16:06:59 #startmeeting 16:06:59 Meeting started Thu Feb 28 16:06:59 2013 CET. The chair is API. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:06:59 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:07:14 #topic Stuff we must do between now and code freeze 16:07:40 #info yesterday we had a long conversation with Bastien Nocera about g-c-c, clutter-gtk and other stuff 16:08:29 #info although I wrote that thread if clutter-gtk is worthy or not, as I didn't know if clutter-gtk was worthy in genral 16:08:41 #info the thread didn't got too many conclusions 16:09:04 #info from the IRC chatting, conclusion was that g-c-c will stick with clutter-gtk, and doesn't plan to drop it in the short term 16:09:49 #info I got a hack to get key events back on g-c-c, joanie tested it with orca, so my plan is getting a real patch from that 16:10:16 #info apart from that, as I said last week, gnome-shell ui changed a little so a orca review is required to check if some a11y tweaks are required 16:10:37 #info in summary: API plans til code freeze will be clutter-gtk and gnome-shell ui review 16:10:37 done 16:11:08 #info Mike has patches for AT-SPI2's support for the new ATK get locale method. 16:11:30 #info Joanie still needs to test it, but Piñeiro said Mike might be changing the method names. 16:11:47 so one of us should check with mike 16:12:00 done on that front 16:12:29 what about the icon a11y bug ##681528 ? 16:12:29 04Bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=681528 normal, Normal, ---, gnome-shell-maint, UNCONFIRMED, universal access menu issues 16:12:40 yes I was hoping mgorse being ther efor the ping 16:13:13 well about that bug in theory there are people already taking a look 16:13:31 in fact bastien reopened it because what you select on gdm were not being 16:13:36 "transfered" to the user session 16:13:52 hmm, btw 16:13:57 in relation with this 16:14:04 and with stuff to do till code freeze 16:14:14 I updated the wiki page about key bindings 16:14:25 probably I would need to ping aday about that 16:14:45 #info API updated wiki page about GNOME keybindings, in relation with a11y keybindings 16:15:15 #action API will ping GNOME designers, so hopefully some default keybinding will be available for 3.8 16:15:34 yay! 16:15:53 API: if finally there is any change, it would be good to know to update gnome help docs. I can take charge of this. 16:16:32 jjmarin, ok thanks 16:16:42 ah mgorse as you have just arrived 16:16:53 we were wondering something: 16:16:58 Sorry. I completely forgot about the meeting until now. 16:17:03 mgorse, not problem 16:17:05 #info Mike has patches for AT-SPI2's support for the new ATK get locale method. 16:17:05 #info Joanie still needs to test it, but Piñeiro said Mike might be changing the method names. 16:17:11 mgorse, what is the status of this? 16:17:20 are you planning to change the method names? 16:17:47 Yeah. Sorry for not getting that pushed sooner. I'll push that now 16:18:47 mgorse: did we decide you will push the deprecation-related fix? 16:18:51 * joanie is getting senile 16:19:05 Yeah. I still need to do that, too. 16:19:13 mgorse, but as I asked, what do you plan to push? 16:19:22 your original patches or a equivalent version 16:19:33 with different method names (more similar to the atk ones)? 16:19:47 I'm renaming it to atspi_accessible_get_object_locale / objectLocale for pyatspi 16:20:58 ok 16:21:06 mgorse, btw, we were in the topic 16:21:11 Stuff we must do between now and code freeze 16:21:19 so if you want to add something here, you are welcome 16:21:22  16:21:26 sorry 16:21:29 froze 16:21:35 :D 16:21:46 and had to google 16:21:49 http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/12107/how-to-unfreeze-after-accidentally-pressing-ctrl-s-in-a-terminal 16:22:40 #info mgorse needs to commit a patch to remove a deprecation warning and a patch to add AT-SPI equivalents to atk_object_get_object_locale 16:22:41 done 16:22:55 mgorse, ok thanks 16:23:04 I saw y'all discussing gnome-control-center on IRC yesterday. Maybe you discussed that already 16:23:05 so anything else in this topic? 