1 16:06:21 <joanie> #startmeeting
   2 16:06:21 <tota11y> Meeting started Thu Aug 15 16:06:21 2013 CET.  The chair is joanie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
   3 16:06:21 <tota11y> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
   4 16:06:29 <joanie> #topic GSoC updates
   5 16:06:42 <joanie> magpie: floor is yours
   6 16:06:43 <magpie> #info - Magdalen apologises about missing the last meeting as she was in GUADEC finishing off the gsettings patch.
   7 16:07:12 <magpie> #info  Magdalen wants to thank the mentoring team for their help with the lightening talk at GUADEC. She felt she could have done it better on the day but it could certainly have been worse, and all things considered she feels that she let many people know that this project was important one way or another during the course of the conference :-)
   8 16:07:28 <joanie> :)
   9 16:07:33 <magpie> #info Magdalen spoke to Karen about replacing the out-of-date GNOME magnifier how-to on the BBC website after it is finished and Karen seemed to be very interested in helping get the change publicised.
  10 16:07:42 <magpie> #link - http://www.bbc.co.uk/accessibility/guides/magnify/computer/linux/gnome/index.shtml
  11 16:07:56 <magpie> #info - In GUADEC it was possible to speak face to face with the developers of GNOME Shell and it was possible to gain an understanding of what would be required for the patch. The following pieces of information were discovered:
  12 16:08:15 <magpie> #info - The gjs exception experienced by Magdalen shown here https://raw.github.com/thisMagpie/GSoC/master/javascript/gjs_error was actually normal and was not related to the crashed experienced in GNOME Shell. Further investigation suggests that the GNOME Shell extentions developers work around the issue by adding the line: "module_autogenargs['gnome-shell']=' --enable-jhbuild-wrapper-script'" and then running gno
  13 16:08:16 <magpie> me-shell by entering the source gnome-shell directory in jhbuild and running the gnome-shell script from its src directory. It follows that 'jhbuild run gnome-shell --replace' is incorrect. Magdalen did not find out the details but she believes that this is because gnome-shell fails to make use of any of the system libraries whilst running under jhbuild because when she tried the command she noticed the environment
  14 16:08:18 <magpie> ran a lot more 'smoothly' than it had been running prior.
  15 16:08:30 <magpie> #info The following command must be used from now on: 'cd /home/dev/gnome/source/gnome-shell/; ./src/gnome-shell --replace'
  16 16:08:45 <magpie> #info Magdalen has put separate .jhbuildrc configuration files in github: One for each environment she has avalaible because they each seem to require slightly different tweaks in order to work well (e.g. WebKit can not be compiled in a reasonable time fames.
  17 16:08:47 <magpie> #info The desktop .jhbuildrc configuration is https://github.com/thisMagpie/GSoC/blob/master/JHbuild/desktop.jhbuildrc
  18 16:08:50 <magpie> #info The mac .jhbuildrc configuration is https://github.com/thisMagpie/GSoC/blob/master/JHbuild/mac.jhbuildrc
  19 16:09:53 <magpie> #info magdalen has run the focusCaretTracker changes successfully but has not finished all the tests due to (yet another) mac crash slowing things down. However gnome-shell is built now successfully on both computers!!!
  20 16:10:46 <magpie> #info The only problem at the moment is that the mac thinks it is monday janurary 1, 2001 and although it is possible to 'ping 8.8.8.8' the connection seems to be limited in some way on wired and wireless.
  21 16:10:48 <magpie> #help does anyone know how to set the date via bash because I cannot rebuild gsettings and include the change while the git.mk is so many years in the future, it seems.
  22 16:11:34 <magpie> #info it is not urgent as Magdalen updated gsettings from desktop since they were pushed to master :-)
  23 16:11:38 * magpie getting link
  24 16:11:40 <joanie> :)
  25 16:12:42 <magpie> #link https://git.gnome.org/browse/gsettings-desktop-schemas/commit/?id=3e7aaf2f0fe2f0c98a01cbdad0a74bc079390f89
  26 16:13:05 <joanie> yay!
  27 16:13:09 <magpie> #help can anyone clarify whether monday is a hard or soft deadline?
  28 16:13:18 <magpie> :-)
  29 16:13:52 <jjmarin> hi !
  30 16:13:54 <joanie> which monday?
  31 16:14:06 <joanie> and for what deadline?
