16:06:21 #startmeeting 16:06:21 Meeting started Thu Oct 25 16:06:21 2012 CET. The chair is API. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:06:21 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:06:41 * API realizes that today we have a light agenda 16:06:49 #topic GNOME 3.6.2 and/or 3.8 updates 16:07:06 #info API was working on a gnome-shell dash accessibility support regression 16:07:22 #info patch provided, waiting for review 16:07:58 #info that was a 3.6.0 to 3.6.1 regression, hopefully will be fixed for 3.6.2 16:08:09 nothing to add to 3.8 or 3.6.1 (AFAIR) 16:08:10 otherS? 16:09:00 #info a Debian developer filed bug 686667, which mgorse will need to look at and fix for 3.6.2 16:09:00 04Bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=686667 normal, Normal, ---, liyuan, UNCONFIRMED, closes a shared libdbus connection 16:09:47 #info Orca has been surprisingly 3.6.x regression free (so far, knock on wood). 16:10:28 #info Accerciser has been giving Joanie problems however. She has not yet had time to look into them. 16:10:28 #info Joseph is trying out Fedora 18 alpha, and updating the system periodically. 16:10:36 yay f18! :) 16:10:40 that's what I use. 16:11:02 #info Joseph is still seeing that pyatspi2 is stuck at 2.2.25 (need to check that version number). 16:11:10 #info the WebKitGtk a11y crasher fixes made it in to the most recent stable release. 16:11:55 * clown looking up the version number... 16:12:31 * joanie remembered another issue 16:13:12 #info Epiphany chat is not accessible due to a bug in WebKitGtk. Joanie does not believe it to be a regression per se in WebKit, but she is not positive. 16:13:33 ugh 16:13:47 #info Empathy chat is not accessible due to a bug in WebKitGtk. Joanie does not believe it to be a regression per se in WebKit, but she is not positive. 16:13:49 #info Joseph is finding that pyatspi2 is stuck at 2.5.92, even thoug other updates are marked '3.6.1' 16:14:07 #info pyatspi2 should be at least 2.6 16:14:18 (done) 16:14:23 clown: file a bug against Fedora 16:14:43 joanie: okay, where? and what about other distros? 16:14:44 #info Joanie is still wondering what the Release Team will decide about Python 3. 16:14:55 clown: other distros do their own thing 16:15:03 I just know about Fedora because I use it 16:15:21 ah, true, and as you mentioned, we don't have a python3 item on next agenda, ... probably it would be good to ping them 16:15:22 and that thing is? (I just know about Fedora) 16:15:28 about that pyatspi version thing 16:15:37 API isn't that already on your agenda? 16:15:48 as I pinged the RT in IRC and then emailed you? 16:15:57 as it seems that it became a constant error, shouldn't someone pinged somebody 16:16:05 ? 16:16:06 joanie, let me see last mail aboug that 16:16:25 * clown thinks that two conversations are happening at once. 16:16:46 didn't take my dexedrine so I am in full-force-adhd mode 16:16:52 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/ 16:17:24 joanie, no mail sent to release-team list with respect to python3 16:17:38 so sorry for not sending a mail as soon as you sent me that mail 16:17:44 API I emailed you privately and pinged in IRC 16:17:46 ah 16:18:00 is there an agenda yet? 16:18:02 yes, I read that private mail, but I didn't react properly 16:18:07 not saying that 16:18:15 you don't need to react until it's NOT on the agenda 16:18:16 at this moment there is just a list of possible topics 16:18:20 as Matthias said it would be 16:18:25 but usually possible topics became agenda 16:18:41 ok, could you please officially ask about it then? 16:18:57 well, in that case matthias probably will raise the topic at the meeting but he didn't send any mail 16:19:00 as I keep saying, I don't care what the decision is as much as I care about there being a decision 16:19:12 because the two-branch thang is doable, but not fun 16:19:22 this is the last mail mentioning topics for mext meeting: 16:19:24 https://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2012-October/msg00040.html 16:19:28 s/mext/next 16:19:46 yeah that was before my ping in #release-team 16:19:59 after the meeting, I'll send you the brief chat from that 16:20:02 #info joanie wonders about what would happen with python3 on 3.8 16:20:04 so that you have it in context 16:20:26 #action API will send a mail to release-team ml in order to include this as topic on the next release-team meeting 16:20:35 tyvvvvvvm 16:20:36 :) 16:21:12 #info Javi was asking about it too, so it's not *just* Joanie. :) 16:22:20 well, that info was about this meeting ;) 16:22:26 * jjmarin would like to know if help icons for sticky keys, etc will be in the roadmap for GNOME 3.8, AFAIK it was mentioned in that in the 3.6 cycle there were conversations with the design team 16:22:29 anyway, anything else on this 3.6.2/3.8 topic? 