16:10:42 #startmeeting 16:10:42 Meeting started Thu Jul 25 16:10:42 2013 CET. The chair is joanie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:10:42 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:10:43 i was having trouble getting on 16:10:59 And lemme go first - I'll be brief 16:11:06 #topic GSoC Updates 16:11:36 #info Joanie just created a page on our wiki which, through wiki includes, sucks in our GSoC updates from our meetings. 16:11:45 https://wiki.gnome.org/Accessibility/Minutes/2013GSoC 16:11:54 * clown waves. 16:12:04 cool! 16:12:14 If you look at the underlying content (via edit link) you'll see how easy this is :) 16:12:24 clown: hi ! 16:12:33 #info Joanie will continue to update this page as part of meeting minute prep/posting 16:12:33 hey clown 16:12:41 hey magpie. 16:12:47 hi jjmarin 16:12:51 I think this page might come in handy any time we need to point at something progressy :) 16:12:55 like during the evaluation 16:13:06 e.g. how often do you meet? 16:13:11 answer: As a team, every week 16:13:18 see look 16:13:21 ok, that's all I've got 16:13:28 joanie, this GSoC updates page is awesome. 16:13:30 regular/proper updates should begin.... NOW 16:13:31 that's a great help thank you joanie 16:13:40 * joanie yields the floor 16:14:54 by yields the floor I mean so magpie and clown and present their updates 16:15:00 hint, hint 16:15:00 ;) 16:15:01 info Magdalen has had some computer trouble and still needs to fix it to get the latest modifications of the codes 16:15:08 magpie: missed the # 16:15:26 mac doesn't have that key 16:15:38 it usd to be alt+3 16:15:39 what? 16:15:40 shift+3? 16:15:49 you cannot type a # sign? 16:16:01 are british/scottish keyboards that different? 16:16:03 not yet i think i will need to bind a key to it 16:16:13 magpie: c&p it then 16:16:16 it's got fedora on this mac 16:16:20 or I will have to manually do all the minutes 16:16:59 how difficult is it to temporarily switch keyboards intl settings to "USA"? 16:17:09 ok 16:17:14 i have a copied info 16:17:15 if you c&p the # 16:17:17 thanks 16:17:34 ok i have a few more 16:17:39 i need the first one 16:17:53 magpie: joanie fix is the easiest :-) 16:18:05 yeah, cmd-v info bla bla 16:18:08 cmd-v info bla bla 16:18:27 #info Magdalen has updated the wiki but the files are on my computer which seems to have a compatibility problem associated with efi booting 16:20:17 ./me notes that he may want to talk to magpie outside the meeting to see how she managed to do get F19 on a Mac — I'd love to have a dual boot system, but efi never worked for me on MacBook Pro. 16:20:26 #info Magdalen is working on the lightening speech and is not sure how to proceed due to time restrictions Magdalen is pleased to say that fedora is now running smoothly on my mac though so i am with computer 16:21:17 * joanie waits for the rest of magpie's updates, but then wants to talk about the speech 16:21:41 clown it's quite tricky but mines a 2009 macbook pro so yours should work too it's just you need non-free drivers 16:21:58 oh one more 16:22:28 * clown will wait for magpie to finish, and then for joanie to talk about the speech before he give his gsoc update. 16:22:39 clown: give your update first 16:23:06 I just want to be sure we know where things stand as I'm traveling 28th and 29th and have meetings after 16:23:12 magpie, do you still have one more? 16:23:15 * clown waits 16:23:19 #info Magdalen has been using gjs and gjslint to tidy up the files and and debug because they give more debug messages than jhbuild run gnome-shell -r but i had an odd debug message with the magnifier even when trying on the gnome-shell version with none of my local changes 16:23:19 ok 16:23:20 sorry 16:23:22 done 16:23:58 Yeah, I'd also like to ask your advice about gjslint, magpie. But, again outside of this meeting. 