> IMO brainstorming should be performed in a different way . SO to get a maxixmum output :)
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 161 * fagan_ appologises for not going
 162 <pcutler> We got a ton done, but one area that we haven't done well is getting some of the materials posted on the wiki, getting feedback on them, and probably most important, finishing them
 163  This includes conference materials, such presentations, FAQs for presenters / people hosting GNOME booths and more
 164 <jclinton> yes, i wanted to bring up that I distictly remember volunteering to do a number of slides but I'm not sure which
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 166 <bharatkapoor> My apologies guys - I just lost track (not a good excuse for a first time joiner)
 167 <stormy> jclinton: me too
 168 <pcutler> bharatkapoor: no worries, thanks for coming
 169  yeah, me too
 170 <bharatkapoor> If we have time I would like to discuss my proposal for Gnome 3 release
 171 <stormy> I did use the template in my last couple of presentation and it went well.
 172  But we still need to make it a template. (As opposed to a presentation with sample slides.)
 173 <pcutler> so I touched base with stormy, and I'll take a to-do to get all of the information posted on the wiki and send an email to the list for a call for review, and then we need to assign a date to try and finish things, such as the FAQ
 174 <fagan_> bharatkapoor: its coming up could you wait for a few minutes
 175 <bharatkapoor> absolutely
 176 <pcutler> and I did want to say that I thought the 2 days went really well - we got a lot done, we just need to recap it better and finish it off (and a big thanks to novell and google for the sponsorship)
 177 <jclinton> I remember volunteering to do the slides on 3.0 and GNOME Shell
 178  I thought we wrote that list down somewhere
 179 <stormy> jclinton: if we wrote it down, I have it
 180 <jclinton> ok, cool
 181 <glunardi> pcutler, stormy, do you need someone to volunteer making a slides template? I will
 182 <pcutler> i'll work with stormy and get all of this stuff done
 183 <stormy> if it's not in the materials pculter publishes, I"ll find it.
 184 <pcutler> glunardi: that's actually one thing we got 100% done, thanks to vinicius
 185 <glunardi> vinicius, that's great! 
 186 <stormy> glunardi, thx, we have the slides and look and feel just not in the template format
 187 <jclinton> i can do that
 188 <stormy> jclinton, thx. I can email you what vinicius did
 189 <jclinton> great
 190 * jclinton looks at pculter
 191 <glunardi> jclinton, let me know if I can help you. Will be happy to review the otp
 192 <jclinton> glunardi, okay
 193 <pcutler> jclinton: one thing I need your help with is the video proposal
 194  one of the things we discussed was doing a series of short videos about GNOME 3.0
 195 <jclinton> pcutler, yea, we need to get that started by no later than April
 196 <pcutler> jclinton: i think sooner - i think storyboarding and scripting them will take us longer than we think it will
 197 <fagan_> pcutler: who has the best accent for talking on the videos
 198 <jclinton> we were thinking this would be a "video hackfest" to get the videos fleshed out
 199 <Shayon> well i guess i can contribute my two cents here
 200 <valessio> I can help in the production of videos. I use Synfig Animation 2D, Inkscape, Gimp and Kdenlive..
 201 <jclinton> which would be the storyboarding that pcutler just said plus possibly recording some people against a green screen
 202 <Shayon> :) - as i created one for openSUSE 11.2
 203 <pcutler> I'd like to recommend that we recap our ideas from the hackfest to the mailing list and get feedback and starting capturing next steps / action items
 204  valessio: awesome!
 205 <jimmac> it took a lot more effort than I thought to put up a single screencast for susestudio
 206 <Shayon> valessio : yeah ! exactly 
 207 <jclinton> Re: recapping. I specifically held off due to the "big splash" of the announcement of the launch theme.
 208 <Shayon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy0nU2O5nUM
 209 <pcutler> jclinton: ah, yes
 210 <jclinton> If we are ready to announce the launch theme, then I think we can go ahead and do that. I can't think of any reason to hold back except to perhaps make it a little more of a big deal with some materials.
