1 16:10:42 <joanie> #startmeeting
   2 16:10:42 <tota11y> Meeting started Thu Jul 25 16:10:42 2013 CET.  The chair is joanie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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   4 16:10:43 <magpie> i was having trouble getting on
   5 16:10:59 <joanie> And lemme go first - I'll be brief
   6 16:11:06 <joanie> #topic GSoC Updates
   7 16:11:36 <joanie> #info Joanie just created a page on our wiki which, through wiki includes, sucks in our GSoC updates from our meetings.
   8 16:11:45 <joanie> https://wiki.gnome.org/Accessibility/Minutes/2013GSoC
   9 16:11:54 * clown waves.
  10 16:12:04 <magpie> cool!
  11 16:12:14 <joanie> If you look at the underlying content (via edit link) you'll see how easy this is :)
  12 16:12:24 <jjmarin> clown: hi !
  13 16:12:33 <joanie> #info Joanie will continue to update this page as part of meeting minute prep/posting
  14 16:12:33 <magpie> hey clown
  15 16:12:41 <clown> hey magpie.
  16 16:12:47 <clown> hi jjmarin
  17 16:12:51 <joanie> I think this page might come in handy any time we need to point at something progressy :)
  18 16:12:55 <joanie> like during the evaluation
  19 16:13:06 <joanie> e.g. how often do you meet?
  20 16:13:11 <joanie> answer: As a team, every week
  21 16:13:18 <joanie> see look <link goes here>
  22 16:13:21 <joanie> ok, that's all I've got
  23 16:13:28 <clown> joanie, this GSoC updates page is awesome.
  24 16:13:30 <joanie> regular/proper updates should begin.... NOW
  25 16:13:31 <magpie> that's a great help thank you joanie
  26 16:13:40 * joanie yields the floor
  27 16:14:54 <joanie> by yields the floor I mean so magpie and clown and present their updates
  28 16:15:00 <joanie> hint, hint
  29 16:15:00 <joanie> ;)
  30 16:15:01 <magpie> info Magdalen has had some computer trouble and still needs to fix it to get the latest modifications of the codes
  31 16:15:08 <joanie> magpie: missed the #
  32 16:15:26 <magpie> mac doesn't have that key
  33 16:15:38 <magpie> it usd to be alt+3
  34 16:15:39 <joanie> what?
  35 16:15:40 <clown> shift+3?
  36 16:15:49 <joanie> you cannot type a # sign?
  37 16:16:01 <clown> are british/scottish keyboards that different?
  38 16:16:03 <magpie> not yet i think i will need to bind a key to it
  39 16:16:13 <joanie> magpie: c&p it then
  40 16:16:16 <magpie> it's got fedora on this mac
  41 16:16:20 <joanie> or I will have to manually do all the minutes
  42 16:16:59 <clown> how difficult is it to temporarily switch keyboards intl settings to "USA"?
  43 16:17:09 <magpie> ok
  44 16:17:14 <magpie> i have a copied info
  45 16:17:15 <joanie> if you c&p the #
  46 16:17:17 <joanie> thanks
  47 16:17:34 <magpie> ok i have a few more
  48 16:17:39 <joanie> i need the first one
  49 16:17:53 <jjmarin> magpie: joanie fix is the easiest :-)
  50 16:18:05 <joanie> yeah, cmd-v info bla bla
  51 16:18:08 <joanie> cmd-v info bla bla
  52 16:18:27 <magpie> #info Magdalen has updated the wiki but the files are on my computer which seems to have a compatibility problem associated with efi booting
  53 16:20:17 <clown> ./me notes that he may want to talk to magpie outside the meeting to see how she managed to do get F19 on a Mac — I'd love to have a dual boot system, but efi never worked for me on MacBook Pro.