16:24:21 it's awesome. I will be around after clown 16:24:34 #info Joseph and API continued their discussion about the 5 issues re focus/caret tracking on the gnome-a11y-devel list. 16:24:58 #info Joseph has answers to all of the issues, and has a way to proceed. 16:25:31 #info Joseph needs to consult with Magdalen to somehow communicate these solutions within the latest FocusCaretTracker code. 16:26:15 I could just get the code from your github, magpie, but is that up to date? 16:27:35 #action Joseph will find some way to put comments in the latest FocusCaretTracker code that speaks to the solutions to the five issues. 16:27:41 done, questions? 16:27:45 no thats an old version 16:27:52 that's what I thought. 16:28:27 my current one is really smart i think it will easier to get my files than fix my computer though but if it looks like it will take too long i can remember what i did 16:28:52 you could email your latest code to me, as a last resort. 16:29:21 well at the moment they are on my computer that won't boot 16:29:32 oh! that's not good. 16:30:30 i should have done an fpaste of it 16:31:09 * jjmarin likes how the magpie project is progressing :-) and API and clown discussion was interesting. I hope the computer problem can be fixed ASAP 16:31:29 you should have made a backup (feel free to slap me for saying such a obsessive admin type thing). 16:31:55 well, I guess the hard disk is ok 16:32:11 yeah i know I should have done lots of things I didn't do. Including a backup 16:32:28 it is jjmarin 16:32:40 we can try to help magpie after the meeting :-) 16:32:43 it's my motherboard i'm worried about :-) 16:32:58 thanks jjmarin 16:33:29 so.... what's the story with the lightning talk? 16:33:38 progress and concerns (if any)? 16:36:15 joanie the lightening talk is not progressing that well. I have no idea how to fit the project into 3 mins 16:36:29 I can help you write something 16:36:37 are there any guidelines? 16:36:42 other than three slides? 16:36:43 * clown hates lightening talks. 16:36:50 only what Marina sent 16:37:11 could you please forward that to me when you get a chance? 16:37:18 I saw it but i delete stuff 16:37:20 I think the trick is explaining the goal, without too much detail of the technical part 16:37:28 yeah, this is easy 16:37:34 problem slide 16:37:46 *brief* techincal overview (high-level) 16:37:47 just a thought: slide 1: problem statement, slide 2: solution, slide 3: concluding remarks. 16:37:51 progress slide 16:37:55 yeah 16:37:59 it's simple 16:38:14 btw brief overview is slide 2 16:38:27 about the solution 16:38:31 but clown said it better 16:39:11 we might even be able to use that silly vimeo vid I did 16:39:13 it's just hard because i am not sure what is most important to emphasise when I have to keep to 3 minutes i think 16:39:25 magpie: we can help you with that 16:39:30 joanie i think it's in pdf form 16:39:30 we're all old and presenters 16:39:43 you're not all old 16:39:53 joanie, speak for yousefl. I'm not old. I'm ancient. 16:39:58 anyhoo, we'll figure it out 16:40:17 but I'd like us to figure it out not-last-minute 16:40:32 me neither joanie 16:40:34 so when is the lightning talk day? 16:40:43 what do you need from me in order to help? 16:41:09 magpie: let's talk after this meeting 16:41:16 and come up with a plan and structure 16:41:29 ok 16:42:19 so other items on this front? 16:42:23 usually lightning talks are 5 minutes long. I guess this year is 3 because we have many students 16:42:35 3 minutes or three slides? 16:42:36 #action Magdalen is going to talk with joanie and clown after the meeting 16:42:37 or both 16:43:04 i don't know if there\s any questions from people or if it's just going to be a talk 16:43:07 #action Magdalen's village of mentors will help her structure her presentation content for the GUADEC ligtning talk. 16:43:12 I understood three minutes 16:43:20 talk wicked fast 16:43:21 if there's questions I want to be prepared 16:43:21 :P 16:44:19 ok, so moving on? 16:44:29 ok 16:44:44 #topic W3C Updates 16:45:08 clown: you're up 16:45:10 #info No major news from Joseph on the W3C front. 