1 15:09:04 <joanie> #startmeeting
   2 15:09:04 <tota11y> Meeting started Thu Dec  8 15:09:04 2011 UTC.  The chair is joanie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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   4 15:09:19 <joanie> #topic Abbreviated Agenda Today
   5 15:09:44 <joanie> #info We do not have a quorum due to Spanish holiday and other things. Therefore we are having a brief meeting only.
   6 15:10:02 <joanie> #info the topics removed from the agenda are: Hackfest Update and FOSDEM.
   7 15:10:09 <joanie> #topic Marketing and Fundraising
   8 15:10:15 * joanie hands floor to jjmarin
   9 15:10:20 <jjmarin> hi
  10 15:10:24 <clown> lo
  11 15:11:11 <jjmarin> #info The a11y FoG campaign will be released pretty soon. Before Xmas AFAIK
  12 15:12:02 <jjmarin> #Info Juanjo is working to get some testimonials of GNOME a11y users for the campaign
  13 15:12:24 <jjmarin> #Info There is a banner and a progress bar ready
  14 15:12:32 <jjmarin> and that's all
  15 15:12:42 <joanie> awesome thanks jjmarin :)
  16 15:12:46 <joanie> questions or comments?
  17 15:13:02 <clown> where is the banner and progress bar?  online?
  18 15:13:48 * jjmarin is asking andreasn
  19 15:14:22 * clown wonders if the banner is useful to "mark" relevant wiki pages like: "sponsored by FoG"
  20 15:15:18 <jjmarin> a second
  21 15:18:35 * joanie waits
  22 15:18:50 <jjmarin> andreasn is supposed to show me the banner is this century :-)
  23 15:19:15 <jjmarin> we can do another thing instead of waiting if you want
  24 15:19:16 <clown> jjmarin, well, he has some time, then.
  25 15:20:57 <clown> re:  do another thing, fine with me, but up to the chair.
  26 15:21:10 * joanie figures we should move on
  27 15:21:13 <jjmarin> :-)
  28 15:21:16 <joanie> jjmarin: anything else to add?
  29 15:22:09 * joanie prepares to bang gavel :)
  30 15:22:21 * clown moves hands well out of the way.
  31 15:22:34 <joanie> #topic Update on Zoom Options Control Centre Dialog
  32 15:22:41 <joanie> clown: floor (and fingers) are yours
  33 15:22:49 <clown> thanks joanie
  34 15:23:05 <clown> what's the way of getting the bug url in the room?
  35 15:23:16 <joanie> bug number
  36 15:23:28 <joanie> with bug in front of number
  37 15:23:39 <clown> #info bug 643086
  38 15:23:39 <tota11y> 04Bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=643086 normal, Normal, ---, control-center-maint, NEW, Universal access:  add dialog for zoom options
  39 15:23:44 * clown yay!
  40 15:23:46 <joanie> :)
  41 15:24:20 <clown> #info I uploaded two patches last Mon
  42 15:24:41 <clown> info two because of debate whether to use checkboxes vs. radio buttons for mouse tracking preferences
  43 15:24:51 <clown> #info two because of debate whether to use checkboxes vs. radio buttons for mouse tracking preferences
  44 15:25:27 <clown> #info looks like radio button version is "winning" (which is the correct ui in my view).
  45 15:25:52 <clown> #info major remaining  issue is spacing, which requires someone better at glade than I.
  46 15:26:05 <clown> #info some minor changes as well; easily done.
  47 15:26:16 <clown> #info screen shots:
  48 15:26:45 <clown> #info hbons' wireframe proposal which I based the code/glade on:  https://github.com/gnome-design-team/gnome-mockups/blob/master/system-settings/zoom/zoom.png
  49 15:27:02 <clown> #info checkboxes version:  http://clown.idrc.ocad.ca/aegis/GS-Mag/ZoomOptionsChecksV2.png
  50 15:27:18 <clown> #info radio button version:  http://clown.idrc.ocad.ca/aegis/GS-Mag/ZoomOptionsRadiosV2.png
  51 15:27:25 <clown> questions?
