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   3 Feb 13 16:56:01 <calum>	testing
   4 Feb 13 16:57:08 ---	calum has changed the topic to: sound-juicer ui-review, starts 1700 UTC today
   5 Feb 13 17:02:36 -->	mccann (~mccann@vbns-dhcp-16.pha.jhu.edu) has joined #ui-review
   6 Feb 13 17:03:04 <mccann>	hi
   7 Feb 13 17:03:24 <calum>	hey, you figured it out then :)
   8 Feb 13 17:03:34 <mccann>	um so far :)
   9 Feb 13 17:03:54 <mccann>	this is my test run
  10 Feb 13 17:04:09 <calum>	could be a quiet one if we're the only two who turn up :)
  11 Feb 13 17:04:32 <mccann>	hopefully at least ross will
  12 Feb 13 17:04:40 <calum>	yeah, just msg'd him but no response yet...
  13 Feb 13 17:05:30 <mccann>	msg is a private conversation, right?
  14 Feb 13 17:06:38 <calum>	right
  15 Feb 13 17:07:30 <mccann>	see I wasn't kidding ;)
  16 Feb 13 17:08:23 <calum>	heh... well, we all had to learn sometime :) do you normally use something other than IRC then, or just keep your head down generally...?
  17 Feb 13 17:09:35 <mccann>	JHU has IRC blocked at the firewall and I never really had much incentive to try to work around it
  18 Feb 13 17:09:54 <calum>	ah...
  19 Feb 13 17:09:55 <mccann>	Right now I've jumped onto a nearby wireless network
  20 Feb 13 17:10:17 -->	ross (~ross@althur.gotadsl.co.uk) has joined #ui-review
  21 Feb 13 17:10:21 <ross>	right here i am
  22 Feb 13 17:10:50 <mccann>	hey ross
  23 Feb 13 17:11:19 <ross>	hi mccann , calum 
  24 Feb 13 17:11:46 <calum>	hi ross ... not a great turnout I'm afraid :/
  25 Feb 13 17:11:58 <ross>	so i see
  26 Feb 13 17:12:08 <ross>	obviously SJ is perfect
  27 Feb 13 17:12:10 <ross>	night all then :)
  28 Feb 13 17:12:26 <mccann>	particularly since I'm mostly observing
  29 Feb 13 17:12:53 <calum>	yeah... and I don't have an audio CD handy, so I can't tell what it looks like when it's doing anything useful :)
