16:06:59 <API> #startmeeting
16:06:59 <tota11y> Meeting started Thu Apr 26 16:06:59 2012 CET.  The chair is API. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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16:07:12 <API> #topic Q1's are due (Andre's announcement and a11y team planning page)
16:07:30 <API> #info Q1 are due
16:07:32 <API> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-web-list/2012-April/msg00004.html
16:07:38 <API> https://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/QuarterlyReports/2012/Q1
16:08:04 <API> #info current deadline May 11, 2012
16:08:14 * joanie waves to shaunm
16:08:26 <API> so please if you have something to fill on Q1
16:08:41 <API> although I guess that it would be really similar to what we wrote for 3.4 release notes
16:08:47 <API> questions, doubts?
16:09:03 <clown> API, what is your deadline?  I know Andre's is 11 May...
16:09:24 <API> clown, I don't understand
16:09:26 <API> my deadline?
16:09:38 <clown> usually we contribute to the a11y Q report page, then you and Joanie edit and transfer to the gnome Q report.
16:09:43 <API> as you said May 11 is Andre deadline
16:09:47 <API> ah, true
16:09:52 <joanie> clown: 10 May
16:09:54 <joanie> ;)
16:09:59 <clown> cool.
16:10:11 <joanie> it's not too hard to tweak and submit
16:10:20 <joanie> especially not with the new "kiss" format
16:10:25 <clown> depending on how verbose I am ;-)
16:10:30 <joanie> no great american novels needed
16:10:45 <joanie> yeah, I used to be verbose too, but no other gnome team is
16:11:07 <clown> that's fine.  I don't want to spend too much time on it anyway.  kiss is good.
16:11:10 <joanie> great CANADIAN novels
16:11:14 <joanie> mea culpa
16:11:29 <clown> what about great Spanish novels?
16:11:33 <jjmarin> I prefer comic books format :-)
16:11:37 <clown> lol
16:11:50 <API> Quixote was also too long for this
16:11:55 <API> tweet format is ok
16:11:56 <joanie> lol
16:12:12 <clown> goal:  to dream the impossible dream
16:12:29 <joanie> anyway, moving on?
16:12:37 <joanie> since we have a guest with an agenda item?
16:12:43 <API> yes, thyinking on the same
16:12:53 <API> #topic Collaborating with Shaun McCance for openhelpconference.com
16:13:05 * clown looks up link
16:13:05 <API> joanie, shaunm I guess that it is your topic
16:13:27 <joanie> I can go if shaunm is lurking
16:13:43 <joanie> I have pre-typed #info's and quotes from his and my conversation even :)
16:14:08 <jjmarin> tricky !
16:14:13 <clown> smart!
16:14:27 <joanie> nah, shaunm said he had a doctor's appt so I wasn't expecting him
16:14:40 <joanie> well, I'll start and he can interrupt or add as needed
16:14:48 <joanie> #info Shaun McCance is hosting a conference (openhelpconference.com).
16:14:56 <shaunm> oh
16:14:57 <joanie> #info To use his words, "I really think docs people need to be more aware of a11y. I know a lot of people are interested, but often clueless -- or only partially clued, like me. I'm curious if you know of anybody who might want to present about creating more accessible help, where more accessible help is basically equivalent to more accessible web-like content."
16:15:02 <joanie> lol
16:15:19 <joanie> #info If there is anyone who would be interested in presenting, they should chat with Shaun.
16:15:27 <joanie> #info Joanie is of the opinion, however, that Shaun can do a great job of this himself, but could benefit from our input. She suggested he could collaborate with our team to generate the session content which Shaun would then present. Shaun is fine with this as well.
16:15:35 <joanie> okay we are minute-ified
16:15:39 <joanie> shaunm: please elaborate
16:15:41 <joanie> floor is yours
16:16:10 <shaunm> that was pretty good
16:16:42 <shaunm> I've been putting together some notes for a talk
16:17:10 <shaunm> and I have some knowledge, but I'd appreciate some help from the experts
16:18:01 <shaunm> what I'd be really interested to see is lists of things to do and things not to do for hypertext and multimedia content
16:18:36 <shaunm> or if you have fun examples of things people think they should do that don't help at all
16:20:15 <clown> there's the "classic"  background images and how they create problems in high contrast mode...
16:20:27 <clown> in web pages, that is.
16:20:56 <clown> is that the kind of thing you are looking for, shaunm?
16:21:14 <shaunm> generally yeah
16:21:34 <shaunm> not expecting the whole meeting to go into a "list things for shaunm" mode
16:21:36 <clown> okay, I'll think some more about it (in my spare time).
16:21:50 <clown> also, there is a mozilla doc sprint this weekend, and one of my co-workers (Anastasia) is there ...
16:21:51 <shaunm> and I have been looking over this: http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/quickref/
16:21:53 <joanie> should we put a wiki page up?
16:22:02 <clown> I wonder if openhelp will include another doc sprint for mozilla, and if she will be there.