  52 15:27:53 <joanie> only how do you do it and maintain your sanity
  53 15:28:08 <clown> good question.
  54 15:28:12 <joanie> :)
  55 15:28:32 <joanie> well +100000 for your willingness to keep on keeping on
  56 15:29:03 <joanie> other questions or snarky comments?
  57 15:29:05 <joanie> ;)
  58 15:29:31 <clown> well, in that vain:  bastien asked for tic marks on the crosshairs length slider back in the summer, but now classen wants them removed.  a case of too many cooks?
  59 15:29:42 <joanie> heh
  60 15:30:15 <joanie> well, if no other questions or comments.....
  61 15:30:26 <joanie> #topic Miscellaneous Time
  62 15:30:36 * joanie hands floor over to anyone who has something to add
  63 15:31:12 <clown> in case anyone is interested, I've managed to get Fedora16 running smoothily with gnome-shell using virtual box on my Mac laptop
  64 15:31:34 <clown> bnitz is probably the most interested in this sort of thing,
  65 15:31:48 <joanie> oh that's true, I did something similar with Ubuntu and Mint the other day
  66 15:32:06 <joanie> I am so going to wipe my systems and do development work in virtual boxes
  67 15:32:22 <bnitz> clown yes sorry I'm very late
  68 15:32:47 <joanie> #info Joseph and Joanie have been able to get gnome-shell working in virtualbox. And there was much rejoicing.
  69 15:33:33 <bnitz> clown at the moment my a11y test rig is still built on javier's a11y testing distro but if we decide on another it could be ported.
  70 15:33:59 <clown> bnitz, that was OpenSuse, if I recal.
  71 15:34:02 <bnitz> yes
  72 15:34:02 <clown> "recall"
  73 15:34:23 <clown> I haven't tried that, but I should work.
  74 15:34:28 * clown looks up url.
  75 15:34:30 <bnitz> clown did you need to emulate 3d acceleration or does gnome-shell now run smoothly without it?
  76 15:35:00 <clown> #info  how to add accelerated 3d support to VirtualBox:  http://www.sysprobs.com/install-fedora-16-virtualbox-guest-additions-get-working-gnome-shell-inside-virtual-machine
  77 15:35:52 <bnitz> clown thanks.  The next step is to completely remove the requirement for accelerated 3D.  For some reason I thought it was no longer a hard dependency on clutter/gnome-shell.
  78 15:35:57 <clown> bnitz,  I had to follow the above directions, involving using something called "Guest Additions" to allow access to the 3d support on one's video card.
  79 15:36:16 <joanie> I didn't follow those instructions, but I did the same thing.
  80 15:36:42 <joanie> #info Installing Guest Additions is required to get the 3d support working (which is required to get gnome-shell working in vbox).
  81 15:36:55 <bnitz> Yes I did something like this in the past but decided to fallback on fallback mode for now.
  82 15:37:28 <bnitz> But I think when the hard dependency on 3d graphics goes away, fallback mode will also be deprecated.
  83 15:37:39 <clown> yes, I tried this before last spring, and got very jerky mouse movements, etc.
  84 15:37:58 <clown> I think part of the improvement is due to the newer versions of Virtual Box.
  85 15:38:07 * joanie nods
  86 15:38:40 <jjmarin> clown: I'm in conversation with an instructor who is using gnome-shell zoom with a user with Ataxia and they think is great :-)
  87 15:38:53 <clown> #info  version 4.16 of VirtualBox is a version that works.
  88 15:39:12 <clown> jjmarin, thanks for that!
  89 15:39:37 <clown> jjmarin:  will they be part of the a11y testamonials for the marketing?
  90 15:40:20 <jjmarin> clown: I want to, but there is some bureacratic problems I need to fix
  91 15:40:47 <clown> jjmarin:  good luck with that.
  92 15:40:54 <clown> ;-)
  93 15:40:56 <jjmarin> :-)
  94 15:42:48 <joanie> okay, anything else?
  95 15:44:12 <jjmarin> no
  96 15:44:14 <joanie> #endmeeting