  30 Feb 13 17:13:04 <ross>	haha
  31 Feb 13 17:13:12 *	ross finds a CD
  32 Feb 13 17:13:44 *	calum scouts round the office for one
  33 Feb 13 17:13:50 <ross>	oh typical, a cd not in musicbrainz
  34 Feb 13 17:13:56 <calum>	hehe
  35 Feb 13 17:14:31 <calum>	ross: any chance you could put up some screenshots of it in action, then?
  36 Feb 13 17:14:45 <ross>	just doing that now
  37 Feb 13 17:14:51 <ross>	in process, found a bug :)
  38 Feb 13 17:14:59 <calum>	cool :)
  39 Feb 13 17:15:28 *	calum finds an unlabelled CD, but it turns out to be a Solaris install disc
  40 Feb 13 17:16:21 <ross>	grr, the only CDs in this room are singles
  41 Feb 13 17:16:24 <ross>	none of which are known by SJ
  42 Feb 13 17:16:26 <ross>	ah well
  43 Feb 13 17:16:47 <calum>	d'oh
  44 Feb 13 17:17:15 *	ross wonders where printscreen is on apple keyboard
  45 Feb 13 17:17:42 <calum>	heh, I have it bound to Shift+f7 cos there's a picture of a screen on that one :)
  46 Feb 13 17:18:13 <calum>	(on my Powerbook at least...)
  47 Feb 13 17:20:31 <mccann>	i found a cd
  48 Feb 13 17:20:35 <ross>	right, burtonini.com/temp/sj-*.png
  49 Feb 13 17:20:44 <calum>	w00t :)
  50 Feb 13 17:20:45 <ross>	sorry for delay, had to stop a puppy eating my skirting board
  51 Feb 13 17:20:57 <mccann>	i suppose if no one is looking i can post an iso
  52 Feb 13 17:21:45 <calum>	heh
  53 Feb 13 17:22:20 <calum>	ok, so, looks like this is all we're going to get so we might as well get cracking...
  54 Feb 13 17:22:51 <calum>	might as well start with http://burtonini.com/temp/sj-main.png
  55 Feb 13 17:23:07 <ross>	that is after i inserted a CD
  56 Feb 13 17:23:16 <calum>	right
  57 Feb 13 17:23:59 <calum>	so, I guess one question that springs to mind is... what if I decide it's the wrong CD, where do I go to eject it?  would an eject button be useful?
  58 Feb 13 17:24:17 <ross>	eject is Disc->Eject, or the button on the drivee
  59 Feb 13 17:24:18 <calum>	(I see there's a menu item, so maybe not...)
  60 Feb 13 17:24:45 <calum>	yeah... ok, I guess that's more of a feature than a HIG thing anyway, so we'll quickly gloss over that :)
  61 Feb 13 17:25:06 <calum>	the text fields at the top, they look editable, are they?
  62 Feb 13 17:25:22 <ross>	yes
  63 Feb 13 17:25:31 <ross>	only duration isn't
  64 Feb 13 17:26:06 <calum>	is that just so you can edit the info and it'll remember next time you put the same CD in?
  65 Feb 13 17:26:20 <ross>	no, its so that you can fix the metadata
  66 Feb 13 17:26:26 <ross>	persistant storage isn't done yet
  67 Feb 13 17:26:34 <ross>	in this case i'd actually set it to something useful
  68 Feb 13 17:26:41 <ross>	for the vorbis comments etc
  69 Feb 13 17:26:56 <calum>	d'oh... yes, of course, makes sense
  70 Feb 13 17:27:08 *	calum was still in player mode, forgot we were about to rip :)
  71 Feb 13 17:27:37 <ross>	and SJ only got player mode in the latest release as well
  72 Feb 13 17:27:51 <calum>	yeah :)  so, since they're editable, the field labels probably ought to have mnemonics...
  73 Feb 13 17:27:59 -->	sgarrit1 (~steven@rind.silverorange.com) has joined #ui-review
  74 Feb 13 17:28:04 <ross>	yeah good point
  75 Feb 13 17:28:19 <calum>	hi sgarrit1 ... we're looking at http://burtonini.com/temp/sj-main.png
  76 Feb 13 17:28:30 <sgarrit1>	thanks
  77 Feb 13 17:28:43 <sgarrit1>	I'm mostly curious about the UI Review process, so I'll primarily be lurking
  78 Feb 13 17:28:47 -->	joachim-n (~joachim@ACD4AE77.ipt.aol.com) has joined #ui-review
  79 Feb 13 17:29:05 <calum>	ross: not sure bold is strictly necessary either, but I guess I can live with that :)
  80 Feb 13 17:29:17 <calum>	ross: does look a bit better on the duration field, I guess
  81 Feb 13 17:29:30 ---	calum has changed the topic to: Currently reviewing: http://burtonini.com/temp/sj-main.png
  82 Feb 13 17:29:58 <ross>	i've added a UI review section to live.gnome.org/SoundJuicer in case i miss anything
  83 Feb 13 17:30:10 <calum>	cool... I'm logging the IRC session too
  84 Feb 13 17:30:44 <sgarrit1>	not sure if this is pertinent (and might just be a theme thing), but why doesn't the window have a resize gripper in the bottom right corner?