16:45:41 #info The plan is still to get the UAIG document edits done by end-of-day next Thu to prepare it for a Last Call draft. 16:46:01 #info But, testing is showing some "warts" in the document, and there may be more edits than time left. 16:46:13 done, questions? 16:46:43 could you please remind us how much time we have to respond after the call? 16:47:20 (i.e. cause we'll be at GUADEC, etc.) 16:47:36 won't even be able to think about it until like the 10th 16:48:03 the call? You mean how much time you have to make comments on the draft? 16:48:08 yeah 16:48:09 I think that's 90 days. 16:48:12 aha 16:48:13 phew 16:48:19 maybe 60. 16:48:25 i meant call for comments sorry 16:48:47 but, I seriously doubt the last call draft will be published before the end of Aug. 16:48:54 better still 16:50:19 okay, that's all my questions 16:50:21 others? 16:50:37 not from me at least 16:51:24 going once.... 16:51:28 * joanie lifts the gavel 16:51:34 going twice.... 16:51:38 what's a gavel? 16:51:38 * joanie looks for fingers 16:51:47 the hammer a judge bangs 16:52:03 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavel 16:52:12 #topic Marketing Updates 16:52:32 #info Juanjo hasn't received any information about the interest from the brno anaconda team from to attend to the a11y BoF. Adam Williamson told me to ask in the anaconda irc room in working hours, but no reply. 16:52:51 apart from that, anything new 16:52:58 working hours being east coast time almost certainly 16:53:31 My understanding was working hours for brno people 16:53:36 well, once we have a room scheduled you can send out a follow-up email and say "it's here on this time" 16:53:39 anaconda? 16:53:49 I think those are mostly folks in the states 16:53:59 at least some of whom work out of Westford 16:54:02 (mass) 16:54:07 I was told there was some people in brno 16:54:11 ah 16:54:24 regardless, I would do what I just said (were I you, which I'm not) :) 16:55:03 once it's scheduled we should perhaps consider having an RSVP/signup/say-you're-interested page 16:55:09 like we did before 16:55:29 so we don't, say, go to some other bof briefly and then have someone show up looking for us 16:56:08 anyhoo, other stuff? 16:56:37 nop 16:56:56 assuming no one else has comments or questions..... 16:57:05 #topic Miscellaneous Time 16:57:15 say what you will 16:57:23 so what times everyone about ? 16:57:35 API is not here to be sure our misc nattering is "on target" bwuahahaha 16:57:44 magpie: I don't understand the question 16:57:45 ha 16:58:01 joanie: what about your preso for guadec ? 16:58:12 jjmarin: when is it? 16:58:17 or are our slides done? 16:58:23 the former is Sunday I think 16:58:27 the latter is no 16:58:29 i mean for slides, computers, etc 16:58:38 ah, ok. 16:58:43 magpie: I'm taking the bulk of the day "off" 16:58:46 (from my proper dayjob) 16:58:49 so I'm around today 16:58:50 I'll be here on and off today. Tomorrow is a day that I must work on another project to insure I meet a Mon deadline. 16:58:53 ok 16:59:12 So, my time is limited tomorrow. 16:59:17 as is mine 16:59:22 so we can talk about magpie computer now 16:59:29 when do you leave for guadec, magpie? 16:59:32 cool jjmarin 16:59:52 and I've got an idea for the first slide (using images) 16:59:54 I have a gigabyte motherboard and I think this is the problem 17:00:04 I can sketch that out whilst you chat about computers 17:00:05 but.... 17:00:08 let's end the meeting first 17:00:15 are there other meeting things? 17:00:28 sorry, you're right joanie :-) 17:00:43 jjmarin: I'm *always* right. :P (and humble too!) 17:00:44 not that I can think of though i bet I missed something 17:00:56 #endmeeting