- Meeting started by Piñeiro at 16:07:41 CET.
- Meeting ended at 17:21:52 CET.
- Participants (Lines Said):
- Joanie - joanie (125)
- Joseph - clown (86)
- Piñeiro - API (82)
- Juanjo - jjmarin1 (12)
- Mike - mgorse (4)
- Heidi - heidi (1)
Python 3 (Are we there yet?)
- Accerciser is not fully working for Joanie in Python 3.3.
- Accerciser's Interface viewer is not showing states (at least)
- ACTION: Joanie will triage the python 3.3 failures in Accerciser and submit patches so that we are fully working.
- The Magnification example is not yet python 3 compatible either.
- Conclusion: We are not there yet.
GNOME 3.8 updates
- This week is GNOME 3.7.3 release.
- We have a number of changes which have been on the TODO list since the ATK/AT-SPI2 hackfest in May 2011.
- Joanie thinks it is high time we start addressing those items.
- What we do w.r.t. API changes and possible breaks still needs to be discussed.
- But changes to ATK will then require changes in AT-SPI2 and pyatspi.
- And then in the ATs like Orca and Accerciser.
- And then we'll request toolkits implement those things.
- Thus Joanie feels that if we indeed wish to tackle these things for the GNOME 3.8 release, we need to start the ATK stuff now.
- Joanie forgot to research how far back the Glib equivalent functions for GObject functions go.
- The editor's draft of the Independent UI events is almost ready for the next step.
- That next step is "working draft" status.
Any who are interested in tracking progress, the editor's draft is here: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/IndieUI/raw-file/tip/src/indie-ui-events.html
- Also, a question has come up about the place of the aria role "toolbar" within the aria taxonomy.
- Tt has been suggested that toolbars are "composite widgets".
- There has been one strong objection to this.
- The objection is based on this other aria requirement: Authors SHOULD ensure that a composite widget exist as a single navigation stop within the larger navigation system of the web page. Once the composite widget has focus, authors SHOULD provide a separate navigation mechanism for users to navigate to elements that are descendants or owned children of the composite element.
- Some feel that making a toolbar navigable with only TAB keystrokes is a pain point for a keyboard only users.
- Others feel that requiring authors to have a dual navigation system (TAB to get to the toolbar, arrows to navigate within) is onerous for every toolbar scenario.
- DHTML Style Guide recommended that dual nav system for toolbars, and other widgets. Their recommendation was folded into the ARIA best practices guide.
- The consensus among the gnome a11y developers present at this meeting is that the dual nav systme is appropriate for toolbars.
The outdated 'GNOME Desktop Accessibility Guide' link is now assigned to the updated 'Universal access' section from the gnome help (Bug 688491).
This means that we can consider the 'Universal access' section from gnome help as the official manual for our users. http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
- Juanjo only was able to make a small change in this document so far, but his intention is help on keeping the a11y pages updated.
Reminder: Q3's (maybe?)
- This is not only a reminder, but an update.
- It was suggested that it would be good to change the current procedure.
- Tt seems that doing the quarterly reports were not really popular.
- We were some of the "good kids" in spite of being almost always over deadline.
- The marketing team (and others?) are still in process of getting proposals.
- On the topic of accessibility shortcuts:
- Piñeiro fulfilled his AI of pinging the Design Team about accessibility shortcuts.
- Juanjo wants to note that gnome shell doesn't use the tab/arrow keys model in the dash, it uses the arrows-or-tab/menu key. The problem of the menu key is that it is not widely available in all keyboards.
- Piñeiro points out that it was proposed as as a replacement to the contrl+alt+tab switcher, i.e. Use tab to move around the main container of the shell, and the arrows inside.
- Piñeiro is not sure if this is being developed or not, and in any case he proposed to keep the ctrl+alt+tab switcher there.
- Piñeiro pinged Peter Korn about the JAW thing, waiting response.
What Animated Spanish Dwarfs Sing (in case you were wondering)
- On the topic of the use of the FoG funds:
- Bastien and Karen are drafting a document for David Bolter's consideration because some of the money is the original Mozilla donation to GNOME.
- Joanie believes that draft will go to David at the end of the week and pending approval, the request for proposals written
- Joanie has had to recuse herself because of conflicts of interest.
- Triage the python 3.3 failures in Accerciser and submit patches so that we are fully working.
Ongoing / Rolled-Over
- Do a full evaluation of the accessibility breakage in Evolution 3.6 and file bugs accordingly.
- Take a look at the current a11y material in order to make an action plan.
- Create some usability-configurability related bugs, using Bryen's mail as a starting point.
- Investigate that "Enable by Keyboard" thing.
Update the AtkObject:children-changed documentation, as this could be also used on ATK implementors.