1 14:35:51 <API> #startmeeting
   2 14:35:51 <tota11y> Meeting started Thu Oct 27 14:35:51 2011 UTC.  The chair is API. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
   3 14:35:51 <tota11y> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
   4 14:36:04 <API> #topic GNOME 3.4 Feature Proposal Status
   5 14:36:17 <API> #info API sent all the feature proposals last week
   6 14:36:27 <clown> thank you API.
   7 14:36:34 <API> #info the thread with more answers is the one related to eviacam
   8 14:36:57 <API> #info it would be unlikely being accepted. Main concerns: wxwidgets and integration
   9 14:37:17 <API> #info Some concerns to Dasher too, in relation with overview (so also integration)
  10 14:37:36 <API> #info in the end API categorized the features, some ready to be integrated as core
  11 14:37:56 <API> #info in the others just suggested to be included on GNOME ecosystem, as inkscape
  12 14:38:34 <API> and well, clown can you gave the #info for your feature proposals?
  13 14:38:51 <clown> sure, API.
  14 14:39:10 <clown> #info with respect to the zoom options control panel.
  15 14:39:23 <clown> #info Bastien has requested some changes to the UI for the dialog.
  16 14:39:34 <clown> #info And, has invited me to post screen shots and discuss with him in #gnome-design.
  17 14:39:42 <alibezz> jhernandez: hey!!!
  18 14:39:44 <clown> #info I have been making these changes.
  19 14:39:56 <clown> #info I hope to meet up with him (irc) later today.
  20 14:40:08 <joanie> yay for clown
  21 14:40:15 <clown> #info with respect to focus/caret tracking:
  22 14:40:45 <clown> #info the only question (from Classen) was if this was specific to the magnifier, or could it be used by the onscreen keyboard.
  23 14:40:59 <clown> #info I replied that it could be used by anyone...
  24 14:41:15 <clown> #info but the first consumer would be the magnifier, most likely.
  25 14:41:16 <clown> done.
  26 14:41:48 <API> and I guess that this also covers 1.1 on the agenda
  27 14:41:52 <API> so, people
  28 14:42:04 <API> questions doubts about 3.4 and featue proposals?
  29 14:42:15 <joanie> not from me
  30 14:42:23 <joanie> Thanks (again) for doing all that API
  31 14:43:13 <API> np
  32 14:43:30 <API> joanie, you also answered some questions in relation with dots, right?
  33 14:43:40 <API> but it was mostly a clarification, AFAIR
  34 14:43:43 <joanie> yeah, only one if I recall
  35 14:43:45 <joanie> yes
  36 14:44:20 <joanie> #info There was only one person with questions about Dots (Matthias). And those were seeking clarification about how Dots works, rather than concerns.
  37 14:44:39 <joanie> #info Joanie answered his questions and is hopeful Dots will be accepted.
  38 14:44:40 <joanie> (done)
  39 14:45:23 <API> a good questions would be know how those things would be accepted, anyway
  40 14:45:48 <API> #info release-team is organizing a meeting (day not confirmed yet)
  41 14:46:02 <API> #info probably GNOME 3.4 features would be part of the agenda
  42 14:46:36 <API> so, moving on?
  43 14:46:51 * joanie nods
  44 14:47:23 <API> #topic Marketing and Fundraising
  45 14:47:25 <API> jjmarin, ?
  46 14:47:30 <jjmarin> Hi
  47 14:47:51 <jjmarin> #info The Foundation and the marketing team  is committed to set an a11y FoG Campaign
  48 14:48:38 <jjmarin> #Info The intention is to start the campaign running in December, or before,  for the Christmas time (gift-giving and so on)
  49 14:49:04 <jjmarin> #info We finally agree that it will more practical not to set very concrete goals, like contracts
  50 14:49:27 <jjmarin> #info because contracts/bids need to pass a long process of acceptation by the Foundation Board
  51 14:50:10 <jjmarin> #info The marketing team is waiting for our a11y FoG goal
  52 14:50:25 <jjmarin> question about this ?
  53 14:50:49 <joanie> What is the next step from our end?
  54 14:51:10 <joanie> Are we expecting to be contacted by someone, or are you staying on top of this and will tell us what we need to do and when?
  55 14:51:29 <API> well, in the case of the performance contract we are waiting for ryan
  56 14:51:35 <jjmarin> #action Juanjo will write the goal with the help of the a11y team
  57 14:51:37 <API> but I guess that in the end we will require to ping him
  58 14:51:50 <API> ah, yes, that also makes sense, thank jjmarin ;)
  59 14:52:09 <API> btw, I guess that this also affects how that project that clown is defining
  60 14:52:12 <jjmarin> yes, it is supposed there is message pending from Ryan
  61 14:52:48 <API> as now this will became something that we need to send to Foundation
  62 14:52:49 <clown> jjmarin:  are you going to write a first draft and then ask for our advice?