  32 16:14:10 <joanie> jjmarin: hey
  33 16:14:23 <joanie> doing a quick/light meeting, though magpie had much to report :)
  34 16:14:25 <magpie> #info Magdalen has jjmarin joanie API and desrt to thank for helping to get the commit pushed before the freeze
  35 16:14:52 <magpie> this monday the 19th aug joanie
  36 16:15:17 <jjmarin> :-)
  37 16:15:43 <joanie> lemme pull up the schedule
  38 16:16:06 <joanie> https://wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointNine
  39 16:16:28 <magpie> #info Magdalen is aiming for magnifier and tracker commit to land on or before 19th August but is not sure if there's a contingency or not in case there are any problems over the weekend
  40 16:16:30 <joanie> GNOME 3.9.90 beta tarballs due
  41 16:16:30 <joanie> The Freeze: UI Freeze: No UI changes may be made without approval from the release-team and notification to gnome-doc-list@; Feature Freeze: new functionality is implemented now; API/ABI Freeze for 3.9.x: Developer APIs should be frozen at this point; String Change Announcement Period: All string changes must be announced to both gnome-i18n@ and gnome-doc-list@.
  42 16:16:36 <joanie> New APIs must be fully documented
  43 16:16:38 <joanie> Writing of release notes begins
  44 16:16:44 <joanie> ----------------------
  45 16:16:48 <joanie> (end of c&p)
  46 16:17:17 <joanie> magpie: does that answer your question or not?
  47 16:18:16 <magpie> joanie did you get to read my last info? I'm still not sure based on what Florian said about the gsettings being subject but the mag/tracker not
  48 16:18:34 * joanie scrolls up
  49 16:18:43 <magpie> either way I want it to be done i just need to know if I need to pull all my resources to make it happen or not
  50 16:19:22 <joanie> seems I'm missing the #info in question
  51 16:19:33 <joanie> the magnifier is not a UI change
  52 16:19:50 <magpie> it's ok i think I got my answer
  53 16:19:57 <joanie> ok
  54 16:20:17 <magpie> the info wa sthe date joanie fwiw
  55 16:20:23 <joanie> k
  56 16:20:30 <joanie> so.... anything else on this topic?
  57 16:20:42 <magpie> yes
  58 16:20:49 <magpie> just one thing
  59 16:22:46 <magpie> #info Magdalen has a lot to discuss with mentors after this commit gets out the way and  some ideas for after the primary aims of the project are complete but that will have to wait till after the commit and this is just an fyi :-)
  60 16:22:48 <magpie> one more
  61 16:22:52 <magpie> actually
  62 16:22:55 <magpie> i can just ask
  63 16:23:28 <magpie> what is the deal with my blog can I wait till after monday to do it? I'm concious that I need to do one soon but i'm not sure how soon
  64 16:23:45 <joanie> I suspect it can wait
  65 16:23:53 <joanie> have you encountered blog police?
  66 16:24:02 <magpie> I updated the project page before GUADEC i can info that i guess
  67 16:24:28 <magpie> I was asked to rewrite the accessibility documentation -all of it
  68 16:24:37 <magpie> but i don't feel qualified to do that tbh
  69 16:25:00 <joanie> jjmarin: isn't documentation on your to-do list?
  70 16:25:15 <joanie> magpie: and who asked you to rewrite all of it?
  71 16:25:47 <magpie> yeah definitely I like it but I am not sure about all of it because that's not only understandingg all the a11y modules inside out but also the law
  72 16:26:06 <joanie> yeah
  73 16:26:13 * magpie really likes the current check list
  74 16:26:17 <joanie> I don't think whoever requested it made a reasonable request of you
  75 16:26:38 <magpie> Kat did joanie because she said the current licence it was under needed to be got rid of
  76 16:26:51 <jjmarin> magpie: yes, there are some parts that need to be updated. The workflow is open a bug report in bugzilla and send patches
  77 16:26:55 <joanie> what license?
  78 16:27:06 * magpie checking
  79 16:29:03 <jjmarin> magpie: are you talking about the accessibility chuncks of the gnome user documentation or are you talking about the GNOME Desktop Accessibility Guide
  80 16:29:06 <magpie> I can't find it quickly enough but it's this module i think https://developer.gnome.org/accessibility-devel-guide/3.8/accessibility-devel-guide.html
  81 16:29:39 <joanie> ok
  82 16:30:03 <jjmarin> ok, that's the GNOME Desktop Accessibility Guide and it is very outdated. I haven't done anything with that yet
  83 16:31:04 <joanie> we can add it to the list
  84 16:31:06 <magpie> ah ok I wasn't sure if anyone was involved but i did tell her i did not feel qualified
  85 16:31:11 <jjmarin> but other people seem to have update it
  86 16:31:39 <jjmarin> sorry I'm confused
  87 16:31:54 <joanie> btw, any other GSoC updates?
