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   1 16:06:22 <API> #startmeeting
   2 16:06:22 <tota11y> Meeting started Thu Apr 19 16:06:22 2012 CET.  The chair is API. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
   3 16:06:22 <tota11y> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
   4 16:06:28 <API> #topic 3.5 cycle feature proposal
   5 16:06:46 <API> #info 3.5 cycle feature proposal has started
   6 16:06:50 <API> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/devel-announce-list/2012-March/msg00005.html
   7 16:07:07 <API> #infor it would be good to start to think if we want to propose something
   8 16:07:16 <clown> I noticed that the magnifier's brightness/contrast/inverse effects are still in the 3.4 Features page.  Should I move them over to 3.5?
   9 16:07:23 <API> clown, yes
  10 16:07:39 <API> afaik, that kind of things are responsability of the feature responsible
  11 16:08:00 <clown> #action Joseph will update the stateus of the magnifier's brightness/contrast/inverse effects feature, and move it to the 3.5 features page.
  12 16:08:04 <API> btw, we assume that features accepted for 3.4 are implicitly accepted for 3.6
  13 16:08:06 <API> but delayes
  14 16:08:09 <API> delayed
  15 16:08:19 <clown> s/stateus/status/
  16 16:08:32 <clown> (done)
  17 16:08:36 <mgorse> We talked at the hackfest about having accessibility be on by on by default for 3.6. Would that be considered a "feature" that we should propose?
  18 16:08:47 <API> mgorse, yes I think so
  19 16:08:53 <joanie> +1
  20 16:08:57 <API> Company was asking about that recently
  21 16:09:10 <API> I still didn't reply him because I would want to check some stuff
  22 16:09:11 <jjmarin> "on by on by" ?
  23 16:09:24 <API> ie how the accessibility is really activated now
  24 16:09:40 <API> as it seems that this "after activate a11y you need to logout"
  25 16:09:46 <API> is not 100% true anymore
  26 16:09:52 * joanie nods
  27 16:10:13 <jjmarin> ok, but what strange name seems to me :-)
  28 16:10:13 <API> #action Piñeiro after some researching, will bring the having accessibility by default 3.6 to the accessibility list
  29 16:10:32 <API> #action Piñeiro after some debate we could propose it as feature
  30 16:10:55 <API> so, excluding delayed stuff, like brightness or
  31 16:11:01 <API> focus tracking at gs-mag
  32 16:11:07 <API> and some stuff for dots
  33 16:11:15 <API> and a11y by default
  34 16:11:25 <API> anyother feature in your mind?
  35 16:11:56 <joanie> given that improvements are not "features", I don't think so
  36 16:12:03 <joanie> doesn't mean we're not doing it.
  37 16:13:13 <API> well, in that case, can I move to next point?
  38 16:13:32 <joanie> nah, let's stay on this one :P
  39 16:14:06 <API> I will translate that as "yes"
  40 16:14:11 <joanie> :)
  41 16:14:12 <API> #topic Ohio Linux Fest?
  42 16:14:31 <API> #info recently Bryen sent a mail to igalia-accessibility
  43 16:14:35 * clown reading
  44 16:14:39 <API> #info about Ohio Linux Fest
  45 16:14:43 <API> clown, https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-accessibility-list/2012-April/msg00020.html
  46 16:14:55 <jjmarin> s/igalia/gnome/  ?
  47 16:15:08 <API> #info he thinks that it could be a good place to promote accessibility
  48 16:15:14 <API> jjmarin, yeah, thanks,
  49 16:15:28 <API> that was not intended to be SPAM
  50 16:15:30 <API> :P
  51 16:15:40 * clown gnome === igalia?
  52 16:16:04 <joanie> and thus our plot to take over the universe is accidentally exposed
  53 16:16:05 <API> #info some people from gnome-marketing were interested, but Bryen feels that it would be required to have some "technical" people involved
  54 16:16:22 <API> so
  55 16:16:23 * clown gives new meaning to "fearless leader".
  56 16:16:28 <API> opinions, doubts?
  57 16:16:37 <jjmarin> yes, he needs someone who can address technical questions
  58 16:16:58 <joanie> #info Joanie could potentially fly out to Ohio before Grace Hopper.
  59 16:17:11 <jjmarin> great !
