1 16:06:42 <joanie> #startmeeting
   2 16:06:42 <tota11y> Meeting started Thu Oct 18 16:06:42 2012 CET.  The chair is joanie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
   3 16:06:42 <tota11y> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
   4 16:06:55 <joanie> #topic GNOME 3.6.2 and/or 3.8 updates
   5 16:07:02 <clown> https://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Meetings
   6 16:07:36 <joanie> #info Seems that we need to get accessibility support implemented in clutter-gtk
   7 16:07:40 <joanie> what else?
   8 16:08:01 <joanie> clown: multi-monitor support for mag?
   9 16:08:17 <clown> I'm not volunteering for anything, but something should be done for mult-monitor support in gs-mag.
  10 16:08:26 * clown like ships passing...
  11 16:08:27 <joanie> info?
  12 16:08:29 <joanie> heh
  13 16:09:07 <clown> #info As GNOME Shell's support to multiple monitors has progressed, how the magnifier works in that scenario should be updated.
  14 16:09:33 <clown> questions?
  15 16:09:33 <joanie> And since you are not volunteering, what is the prognosis for 3.8?
  16 16:09:52 <clown> 3.8 is in March?
  17 16:09:57 <joanie> yeah
  18 16:10:43 <clown> my gut says that unless priorities change (aka focus tracking), it's unlikely it will happen for 3.8.
  19 16:11:00 <joanie> priorities meaning what?
  20 16:11:07 <joanie> i.e. focus tracking getting skipped?
  21 16:11:45 <clown> yeah — if multi-monitor is considered more important than focus tracking (and I'm the one doing the work), then...
  22 16:11:50 <clown> well, actualy,
  23 16:11:52 <joanie> aha
  24 16:11:59 <joanie> no focus tracking is far more important
  25 16:12:01 <clown> even under those circumstances, I think it unlikely.
  26 16:12:36 <joanie> #info Multi-monitor support for mangification seems highly unlikely in time for 3.8.
  27 16:14:30 <joanie> ok
  28 16:14:39 <joanie> stuff to think about
  29 16:14:45 <joanie> mgorse: any updates?
  30 16:16:32 * joanie hums a happy tune
  31 16:17:09 <joanie> in the meantime since danigm is here
  32 16:17:26 <joanie> any updates on your plans to finish the Evince a11y work?
  33 16:18:05 <mgorse> mclasen has done some work on gtk towards cleaning up the headers, which should help with the evince work for one thing, once they are made public
  34 16:18:15 <joanie> mgorse: mind infoing?
  35 16:18:42 <mgorse> #info mclasen has been working on cleaning up the gtk+ accessibility headers, in preparation or making them public
  36 16:18:50 <joanie> (thanks!)
  37 16:18:54 <mgorse> s/or/for/
  38 16:20:10 <joanie> any other updates from mgorse? Is that weird message about dbus that ... whoever those devs in #a11y are ... mentioned gone?
  39 16:20:32 <danigm> joanie: sorry, no updates yet
  40 16:20:57 <joanie> #info Daniel has no updates with respect to Evince Accessibility
  41 16:21:40 <mgorse> #info mgorse removed a warning that was being displayed any time an AT started and tried to inspect itself (ie, when direct D-Bus connections are not being used)
  42 16:22:12 <joanie> aha. So Orca was seeing it if the braille monitor or prefs window were showing.
  43 16:23:32 <joanie> anything else from anyone regarding 3.6.2 and/or 3.8?
  44 16:23:35 <mgorse> though the warning was essentially harmless, other than cluttering up the log, since libatspi should fall back to using the a11y bus
  45 16:24:12 <joanie> yeah, I didn't see any consequences after the warning
  46 16:24:19 <joanie> but no one likes "scary" warnings :)
  47 16:25:56 <joanie> ok, if there's nothing else
  48 16:26:07 <joanie> #topic Marketing
  49 16:26:19 <joanie> we're not really fundraising now that fog is over
  50 16:26:27 <joanie> #info Q3's are due
  51 16:26:37 <joanie> #info Joanie lapsed on Q2s due to being insanely busy
  52 16:26:43 <joanie> #info Joanie will not lapse again :)
  53 16:27:14 <joanie> (I took a few days off after Grace Hopper and Boston Summit and slept for like 16 hours a day)
  54 16:27:24 <joanie> anyhoo, anything else on this front?
