--> You are now talking on #docs morning folks Good evening :) morning hello! hey hey hey shall we get started? we shall yep, don't think phil will make it on time... ok so the only thing on the agenda is planning big task... do we have an idea if 2.30 will be 3.0? does anybody have anything else they want to talk about? that will change a lot our planning, I think... I'm doubtful, but i have no basis in fact yet, still waiting on the release team even Owen recommended Shell is not ready yeah my feeling is that 2.30 won't be 3.0 none of the team reports I've seen were pushing for it we are probably safe so... at least for the 2.30 release so I think we need to decide on which documents to tackle feature freeze isn't until Jan 25 would it be worthwhile, as a sort of team-building exercise, to tackle smaller documents that we don't anticipate changing much? for the next month or two gnome-games, character map, calculator, etc yeah, that would be a good exercise gnome-games in general or some specifi games? well, we could ask which ones are the most stable 6 months ago I was reviewing bugzilla for docs bugs - gnome-games has a lot open, and with everything changing in gnome-games, probably all of them need to be touched a couple of game manuals are not really that easy even to read... I know there's plans to redo some of them in clutter * pcutler_ opens a Wave for meeting minutes but then, a clutter rewrite probably won't change the gameplay much, if any, so I don't know that it would invalidate anything but the screenshots we can work on tetravex started by Mario and expand on that of he agrees yes it should be easy and short oh cool, I've never seen live editing in wave before this way I won't put off minutes for days on end mystic experience... try to do that with four people waving :) well, should we just do a planning session for one right now? sure shaunm: if you / we decide on a game, can you share your thoughts on help for games? I remember you saying something about gameplay vs strategy or something like that all right, so games in general swoop: do you have a google wave account? so I think most of the topics in the empathy help can be divided into tasks, problems, and concepts pcutler_: no is that a requirement? swoop: not at all, was just curious pcutler_: hehe ok and that's going to be pretty common but I don't think there's a lot of discernible tasks for games task "I want to win this game" yeah, rumor is Wave Federation is close to launching, I'd like to see GNOME host a Wave server, but anyway, back on track so, "Introduction" is a common page for any application help for a game, I think Introduction should give you the basic gameplay and winning conditions so maybe the Introduction page should be called "Gameplay" that's one page a separate "Strategy" page would be really nice (in some cases, multiple strategy pages might be called for) two pages what about a "Tips & Tricks" section or page? Multiplayer if it's a multiplayer game I'm going to start pushing to add accessibility notes to most of our help documents. I've already talked to Willie Walker about this three pages pcutler_: oh good point wouldn't multyplayer fall under gameplay? i think how to connect another player, start a match, stuff like that is different I wouldn't be suprised if over time we see more multiplayer games with tubes yeah... sure right, so that's kind of a basic framework. I think to go further, you have to start talking about specific games some of the games, for instance, have multiple actual games in them where gameplay and strategy could be completely different notably, aisleriot yup brb shaunm, what about the accessibility notes? how will we add them? Gwaihir: we'll email the accessibility list and get content from content experts shall we do it for Empathy since we already have its help in place? yes (only if there are things worth mentioning) cool... don't know what to ask them though, since I've never done that before... I'll get it started I'll CC gnome-doc-list what else? this is minor, but we should probably start a wiki page listing all the different mallard documents in progress yeah sigh we have a small table here: http://live.gnome.org/DocumentationProject/Planning pulse, o pulse, where art thou? shaunm: sysadmin team has wrapped up some projects - want to put an email together about pulse requirements? pulse will be precious for us now... pcutler_: I would need to spend at least two weeks hacking on it ok BTW, not related to the games help, but to the user guide, since we need to rewrite it, should we start looking at it and maybe trying to run a survey to understand what people find useful in what we have now and what they would like to see? well, that's the elephant in the room when do we want to get started on that? a lot of what's in it will be determined by gnome-shell then again, with mallard, we don't have to have it put all together before we write pieces of it yeah... I was thinking to start writing something about gnome-shell as is now (I think a face-to-face meeting would be awesome for this) like worspaces, and the activities (yeah... that would be great) those things should be almost "final" (I think... and I hope...) BTW, in the user guide we have things describing windows and the type of windows (application, dialog), are those concepts going to change with gnome-shell? I'm not sure. is that content useful? does anybody ever read that and say "oh, that's a *dialog* window! oh man, that totally changes the way I click the OK button" that's why I wanted to run a survey :) all that sections, for me, are not even read agreed there is still the "drawer" in there... is anybody using it? Gwaihir: do you want to start putting together a survey? oh my, no haha, drawers yeah... I can start looking into it, then we can decide if it's useful to run it accessibility email sent all right so I think with these smaller documents, we have a good opportunity for recruitment we have a pretty clear idea of what content we want in them we should make some noise to get people to come write low-hanging fruit agreed starting to write a blog post about it excellent BTW... how do I get into planet.gnome? Claude wrote me a couple of weeks ago, but don't know if he added me to the planet... Gwaihir: lucas or vuntz need to approve you what did claude say? he asked me if I wanted to be added to planet gnome... and I agreed yeah, i'd recommend you too - I'll follow up with vuntz too. They typically update it every couple of weeks and add a bunch at a time I think oh... cool, thx Gwaihir: maybe forward vuntz and lucasr the email from claude, add your feed link and hackergotchi to the email, that's all they need all right, will do that anything else? not that I can think of not right now "This wave is experiencing some slight turbulence, and may explode. If you don't wanna explode, please re-open the wave. Some recent changes may not be saved." oh em gee :) yeah...it happened to me too... the funnies warning ever :) all right, I'm going to go make pancakes enjoy