  85 Feb 13 17:31:11 <calum>	yeah, it does on mine, think it must be the theme
  86 Feb 13 17:31:17 <sgarrit1>	cool
  87 Feb 13 17:31:27 <ross>	calum: what version?
  88 Feb 13 17:31:33 <joachim-n>	what's the dark rectangle bottom left? it looks like it's a little too high
  89 Feb 13 17:31:39 <calum>	ross: 2.13.4
  90 Feb 13 17:31:54 <sgarrit1>	joachim-n: that's an empty progress-bar (right?)
  91 Feb 13 17:31:57 <ross>	calum: cool, theme issue. just checked gthumb doesnt have one for me either
  92 Feb 13 17:32:01 <ross>	yeah, thats the progress bar
  93 Feb 13 17:32:09 <ross>	i think we're finding a few clearlooks-cairo bugs here
  94 Feb 13 17:32:14 <sgarrit1>	yup
  95 Feb 13 17:32:16 <calum>	ross: although I can't actually resize the window until (presumably) I put a CD in... is that intentional?
  96 Feb 13 17:32:16 *	ross phews at asleep puppy
  97 Feb 13 17:32:26 <ross>	calum: you cant? weird
  98 Feb 13 17:32:28 *	ross tries
  99 Feb 13 17:32:35 <joachim-n>	when getting track names, does it use the settings in the CD Database preference tool?
 100 Feb 13 17:32:36 <calum>	ross: oh hang on, it's working now... ignore me...
 101 Feb 13 17:32:55 <ross>	joachim-n: no, it uses musicbrainz instead. freedb is pants.  it uses the gnomevfs proxy settings though
 102 Feb 13 17:33:12 <joachim-n>	but that prefs tool claims to be system-wide
 103 Feb 13 17:33:20 <ross>	but its pants
 104 Feb 13 17:33:28 <ross>	and gnome-cd is dying soon, which is the only thing that uses it :)
 105 Feb 13 17:33:42 <ross>	seriously, metadata from there is broken in so many ways
 106 Feb 13 17:33:43 <sgarrit1>	yeah, that should really die (the CD db pref)
 107 Feb 13 17:33:57 <joachim-n>	good thing I've not updated the docs for it then!
 108 Feb 13 17:34:00 <calum>	heh
 109 Feb 13 17:34:23 <joachim-n>	what do I put in the docs then -- 'Don't use this, it's pants'?
 110 Feb 13 17:34:44 <ross>	just say that its only used by gnome-cd
 111 Feb 13 17:34:52 <ross>	totem doesn't use it either
 112 Feb 13 17:36:58 *	calum bears this in mind for the next JDS release too :)
 113 Feb 13 17:37:32 <calum>	anyway, back to the screenshots if we may :)
 114 Feb 13 17:37:51 <ross>	i was considering putting a Date: field next to Genre
 115 Feb 13 17:37:55 <ross>	as people seem to want that a lot
 116 Feb 13 17:38:10 <sgarrit1>	and genre doesn't need to be that wide (right?)
 117 Feb 13 17:38:15 <ross>	yeah
 118 Feb 13 17:38:20 <calum>	ross: date, or just year?
 119 Feb 13 17:38:27 <ross>	note that genre is a auto-completing combo
 120 Feb 13 17:38:29 <sgarrit1>	if you don't put a date, you could also put the duration up there
 121 Feb 13 17:38:56 <ross>	Ogg handles down to the day, and musicbrainz gives me day info
 122 Feb 13 17:38:57 <sgarrit1>	to the right of genre - which would also sort-of line it up with the Duration in the track list below
 123 Feb 13 17:39:09 <calum>	ross: ok
 124 Feb 13 17:39:12 *	calum thinks duration might be better in the status bar, dunno why though
 125 Feb 13 17:39:49 <sgarrit1>	in the right of the status bar would sorta/kinda line up with the Duration in the track list too
