1 16:07:59 <API> #startmeeting
   2 16:07:59 <tota11y> Meeting started Thu Apr 25 16:07:59 2013 CET.  The chair is API. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
   3 16:07:59 <tota11y> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
   4 16:08:11 <API> #topic Outreach Program for Women
   5 16:08:20 <API> I have an action item related with this
   6 16:08:49 <API> related with ping rtcm
   7 16:08:58 <API> as there isn't too many people
   8 16:09:06 <API> I will do that by inviting him now
   9 16:09:11 <joanie> awesome
  10 16:09:27 <API> so pinged, lets wait a moment
  11 16:09:33 <joanie> k
  12 16:09:49 <joanie> as for opw
  13 16:09:53 <joanie> which is not gsoc....
  14 16:10:57 <joanie> #info "Magpie" (her nick) has done quite a bit of research regarding mousetweaks.
  15 16:11:21 <joanie> #info She will very likely submit an OPW application and require a mentor.
  16 16:12:09 <jjmarin> hi !
  17 16:12:09 <joanie> #info Because our general team policy with respect to OPW has been one boiling down to "prove your worthiness and we'll support you," we will need to support her.
  18 16:12:12 <joanie> hey
  19 16:12:15 <joanie> perfect timing
  20 16:12:31 <API> joanie, ups, sorry of the opw and gsoc thing, sometime I mix stuff
  21 16:12:35 <API> too many acronyms
  22 16:12:44 <joanie> #info Magpie submitted a bug and patch (Joanie believes).
  23 16:12:52 <jjmarin> yes
  24 16:12:55 <joanie> jjmarin: since you have been working with magpie....
  25 16:13:04 <joanie> could you fill in that blank (the bug)?
  26 16:13:17 <joanie> and also any relevant details you know
  27 16:13:20 <jjmarin> yes, searching
  28 16:13:23 <joanie> please and thank you
  29 16:13:49 <joanie> API: no worries. We are swimming in alphabet soup.
  30 16:14:00 <joanie> (is there alphabet soup in spain?)
  31 16:14:18 <API> yep
  32 16:14:26 <jjmarin> #info submitted a patch for bug #589906
  33 16:14:26 <tota11y> 04Bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=589906 enhancement, Normal, ---, gnome-shell-maint, UNCONFIRMED, RFE: Add dwelling to the Accessibility dialog
  34 16:14:40 <joanie> (api, how do accented letters work in noodles?)
  35 16:14:48 <joanie> (i'm being a bad minion.)
  36 16:14:58 <joanie> thanks jjmarin!
  37 16:15:04 <jjmarin> np :)
  38 16:15:09 <API> although we call it "sopa de letras" which would be directly translated as "letter soup" (in-the-middle misc time for the win!)
  39 16:15:11 * joanie looks
  40 16:15:31 <joanie> it's always misc o'clock!
  41 16:15:37 <jjmarin> :)
  42 16:16:08 <joanie> nice
  43 16:16:54 <joanie> #info "Magpie" is currently interacting with Jasper and Juanjo on the bug mentioned.
  44 16:17:24 <joanie> #info If she requires a mentor from our team, we need to figure out who that will be.
  45 16:17:48 <joanie> jjmarin: I assume she'd need a mentor from gnome-shell too
  46 16:18:07 <joanie> so do you have the time to be our team's co-mentor?
  47 16:18:16 <jjmarin> yes, np
  48 16:18:21 <joanie> suhweet
  49 16:18:35 <jjmarin> though, I don't know too much :-)
  50 16:18:52 <joanie> #info If we need to co-mentor her (with the gnome-shell team), Juanjo has volunteered to be our team's mentor for her.
  51 16:19:10 <joanie> our team tends to take the village approach
  52 16:19:15 <joanie> so we can help you if needed
  53 16:19:19 <joanie> but we need a point person
  54 16:19:26 <jjmarin> does she send her proposal ?
  55 16:19:32 <joanie> and since you are able and willing, that would be you. :)
  56 16:19:42 <joanie> meaning has she already done so?
  57 16:19:50 <joanie> not that I've seen, but I can check
  58 16:19:58 <joanie> btw, there are mailing lists for OPW
  59 16:20:03 <rtcm> what's the topic? :-)
  60 16:20:06 <joanie> if you are not on them you probably should be
  61 16:20:15 <joanie> rtcm: soon it will be gsoc :)
  62 16:20:22 <joanie> API: let's move to that topic now
  63 16:20:23 <API> joanie, jjmarin could we have a parenthesis then?
