1 16:05:50 <clown> #startmeeting
   2 16:05:50 <tota11y> Meeting started Thu Jul 18 16:05:50 2013 CET.  The chair is clown. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
   3 16:05:50 <tota11y> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
   4 16:05:56 <joanie> clown: all set?
   5 16:06:08 <clown> dunno.
   6 16:06:19 <magpie> i'll try
   7 16:06:21 <clown> if there are problems, I'll be in touch, joanie.
   8 16:06:28 <joanie> magpie: you are not chair
   9 16:06:34 <magpie> ok
  10 16:06:38 <clown> I'm still getting the agenda, hang on.
  11 16:06:59 <jhernandez> clown: LOL
  12 16:07:02 <jhernandez> why me?
  13 16:07:03 <jhernandez> :P
  14 16:07:18 <magpie> jhernandez we like to talk ;)
  15 16:07:28 <clown> because, you are a gentelman and a scholar, jhernandez.
  16 16:07:34 <magpie> and thar
  17 16:07:35 <clown> *gentleman.
  18 16:07:36 <jhernandez> heh
  19 16:07:51 <clown> is there a command that sets the agenda?  *looking*.
  20 16:07:58 <magpie> topic
  21 16:08:14 <jhernandez> use #topic <insert_the_topic_here>
  22 16:08:23 <jhernandez> ;)
  23 16:08:29 <clown> For the record, the agena is here:  https://wiki.gnome.org/Accessibility/Meetings#Agenda_for_the_Next_Meeting_.284_July.29
  24 16:08:38 <clown> #topic GSoC updates
  25 16:08:48 <clown> I'll go first, okay magpie?
  26 16:08:51 <magpie> ok
  27 16:09:25 <clown> #info Joseph had an action to post the five issues regarding the focus/caret tracker to the accessibility development list.
  28 16:09:31 <clown> #info He did so, his post is here:
  29 16:09:58 <clown> #info Actually, the discussion thread is here:  https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-accessibility-devel/2013-July/thread.html
  30 16:10:23 <clown> #info Joseph is rapdily converging on these conclusions:
  31 16:10:33 <magpie> #link https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-accessibility-devel/2013-July/thread.html
  32 16:11:03 <clown> #info 1. the tracker should not be a singleton, unless it's too costly to have multiple D-Bus registrations.
  33 16:11:23 <clown> #info 2. It's still a question of where Atspi.init() should be called.
  34 16:11:53 <clown> #info 3.  Atspi event registration should happen in the constructor in the non-singleton case (see 1).
  35 16:12:11 <clown> #info 4. The try/catch statements can be safely removed.
  36 16:12:56 <clown> #info 5.  There is no use case for distinguishing between 'object:state-changed:focus' and 'object:state-changed:select'.
  37 16:13:28 <clown> #info Joseph has tried to keep up with Magdalen's work, but has found little time to do it this week.
  38 16:13:40 <clown> #info But, he has at least responded to her emails.
  39 16:13:54 <clown> done, if you have anything to add, magpie,  go ahead.
  40 16:14:35 <magpie> #info Magdalen has updated the tracker
  41 16:15:02 <magpie> #info Magdalen is working on the magnifier
  42 16:15:46 <magpie> #info Magdalen has been updating Joseph via email about changes and asking questions about it  that way too
  43 16:16:40 <magpie> #info Magdalen missed an email about the meeting for OPW but should go to the next one (no date yet)
  44 16:17:10 <magpie> #info Magdalen will be doing a lightening talk on the project for GUADEC
  45 16:17:35 <magpie> #info Magdalen needs to hand in the slides by 29th July
  46 16:18:09 * clown looks at calendar
  47 16:18:17 <magpie> #action Magdalen is going to start working on the lightening talk
  48 16:18:28 <magpie> ok done
  49 16:18:30 <magpie> i think
  50 16:18:40 <clown> thanks, magpie
  51 16:18:50 <magpie> np
  52 16:19:15 <clown> joanie, we are discussing GSoC.  Do you know of any adminstrative deadlines we need to know about/react to?
  53 16:19:31 <magpie> ah forgot to ask thst
  54 16:19:39 <joanie> clown: we're still waiting to get the eval questions
  55 16:19:44 <joanie> they've not shown up yet
  56 16:20:08 <magpie> there's a deadline to hand them in joanie?