16:22:13 <clown> I'll touch base with her.
16:22:15 <shaunm> clown: she was there last year
16:22:44 <clown> she would be a good co-presenter, but i'm *not* voluteering her.
16:22:48 <shaunm> joanie: that could be helpful
16:23:20 <joanie> #action Joanie will start a wiki page on the Accessibility Team wiki so we can jot down thoughts as they occur to us.
16:24:01 <shaunm> thanks
16:24:28 <joanie> #action Joanie will then announce it on the mailing list for everyone not present here.
16:24:35 <joanie> you bet
16:24:41 <joanie> thanks for doing it!
16:25:06 <API> so, I guess that it is the moment in which I interrupt with
16:25:09 <API> questions, doubts?
16:25:13 <joanie> heh
16:26:51 <API> no questions no doubts
16:26:54 <API> moving on?
16:27:00 <joanie> yeah
16:27:27 <API> #topic Ohio Linux Fest?
16:27:30 <API> jjmarin, ?
16:27:38 <jjmarin> hi !
16:29:24 <jjmarin> #info Juanjo ask Bryen about his idea for the OLF. Basically the idea is to set up a booth and actitivities like the a11y team members have already done in CSUN.
16:31:15 <joanie> w.r.t. activities, the call for papers/presentations is closed, right?
16:31:30 <joanie> so really, we're being asked to send people to do booth duty (right??)
16:31:39 <jjmarin> yes, I think the formal talks are closed
16:31:43 <joanie> k
16:31:58 <shaunm> so I'm really close to OLF
16:32:03 <shaunm> geographically
16:32:09 <jjmarin> but he said we can organize workshops asking to the OFL organization
16:32:15 <mgorse> Oh, yeah, even for being in the US, you're close
16:32:23 * joanie nods
16:32:44 <shaunm> I can't really organize anything, but if you need a booth staffer, let me know
16:32:54 <joanie> I was looking at flights, but nothing seems to fly directly into columbus
16:33:23 <shaunm> joanie: you might have better luck flying into cincinnati and driving up
16:33:38 <joanie> true
16:33:46 <joanie> thanks shaunm
16:33:58 <joanie> that might shave a couple of hundred off the flights
16:34:16 <shaunm> and if I go and our schedules line up, you could just ride up with me
16:34:27 <joanie> that would be even cooler
16:34:59 <joanie> so... the question remains should I plan on going, given that I can go.
16:35:09 <joanie> put a question mark in there
16:36:22 <jjmarin> ok, I think we must confirm you can go if we set up an a11y booth
16:36:36 <jjmarin> I'll ask Bryen for a confirmation
16:37:12 <joanie> jjmarin: yeah, we need a final word from him. If I should go, I'll plan on it. If it is some vague I dunno, then I won't
16:37:41 <jjmarin> sure
16:37:48 <joanie> thank you :)
16:38:50 <API> soo
16:38:55 <jjmarin> I don't if mgorse has enough info about the OFL for adding more ?
16:39:00 <API> could anyone summarize this on pretty invo?
16:39:03 <API> pretty info?
16:39:13 * joanie looks at jjmarin
16:39:14 <joanie> :)
16:39:36 <jjmarin> #info Juanjo will confirm an a11y booth for the OFL ASAP
16:39:48 <mgorse> I'll plan on going if people think I need to be there, I guess (and people keep looking at me...)
16:40:41 <jjmarin> mgorse: ok, thanks
16:41:15 <jjmarin> net topic then
16:41:17 <mgorse> which brings up the question of whether we should try to organize a workshop, and what that would look like
16:41:20 <jjmarin> next
16:41:54 <joanie> mgorse: indeed
16:41:56 <API> jjmarin, next topic?
16:42:17 <joanie> one sec
16:42:19 <jjmarin> ok, let's wait for the confirmation of booth and posibility of workshops
16:42:32 * API will wait until receive a green light
16:42:46 <joanie> #action Joanie will add the possibility of organizing a workshop at the Ohio Linux Fest to next meeting's agenda.
16:43:00 <joanie> (we can always remove it pending jjmarin's findings)
16:43:07 <joanie> API: thanks. I am done.
16:43:08 <joanie> :)
16:43:11 <API> ok
16:43:17 <API> any other?
16:43:23 <API> doubts questions or moving on?
16:44:17 <API> silence, so I assume moving on
16:44:23 <API> #topic Feature proposal for 3.6
16:44:44 <API> #info last week action was the following: After some researching, will bring enabling accessibility by default 3.6 to the accessibility list. If appropriate, based on the outcome of the subsequent discussion, Piñeiro will propose it as feature.
16:45:02 <API> #info I made that research and send a email to gnome-accessibility
16:45:11 <API> #info finally after some mails and IRC chat
16:45:29 <API> #info the feature proposed was a compromise
16:45:50 <API> #info for the moment, just change the default value of 'toolkit-accessibility' from false to true
16:46:04 <API> proposal here:
16:46:05 <API> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2012-April/msg00107.html
16:46:28 <API> #info some people made some question, some answers were sentfor the moment the feedback is positive
16:46:41 <API> done
16:46:44 <API> questions, doubts?
