16:05:31 #startmeeting 16:05:31 Meeting started Thu Feb 14 16:05:31 2013 CET. The chair is API. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:05:31 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:05:49 #topic The Freeze is nearly here 16:06:34 #info As mathias clasen warned on desktop-devel and release team mailing list 16:06:36 https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2013-February/msg00024.html 16:06:47 #info "The next development 16:06:47 release will be 3.7.90, which is our beta release. After that, we will 16:06:47 enter the freeze, and start working on release notes." 16:07:06 #info please review cycle for 3.8 16:07:08 https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointSeven 16:07:41 * clown waves 16:07:49 #info 3.7.90 (official starting freeze) is planned for February 18 16:07:56 hi clown, I have just started 16:08:04 cool 16:08:06 first topic is basically a FYI 16:08:17 it is basically infoing this mail: 16:08:23 https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2013-February/msg00024.html 16:08:46 and I have finished, so unless someone (of the few people here) wants to make any question 16:08:52 I will move to next topic 16:09:04 * clown looks 16:09:45 no questions from me. 16:10:34 ok, so then I will move to next topic, somewhat related with the current one 16:10:51 #topic Other GNOME 3.8 updates 16:11:27 Hi all. Sorry for being so late. 16:11:28 #info Although I was not able to get a properly running gnome-shell in order to test bug 692706 16:11:29 04Bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=692706 normal, Normal, ---, clutter-maint, UNCONFIRMED, Frequent crash in cally_stage_notify_key_focus_cb 16:11:32 hi mgorse 16:11:32 mgorse, no problem 16:11:43 #info joanie was kind enough of trying it by herself 16:11:55 #info with the result of not being able to reproduce the bug 16:12:18 #info so the conclusion is that we would decrease the priority of that bug towards 3.8 16:12:49 #info Im personally moving to review clutter-gtk, figuring out how the events (specifically global key events) would work on this mixed-toolkit environment 16:13:23 #info probably I would need to ask ebassi about that, and also asking maintainer of modules using clutter-gtk to know how extensively clutter-gtk is being used 16:13:24 sounds like a frankenstein monster. 16:13:37 clown, yeah, in some sense clutter-gtk is a kind of monster 16:13:47 frankenstein monster 16:14:00 is it afraid of fire? 16:14:04 in that sense, Company opinion (probably half-joking) is that nobody should 16:14:13 use clutter-gtk because after all there are 16:14:21 an ongoing effort to integrate clutter on gtk 16:14:40 matthias answer was that although there are an ongoing effort, it is not clear when it would be ready 16:15:00 so right now the only option to get the effects and other stuff that provides clutter-gtk is basically ... using clutter-gtk 16:15:15 as we said on previous meeting, there are several modules using it 16:15:16 where does that leave the St toolkit? Pure clutter-based? 16:15:28 yes, st is purely clutter based 16:15:33 gnome-shell uses some gtk stuff 16:15:35 okay. 16:15:36 but afaik 16:15:49 it is not related to widgets itself 16:15:58 but about some of the utilities methods that gtk provides 16:16:03 so in summary 16:16:07 drawing methods? 16:16:25 #info Piñeiro efforts towards the freeze will be focused (until new orders) on clutter-gtk 16:16:31 clown, no, I don't think so 16:16:44 I think that are about system properties or themes or something like that 16:17:00 so, I0m done with my GNOME 3.8 update 16:17:02 others? 16:17:04 mgorse, joanie ? 16:17:07 yeah 16:17:14 #info Matthias has done additional fixes for gnome-control-center panels which we need to review. Joanie plans to do this. 16:17:19 #info Matthias as also proposed a patch related to bogus GtkNotebook accessibility events. It may be too extreme, so Joanie needs to test this with Orca. 16:17:41 #info Regarding Orca, Joanie is moving into bug-fixing mode and keeping things stable. 16:17:43 (done) 16:19:34 * API is not saying anything just in case someother wants to provide any addition lupdate 16:19:40 *additional update 16:20:04 #info pygobject has had another bug fixed related to ref count leaks 16:20:14 (yay) 16:20:21 #info this may or may not affect AT-SPI. mgorse is planning on testing whether the ref count leak is still around. 16:20:23 done 16:21:03 mgorse, as Company said last week, thanks for the good work in relation to leak removing bugfixing 16:21:52 Hopefully it will help. (That last fix I mentioned wasn't mine, fwiw) 16:21:56 ie, bug 687522 16:21:57 04Bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=687522 normal, Normal, ---, nobody, RESOLVED FIXED, Objects returned from vfuncs should maintain floating reference 16:21:58 a11y framework was always blamed for that kind of things, and although on last release mccann discovered that there are places with more leaks that a11y, it is good to keep working on killing that urband legend 16:22:23 * joanie nods 16:22:43 and after the (deserved) compliments 16:22:44 indeed 16:22:47 something else in this point? 16:22:48 moving? 16:24:30 no one saying anything so lets move 16:24:35 #topic W3C updates 16:24:38 clown, ? 16:25:07 not really much in terms of big news. There is one little item. I'll info it. 16:25:46 #info The latest public working draft of the Aria Authoring Best Practices was supposed to be released at the end of Jan. 16:26:21 #info It was delayed due to about half a dozen public commenters not having a response. 16:26:57 #info We (the working group) spent Monday morning crafting responses, and I have three edits to make to the document 16:27:08 #info New ETA of the draft will be end of Feb. 16:27:11 (done( 16:27:38 so, afaiu, it is a "since last update, we are in WIP mode" 16:27:40 right? 16:27:54 "WIP"? 16:28:04 "work in progress"? 16:28:05 yes. 16:28:30 ok, 16:28:34 well, in that sense 16:28:42 it is hard to make any question 16:28:44 at least for me 16:28:56 so unless anyother has any question, and taking int 16:29:03 into account that jjmarin has just arrived 16:29:03 you could ask why the sky is blue... 16:29:06 moving to next topic? 16:30:16 well nobody complaining 16:30:16 so 16:30:20 #topic Marketing 16:30:23 jjmarin, = 16:30:25 ? 16:30:27 any update? 16:30:39 no really 16:31:18 I have the drafts for everything, but they aren't final or published yet 16:32:18 ok, in that sense, I think that we can move to 16:32:20 last topic 16:32:27 so today it would be a light meeting 16:32:32 ok 16:32:39 so we could have more time for other stuff 16:32:40 fewer calories 16:32:44 #topic miscellaneous time 16:32:57 so, something not scheduled that you want to share in this meeting? 16:36:41 crickets crickets! 16:36:47 well, no misc comments 16:36:54 so lets finish the meeting 16:36:56 * clown must be losing my touch 16:36:59 just in case somebody arrives 16:37:04 I will add a new topic 16:38:04 #topic For people arriving late: today agenda was light, so we finished early. Next time, arrive on time ;) 16:38:16 I will end the meeting at the usual hour 16:38:18 * joanie grins 16:38:22 anyway, thanks for coming 16:38:29 and go to work 16:38:32 remember first topic 16:38:39 3.7.90 (so freeze) is near 16:38:45 brace yourselves 16:38:45 freezepocalypse 16:38:48 thanks API 16:38:53 brrrrr! 16:38:57 it's chilly in here. 16:42:17 the accelerators are back in nautilus and evince :-) 16:43:34 there is a general problem with nmenonics (I don't know how to spell this) 17:38:08 #endmeeting