  60 16:17:55 <API> I guess that the problem here is "potentially"
  61 16:18:05 <API> if in the end it is not possible
  62 16:18:18 <joanie> What I mean is, this doesn't strike me as fun
  63 16:18:28 <joanie> and maybe Bryen will say "not Joanie, she sucks"
  64 16:18:29 <API> probably it would be good a fallback
  65 16:18:37 <joanie> but I can go if everyone wants me to
  66 16:18:38 <API> and in my mind
  67 16:18:52 <API> it is related with our outdated demo/docs
  68 16:19:24 <API> the fact is that right now in order to promote the status of accessibility we need someone technical, as he knows better the status
  69 16:19:31 <jjmarin> I don't think so, he knows that there are only few a11y developers :-) and you're potentially one of the person he's asking for
  70 16:19:40 <API> it would be good to have something that marketing, or others could easily use
  71 16:19:52 <joanie> jjmarin: and yet he has not asked
  72 16:20:11 <API> joanie, he has not asked?
  73 16:20:13 <joanie> he's made vague noises that "someone technical" should volunteer
  74 16:20:21 <API> I didn't see any mail from you
  75 16:20:27 <joanie> API huh?
  76 16:21:04 <clown> fyi: he was in mozilla's #accessibility chat room two days ago, and asked generally if anyone there would be interested.
  77 16:21:15 <joanie> :)
  78 16:21:24 <clown> so, he's not just asking gnome developers.
  79 16:21:57 <clown> which fits the spirit of his email.
  80 16:22:17 <jjmarin> AFAIK, he want to promote open source a11y, and he'd like have mozilla and gnome people there
  81 16:22:22 <clown> "Booth staff would include reps from GNOME, Mozilla, FSF, Oracle, etc."
  82 16:22:48 <joanie> jjmarin: can we task you with coordinating with Bryen?
  83 16:22:49 <mgorse> I *could* go to it, although I think that I'd want to have a better idea of what the conference would be like before I agree to it (and if I'm paying for it out of my own pocket)
  84 16:22:50 <clown> and oracle people, apparently.
  85 16:23:21 <jjmarin> joanie: yes
  86 16:23:26 <joanie> yay!
  87 16:23:27 <joanie> thank you
  88 16:24:04 <joanie> if you could find out exactly what he is looking for and indicate that Joanie is willing to go and Mike may be pending more info
  89 16:24:12 <joanie> and get a response from him
  90 16:24:16 <joanie> that would be great
  91 16:24:56 <API> jjmarin, joanie a pretty #action of #info, please?
  92 16:24:59 <jjmarin> #action Juanjo will contact Bryen about the OLF a11y booth
  93 16:25:35 <API> jjmarin, ok thanks
  94 16:25:39 <API> so, moving to next point?
  95 16:25:50 * joanie nods
  96 16:26:07 <jjmarin> +1
  97 16:26:18 <API> #topic Outreach Program for Women update?
  98 16:26:20 <API> clown, ?
  99 16:26:59 <clown> #info Joseph parially did his action from last week — come up with something in terms of a "small contribution".
 100 16:27:35 <clown> #info Joseph looked through the Accerciser bug list to find something small and self contained to recommend to Ahu.
 101 16:27:59 <clown> #info but didn't find anything suitable.  Noted that none of the bugs are tagged "gnome-love".
 102 16:28:32 <clown> #info is consider filing a feature request:  have the about box show the version number, and then suggest Ahu work on that for her "small contribution".
 103 16:28:35 <clown> (done).
 104 16:28:44 <API> not sure if gnome-love is really active these days
 105 16:28:52 * joanie glances over bug list
 106 16:29:52 <clown> can't remember where I read it, but I thought that one of the OPW pages suggested looking for gnome-love bugs for this requirement.
 107 16:30:07 <joanie> clown: it does say that. but no one does it. ;)
 108 16:30:13 <joanie> (or very few do)
 109 16:30:26 <clown> ah, I'm not imagining things.
 110 16:30:30 <clown> good to know.
 111 16:30:48 <joanie> does Ahu have coding skills at all?
 112 16:31:12 <clown> I don't know.  She said she was interested in my proposal in order to sharpen her Python skills.
 113 16:31:40 <clown> So, doing some small python bug fixing for the primary tool for the proposal would be a good thing to judge by.
 114 16:31:53 * joanie nods
 115 16:32:11 <joanie> one bug I forgot I had filed I had also provided a patch for oops
 116 16:32:24 <clown> and, I've got a number of different versions of accerciser, but there's no easy way to figure out which one I'm using from its gui.
 117 16:32:41 <joanie> anyway, in the spirit of moving on, the version thing is an issue raised also by the debian packager
 118 16:32:41 <clown> "oops"?  Open office?
 119 16:33:05 <joanie> oops == https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=654418
 120 16:33:05 <tota11y> 04Bug 654418: normal, Normal, ---, jdiggs, NEW, Strings with context are not getting properly localized even though the translations have been provided
 121 16:33:23 <jjmarin> lol
 122 16:33:30 <joanie> thought that would be an easy one when I saw it in the list.
 123 16:33:46 <joanie> I had totally forgotten that I filed it and offered a patch
 124 16:34:21 <clown> well, if there is already a patch … isn't that what Ahu is supposed to provide?