 211 <pcutler> ok, let's do this then:  Let me put together an email to the marketing list about the GNOME 3.0 campaign theme, and then we can do the video discussion
 212 <jclinton> Well, quickly, does anyone want to help make a splash about the theme?
 213 <jclinton> pcutler, and do we want to mention our marketing strategy in the same email?
 214 <pcutler> yes
 215  i'm not trying to keep some big secret, but I want to keep the meeting going, and advertisign campaigns can be a bit subjective / opionated
 216 <jclinton> Ok, lets circulate that email privately among the hackfest attendees so that we can make sure that we remembered everything we agreed on.
 217  And then we can annouce it.
 218  I think it's safe to let everyone in on the theme here, now.
 219 <pcutler> jclinton: go for it
 220 <bharatkapoor> Guys I may ask some baasic question (will take a while to get full speed) - (as Shayon) indicated YouTube - Do we have a Gnome Channel on YouTube 
 221 * fagan_ promises not to tell :)
 222 <pcutler> bharatkapoor: no, but we have one on Miro I believe
 223 <jclinton> So, the 3.0 launch theme is "Made of Easy."
 224  ... or possiblye with a lower-case "e".
 225  Anyone immediately hate it?
 226 <fagan_> A little
 227 <bharatkapoor> what does that signify 
 228 <pcutler> a play on the "made of win" meme focusing on the ways the GNOME desktop makes it easy to use your computer
 229 <SEJeff> pcutler, Thats a great idea
 230 <jclinton> and specifically attacking the "made of fail" variant on that mem
 231  meme*
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 233 <pcutler> i don't want to get into a ton of bikeshedding right now, but we did discuss the previous 3 campaign ideas from last summer (http://live.gnome.org/GnomeThreeBrainstorming) as well
 234 <jclinton> So, the videos, with the right cake-walk, would cycle through little variations on "Made of ______"
 235  ending with "Made of easy."
 236 <fagan_> Ok now it sounds good 
 237 <jclinton> Anyway, so now you're all in the secret cabal.
 238  Ok, next topic?
 239 <jclinton> pcutler, you will draft and circulate privately?
 240 <pcutler> jclinton: yes
 241 <jclinton> Ok.
 242 <pcutler> marina: did you want to discuss the Women's Outreach Program?
 243 <marina> pcutler: yes, if that's next on agenda
 244 <pcutler> it is!
 245 <marina> so we have two pages: one with the program overview and one for making the donations
 246  http://projects.gnome.org/outreach/women/
 247  http://projects.gnome.org/outreach/women/step2.html
 248 <Shayon> Time to leave ( its already morning here ) see you all :D . Had a great time !
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 251 <marina> these are world-facing pages, in addition to the wiki brainstorming page
 252  we had Peter Brown from FSF blog about the program in the FSF blog in a hope to bring some donations in, but none followed
 253  http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/women-in-gnome-in-free-software
 254  we got  spike in clicks, but there were just a couple dozen clicks for a couple days
 255  so we basically need to launch the program ourselves
 256 <jclinton> What if we offer FoG donators the option of earmarking their money for WOP?
 257 <stormy> We could also do an adwords campaign ...
 258 <marina> jclinton: this was one of the initial ideas, but then we decided to not over-complicate the FoG page with even more options
 259 <fagan_> jclinton: that sounds good to me
 260 <jclinton> An adwords campaign sounds great to me.
 261 <yippi> You'ld think the gnome community would make it easier to earmark donations for all sorts of things
 262 <stormy> (And if anyone has experience with adwords campaigns, I could use help. Otherwise the GNOME campaigns will grow as I get experience ...)
 263 <jclinton> What would it say, "Support women in open source and GNOME?"
 264 <pcutler> my only concern with earmarking is where does it start and stop
 265 <stormy> If we do lots of earmarks, I want some very good wording, viewed by our attorney, that we can use it for other stuff.