  54 16:20:26 <magpie> #info Magdalen is working on the lightening speech and is not sure how to proceed due to time restrictions Magdalen is pleased to say that fedora is now running smoothly on my mac though so i am with computer
  55 16:21:17 * joanie waits for the rest of magpie's updates, but then wants to talk about the speech
  56 16:21:41 <magpie> clown it's quite tricky but mines a 2009 macbook pro so yours should work too it's just you need non-free drivers
  57 16:21:58 <magpie> oh one more
  58 16:22:28 * clown will wait for magpie to finish, and then for joanie to talk about the speech before he give his gsoc update.
  59 16:22:39 <joanie> clown: give your update first
  60 16:23:06 <joanie> I just want to be sure we know where things stand as I'm traveling 28th and 29th and have meetings after
  61 16:23:12 <clown> magpie, do you still have one more?
  62 16:23:15 * clown waits
  63 16:23:19 <magpie> #info Magdalen has been using gjs and gjslint to tidy up the files and and debug because they give more debug messages than jhbuild run gnome-shell -r but i had an odd debug message with the magnifier even when trying on the gnome-shell version with none of my local changes
  64 16:23:19 <magpie> ok
  65 16:23:20 <magpie> sorry
  66 16:23:22 <magpie> done
  67 16:23:58 <clown> Yeah, I'd also like to ask your advice about gjslint, magpie.  But, again outside of this meeting.
  68 16:24:21 <magpie> it's awesome. I will be around after clown
  69 16:24:34 <clown> #info  Joseph and API continued their discussion about the 5 issues re focus/caret tracking on the gnome-a11y-devel list.
  70 16:24:58 <clown> #info Joseph has answers to all of the issues, and has a way to proceed.
  71 16:25:31 <clown> #info Joseph needs to consult with Magdalen to somehow communicate these solutions within the latest FocusCaretTracker code.
  72 16:26:15 <clown> I could just get the code from  your github, magpie, but is that up to date?
  73 16:27:35 <clown> #action  Joseph will find some way to put comments in the latest FocusCaretTracker code that speaks to the solutions to the five issues.
  74 16:27:41 <clown> done, questions?
  75 16:27:45 <magpie> no thats an old version
  76 16:27:52 <clown> that's what I thought.
  77 16:28:27 <magpie> my current one is really smart i think it will easier to get my files than fix my computer though but if it looks like it will take too long i can remember what i did
  78 16:28:52 <clown> you could email your latest code to me, as a last resort.
  79 16:29:21 <magpie> well at the moment they are on my computer that won't boot
  80 16:29:32 <clown> oh!  that's not good.
  81 16:30:30 <magpie> i should have done an fpaste of it
  82 16:31:09 * jjmarin likes how the magpie project is progressing :-) and API and clown discussion was interesting. I hope the computer problem can be fixed ASAP
  83 16:31:29 <clown> you should have made a backup  (feel free to slap me for saying such a obsessive admin type thing).
  84 16:31:55 <jjmarin> well, I guess the hard disk is ok
  85 16:32:11 <magpie> yeah i know I should have done lots of things I didn't do. Including a backup
  86 16:32:28 <magpie> it is jjmarin
  87 16:32:40 <jjmarin> we can try to help magpie after the meeting :-)
  88 16:32:43 <magpie> it's my motherboard i'm worried about :-)
  89 16:32:58 <magpie> thanks jjmarin
  90 16:33:29 <joanie> so.... what's the story with the lightning talk?
  91 16:33:38 <joanie> progress and concerns (if any)?
  92 16:36:15 <magpie> joanie the lightening talk is not progressing that well. I have no idea how to fit the project into 3 mins
  93 16:36:29 <joanie> I can help you write something
  94 16:36:37 <joanie> are there any guidelines?
  95 16:36:42 <joanie> other than three slides?
  96 16:36:43 * clown hates lightening talks.
  97 16:36:50 <magpie> only what Marina sent
  98 16:37:11 <joanie> could you please forward that to me when you get a chance?
  99 16:37:18 <joanie> I saw it but i delete stuff
 100 16:37:20 <jjmarin> I think the trick is explaining the goal, without too much detail of the technical part
 101 16:37:28 <joanie> yeah, this is easy
 102 16:37:34 <joanie> problem slide
 103 16:37:46 <joanie> *brief* techincal overview (high-level)
 104 16:37:47 <clown> just a thought:  slide 1: problem statement, slide 2:  solution, slide 3:  concluding remarks.
