15:05:31 #startmeeting 15:05:31 Meeting started Thu Dec 29 15:05:31 2011 UTC. The chair is API. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:05:31 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:06:01 #topic FOSDEM Update 15:06:22 #info API send a talk proposal to talk about accessibility in general (not only GNOME) 15:06:33 #info Mario made the same, to talk about webkitgtk a11y 15:06:44 #info both waiting for answers 15:06:47 any other? 15:08:03 well, looking here: 15:08:05 https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/crossdesktop-devroom/2011-December/thread.html 15:08:15 I don't see any other accessibility related 15:08:24 talk on crossdesktop-devroom 15:08:28 not sure in other meetings 15:08:49 sorry 15:08:52 in other devrooms 15:09:12 questions, doubts? 15:11:04 I will conclude that no 15:11:05 so moving 15:11:12 #topic hackfest update 15:11:47 #info finally we got the confirmation that travel committee will cover hotel+flights 15:12:34 #info about the hotel, we are going to use the same procedure that in the webkitgtk hackfest 15:12:57 I hadn't heard about the hackfest and haven't seen any link to date information in the minutes. Can someone fill me in briefly? 15:13:21 #info Igalia will book the hotel Avenida, so once the people knew the exact days contact us 15:13:31 heidi, https://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Hackfests/ATK2012 15:13:46 API, thanks! 15:13:47 in summary, we had a atk/at-spi2 hackfest on may 15:13:50 this is the follow up 15:14:29 #info last week we finally made the public announcement 15:14:31 https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-accessibility-devel/2011-December/msg00014.html 15:14:39 so, questions doubts? 15:15:29 so I guess we need to fill in our arrival and departure times 15:15:40 for hotel booking 15:16:03 yes, we will use the table at the hackfest page as base 15:16:19 although we will contact people to final confirmation 15:16:39 anyway, this is what we did on previous hackfest, as we think that it is easier 15:16:48 if people prefer other way 15:16:57 this is the time to debate it 15:17:05 I think most people will prefer we make the reservations for them 15:18:14 yes, confirm their attendance and book for them seems a good idea 15:19:32 I also suppose that it is easier for foundation, as in the end is just one reimbursement 15:20:00 anyway, taking into account that not all hackfest attendees are there 15:20:11 al those #info require a custom mail 15:20:28 #action API will send a informative mail to the current confirmed attendees 15:20:34 and having said so 15:20:37 questions, doubts? 15:22:41 it seems that no 15:22:44 so lets move 15:23:00 #topic Marketing and Fundraising 15:23:02 jjmarin, ? 15:23:09 yes 15:23:18 #info The accessibilty FoG campaign was launched the 16th december. Unfortunately, I haven't data about how is going on so far. 15:25:03 #info API and Bryen made posts in planet gnome, and Alan Bell and Pendulum will do another one in Planet Ubuntu 15:26:08 #info Also the announce have been published in www.gnome.org and social media 15:26:52 #info There are problems with the donation progress bar, but I wasn't informed about the current status 15:27:24 and I think that's all, suggestions or questions about the campaign ? 15:27:35 jjmarin, where is supposed to be published that progress bar? 15:27:48 at the fog webpage? 15:28:12 yes. In the past also was in planet gnome and in www.gnome.org 15:29:26 but they have technical problems to put in order. I hope at least to bring some data from the gnome paypal account 15:29:37 for the next meeting 15:29:48 and finally, as there is a progress bar 15:29:59 it is supposed that this campaign has a deadline, right? 15:30:17 I mean that it will be there until the proposed money is got 15:30:29 but I suppose that it will have also a time limit 15:30:30 right? 15:31:53 yes. But it wasn't set by now. The current money to get is 20,000 US 15:32:21 but it can be bigger if we get a good donation these days 15:32:38 jjmarin, ok thanks 15:32:43 I don't have more quesitons 15:32:51 questions 15:33:00 others? 15:35:59 people is silent, so I assume that no 15:36:01 lets move 15:36:12 #topic Keynote speaker about accessibility for the next GUADEC 15:36:14 jjmarin, ? 15:36:19 #idea I think is good idea to propose a keynote speaker for the next GUADEC from the accessibilty world. 