 266  I've heard nightmares from other nonprofits about funds they can't use.
 267 <yippi> Tracking the money gets a lot harder the more people earmark
 268 <jclinton> I'm withdrawing the earmarks proposal.
 269 <sumanah> Yeah, fungible money is a lot more useful.
 270 <stormy> We have a comments section now that we dont do much with.
 271  We could change it into a little poll or something where people could vote for the things they liked or wanted focus on.
 272 <marina> jclinton: we need to use "free software" instead of "open source" if we want this effort to keep being associated with FSF
 273 <jclinton> marina, okay, but otherwise the text would catch you?
 274 <marina> jclinton: yeah, I think "Support women in free software and GNOME" or "Support women participation in free software and GNOME" sound good
 275 <yippi> I like giving donators some feeling of control where the money goes.  A nonbinding vote could work well 
 276 <valessio> "Support women in free software and GNOME
 277 <marina> stormy: having a poll sounds fine, if we are basically willing to dedicate a portion of the FoG money to the program
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 279 <stormy> The ad doesn't have to say GNOME but we can still key off the GNOME search term.
 280  Or vice versa. Key off free/open source software and say GNOME
 281 <marina> it also feels like an initiative that can make more sense for sponsorship from companies
 282 <stormy> I can approach companies
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 284 <marina> so I think the question is do we want to make any changes to the donation process before blogging about the initiative on planet.gnome.org ?
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 286 <pcutler> I'm unclear on what changes to the donation process are being proposed?
 287 <bharatkapoor> A suggestion from being on the company side for a long time - if we can create a list of various divisions inside a every company that we work with - that could open additional sponsorship opportunities, and we could solicit them at various points o ftime in the year for different initiatives
 288 <marina> i.e. do we want to remove a dedicated page and link to the FoG page that has a poll where people can choose Support women participation in GNOME
 289 <pcutler> or should we just add text below the donate button on http://projects.gnome.org/outreach/women/ to ask them to add a comment "Donated for Womens Outreach Prgoram"
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 291 <stormy> marina, no, I'm ok with the dedicated page
 292 <jclinton> Sorry, guys. I have to leave; late for a family/vacation event.
 293 <stormy> I think it's easy to keep track of one program
 294 <pcutler> jclinton: thanks for coming
 295 <jclinton> Later all. And thank you.
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 297 <stormy> pculter, we have a dedicated email address for the women's outreach program that tracks those donations
 298 <marina> pcutler: that doesn't have any advantage over a dedicated page that has already been set up
 299 <stormy> But if we want to give the ability on the main FOG page to donate to Women's Outreach, then we need to do something differently
 300 <jbrockmeier> bharatkapoor: I can't say that would work with my company, and would probably annoy ppl :-)
 301 <marina> stormy / pcutler : the advantage of the poll thing on FoG page is that more people who just generally want to donate to GNOME might pick that option, because it makes it more mainstream AND people directed from the outreach page would feel like they are contributing to GNOME in general
 302 <stormy> I agree, we can add the poll too. But I'd say keep the dedicated page as well.
 303  We can probably (speaking for someone else here) track what they voted for with the size of their donation too.
 304  So we could earmark the money if we wanted to but we wouldn't have to.
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 307 <stormy> marina, are you going to blog on Planet?
 308 <pcutler> ok, I'll roll up part of this discussion into the Friends of GNOME discussion from above
 309  maybe we can ask Jaap to look into how we can set up the poll or pre-populate the donate page 
 310 <marina> stormy: I  was going to, if we think the donations page is sufficient as is 
 311 <stormy> I think we are good to go!
 312 <pcutler> anything else before we move on?
 313  ok
 314  bharatkapoor: you wanted to talk about GNOME 3?
 315 <marina> stormy: ok, would you blog too then?