  63 14:52:52 <API> as another project proposal
  64 14:53:53 <jjmarin> clown: yes, I will write a draft and I'll ask for feedback, opinion
  65 14:54:07 <clown> cool.  thanks jjmarin.
  66 14:54:27 <joanie> jjmarin: It might also be worth it to note on our present a11y team FoG page, that this new direction is being taken
  67 14:54:41 <joanie> in other words, do not delete what's there, but add a note that what's there is not what's current
  68 14:54:47 <API> in that sense, and as I also mentioned on other mail
  69 14:55:03 <API> as they want a list of general objetives, probably it would be good to update
  70 14:55:05 <API> the roadmap
  71 14:55:16 <API> and say that it would became the base of the projects to be defined
  72 14:55:26 <API> https://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Roadmap
  73 14:55:32 <API> what do you think?
  74 14:55:51 <jjmarin> API: I think is good idea
  75 14:56:05 <joanie> #action Joanie will review the present roadmap, taking into account FoG and the work that has already been completed. She will begin drafting a new roadmap for the upcoming two years.
  76 14:56:57 <jjmarin> the set will be a sort of abstract of what problems a11y have  and what can we do with a link to our roadmap
  77 14:57:58 <joanie> +1 jjmarin
  78 14:58:41 <API> after all, we created that Roadmap because the Foundation asked that
  79 14:58:50 * joanie nods
  80 14:58:56 <API> because they wanted to say what a company willing to fund a11y project could fund
  81 14:59:03 <API> s/say/know
  82 14:59:34 <jjmarin> the abstract won't be long. It must be short and easy to understand
  83 15:00:05 <API> makes sense, for details we have the roadmap
  84 15:00:15 <joanie> jjmarin: aw crap. I wanted us to make it long and confusing. You really are not any fun. :-P
  85 15:00:40 <jjmarin> yes, I don't ;-)
  86 15:01:13 <jjmarin> suggestions, questions, jokes ?
  87 15:01:21 <joanie> ;)
  88 15:01:43 <clown> why did the chicken cross the road?
  89 15:01:51 <API> well, nothing, just thanks for your work on the meeting
  90 15:01:53 <API> yesterday
  91 15:02:01 <jjmarin> clown: LoL :-)
  92 15:02:02 <API> clown, why not?
  93 15:02:09 <API> so, moving on?
  94 15:02:14 <clown> because it was too far to walk around...
  95 15:02:19 * joanie nods
  96 15:02:27 <jjmarin> :-) :-)
  97 15:02:54 <API> #topic hackfest update
  98 15:02:58 <API> not too much to say
  99 15:03:09 <API> #info still waiting for ryan answers to API questions
 100 15:03:16 <API> #action API will directly contact him
 101 15:03:27 <API> #info For the moment the current plan in action is Brno
 102 15:03:39 <API> #info Igalia offices are still available if this plan drops
 103 15:03:55 <API> joanie, I'm forgetting something?
 104 15:04:03 <joanie> Sorry, multiple pings
 105 15:04:09 * joanie reads
 106 15:04:45 <joanie> For now, nothing to add to the minutes
 107 15:05:05 <joanie> There is a possibility of there being a larger Summit in Brno
 108 15:05:16 <API> ah yes true
 109 15:05:18 <joanie> I've mentioned this to both Brian Cameron and Karen Sandler
 110 15:05:21 <API> documentation, right?
 111 15:05:23 <joanie> and they both like the idea
 112 15:05:30 <joanie> doc team will also be there
 113 15:05:47 <joanie> But at the moment it is up to the Foundation Board and Executive Director to decide if this is worth doing
 114 15:06:18 <joanie> but it might not hurt for people to keep mid Feb free for Brno, even if they are not part of the ATK hackfest.
 115 15:06:24 <joanie> (done)
 116 15:07:43 <API> ok, so
 117 15:07:45 <joanie> I guess I should #info something suitable for the minutes....
 118 15:07:46 <API> questions, doubts?
 119 15:07:53 * joanie thinks of the wording
 120 15:07:58 <API> ok, waiting for pretty #info (s)
 121 15:08:08 <clown> make is short and easy to understand, joanie
 122 15:08:20 <jjmarin> :-)
 123 15:08:20 * clown hids
 124 15:08:27 * clown and hides, too.