 126 Feb 13 17:39:55 <calum>	yeah
 127 Feb 13 17:40:21 <calum>	I presume the columns aren't re-orderable/sortable?  (Would it be useful if they were?)
 128 Feb 13 17:40:30 <ross>	they are resizable, but that is all
 129 Feb 13 17:40:40 <ross>	no sorting as the track order is The Order
 130 Feb 13 17:40:45 <ross>	and i can't see a point for reordering
 131 Feb 13 17:41:08 <calum>	fair enough, just throwing it out there... I'm inclined to agree...
 132 Feb 13 17:41:10 <ross>	one thing to think about is that i've been considering using a toolbar instead of the buttons at the bottom
 133 Feb 13 17:41:22 <ross>	so crack people can add all sorts of buttons and use it as their main player
 134 Feb 13 17:41:29 <mccann>	is it confusing that some columns edit on activation and some start playing?
 135 Feb 13 17:41:38 <ross>	mccann: a little
 136 Feb 13 17:41:51 <ross>	but double-clicking to play is too  nice
 137 Feb 13 17:41:59 <ross>	just always double-click in the track number column...
 138 Feb 13 17:42:13 <mccann>	right, I don't really have a better suggestion
 139 Feb 13 17:42:36 *	calum can't really comment on that without having a CD to play with, but might revisit that tomorrow...
 140 Feb 13 17:43:06 <calum>	ross: I actually quite like the buttons down the bottom, kind of puts everything in the right order
 141 Feb 13 17:43:20 <joachim-n>	in the VM, it just says it can't find a CD drive and quits
 142 Feb 13 17:43:21 <ross>	calum: me too
 143 Feb 13 17:43:25 <calum>	even if it's a slightly unusual layout for an app
 144 Feb 13 17:43:58 <calum>	ross: I suppose you could just put a toolbar at the bottom :)
 145 Feb 13 17:44:16 <calum>	oh, that's probably what you meant...
 146 Feb 13 17:44:29 *	calum always assumes "top" when people mention toolbars
 147 Feb 13 17:44:41 <ross>	i'm not sure
 148 Feb 13 17:44:57 <ross>	there was someone who really wanted a toolbar and i nearly convinced to hack it to try
 149 Feb 13 17:45:15 <ross>	wanna hit the prefs dialog?
 150 Feb 13 17:45:31 <calum>	yeah, go on then...
 151 Feb 13 17:45:38 ---	calum has changed the topic to: Currently reviewing: http://burtonini.com/temp/sj-prefs.png
 152 Feb 13 17:47:13 -->	Burgwork (~corey@d66-183-174-128.bchsia.telus.net) has joined #ui-review
 153 Feb 13 17:47:28 <calum>	looks pretty decent at first glance... not clear what the 'sortable' options do for me in the folder/filename dropdowns though?
 154 Feb 13 17:48:16 <ross>	technically they use the sortname
 155 Feb 13 17:48:24 <ross>	"Beatles, The" rather than "The Beatles"
 156 Feb 13 17:48:32 <calum>	ah, I see
 157 Feb 13 17:48:49 <ross>	maybe i need to find an album everyone has heard of the the sample field
 158 Feb 13 17:49:39 <calum>	would there be any common reason for most people not to use that, or is it purely personal preference?