  64 16:20:37 <joanie> since our guest has arrived :)
  65 16:20:44 <API> ok
  66 16:20:51 <API> #topic GSoC
  67 16:20:53 <joanie> (I'll look for the list info)
  68 16:21:12 <API> rtcm, people approach us in order to propose a gsoc idea
  69 16:21:42 <API> it was proposed to get focus tracking for the gnome-shell magnifier
  70 16:21:53 <API> this seemed a good idea
  71 16:22:08 <API> and we proposed Joseph Scheuehammer as one of the possible mentors
  72 16:22:25 <API> he developed the magnifier, and have some proof of concepts for the focus tracking
  73 16:22:44 <API> so, we proposed that, and Marina told us that it would be a good idea to have also a
  74 16:22:52 <rtcm> sounds good
  75 16:22:52 <API> gnome-shell developer around
  76 16:23:08 <rtcm> I can help and answer code questions
  77 16:23:15 <API> she sent a email, but nobody offered himself as volunteer
  78 16:23:24 <rtcm> but I can't commit to being a mentor
  79 16:23:30 <API> rtcm, were you cced on that email?
  80 16:24:06 <jjmarin> who is she ?
  81 16:24:19 <joanie> marina
  82 16:24:43 <joanie> didn't we determine that she sent it to (or cced) ddl?
  83 16:24:53 <rtcm> API: I was and I didn't reply because I can't afford being a mentor (I'm organizing guadec already)
  84 16:25:00 <API> rtcm, well, the thing is that we pinged Jasper first, and he suggested you
  85 16:25:04 <API> rtcm, ah, yes
  86 16:25:07 <API> that seems
  87 16:25:11 <API> really time-consuming
  88 16:25:22 <joanie> guadec? nah. it's easy. :P
  89 16:25:28 <rtcm> I did put my name in the wiki page
  90 16:25:38 <API> well, this was basically what joseph also said
  91 16:25:44 <API> and asked
  92 16:25:46 <rtcm> and as I said, I can answer specific questions about the code
  93 16:25:51 <joanie> oh, nice! thanks rtcm!!
  94 16:25:56 <API> as he was not sure how much work being a mentor means
  95 16:26:57 <rtcm> he will have to review the code and generally steer the student (depends on the students abilities)
  96 16:26:58 <joanie> since we are still an "untriaged idea".... Does anyone know how triaging ideas works?
  97 16:27:19 <joanie> rtcm: steering is something we can do
  98 16:27:24 <API> no idea about that triaging process
  99 16:28:02 <jjmarin> magpie has ideas for hover click that I guess it will tackle gnome shell. Though not sure because I don't know her proposal yet
 100 16:29:04 <API> in any case
 101 16:29:15 <API> and in order to not consume too much time from rtcm
 102 16:29:41 <API> I think that we can conclude that he can help with some questions and code review
 103 16:29:51 * joanie nods
 104 16:29:52 <API> but not a full mentoring
 105 16:30:12 <API> so the action item will be answer marina
 106 16:30:12 <rtcm> that should be fine, yes
 107 16:30:25 <API> with what everybody (joseph and rtcm) said
 108 16:30:33 <API> well, and what we said
 109 16:30:41 <API> and see if it enough to go on with that
 110 16:30:44 <API> makes sense?
 111 16:30:50 <joanie> i think so
 112 16:30:57 <joanie> are you taking that AI?
 113 16:31:11 <jjmarin> rtcm: thanks for helping :)
 114 16:31:14 <API> ok
 115 16:31:25 <API> rtcm, yeah thank you, and thank you for coming
 116 16:31:33 <jjmarin> AI ?
 117 16:31:35 <API> I think that you can continue with your normal life now ;)
 118 16:31:49 <joanie> jjmarin: Action Item
 119 16:31:59 <jjmarin> wow !
 120 16:32:17 <joanie> ?
 121 16:32:43 <rtcm> yw
 122 16:32:48 <jjmarin> AI meaning was unexpected for me :)
 123 16:33:01 <joanie> silly jjmarin :)
 124 16:33:44 <API> #action API will send a email to Marina in relation to the GSOC
 125 16:34:12 <API> joanie, could you make a summary later for the minutes or do you prefer some pretty #info here?
 126 16:34:25 <joanie> either way
 127 16:34:43 <mgorse> Hi all. I'm sorry for missing half the meeting.
 128 16:34:45 <joanie> if you could pretty info it now, it would save time later though
 129 16:35:00 <joanie> mgorse: you have 1000 action items /me grins
 130 16:35:52 <API> #info We have an action item of pinging rtcm after our chat with jasper some weeks ago
 131 16:36:39 <API> #info we invited him to the a11y-meeting. He would not have enough time for being a mentor, but could give some guidance in the form of answering questions and some code review
 132 16:37:10 <API> #info API will send to marina a mail with all this info (joseph answer, jasper answer, rtcm answer)
 133 16:37:11 <API> done
 134 16:37:20 <API> so I think that the topic is over
 135 16:37:22 <joanie> thanks!