 316 <stormy> yep
 317 <marina> cool! thanks! I will probably e-mail you my blog post for feedback this weekend before posting it
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 319 <bharatkapoor> yes
 320  I had discussed with Stormy and the folks at the Chicago meeting if we could possibly do multiple launch parties for Gnome 3
 321  One central one with key folks and stream the presentation to various remote location - mostly company campuses or univ campuses
 322  Posted a tentative proposal @ http://live.gnome.org/Gnome%203%20Release%20Splash
 323  Wanted to knwo what doe sthe team think and if we can pull it off - would a neat PR exercise as well as a chance for us to expand our base among students
 324 <stormy> Ubuntu does a lot of parties like this.
 325  Do you think someone from Canonical could help to?
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 327 <fagan> ill ask if you want stormy 
 328 <bharatkapoor> We could try to partner with some of our partners who could give out some freebees, use it as a recruiting event and have a few PCs with Gnome 3 on it for people to play
 329 <stormy> thanks, fagan
 330 <bharatkapoor> stormy: cannonical - Yes that could be nice
 331 <pcutler> bharatkapoor: is your idea that GNOME hosts a launch presentation that we stream live to all these host parties?
 332 <stormy> bharatkapoor, not just as a partner with giveaways but as people with a lot of experience running these parties.
 333 <bharatkapoor> I wa even thinking involving Intel, HP and DEll since they all have stake in the Linux because of per installed Linux pcs
 334  yes
 335 <fagan> we should ask fedora folks and novell too 
 336 <bharatkapoor> to help with organization
 337 <pcutler> yeah, I like the idea - if you could have core developers do a 5 minute demo of Shell or Activity Journal, or even a live Q&A via IRC or something
 338 <bharatkapoor> Basically any help we can get would be wonderful - and most of these firms have a greater infrastructure for pulling off such parties 
 339 <fagan> pcutler: the live qa thing is like what mark shuttleworth does after each release 
 340 <pcutler> one idea would be to (break tradition) and move the Boston Summit up 2 weeks to coincide with this
 341 <bharatkapoor> pcutler: I was thinking on terms or maybe a 15 mins splash of Gnome 3 followed by Core Developers - maybe a 30 mins to an hour event where everyone gets a feed from our central launch place 
 342 <pcutler> or expand the summit by a day, I dunno, just thinking out loud
 343 <bharatkapoor> pcutler: I like conincide with Boston Summit idea - we will have a decent captive audicence and could leverage resources from there
 344 <stormy> pcutler - I think that's an issue with the Boston Summit venue
 345 <stormy> We could host the party two weeks after official release though
 346 <pcutler> yeah, but I'd worry about how much momentum we'd lose with the press
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 348 <pcutler> in a perfect world we'd want it at launch to maximize tech journals coverage, in my opinion
 349 <sri> two week might be a bit too long.
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 351 <sri> 1 week seems appropriate.
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 353 <sri> give everyone a rest after all that committing. :)
 354 <bharatkapoor> I would love the party to coincide with the release if possible - possibly an evening start 6 or 7 pm release (what do u guys think) - its generally a free time at univs too - thatw e want to target
 355 <sri> I have a question after you are done with the agenda.
 356 <fagan> 7pm seems ok
 357 <bharatkapoor> is there a reason we can push gnome launch to coincide with Boston Summit dates
 358 <pcutler> bharatkapoor: I doubt the release team wants to deviate from the schedule
 359 <bharatkapoor> my whole agenda behind this initiative is to get as much press as possible and as much visibility to non-Gnome, non-Linux  folks
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 361 <pcutler> ok, we should continue to discuss this on the mailing list and talk to the release team
 362 <fagan> I agree
 363 <pcutler> last item - I think this was productive, one of my big things is to keep the momentum going and see if we can't put some dates around these action items
 364 <bharatkapoor> Ok so deal with the dates part via mail
 365 <pcutler> if you have feedback about the meeting, I'd love to hear about it and a quick poll - would people be interested in doing this monthly?  or recommend a different frequency?