 159 Feb 13 17:49:50 <ross>	i'd say its personal
 160 Feb 13 17:49:58 <ross>	i don't want sortnames in the file system really
 161 Feb 13 17:50:22 <calum>	ok, was just wondering whether it would make a more reasonable default or not
 162 Feb 13 17:50:57 <calum>	but I guess not...
 163 Feb 13 17:52:14 <mccann>	does strip special chars make it fat32 (USB storage) compatible?
 164 Feb 13 17:52:25 <ross>	yeah
 165 Feb 13 17:52:28 <mccann>	cool
 166 Feb 13 17:52:36 <ross>	without that on it just removes / characters
 167 Feb 13 17:52:38 <joachim-n>	(offtopic a bit) is sortname a hidden field in MP3 tags?
 168 Feb 13 17:52:51 <ross>	joachim-n: not in mp3, but in ogg and everything else yes
 169 Feb 13 17:52:58 <joachim-n>	ah
 170 Feb 13 17:53:02 <ross>	the lame encoder in gstreamer (well, lame) is pants
 171 Feb 13 17:53:12 <ross>	big technical reasons why it can't write decent tags
 172 Feb 13 17:54:33 <calum>	just purely aesthetically, it might look better if the checkboxes aligned with the dropdowns rather than their labels... does look a /wee/ bit cluttered currently
 173 Feb 13 17:55:34 <ross>	might work
 174 Feb 13 17:55:36 <ross>	and is easy to do
 175 Feb 13 17:56:06 <calum>	and in some other dialogs, we've used "<small><b>Example:</b> Some example stuff</small>" for examples, rather than giving them a full-sized label of their own... that might tidy things up a little too
 176 Feb 13 17:56:24 <sgarrit1>	yeah, I thought the same (re: example text)
 177 Feb 13 17:56:40 <calum>	actually, I missed the italics out that example... you can keep those :)
 178 Feb 13 17:57:26 <ross>	so example path would continue across?
 179 Feb 13 17:58:09 <calum>	the "E" of example would go where your first slash is now...
 180 Feb 13 17:58:39 <calum>	and just a space between Example: and the actual example :)
 181 Feb 13 17:59:03 <ross>	yeah
 182 Feb 13 17:59:10 <ross>	so in small italic bold
 183 Feb 13 17:59:41 <calum>	yes, for the "Example:" part, non bold for the rest
 184 Feb 13 18:00:08 <sgarrit1>	calum: do you know of an example of another dialog that does that?
 185 Feb 13 18:00:37 <calum>	sgarrit1: Assistive technology prefs is one
 186 Feb 13 18:00:55 <sgarrit1>	ah, I see - yeah, that is nice
 187 Feb 13 18:01:25 <ross>	 /temp/sj-prefs2.png has moved check boxes
 188 Feb 13 18:01:42 <calum>	nice... I think that looks better
 189 Feb 13 18:02:38 -->	topyli (~juha@dsl-hkigw3-fe23de00-139.dhcp.inet.fi) has joined #ui-review
 190 Feb 13 18:03:10 <calum>	any other comments on the prefs dialog?
 191 Feb 13 18:03:24 <calum>	hi topyli 
 192 Feb 13 18:03:38 <topyli>	hi there. lurking here
 193 Feb 13 18:03:39 <calum>	I guess the Edit Profiles button should really have an ellipsis...
 194 Feb 13 18:03:47 <calum>	topyli: feel free :)
 195 Feb 13 18:03:54 <topyli>	:)
 196 Feb 13 18:05:22 <ross>	refresh sj-prefs2.png
 197 Feb 13 18:06:43 <calum>	ross: almost what I had in mind... was suggesting aligning that whole line with the dropdown rather than the "File name" label though...
 198 Feb 13 18:06:51 <ross>	ah ok
 199 Feb 13 18:06:54 *	ross prods
 200 Feb 13 18:08:22 <ross>	refresh again
 201 Feb 13 18:08:27 <ross>	maybe it should go below the check box too
 202 Feb 13 18:08:35 <ross>	then i can actually fix that bug to make that change the path...
 203 Feb 13 18:08:52 <calum>	what would it change?
 204 Feb 13 18:09:08 <ross>	the filename would change
 205 Feb 13 18:09:53 <calum>	ok, sounds worth a try then... although it might actually look better the way it is, just because the checkbox label is shorter than the example...
 206 Feb 13 18:11:06 <joachim-n>	can we put the example in any sort of a frame to set it apart from things the user can interact with?