  57 16:20:19 <joanie> magpie: yeah
  58 16:20:25 <joanie> I think it's 2 August
  59 16:20:25 <clown> #info Regarding GSoC evaluations, the mentors are waiting for questions/form to be sent to the group.
  60 16:20:37 <joanie> it's whatever I said it was before
  61 16:20:39 <joanie> :)
  62 16:21:11 <clown> joanie, where are the minutes from last week?
  63 16:21:12 * magpie looking
  64 16:21:21 <joanie> clown: haven't had time to do them yet
  65 16:21:24 <joanie> sorry
  66 16:21:29 <joanie> been uber-crazy-busy
  67 16:21:37 <joanie> lemme look for the deadline
  68 16:22:13 <joanie> http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013
  69 16:22:25 <joanie> July 29:
  70 16:22:25 <joanie> 19:00 UTC
  71 16:22:26 <joanie> Mentors and students can begin submitting mid-term evaluations.
  72 16:22:30 <joanie> August 2:
  73 16:22:31 <joanie> 19:00 UTC
  74 16:22:31 <joanie> Mid-term evaluations deadline;
  75 16:22:31 <joanie> Google begins issuing mid-term student payments provided passing student survey is on file.
  76 16:23:43 <magpie> #info july 29 mentors and Magdalen can begin submitting mid-term evaluations
  77 16:24:16 <magpie> #info the deadline to hand in the evaluations is 2nd Aug
  78 16:24:27 <clown> :-)  that kind of looks like you have 29 mentors.
  79 16:24:38 * clown sorry.
  80 16:24:44 <magpie> that would be awesome
  81 16:24:54 <clown> that would truly be overkill.
  82 16:25:12 <magpie> possibly, but awesome nonetheless
  83 16:25:13 <clown> thanks, joanie.  sorry for the interruption.
  84 16:25:22 <magpie> thanks joanie
  85 16:25:28 <clown> anything else about GSoC?  Questions?
  86 16:25:53 <jjmarin> I think it is going well :-)
  87 16:25:54 <joanie> clown: no problem.
  88 16:26:10 <clown> so moving on  … ?  Any objections?
  89 16:26:24 <magpie> jjmarin glad you think so. it's progressing i think :)
  90 16:26:33 <clown> yah.
  91 16:26:37 <jjmarin> sure !
  92 16:26:38 <magpie> clown do you think it is?
  93 16:26:42 <clown> yah.
  94 16:26:52 <magpie> oh cool!
  95 16:27:14 <clown> #topic W3C updates.
  96 16:28:17 <magpie> I can't comment here.
  97 16:28:28 <clown> #info No news.  The goal to publish a last call draft of the ARIA User Agent Implemenation Guide by Jul 29 is still on the table.
  98 16:29:05 <clown> #info Testing is somewhat of a hindrance, in that it feeds back into better woring of the Guide, and testing is not complete.
  99 16:29:15 <clown> #info  We'll see if the deadline can be met.
 100 16:29:26 <clown> Done.  Questions?
 101 16:29:49 <clown> actually, that not right.  Hang on,
 102 16:30:22 <clown> #info  The deadline is to have all the edits to the guide committed by Jul 29 so that a last call draft can be published in August.
 103 16:30:32 <clown> now done.
 104 16:32:19 <clown> so, moving on?
 105 16:32:29 <magpie> sure
 106 16:32:44 <clown> #topic Marketing
 107 16:32:52 <clown> jjmarin?
 108 16:34:22 <clown> jjmarin, are you here?
 109 16:34:30 <jjmarin> yes
 110 16:34:48 * clown waits for jjmarin's report.
 111 16:35:05 <jjmarin> #info no news from this part. Just I've received a reply from Adam Williamson from Fedora about the a11y BoF in GUADEC. He likes the idea, but nothing concrete by now
 112 16:35:13 <jjmarin> done !
 113 16:35:54 <clown> jjmarin, my guess is that's info you should pass to joanie and API (if you haven't already).