 125 16:34:29 <joanie> clown: that's the oops
 126 16:34:41 <clown> aha!
 127 16:34:46 * clown needs more coffee.
 128 16:35:54 <joanie> another one I started digging into and then moved on is this one: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671261
 129 16:35:54 <tota11y> 04Bug 671261: normal, Normal, ---, accerciser-devel, UNCONFIRMED, UnicodeDecodeError breaks the interface viewer
 130 16:36:06 * clown looks
 131 16:37:37 <joanie> that one would also expose Ahu to the different interfaces (as a concept)
 132 16:37:50 <joanie> which I think is important for your project, right?
 133 16:38:44 <API> well, I don't want to be the grumpy dwarf here
 134 16:38:45 <clown> yes. certainly something for me to explore further (and soon).
 135 16:38:53 <API> but I feel that this is too much detail for the meeting
 136 16:39:12 <API> can we summarize this as "clow is looking for a bug suitable for first contribution"?
 137 16:39:19 <API> s/clow/clown
 138 16:39:27 <clown> #info Josepsh is looking for a bug suitable for first contribution.
 139 16:39:36 <clown> s/Josepsh/Joseph/
 140 16:39:45 * joanie chuckles
 141 16:39:56 <API> it seems that today is happy-key day
 142 16:40:07 <API> so anything else or moving to next point?
 143 16:40:18 <joanie> happy-key, grumpy dwarf
 144 16:40:48 <API> ok, moving
 145 16:40:51 <API> #topic Marketing and Fundraising
 146 16:40:52 <API> jjmarin, ?
 147 16:41:16 <jjmarin> #info the FoG a11y campaign has reached $14,005, so at this pace, it is possible to get the goal by June.
 148 16:42:10 <jjmarin> As part of my unfinished task "Test a11y on wxwidgets "
 149 16:43:06 <jjmarin> I was thinking about writing a checklist for checking a11y in wxwidgets and another one for GNOME
 150 16:43:24 <jjmarin> do you think is worth ?
 151 16:43:28 <API> well
 152 16:43:37 <API> taking into account the feedback
 153 16:43:39 <API> received
 154 16:43:43 <API> I don't think so
 155 16:43:57 <API> after all, we already have plenty of work just with gtk
 156 16:44:12 <API> clutter, gnome-shell etc
 157 16:44:17 <API> it is, GNOME technologies
 158 16:44:37 * clown wonders if it's actually IGALIA technologies...
 159 16:44:37 <API> and in the end, reasons against eviacam were not just on wxwidgets
 160 16:44:49 <jjmarin> the basic idea is tell wxwidgets folks to use accerciser to check the a11y
 161 16:44:50 * joanie laughs
 162 16:45:20 <joanie> but I'm getting confused: Is this a marketing and fundraising thing?
 163 16:45:25 <API> so, could you define "checklist"?
 164 16:46:09 <jjmarin> is a11y marketing for developers :-)
 165 16:46:18 <joanie> ok
 166 16:47:10 <jjmarin> I can elaborate more this for the next meeting
 167 16:47:55 <jjmarin> #action Juanjo will write some ideas about how to marketing a11y to developers
 168 16:48:09 <API> jjmarin, ok thanks
 169 16:48:23 <API> but, probably it would be good if you remove "test a11y on wxwidget"
 170 16:48:26 <API> as one action item
 171 16:49:08 <jjmarin> ok, is there a remove action command ?
 172 16:49:16 <joanie> jjmarin: nah
 173 16:49:20 <joanie> I'll remove it now
 174 16:49:30 <API> just a question
 175 16:49:47 <API> jjmarin, -marketing are debating for the next
 176 16:49:52 <API> goal
 177 16:49:58 <jjmarin> yes
 178 16:50:03 <API> that means that now there are a specific deadline for the current one?
 179 16:50:15 <API> what would happen if by June the goal was not achieved?
 180 16:51:12 <jjmarin> It's not 100% decided by now, but it is supposed it will began after reaching our goal
 181 16:51:21 <jjmarin> and it will be achived
 182 16:51:44 <jjmarin> I think :-)
 183 16:52:23 <API> ok thanks
 184 16:52:28 <API> ok, lets move to last topic
 185 16:52:35 <API> usually our favourite
 186 16:52:40 <API> #miscellaneous time
 187 16:52:46 <API> argh
 188 16:52:56 <API> #topic miscellaneous time
 189 16:53:06 <API> someone wants to add something not-scheduled?
 190 16:57:37 <jjmarin> it seems that today we only do scheduled things :-)
 191 16:59:01 <API> jjmarin, I agree
 192 16:59:09 <API> so I will close the meeting
 193 16:59:11 <API> #endmeeting

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