 207 Feb 13 18:11:34 <ross>	i've update prefs2.png with the label at the bottom
 208 Feb 13 18:11:56 <calum>	hmm, ok, doesn't look too bad...
 209 Feb 13 18:12:02 <sgarrit1>	looked a bit better above, but this probably makes more sense
 210 Feb 13 18:12:20 *	calum agrees
 211 Feb 13 18:12:21 <ross>	i'm going to have to go shortly, wife will be home
 212 Feb 13 18:12:37 <calum>	ok, let's have a quick look at the playing and ripping screenies then
 213 Feb 13 18:12:40 *	calum has to go soon too
 214 Feb 13 18:13:17 <calum>	joachim-n: do you still think that's necessary now that the example is at the bottom?
 215 Feb 13 18:13:36 <joachim-n>	ah perhaps not. sorry must have missed that
 216 Feb 13 18:13:42 <sgarrit1>	I think the example is fine as is
 217 Feb 13 18:13:45 <calum>	joachim-n: it's ok, ross is moving fast :)
 218 Feb 13 18:13:45 <sgarrit1>	(now)
 219 Feb 13 18:14:01 <calum>	http://burtonini.com/temp/sj-start-ripping.png then...
 220 Feb 13 18:14:09 ---	calum has changed the topic to: currently reviewing http://burtonini.com/temp/sj-start-ripping.png
 221 Feb 13 18:14:59 <calum>	is the little icon in the list themable?
 222 Feb 13 18:15:21 <ross>	i think so
 223 Feb 13 18:16:09 <calum>	ok...
 224 Feb 13 18:16:26 <calum>	would Esc activate the Stop button, or only Alt+S?
 225 Feb 13 18:16:35 <ross>	only alt-s
 226 Feb 13 18:16:39 <ross>	should escape?
 227 Feb 13 18:16:47 <calum>	yeah, I think the HIG says it should, let me check...
 228 Feb 13 18:17:45 <calum>	yep... "Place a Stop or Cancel  button, which can also be activated by pressing Esc, near the progress animation for the interruptable command."
 229 Feb 13 18:17:51 <ross>	gotta go
 230 Feb 13 18:17:55 -->	Vic (~victor@87.248.175.182) has joined #ui-review
 231 Feb 13 18:17:56 <ross>	can someone update the wiki or mail me logs?
 232 Feb 13 18:17:59 <ross>	will pop back soon
 233 Feb 13 18:18:06 <calum>	sure... thanks a lot!
 234 Feb 13 18:19:37 <calum>	so, any more comments on sj-start-ripping.png?  (I'm guessing not, we've already covered most of this screen...)
 235 Feb 13 18:20:53 <calum>	and http://burtonini.com/temp/sj-mid-ripping.png is the same, apart from the status bar message... any comments on that?
 236 Feb 13 18:21:44 <calum>	only comment I have on the message is that the parentheses probably aren't really required...
 237 Feb 13 18:21:45 <sgarrit1>	the "Estimated time left:..." text looks like it's a bit too close to the status bar on the left - could use some padding? Or is that theme-speific?
 238 Feb 13 18:21:47 <mccann>	maybe use the multiplication symbol instead of "x" in the statusbar?
 239 Feb 13 18:21:59 <calum>	sgarrit1: agreed, bit more padding would be nice there
 240 Feb 13 18:22:03 -->	xkahn (~xkahn@nat-pool-bos.redhat.com) has joined #ui-review
 241 Feb 13 18:22:34 <calum>	mccann: yep, that might be nice I guess...
 242 Feb 13 18:22:52 *	calum wonders how many fonts are broken enough not to have a multiplication symbol :)
 243 Feb 13 18:23:28 *	joachim-n is off. bye everyone :)
 244 Feb 13 18:23:31 <calum>	anyone have it running there... is the speaker icon in the bottom right actually a volume control, or just a label?