16:46:52 <joanie> not from me
16:46:58 <joanie> I think it's a great step forward
16:47:53 <jjmarin> exactly !
16:48:02 <clown> looks good.
16:49:43 <API> well, it seems that no questions
16:49:44 <API> so moving
16:49:49 <API> #topic Marketing and Fundraising
16:49:50 <API> jjmarin, ?
16:50:00 <clown> just a sec.
16:50:07 <clown> I have a quick update for the last topic...
16:50:22 <API> clown, features?
16:50:25 <clown> yup.
16:50:33 <API> #topic Feature proposal for 3.6
16:50:35 <joanie> api just reset the topic
16:50:36 <joanie> thanks
16:50:40 <clown> #info last week's action: Update the status of the magnifier's brightness/contrast/inverse effects feature, and move it to the 3.5 features page.
16:50:57 <clown> #info Joseph made the transfer.
16:51:00 <clown> (done).
16:51:46 * joanie likes how clown does action item updates
16:51:55 * joanie feels guilty for not doing the same
16:52:05 <API> #topic Marketing and Fundraising
16:52:06 <API> jjmarin, ?
16:52:07 * clown is learning to be terse.
16:52:11 <jjmarin> #info This week we've raised 600 US$ in the a11y FoG campaign
16:52:40 <jjmarin> #info The FoG campaign has been resigned
16:52:47 <joanie> resigned?
16:52:53 <jjmarin> sorry
16:52:57 <jjmarin> redesigned
16:53:01 <joanie> ah
16:53:03 <joanie> thanks
16:53:23 <jjmarin> and no more news
16:53:44 <clown> what does "redesigned" mean?  A new look?
16:53:51 <jjmarin> yes
16:53:58 <joanie> jjmarin: I have a related (to the $ amount) question/request
16:54:00 <clown> is it public, yet?
16:54:10 <jjmarin> yes
16:54:23 <clown> where?
16:54:29 <jjmarin> http://www.gnome.org/friends/
16:54:34 <clown> thanks!
16:54:54 <joanie> jjmarin: so when you look at the planning page for the q1's
16:55:00 <jjmarin> the old one is still here http://www-old.gnome.org/friends/
16:55:06 <joanie> you'll see that there's a fill in the blank for you
16:55:15 * clown likes the "adopt a hacker" concept.
16:55:18 <joanie> which in retrospect we (I) should have thought about.
16:55:26 <jjmarin> upps
16:55:31 <joanie> namely: q1 ended in March 2012
16:55:39 <joanie> so we cannot report on how much we have now
16:55:50 <joanie> we need to report how much we had at the end of the first quarter
16:55:56 <joanie> is this something you can look into?
16:56:10 * joanie notes that anal-retentivism is incurable
16:56:29 <jjmarin> yes, I'll ask tonight
16:56:43 <joanie> thanks!!
16:57:34 <jjmarin> questions ?
16:57:41 <jjmarin> next topic ?
16:57:41 <joanie> none more from me
16:57:53 <API> well, as there are just 3 minutes til the end
16:57:59 <API> #topic miscellaneous time
16:58:10 <API> someone want to add something not-scheduled and short?
16:58:30 <joanie> I'm not scheduled and short
16:58:35 <joanie> (sorry)
16:58:53 <clown> yes, you are short-ish.
16:59:05 * jjmarin wonders if https://live.gnome.org/GnomeOS/Testable , a11y by default and automatic testing can be joined
16:59:08 <clown> (very sorry).
16:59:59 <API> jjmarin, no idea, at this moment
17:00:01 <API> AFAIK
17:00:15 <API> at this moemnt
17:00:27 <API> gnomeOS/Testable is just a vague idea
17:00:28 <clown> this might be a brian nitz question. maybe.
17:01:35 <joanie> I am confused
17:01:50 <joanie> is brian nitz involved with that effort?
17:02:13 <API> joanie, see jjmarin wondering
17:02:16 <clown> no, brian nitz is involved in automated a11y testing (ldtp, mago, etc.)
17:02:48 <clown> actually, I don't know if brian is involed in OS/Testable.
17:02:59 <joanie> my guess would be not
17:03:07 <joanie> but I suppose it's a question worth asking
17:04:34 <jjmarin> Any testing project like LDTP or mago is endorsed by GNOME ?
17:04:40 <API> well, too many doubts and nobody knowing ;)
17:04:47 <API> so, closing the meeting ?
17:04:49 <joanie> misc time is misc
17:04:53 <joanie> yeah, I think so API
17:05:08 <API> jjmarin, you can keep asking that on #a11y
17:05:11 <API> so
17:05:16 <API> finishing the meeting
17:05:17 <jjmarin> ok :-)
17:05:20 <API> #entmeeting
17:05:22 <API> ups
17:05:25 <API> #endmeeting