16:24:32 mgorse, yes, we discussed this a little 16:24:37 it was somewhat long 16:24:53 so probably it would be better if you wait until minutes of this meeting, instead of C&P again that 16:25:07 well, in fact I'm going to C&P that to you in private 16:25:33 so lets move 16:25:37 #topic GNOME 3.8 updates 16:25:50 hmm, not really sure if this is a lot different with previous topic 16:25:56 anyway, someone wants to add something here? 16:26:07 3.8 is stuff already done 16:26:41 and I've been in the stuff which still needs doing 16:26:44 :) 16:27:10 ok, in any case 16:27:16 I don't have any update here 16:27:25 so .... 16:27:28 any one? 16:29:07 ok, so lets move 16:29:18 I will skip w3c as joseph is not here 16:29:28 #topic Marketing 16:29:29 jjmarin, ? 16:30:03 #info Juanjo is working in updating the articles for the wikipedia. They need to improve in order to get enought level for being accepted. Don't surprise if I write to ask you thing about your projects for the articles :-) 16:30:48 #info The marketing team needs the list of features to highlight for the release notes https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointSeven/ReleaseNotes 16:31:26 jjmarin, if we get those default keybindings in place for 3.8 16:31:34 will be a easy add-on for the release-notes 16:31:43 yes 16:31:48 in the sense that it is not so technical as "memory leaks solved" 16:31:59 and btw, about the wikipedia articles... 16:32:09 are you taking a look to spanish ones? 16:32:16 We can add a section about the new thing in the a11y stack 16:32:16 or they didn't exist at all? 16:32:29 the new thing in the a11y stack? 16:32:31 which new thing? 16:33:13 I mean any improvements in the ATK/AT-SPI you think is remakable for users 16:33:45 ah yeah 16:33:57 but what I mean is that those improvements tend to be technical 16:34:08 talking about default key-bindings is "user-friendly" 16:35:09 I think that if this improvements means orca for example works better, we can add a line in the release notes 16:35:21 yes probably 16:35:51 and the other visual thing is gnome magnification work, though I'm not sure the status 16:36:01 jjmarin, afaik, no new stuff added 16:36:09 some features were proposed 16:36:16 but mclasen asked about that some time ago 16:36:27 and clown answered that he didnd't have time to finsh them 16:37:04 Ok, I thought the tint stuff was nearly finished 16:37:21 well, the relevant part there is "nearly" ;) 16:37:28 it is not finished and joseph 16:37:32 didn't have time to finish it 16:37:37 and after all 16:37:45 it is not only about finishing the feature 16:37:56 but also about adding the possibility to enable and configure it 16:38:13 and experience tells that sometimes that last part is the complex part 16:38:27 right 16:38:36 * API wonders if jjmarin missed API questions about wikipedia articles in spanish .... 16:38:58 I havent read the Spanish articles 16:39:27 jjmarin, that means that at least they exist? 16:39:34 yes 16:40:22 My intention is improve it as well :-) 16:40:22 ok 16:40:25 ok thanks 16:40:34 so anything else in this topic? 16:40:43 more questions or doubts from the rest of the people? 16:41:36 if any of you thinks there is something good to communicate for this release add a line to https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointSeven/ReleaseNotes 16:44:25 I think we can move forward then 16:46:11 sorry phone 16:46:23 anyway, it seems that there are no more questions on the topic 16:46:33 #topic Miscellaneous time 16:46:44 someone wants to add something not previusly scheduled? 16:48:07 yes 16:48:18 I have a question. Gail is the implementation of ATK for GTK+. The code is here http://git.gnome.org/browse/atk , right ? 16:48:53 jjmarin, no 16:48:59 in the old times it was here: 16:49:03 http://git.gnome.org/browse/gail 16:49:10 then it was moved to GTK+ as a module 16:49:19 and after Company revamp 16:49:23 on GTK+ itself 16:49:28 ATK is just the abstract headers 16:49:37 then each toolkit implementation is at the toolkit itself 16:49:47 like clutter, WebKit etc 16:50:06 ahhhhhh ;_) 16:50:37 then everything seems correct to me ;-) 16:51:28 good to know that things seems more correct that initially thought 16:51:30 having said so 16:51:50 no one else started to add questions or comments for this misc time 16:51:59 so I think that it is a sign that we should end the meeting 16:52:03 so thanks for coming 16:52:13 thanks to all ! 16:52:14 see you next week (for the meeting) on IRC every day 16:52:15 see you 16:52:18 #endmeeting