 245 Feb 13 18:23:34 <calum>	joachim-n: bye, thanks!
 246 Feb 13 18:23:38 <--	joachim-n has quit (Leaving)
 247 Feb 13 18:24:04 <mccann>	control
 248 Feb 13 18:24:25 <sgarrit1>	calum: a quick look through some fonts and all seem to have the multiplication symbol
 249 Feb 13 18:24:29 <calum>	mccann: ok, wonder if it should actually look like a button then...
 250 Feb 13 18:24:44 <calum>	sgarrit1: ok :)
 251 Feb 13 18:24:53 <mccann>	calum: it looks more like a button when you hover over it
 252 Feb 13 18:25:06 <calum>	mccann: yeah, but would you think to hover over it if it doesn't look like a button :)
 253 Feb 13 18:25:37 <calum>	I guess it would look a bit ugly, but still...
 254 Feb 13 18:26:23 <mccann>	my guess is that it is the bacon-volume widget that both totem and rhythmbox use
 255 Feb 13 18:26:36 *	calum also wonders if "time remaining" would be a bit more correct than "time remaining"
 256 Feb 13 18:27:11 <calum>	mccann: hmm, ok... well, it's in the log now, so ross can choose to act on the observation as he sees fit :)
 257 Feb 13 18:27:19 <mccann>	maybe the volume widget should not be sensitive when extracting?
 258 Feb 13 18:27:37 <calum>	(that second remaining should have been "left", of course...)
 259 Feb 13 18:27:52 <calum>	mccann: depends, does it/can it playback while extracting?
 260 Feb 13 18:27:58 <ross>	the widget is indeed bacon-volume-control
 261 Feb 13 18:28:26 <Vic>	mccann: Verry much agreed. Also what happens when the progress slider isdraged while ripping?
 262 Feb 13 18:28:46 <calum>	the slider knob looks disabled to me... is it?
 263 Feb 13 18:29:26 <Vic>	Nope
 264 Feb 13 18:29:33 <ross>	hm
 265 Feb 13 18:29:36 <ross>	it was :/
 266 Feb 13 18:30:01 <ross>	its a seek scale, should only appear when playing
 267 Feb 13 18:30:17 <ross>	(when done can someone mail me a log of this)
 268 Feb 13 18:30:18 <calum>	it would be nice if non-draggable sliders had a more obviously different appearance, but that's a gtk issue I guess...
 269 Feb 13 18:30:26 <calum>	ross: yep, I will
 270 Feb 13 18:30:38 <ross>	and i can mail some of these to usability list and release team to get them into 2.14 right?
 271 Feb 13 18:31:02 <calum>	ross: that's what I'm hoping... nobody objected when I suggested it, but nobody actually said we could either :)
 272 Feb 13 18:31:45 <Vic>	ross: hrm, I've got a recent cvs, and I can certainly drag the slider while ripping.
 273 Feb 13 18:32:36 <ross>	Vic: eek
 274 Feb 13 18:33:11 <calum>	ok, well I guess we can just note that as a possible bug and move on... any other comments on the ripping screenshots?
 275 Feb 13 18:33:58 <calum>	if not, I guess we'll wrap it up with http://burtonini.com/temp/sj-playing.png
 276 Feb 13 18:33:59 <Vic>	How about some status emprovement: What is it doing now? Ripping? Are you sure?
 277 Feb 13 18:34:19 <calum>	Vic: good point... I guess the red dot in the list icon is the only clue...
 278 Feb 13 18:34:36 <calum>	(well, and the burning speed in the status bar)
 279 Feb 13 18:34:54 <sgarrit1>	same point about padding for the text in the status bar - goes for all status bar text, I guess
 280 Feb 13 18:35:09 <sgarrit1>	calum: and the buttons (Pause vs. Stop)
 281 Feb 13 18:35:23 <calum>	Vic: any suggestions for improving that?  I guess you could maybe overlay "Ripping..." on the progress indicator or something...
 282 Feb 13 18:35:35 <Vic>	Add something like "Ripping ..." in the title or status bar?
 283 Feb 13 18:35:48 <calum>	sgarrit1: right
 284 Feb 13 18:36:35 <calum>	again, would probably be useful to show the total duration of the selected tracks here somehow as well, I think...