16:23:00 jjmarin, well, as usual the problem with that kind of features is that somebody needs to do that stuff 16:23:15 so we could ping people, like design folks 16:23:32 in order to know if they want to work on that feature or not 16:23:50 and just in case people on the meeting are not aware 16:23:58 jjmarin was talking about bug 647711 16:23:58 04Bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=647711 normal, Normal, ---, gnome-shell-maint, UNCONFIRMED, Stickykeys does not have a notification system 16:24:14 actually I have a related question: 16:24:22 last three comments are related with "how this should be implemented" 16:24:24 do we have someone how is going to do the Orca design? 16:24:34 it's clear it should not be me 16:25:11 joanie, now Im lost, what is the relation between sticky keys design and orca design? 16:25:24 16:23:00 <@API> jjmarin, well, as usual the problem with that kind of features is that somebody needs to do that stuff 16:25:27 16:23:15 <@API> so we could ping people, like design folks 16:25:35 ah, ok 16:25:42 you said that the day I was not at Boston Summit, Matthias asked 16:25:50 well, in that sentence I was just specifically talking about sticky keys one 16:25:54 in the case of Orca 16:26:01 I mentioned that Felipe was working on that 16:26:09 aha 16:26:12 so in that case "ping design people" means ping Felipe 16:26:17 ok 16:26:31 in the case of sticky keys mean ping Alan, and perhaps Matthias or Mat Brown 16:26:44 #action Joanie will ping Felipe about the design for moving Orca's preferences to the control center. 16:26:53 ok 16:26:56 lets add actions 16:27:04 Note that that sticky keys notification is *not* here: https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointSeven/Features 16:27:11 someone volunteering to ping Allan about the notification stuff= 16:27:41 clown, well, as usual we came to the problem of "when something new is a feature or just a improvement of current features" 16:27:48 what I mean is that there are small stuff 16:27:53 API, yeah sure. 16:27:56 that are planned for 3.8 16:28:00 but not included as a new feature 16:28:31 I was assuming that stickykeys notification was just a regression fix 16:28:53 ok 16:29:04 but probably this is something that we can conclude as soon as we ping people 16:29:12 jjmarin, as you raised the topic 16:29:22 could you ping allan day about that bug for 3.8? 16:29:42 at least to know if there will be someone willing to take a look to that 16:30:04 #info Juanjo will ping Allan Day about the sticky keys bug 16:30:14 should be an action. 16:30:28 #action Juanjo will ping Allan Day about the sticky keys bug 16:30:30 :-) 16:30:32 :-) 16:30:33 :) 16:30:58 quick! take a picture. everyone is smiling 16:31:11 |-) 16:31:12 API isn't 16:31:17 hahahaha 16:31:17 ups, I'm with the closed eyes 16:31:19 rimshot 16:31:21 soo 16:31:25 what is that? is API asleep? 16:31:32 silly leader is silly 16:31:37 no need to worry about red-eye. 16:31:42 and he never EVER smiles in pictures 16:31:47 anyother thing in this topic? 16:33:26 is the sound ... of the silence 16:33:35 ok, I will assume that no comment 16:33:39 means nothing else 16:33:44 so moving to next topic 16:33:57 #topic Marketing 16:33:59 jjmarin, ? 16:36:10 #info Well, the little time I spend in checking the accessibility project web page conclude that we have updated information 16:36:27 jjmarin, updated or outdated? 