  88 16:32:00 <joanie> since this is the GSoC updates topic?
  89 16:32:24 <magpie> i would be happy to do parts I can do but not the parts I don't know about.
  90 16:32:40 <jjmarin> the GNOME Desktop Accessibility Guide was outdate and now it points the a11y gnome user documentation
  91 16:32:58 <joanie> #topic documentation
  92 16:33:41 <joanie> #info Kat asked Magdalen to rewrite our documentation. :)
  93 16:33:48 <joanie> anything else to info?
  94 16:33:51 <magpie> thanks joanie
  95 16:34:56 <joanie> otherwise we can move on?
  96 16:35:11 <magpie> #info Magdalen is happy to help with that but does not feel qualified to write the whole lot because of the breadth and depth of the technical and legal aspects of creating a fresh module for a11y developers and users
  97 16:35:15 <magpie> ok cool
  98 16:35:17 <magpie> done
  99 16:35:57 <joanie> thanks
 100 16:36:02 <joanie> #topic Marketing
 101 16:36:07 <joanie> jjmarin: any updates?
 102 16:36:33 <magpie> should the magnifer bbc thing have gone here?
 103 16:36:40 <joanie> nah
 104 16:36:47 <magpie> ok doke
 105 16:36:48 <joanie> it's all part of your GSoC work
 106 16:36:51 <joanie> docs wasn't
 107 16:36:58 <magpie> fair one
 108 16:37:29 <jjmarin> nop, still jet lagged from Guadec and Prague :-)
 109 16:37:36 <joanie> :)
 110 16:37:45 <joanie> #info No updates
 111 16:37:49 <magpie> you and me both jjmarin
 112 16:37:53 <joanie> #topic Misc Time
 113 16:38:00 <joanie> #info Traveling is hard, let's go sleeping
 114 16:38:12 <joanie> I'm ready to be home myself
 115 16:38:18 <magpie> lol
 116 16:38:28 <magpie> joanie sleeps? who knew!
 117 16:38:34 <joanie> Office weeks with everyone on holiday are kinda pointless
 118 16:38:40 <joanie> bordering on sad
 119 16:38:48 <jjmarin> have a good travel !!! And take a siesta :-)
 120 16:39:01 <joanie> I could go for a siesta
 121 16:39:25 <magpie> do it you deserve it
 122 16:39:27 <joanie> anyhoo....
 123 16:39:37 <joanie> anything else serious or silly for this topic?
 124 16:40:04 <magpie> just that i'm wondering if either you think it's going ok?
 125 16:40:13 <joanie> it == your project?
 126 16:40:18 <magpie> any problems ?
 127 16:40:18 <joanie> if so, yeah, I think so
 128 16:40:20 <magpie> yes
 129 16:40:21 <joanie> your progressing
 130 16:40:23 <magpie> cool
 131 16:40:28 <joanie> s/your/you're/
 132 16:40:38 <joanie> just need to keep on keepin' on :)
 133 16:40:52 <magpie> ok well let me know if there's anything
 134 16:40:58 <joanie> of course
 135 16:41:03 <magpie> i do need see the feeback from midterm
 136 16:41:16 <joanie> joseph submitted that
 137 16:41:18 <magpie> so i wouldn;t know unless you all can say to me
 138 16:41:38 <joanie> let's ask him when he's back
 139 16:42:11 <magpie> ok doke that'll be interesting :-) I guess i will get on with work
 140 16:42:30 <joanie> sounds like a plan
 141 16:42:39 <magpie> thanks again for everything jjmarin and joanie I've been telling everyone how hard you work to help me
 142 16:42:53 <joanie> and we tell everyone how hard you work :)
 143 16:43:02 <magpie> :-)
 144 16:43:11 <magpie> |info we are great!
 145 16:43:16 <joanie> hahah
 146 16:43:19 <joanie> and humble too!
 147 16:43:30 <joanie> anyhoo, I am going to close the meeting
 148 16:43:32 <jjmarin> yep, you're doing your homework :-)
 149 16:43:35 <magpie> modesty: my finest quality
 150 16:43:42 <joanie> #endmeeting