 105 16:37:51 <joanie> progress slide
 106 16:37:55 <joanie> yeah
 107 16:37:59 <joanie> it's simple
 108 16:38:14 <joanie> btw brief overview is slide 2
 109 16:38:27 <joanie> about the solution
 110 16:38:31 <joanie> but clown said it better
 111 16:39:11 <joanie> we might even be able to use that silly vimeo vid I did
 112 16:39:13 <magpie> it's just hard because i am not sure what is most important to emphasise when I have to keep to 3 minutes i think
 113 16:39:25 <joanie> magpie: we can help you with that
 114 16:39:30 <magpie> joanie i think it's in pdf form
 115 16:39:30 <joanie> we're all old and presenters
 116 16:39:43 <magpie> you're not all old
 117 16:39:53 <clown> joanie, speak for yousefl.  I'm not old.  I'm ancient.
 118 16:39:58 <joanie> anyhoo, we'll figure it out
 119 16:40:17 <joanie> but I'd like us to figure it out not-last-minute
 120 16:40:32 <magpie> me neither joanie
 121 16:40:34 <joanie> so when is the lightning talk day?
 122 16:40:43 <magpie> what do you need from me in order to help?
 123 16:41:09 <joanie> magpie: let's talk after this meeting
 124 16:41:16 <joanie> and come up with a plan and structure
 125 16:41:29 <magpie> ok
 126 16:42:19 <joanie> so other items on this front?
 127 16:42:23 <jjmarin> usually lightning talks are 5 minutes long. I guess this year is 3 because we have many students
 128 16:42:35 <joanie> 3 minutes or three slides?
 129 16:42:36 <magpie> #action Magdalen is going to talk with joanie and clown after the meeting
 130 16:42:37 <joanie> or both
 131 16:43:04 <magpie> i don't know if there\s any questions from people or if it's just going to be a talk
 132 16:43:07 <joanie> #action Magdalen's village of mentors will help her structure her presentation content for the GUADEC ligtning talk.
 133 16:43:12 <jjmarin> I understood three minutes
 134 16:43:20 <joanie> talk wicked fast
 135 16:43:21 <magpie> if there's questions I want to be prepared
 136 16:43:21 <joanie> :P
 137 16:44:19 <joanie> ok, so moving on?
 138 16:44:29 <jjmarin> ok
 139 16:44:44 <joanie> #topic W3C Updates
 140 16:45:08 <joanie> clown: you're up
 141 16:45:10 <clown> #info No major news from Joseph on the W3C front.
 142 16:45:41 <clown> #info The plan is still to get the UAIG document edits done by end-of-day next Thu to prepare it for a Last Call draft.
 143 16:46:01 <clown> #info But, testing is showing some "warts" in the document, and there may be more edits than time left.
 144 16:46:13 <clown> done, questions?
 145 16:46:43 <joanie> could you please remind us how much time we have to respond after the call?
 146 16:47:20 <joanie> (i.e. cause we'll be at GUADEC, etc.)
 147 16:47:36 <joanie> won't even be able to think about it until like the 10th
 148 16:48:03 <clown> the call?   You mean how much time you have to make comments on the draft?
 149 16:48:08 <joanie> yeah
 150 16:48:09 <clown> I think that's 90 days.
 151 16:48:12 <joanie> aha
 152 16:48:13 <joanie> phew
 153 16:48:19 <clown> maybe 60.
 154 16:48:25 <joanie> i meant call for comments sorry
 155 16:48:47 <clown> but, I seriously doubt the last call draft will be published before the end of Aug.
 156 16:48:54 <joanie> better still
 157 16:50:19 <joanie> okay, that's all my questions
 158 16:50:21 <joanie> others?
 159 16:50:37 <jjmarin> not from me at least
 160 16:51:24 <joanie> going once....