 114 16:36:07 * joanie reads
 115 16:36:19 <joanie> btw, I'm on that mailing list
 116 16:36:32 <joanie> thanks for making that connection jjmarin
 117 16:36:42 <joanie> and, of course, the BoF schedule is STILL not done
 118 16:36:46 * joanie shrugs
 119 16:36:49 <jjmarin> https://www.redhat.com/archives/anaconda-devel-list/2013-July/msg00013.html
 120 16:37:01 <clown> #link https://www.redhat.com/archives/anaconda-devel-list/2013-July/msg00013.html
 121 16:37:16 * clown thanks magpie for alerting him to the 'link' command.
 122 16:37:28 <joanie> btw, the meetbot includes links whether you use the command or not
 123 16:37:37 <joanie> I then delete the duplicates
 124 16:37:38 <clown> d'oh!
 125 16:37:53 <magpie> no problem :-)
 126 16:37:53 <clown> so, I just created more work for you?
 127 16:37:58 * clown pats himself on the back.
 128 16:38:06 <joanie> meetbot's fault. Either don't have the command or don't autoinclude them
 129 16:38:16 <joanie> clown: it's a one-second change
 130 16:38:17 <magpie> oh right
 131 16:38:48 <clown> okay, anything else on Marketing?
 132 16:39:12 <jjmarin> nop, I'm also uber busy at work :-/
 133 16:39:19 <clown> yeah, me too.
 134 16:39:27 <clown> moving along...
 135 16:39:35 <clown> #topic Miscellaneous Time
 136 16:39:47 <clown> anything to add, anyone?
 137 16:39:53 <magpie> nope
 138 16:40:11 <jjmarin> clown is API today :-)
 139 16:40:18 <magpie> :)
 140 16:40:24 <clown> yah.
 141 16:40:37 <clown> although API's Spanish is much better than mine.
 142 16:40:46 <magpie> the power!
 143 16:40:49 <jjmarin> yes
 144 16:41:13 <clown> so, anything miscellaneous, jhernandez?
 145 16:42:38 * clown wonders if that question made jhernandez spiral into an infinite loop.
 146 16:42:52 <magpie> haha
 147 16:43:08 <clown> well, perhaps he is away from his desk right now.
 148 16:43:10 <jjmarin> miscellaneous madness !
 149 16:43:12 <clown> In the spriit of miscellaneous, nice device, msanchez!
 150 16:43:30 <magpie> device?
 151 16:43:33 <jjmarin> msanches is going to GUADEC too :)
 152 16:43:40 <jjmarin> msanchez
 153 16:43:44 <clown> magpie, that's an inside private joke.
 154 16:43:58 <magpie> oh ok then
 155 16:44:03 <clown> msanchez knows what I'm talking about.
 156 16:44:14 * clown I think....
 157 16:44:55 <clown> anyhow, does anyone have anything to add? Any objection to closing the meeting?
 158 16:45:11 <magpie> nope
 159 16:45:16 <magpie> oh wait
 160 16:45:43 <magpie> i forgot to mention that i emailed out the list to introduce myself
 161 16:45:47 <magpie> nothing else
 162 16:45:52 <jhernandez> clown: sorry, was on another window
 163 16:45:54 <jhernandez> mmmm
 164 16:46:09 <jhernandez> miscellaneous is clown's time
 165 16:46:11 <jhernandez> :P
 166 16:46:14 <clown> magpie, could you info that?
 167 16:46:31 <clown> jhernandez: yes, we should rename it.
 168 16:46:32 <magpie> sure
 169 16:46:37 <jhernandez> xDD
 170 16:47:23 <magpie> #info Magdalen emailed the OPW lists to introduce herself and apologise for missing the meeting
 171 16:47:43 <clown> thanks!
 172 16:48:00 <magpie> no problem
 173 16:48:19 <magpie> nay bother, even
 174 16:48:25 <clown> ay3
 175 16:48:29 <clown> *aye
 176 16:48:34 * magpie is losing her scottish accent
 177 16:49:12 <clown> Shall we close the meeting?
 178 16:49:23 <magpie> yeah sure
 179 16:49:27 <jjmarin> I think so
 180 16:49:33 <jjmarin> magpie is preparing her accent for GUADEC :-P
 181 16:49:43 * clown Raises the gavel ...
 182 16:49:51 <clown> 1.
 183 16:49:55 <clown> 2..
 184 16:49:58 <clown> 3 ...
 185 16:50:01 <jjmarin> jhernandez ?
 186 16:50:16 * clown waits...
 187 16:50:25 * jjmarin was joking
 188 16:50:28 <clown> #endmeeting