 285 Feb 13 18:36:50 <calum>	rather than just the current track
 286 Feb 13 18:37:35 <calum>	another question for somebody who's running it: can you click anywhere on the slider to jump to that point in the track, or is it one of those annoying sliders where that doesn't work? :)
 287 Feb 13 18:38:09 <Vic>	calum: Works just fine while playng
 288 Feb 13 18:38:17 <calum>	ok, cool
 289 Feb 13 18:38:29 <calum>	that always bugs me in totem :)
 290 Feb 13 18:39:04 <Vic>	calum: I was under the impression that it was some backend thing, but maybe I'm wrong
 291 Feb 13 18:39:10 <calum>	maybe
 292 Feb 13 18:39:21 <calum>	as a user, I don't really care whose fault it is :)
 293 Feb 13 18:39:30 <Vic>	Verry true
 294 Feb 13 18:40:01 <calum>	anyone think it would be useful to have the times actually beside the slider control, or are they fine in the status bar?
 295 Feb 13 18:41:34 <Vic>	If you know where else to put them :)
 296 Feb 13 18:42:31 <calum>	not really :)  I guess you'd have to do something like the labelling in the mouse capplet, motion tab
 297 Feb 13 18:43:21 <Vic>	The current way is also consistent with totem
 298 Feb 13 18:43:29 <Vic>	Which is nice
 299 Feb 13 18:43:31 <calum>	yeah, true
 300 Feb 13 18:43:44 <calum>	I guess it makes sense the way it is, then
 301 Feb 13 18:44:19 <Vic>	Can I sugest something which is not consistent with totem, etc :)
 302 Feb 13 18:44:22 <calum>	sure
 303 Feb 13 18:44:31 <Vic>	10 min of 25
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 306 Feb 13 18:44:56 <Vic>	or something... more human friendly
 307 Feb 13 18:46:31 <calum>	ok... worth thinking about...
 308 Feb 13 18:47:24 <calum>	well, that's us been through all the screenshots... only thing left I can think of is if anyone has any comments on the menus (sorry, don't have a screenshot of those), or any other general comments...
 309 Feb 13 18:49:13 <calum>	only comment I have on the menus is whether "Disc->Submit..." is an obvious enough label... I guess I knew what it meant though :)
 310 Feb 13 18:49:52 <mccann>	I was just thinking that.  It is probably the only questionable one.
 311 Feb 13 18:50:09 <calum>	ok, have we any better suggestions then...?
 312 Feb 13 18:50:39 <Vic>	The Disk ->'Re-read' is disabled for me, but it was enabled when s-j started
 313 Feb 13 18:51:12 <mccann>	what text does it use when looking up the disc in musicbrainz?
 314 Feb 13 18:51:18 <calum>	Vic: hmm, ok... another possible bug there then...
 315 Feb 13 18:52:16 <Vic>	Maybe. It gets disabled when starting to play, and stays that way.
 316 Feb 13 18:52:40 <calum>	mccann: dunno, can't check right now :/  You're right though, would be a good place to look...
 317 Feb 13 18:53:03 <calum>	also notice the next/prev track shortcuts are inconsistent with totem, but that could equally be totem's fault for picking non-HIGgy shortcuts...
 318 Feb 13 18:53:17 <mccann>	Seems like the lookup part (ie opposite of Submit) says "Retrieving track list...please wait."
 319 Feb 13 18:53:46 <calum>	ok, so maybe something like Submit track list?
 320 Feb 13 18:53:55 <calum>	with the right caps, of course :)
 321 Feb 13 18:53:58 <mccann>	calum: might be better
 322 Feb 13 18:55:10 <mccann>	calum: that's probably as good as it can get without mentioning tech details
 323 Feb 13 18:55:25 <Vic>	Could there be a better wording for that? Why would I want to submit my playlist? :)
 324 Feb 13 18:55:29 <calum>	yeah... I'm trying to think what iTunes uses...
 325 Feb 13 18:56:06 <calum>	ah, it uses Submit CD Track Names
 326 Feb 13 18:57:00 <calum>	anyway, sorry, I have to go... I'll leave my log running in case you guys want to discuss anything some more, and I'll send it on to ross later unless he comes back first :)
 327 Feb 13 18:57:14 <calum>	thanks everyone...
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