  55 16:27:31 <clown> https://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/QuarterlyReports/2012/Q3
  56 16:28:28 <clown> joanie, what is the deadline so that you and API can do your summary for the main Q3 report.?
  57 16:28:43 <joanie> I would have to look
  58 16:28:46 <joanie> I suppose I can :)
  59 16:29:07 <joanie> says TBA
  60 16:29:14 <joanie> https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/QuarterlyReports/2012/Q3
  61 16:30:13 <joanie> #info There is currently no deadline for the Q3's
  62 16:31:31 * joanie moves on
  63 16:31:40 <joanie> #topic "Miscellaneous Time"
  64 16:32:14 <joanie> We have no ops. /me goes to take care of that.
  65 16:33:07 <clown> such power!
  66 16:33:30 <clown> "Thanatos?"
  67 16:33:37 <joanie> I love that nick
  68 16:33:48 <joanie> one of the ops
  69 16:34:29 <joanie> since we're being misc....
  70 16:34:40 <joanie> there was some discussion on the foundation list about irc support
  71 16:35:06 <joanie> the sysadmin team and/or Bastien (with his Board hat on) will be coordinating with the "owners" of gimpnet
  72 16:35:18 <joanie> so we can have nickserv and chanserv and whateverserv
  73 16:35:21 <joanie> like freenode
  74 16:35:25 <clown> cool
  75 16:35:26 <joanie> (and everyone else)
  76 16:36:14 <clown> that measn we might have to register our nicks.
  77 16:36:25 <joanie> oh noes!
  78 16:36:26 <joanie> :)
  79 16:38:15 <joanie> so... anything else?
  80 16:38:29 <joanie> minion uprising plans given API is away
  81 16:39:02 <clown> anyone know if 3.6.1 is "out" yet?
  82 16:39:10 * joanie observes that API likely takes comfort in knowing we couldn't uprise effectively
  83 16:39:20 <joanie> should be
  84 16:39:29 <joanie> but dunno if the official release was done
  85 16:39:31 * joanie looks
  86 16:39:47 <joanie> not on gnome-announce
  87 16:39:53 * joanie looks on release team list
  88 16:40:13 <clown> I looked on gnome.org, and it's still offering a live CD of 3.6
  89 16:40:23 <clown> http://www.gnome.org/getting-gnome/
  90 16:40:46 <clown> but, maybe there is another place?
  91 16:40:55 <joanie> or someone other than the RT does that work
  92 16:41:15 <clown> I also have a machine with Fedora 18 alpha installed.  I'll check to see what happens if I do an update.
  93 16:41:25 <joanie> yay for f18
  94 16:41:31 <joanie> I have two machines
  95 16:41:33 <mgorse> The tarballs should have been posted, but I haven't seen a "GNOME 3.6.1 released"-type announcement
  96 16:41:40 <joanie> didn't see if 3.6.1 was done
  97 16:41:58 <joanie> yeah, tarballs are done. question is: did fredp get the release out the door yet
  98 16:42:22 <joanie> often it doesn't happen when it is "due" (wed after the mon tarballs due date)
  99 16:43:33 <joanie> seems like if we are going to stage a minion uprising, Sunday is the day. https://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2012-October/msg00015.html :P
 100 16:43:43 <joanie> anyhhhhoooooo.... anything else?
 101 16:44:01 * clown reads
 102 16:44:30 * clown impressed that people meet on sat.
 103 16:44:44 <joanie> RT puts in extra hours. definitely.
 104 16:45:33 * joanie raises gavel
 105 16:46:18 * joanie looks for fingers
 106 16:46:24 <joanie> #endmeeting