15:36:37 #idea Someone who can give a interesting talk about the topic that can help to promote accessibility inside the GNOME community. 15:36:48 what do you think ? 15:37:02 do you know a good candidate ? 15:37:42 #info Joanie thinks that keynote speakers are typically chosen because they are seen as awesome/important/whatever by the entire community. 15:38:28 about that joanie info 15:38:31 #info Joanie thinks, therefore, that unless you can get someone like Stevie Wonder this will not be a good -- or doable -- idea 15:38:32 thats true usually 15:38:49 but, sometimes you get a keynote from people out GNOME 15:39:04 in that aspect, although Richard Stallman is a relevant figure 15:39:22 I wouldn't say that is the most involved person on GNOME 15:39:34 #info In fact, the keynote speaker are chosen by recommendation from people from the community 15:39:37 is more a GNU guy watching GNOME and giving advices 15:39:49 anyway, about my opinion 15:40:15 #info API thinks that if there is only one keynote, it wouldn't worth to have a specific accessibility keynote 15:40:41 #info API in the same way, we usually have talks about accessibility approved, so anyone could go there 15:40:55 /me is thinking of the kid whose father submitted a patch shortly before the father died (ALS?) 15:41:19 #info there is a keynote speaker every core day 15:41:34 #info if there is just one keynote, and it is about accessibility, we are in danger of keep being seen as a "different thing" 15:42:03 jjmarin, how many core days this year? 15:43:19 four days July 26 to 29 15:43:26 jjmarin, ok thanks 15:43:47 according to http://www.guadec.org/ 15:44:14 Some example of keynote speakers http://guadec.expectnation.com/public/content/keynotes 15:45:47 as people suddenly become silent 15:45:52 #info Adrian Hands is the person I was thinking of, suffered from ALS but submitted a patch for a 9 year old GNOME bug via morse code https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78514#c19 15:45:52 04Bug 78514: enhancement, Low, ---, eog-maint, RESOLVED FIXED, copy item in edit menu 15:45:53 #info API is not sure 15:47:26 It's an intersting idea bnitz1. But keynote speakers need to be good speakers (imho). So we'd need to find out of his son is. 15:47:29 bnitz1, thanks for the link 15:48:08 Yes, just thought I'd mention it. I don't know Ian Hands at all. 15:48:14 * joanie nods 15:48:33 bnitz1: yes, the story is good, but we don't know how good the son is as a speaker 15:49:13 anyway, thats just partially answer question 2) from jjmarin about which speaker 15:49:23 what do you think about questions 1) ? 15:49:31 #idea I think is good idea to propose a keynote speaker for the next GUADEC from the accessibilty world. 15:49:39 all agrees that it is a good idea? 15:50:09 (I restrain to agree with me) 15:50:10 I'm not convinced it is, no. 15:50:19 I agree. 15:50:39 I would need to know more about who is proposed, what the days are, who the other keynotes are, etc. 15:52:01 I think that it would be good to have an accessibility speaker, as long as they are engaging and interesting. 15:52:33 Having an accessibility speaker just to raise awareness might backfire if the speaker, ummm, isn't a positive representative. 15:53:19 well, lets say then that there are still some info to get 15:53:33 and that we can't just answer question 1) without knowing more about 2) 15:53:40 I guess there should be a good speaker about accessibility. I can do some research 15:53:40 as the meeting is finishing 15:53:52 yes 15:54:03 I mean, lets say that we need more research before 15:54:08 jjmarin: quiet research without approaching any possible speakers 15:54:08 #action Juanjo will look for candidates as keynote speakers 15:54:14 yes 15:54:19 thank you :) 15:54:25 of course 15:54:37 jjmarin, joanie had other doubts, so could you research for the other doubts too? 15:54:46 joanie: are you a good speaker ;-) 15:55:00 yes 15:55:05 jjmarin, ok thanks 15:55:05 nice try ;) 15:55:13 so as the meeting if finishing 15:55:19 lets go for the favourite section 15:55:25 #topic Miscellaneous time 15:55:37 something not included on the agenda that you want to mention? 15:57:07 the end of the year is coming ;-) 15:57:29 really? 15:57:33 I didn't notice 15:58:48 hehe 16:00:19 well, no one is using misc time in a really useful way 16:00:22 sorry jjmarin ;) 16:00:26 so lets conclude the meeting 16:00:29 #endmeeting