 136 16:37:24 <joanie> yup
 137 16:37:25 <API> anything else or moving?
 138 16:38:42 <API> I guess that moving
 139 16:38:47 <API> #topic W3C updates
 140 16:38:50 <API> joseph is not here
 141 16:38:55 <API> joanie, something to say here?
 142 16:39:02 <joanie> nope
 143 16:39:10 <joanie> and Mark has not been around this week
 144 16:39:52 <API> ok
 145 16:39:55 <joanie> #action Joanie will email Mark Sadecki about our team meetings and invite him to join us to provide W3C updates
 146 16:40:07 <API> #topic Marketing
 147 16:40:09 <API> jjmarin, ?
 148 16:40:43 <jjmarin> #info Juanjo has only done some work in the a11y documentation
 149 16:41:07 <jjmarin> #info Juanjo needs to do more work in the wikipedia :-)
 150 16:41:34 <jjmarin> done !
 151 16:41:35 <jjmarin> :)
 152 16:41:41 <API> just a question
 153 16:41:48 <API> there are a lot of activity on the marketing list
 154 16:41:48 <jjmarin> please
 155 16:42:02 <API> some suggested a marketing hackfest
 156 16:42:13 <API> is that true or I just read too quick?
 157 16:42:22 <jjmarin> yes, there is going to be a hackfest in NY
 158 16:42:38 <jjmarin> and we are finishing the annual report
 159 16:43:19 <jjmarin> I won't be able to attend to the hackfest, beacuse I don't have schedule for june july
 160 16:43:52 <jjmarin> and I have important meetting with unkown dates :/
 161 16:44:10 <API> ok, thanks
 162 16:44:30 <API> anyway, I guess that the only thing that could affect to a11y on that marketing hackfest is the annual report
 163 16:45:08 <jjmarin> there is an article about the a11y FoG campaing in the report
 164 16:45:27 <jjmarin> :)
 165 16:46:21 <jjmarin> and I hope soon it will be some news about the contract from the a11y FoG ;-)
 166 16:46:44 <API> well the advantage of the report being late
 167 16:46:51 <API> is that there are possibilities of including that
 168 16:46:54 <API> having said so
 169 16:46:59 <API> something else in this point?
 170 16:47:06 <API> more questions, doubts, comments?
 171 16:48:45 <jjmarin> no more questions from me to me :P
 172 16:49:03 <API> ok
 173 16:49:13 <API> well, this meeting was fast
 174 16:49:14 <API> so
 175 16:49:19 <API> #topic Miscellaneous time
 176 16:49:38 <API> someone want to add something (short) not included on the agenda?
 177 16:52:16 <jjmarin> do you think #647711 and #665907 can be done in gnome 3.10 ?
 178 16:53:35 * API looking
 179 16:54:25 <API> well, about the stickikey one
 180 16:54:34 <API> the good news is that it received some attention
 181 16:54:40 <API> as soon as 3.8 was out
 182 16:55:14 <API> so hopefully, yes
 183 16:55:43 <API> I have more doubts about the second one
 184 16:56:00 <API> in the sense that stickykeys at least they are talking about how to implement that
 185 16:56:09 <API> they are already talking about developing
 186 16:56:17 <API> in the second one, about the size of the mouse pointer
 187 16:56:34 <API> taking into account aday comments, stuff seems more in the air
 188 16:57:26 <jjmarin> ok :-)
 189 16:58:47 <jjmarin> at least I will follow these bugs reports
 190 16:59:26 <jjmarin> and joanie has nothing more to say about "letters soup" ?
 191 16:59:42 <joanie> I still want to know how the accented letters are done
 192 17:00:20 <jjmarin> I think you can discard the accents :)
 193 17:00:43 <API> spanish alphabet soups has a lot of typos
 194 17:00:45 <joanie> I also wonder if there is alphabet soup for asian languages
 195 17:00:53 <joanie> and for that matter arabic and hebrew
 196 17:01:09 <joanie> misc time is misc
 197 17:01:13 <joanie> :)
 198 17:01:14 <API> and in order to end the mist time:
 199 17:01:16 <API> http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/241150/0/Faltan/letras/sopa/
 200 17:01:19 <API> in spanish!
 201 17:01:21 <API> meeting over
 202 17:01:25 <API> see you next time
 203 17:01:29 <API> #endmeeting