 366 <sri> monthly
 367 <bharatkapoor> How do we solicit partners and students at Univs - if u all think its a cool idea - i'll need some volunteers for idea and feed on the twiki site
 368 <sri> as you get closer to gnome 3.0 probably want to meet more often
 369 <andreasn> pcutler, once a month is a good idea I think
 370 <bharatkapoor> And possibly partners at Firms who we should start to workw ith starting now 
 371 <fagan> Id say monthly for now but 2 months before we should have the biweekly 
 372 <pcutler> bharatkapoor: we'll have to leverage the community for contacts and experience doing this
 373 <sri> pcutler: did you talk about gnome journal?  
 374 <yippi> I like monthly or maybe biweekly if there's a lot to do
 375 <pcutler> ok, I will send out a Doodle link (and try and figure out why it didn't do timezone) in a week, and give everyone 10 days to respond, so we can nail down the time / date 10 days before the meeting
 376  sri: no, forgot
 377 <sri> btw this day and time is good with me.  
 378 <stormy> why don't we pick day/time that works well for the next one and make it standard
 379 <pcutler> i didn't have anything about GJ
 380  stormy: one piece of feedback I got was to rotate too because of timezones... not sure which way is the right way to go
 381 <fagan> 20UTC should be good for everyone
 382 <sri> pcutler: youre agenda had it.
 383  pcutler: youre agenda had it.
 384 <sri> aack.. your not youre
 385  stupid lag.
 386 <fagan> 20.00UTC I mean 
 387 <pcutler> sri: yeah, I don't remember adding it or what I wanted to talk about (other than we're always looking for writers / editors and article ideas for GNOME Journal!)
 388 <sri> 22:00.. 20:00 is not good.
 389 <sri> pcutler: perhpas you wanted gnome 3.0 related articles?
 390 <fagan> 22.00 is very late for europe
 391 <sri> 19:00 UTC?
 392 <pcutler> anyway, we'll cover this in the meeting minutes and I'll ask for feedback
 393 <fagan> fine with me 
 394 <pcutler> sri: what did you want to talk about?
 395 <sri> it's lunch time for PDT (west coast, US)
 396 * stormy has to leave. Thanks everyone! Thanks, Paul!
 397 <pcutler> thanks for coming stormy
 398 <fagan> Oh can I get some feedback about my blog post about Gnome 3 
 399 <sri> pcutler: oy I don't have anything.. I was just giving you ideas on why you wanted ot talk about gnome journal.
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 401 <fagan> http://shanefagan.com/2010/01/14/debunking-the-gnome-3-myths/ the password is gnome0
 402 <pcutler> ok, thanks  :)
 403  anyone else have anything they wanted to discuss?
 404 <sri> btw, I have had one request to come to a conference to talk about gnome 3.0
 405  northwest linux conference I think is one of them.
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 407 <fagan> Im free to do some talking if needed 
 408 <sri> we probably want to watch these conferences and schedule gnome 3.0 talks
 409  kind of get a drumbeat going.
 410 <fagan> I think we should go to as many as possable 
 411  Anything linux/open source releated 
 412 <sri> IMHO the small ones like the ohio linuxfest and what are the ones to target.
 413 <fagan> Oh and on release day we should hit twitter with tweets about gnome 3 
 414  We did it for the last release of ubuntu and got a load of extra people listening 
 415 <andreasn> time to head to bed, almost 01:00 here. Thanks for a good meeting everyone!
 416 <valessio> :)
 417 <sri> goodnight, andreasn :)
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 420 <fagan> I got lagged out
 421 <bharatkapoor> take care guys - good night
 422 <fagan> Any thoughts on the twitter idea or my blog post 
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 424 <yippi> Night
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 430 <fagan> pcutler: I asked jono bacon about the parties idea and he said blog about it and ask on the loco teams mailing list for help, thats how we can get ubuntu help
 431 <fagan> is there a gnome users mailing list that we can use to get the word out to non-ubuntu gnome users?
 432  And is there a fedora or suse community manager I can ask too?
 433 <pcutler> fagan: jbrockmeier is the opensuse community mgr
 434  not sure who is Fedora