 161 16:51:28 * joanie lifts the gavel
 162 16:51:34 <joanie> going twice....
 163 16:51:38 <magpie> what's a gavel?
 164 16:51:38 * joanie looks for fingers
 165 16:51:47 <joanie> the hammer a judge bangs
 166 16:52:03 <joanie> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavel
 167 16:52:12 <joanie> #topic Marketing Updates
 168 16:52:32 <jjmarin> #info Juanjo hasn't received any information about the interest from the brno anaconda team from to attend to the a11y BoF. Adam Williamson told me to ask in the anaconda irc room in working hours, but no reply.
 169 16:52:51 <jjmarin> apart from that, anything new
 170 16:52:58 <joanie> working hours being east coast time almost certainly
 171 16:53:31 <jjmarin> My understanding was working hours for brno people
 172 16:53:36 <joanie> well, once we have a room scheduled you can send out a follow-up email and say "it's here on this time"
 173 16:53:39 <joanie> anaconda?
 174 16:53:49 <joanie> I think those are mostly folks in the states
 175 16:53:59 <joanie> at least some of whom work out of Westford
 176 16:54:02 <joanie> (mass)
 177 16:54:07 <jjmarin> I was told there was some people in brno
 178 16:54:11 <joanie> ah
 179 16:54:24 <joanie> regardless, I would do what I just said (were I you, which I'm not) :)
 180 16:55:03 <joanie> once it's scheduled we should perhaps consider having an RSVP/signup/say-you're-interested page
 181 16:55:09 <joanie> like we did before
 182 16:55:29 <joanie> so we don't, say, go to some other bof briefly and then have someone show up looking for us
 183 16:56:08 <joanie> anyhoo, other stuff?
 184 16:56:37 <jjmarin> nop
 185 16:56:56 <joanie> assuming no one else has comments or questions.....
 186 16:57:05 <joanie> #topic Miscellaneous Time
 187 16:57:15 <joanie> say what you will
 188 16:57:23 <magpie> so what times everyone about ?
 189 16:57:35 <joanie> API is not here to be sure our misc nattering is "on target" bwuahahaha
 190 16:57:44 <joanie> magpie: I don't understand the question
 191 16:57:45 <magpie> ha
 192 16:58:01 <jjmarin> joanie: what about your preso for guadec ?
 193 16:58:12 <joanie> jjmarin: when is it?
 194 16:58:17 <joanie> or are our slides done?
 195 16:58:23 <joanie> the former is Sunday I think
 196 16:58:27 <joanie> the latter is no
 197 16:58:29 <magpie> i mean for slides, computers, etc
 198 16:58:38 <jjmarin> ah, ok.
 199 16:58:43 <joanie> magpie: I'm taking the bulk of the day "off"
 200 16:58:46 <joanie> (from my proper dayjob)
 201 16:58:49 <joanie> so I'm around today
 202 16:58:50 <clown> I'll be here on and off today.  Tomorrow is a day that I must work on another project to insure I meet a Mon deadline.
 203 16:58:53 <magpie> ok
 204 16:59:12 <clown> So, my time is limited tomorrow.
 205 16:59:17 <joanie> as is mine
 206 16:59:22 <jjmarin> so we can talk about magpie computer now
 207 16:59:29 <clown> when do you leave for guadec, magpie?
 208 16:59:32 <magpie> cool jjmarin
 209 16:59:52 <joanie> and I've got an idea for the first slide (using images)
 210 16:59:54 <magpie> I have a gigabyte motherboard and I think this is the problem
 211 17:00:04 <joanie> I can sketch that out whilst you chat about computers
 212 17:00:05 <joanie> but....
 213 17:00:08 <joanie> let's end the meeting first
 214 17:00:15 <joanie> are there other meeting things?
 215 17:00:28 <jjmarin> sorry, you're right joanie :-)
 216 17:00:43 <joanie> jjmarin: I'm *always* right. :P (and humble too!)
 217 17:00:44 <magpie> not that I can think of though i bet I missed something
 218 17:00:56 <joanie> #endmeeting