16:36:35 sorry 16:36:46 #info Well, the little time I spend in checking the accessibility project web page conclude that we have outdated information 16:37:08 so, I think it's better start with some cleaning of very old stuff 16:37:24 well, as I said (not remember the day) 16:37:33 one little task while reviewing 16:37:38 is properly classiffy outdated pages 16:37:52 in the sense that if someone is looking for an old gnome2 accessibility page 16:37:59 they could know that it is a gnome2 accessibility page 16:39:26 we (I think for joanie) put old wikie stuff in a different space https://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Documentation/GNOME2 16:39:50 yeah but that was for live.gnome.org 16:40:05 but most people that arrive to #a11y making questions based on outdated documentation 16:40:19 were reading projects.gnome.org 16:40:35 afair, you were also reviewing projects.gnome.org right? 16:40:40 I'm thinking about put there the Demos and Talks section from the a11y project page 16:41:12 because it's old GNOME 2 stuff 16:43:02 Do you agree with this move ? 16:43:14 probably 16:43:21 a diff would be good 16:43:49 I know is a baby step form improving this, is just the first one 16:44:36 what do you mean with a diff ? 16:46:27 joanie, ^ 16:46:29 to change the project pages you have to checkout the module 16:46:35 via git 16:46:54 to know if I agree with your proposed change, I would need to see the proposed change 16:47:08 therefore I am suggesting making a patch before committing the change 16:47:22 so that we can see what you are proposing specifically before you go through with it 16:48:56 My idea was put this info in https://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Documentation/GNOME2 16:49:15 and change what in projects? 16:49:25 anyway, we are deep diving 16:49:35 http://projects.gnome.org/accessibility/talks/talks.html 16:49:52 http://projects.gnome.org/accessibility/screencasts.html 16:50:13 * clown looks 16:50:29 jjmarin, so your idea is totally forgot that underdeveloped section at projects and start to use live.gnome.org? 16:50:33 The idea is clean what is not going to be useful for GNOME 3 stuff 16:50:41 again that seems as having the same in two different places 16:50:48 in my opinion the two options are: 16:50:54 * complete that section at projects 16:51:11 b) switch to live.gnome.org, removing the one at projects 16:51:39 anyway, I think that all those details are "too much detail" for the meeting 16:51:46 that is basically informative 16:51:52 ok 16:52:03 so, could we finish that topic here, and talk about documentation in other moment/plac? 16:52:08 s/plac/place 16:52:09 I think about this just a preliminary work 16:52:16 so 16:52:19 jjmarin, ok, btw, thank you ;) 16:52:53 we can think deeply by in the a11y list I think 16:53:11 jjmarin, yes, makes sense, as I can't talk about that on #a11y after the meeting 16:53:30 so, lets move to next topic 16:53:33 #topic Reminder: Q3's 16:53:34 #action Juanjo will start a thread in the a11y list about how to revamp the information about GNOME a11y 16:55:04 #action Joseph will add to the Q3 a11y report in terms of magnifier work. 16:55:05 #info please remember to fill the Q3 report 16:55:22 * joanie looks guilty and says "yessir" 16:55:24 ;) 16:55:26 API, deadline? 16:55:35 everybody please generalize clown action 16:55:53 not sure, joanie do you know something about the deadline? 16:55:56 #action Team members will do their Q3's 16:55:56 since you and joanie are responsible for summarizing the a11y report. 16:56:01 * joanie looks 16:56:46 https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/QuarterlyReports/2012/Q3 16:56:49 This is a rough draft of the 2012 Q3 report. Please add your teams update at the bottom and remove your name from the list of those needed. Thanks! 16:56:52 Due Date: TBA 16:57:10 okay, I'll have it done by then! 16:57:13 :) 16:57:15 thank you 16:57:42 so, as I think that we don't need too much here 16:57:46 #topic miscellaneous time 16:58:03 has someone something (short) to add not scheduled at agenda? 17:00:01 what about the projects funded with the a11y campaing ? 17:00:21 We are waiting to hear back from Bastien 17:00:30 ok 17:02:20 nobody else wants to play in the miscellaneous time :-) 17:03:12 we had our little misc-foolish time before 17:03:20 about photos and eyes open/closed 17:04:43 true, you can open your eyes now, no more pics for today ;-) 17:04:48 heh 17:04:51 *flash* 17:04:56 * joanie winces 17:05:08 0-| 17:05:15 cyclops 17:05:33 although that was more like polyphemus photo 17:05:37 so having said so 17:05:42 closing the meeting 17:05:47 thanks everybody 17:05:49 #endmeeting