 125 15:09:00 <joanie> #info Given that there are likely to be other groups meeting in Brno, Joanie has suggested that it might be worth having a Brno Summit (Boston Summit style)
 126 15:09:17 <joanie> #info These suggestions were made casually and in informal conversations.
 127 15:09:31 <joanie> #info It is up to the Board to decide if pursuing this event is worth doing.
 128 15:10:17 <joanie> #info Given the *possibility* of this occurring, however, team members interested in attending a larger GNOME event in February should be on the lookout for announcements regarding this possibility.
 129 15:10:21 <joanie> (done)
 130 15:10:33 <API> thanks
 131 15:10:37 <API> and now my previous questios
 132 15:10:39 <API> questions
 133 15:10:42 <API> questions, doubts?
 134 15:10:47 <joanie> jokes?
 135 15:10:54 <jjmarin> :-)
 136 15:11:09 <clown> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TTxgrLUb7c
 137 15:11:25 * clown is not really trying to derail the meeting.
 138 15:11:36 <jjmarin> LoL it's real !!! :-)
 139 15:11:40 <joanie> It just comes naturally clown?
 140 15:11:44 * joanie hides
 141 15:12:08 * clown hey, this bush is my hiding spot.  go find your own.
 142 15:12:29 <API> people, behave yourself, we are not in misc time yet
 143 15:12:30 <API> so
 144 15:12:34 <API> moving on ...
 145 15:12:51 <API> #topic Team Quarterly Reports (Q3)
 146 15:13:11 <clown> https://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/QuarterlyReports/2011/Q3
 147 15:13:11 <API> #info yet another ping, people should write the quarterly reports
 148 15:13:28 <API> I guess that this is a short topic
 149 15:14:14 <API> so moving
 150 15:14:19 <API> #topic miscellaneous time
 151 15:14:27 <joanie> NOW can we misbehave?
 152 15:14:43 <API> yes sure, but first
 153 15:14:48 <joanie> You'd think at my age I'd be more like an adult.
 154 15:14:50 <API> someone have something to say
 155 15:14:54 <joanie> ;)
 156 15:14:57 <API> not included on agenda?
 157 15:16:25 <jjmarin> it sounds like API _knows_ someone should say sth, I hope it's not me :-)
 158 15:17:07 <API> sth?
 159 15:17:15 <API> Im totally lost
 160 15:17:17 <aleiva> something
 161 15:17:18 <joanie> jjmarin: Nah. API would poke you with a stick were that the case.
 162 15:17:19 <aleiva> ;-)
 163 15:17:27 <mgorse> FYI, I'm trying to get Firefox patched so it won't think a11y is always disabled on GNOME 3. Hoping it'll maybe get in without needing ten rounds of review...
 164 15:17:35 <clown> API, I *think* you are in Spain, if that helps.
 165 15:17:54 <joanie> mgorse: Woo hoo! You rock!!
 166 15:18:02 <API> mgorse, so firefox also have ten rounds or review, like clown zoom dialog?
 167 15:18:09 <mgorse> should have done that a while ago rather than assuming that someone at Mozilla would do it, I guess :)
 168 15:18:13 <clown> mgorse:  right on!
 169 15:18:20 * joanie grins
 170 15:18:31 <mgorse> API: Well, the other bug we worked on had more than that
 171 15:18:55 <API> well, I guess that 10 is just figurative, and just mean "review over review and review again"
 172 15:19:30 <API> but good to know that you din't enter on berserker mode
 173 15:21:36 <API> ... is the sound ... of the silence
 174 15:21:46 <API> well folks, today we were really fast on the meeting
 175 15:21:56 <API> so as nobody is adding anything to misc times
 176 15:21:59 <API> lets finish the meeting
 177 15:22:02 <API> thanks to be here
 178 15:22:40 <mgorse> Hmm   I wonder if the org.a11y.Bus.IsEnabled stuff should go in the quarterly report
 179 15:22:57 <clown> i'd think so.
 180 15:22:58 <API> mgorse, yes, I think that makes sense
 181 15:23:06 <API> after all, it was included on release notes,
 182 15:23:07 <mgorse> It's probably of more interest to XFCE and KDE people than for GNOME itself
 183 15:23:08 <API> right?
 184 15:23:18 <mgorse> yeah
 185 15:23:27 <mgorse> or was it? hmm
 186 15:23:40 <mgorse> was thinking of NEWS, which is different from the release notes
 187 15:24:02 <joanie> it got added to the release notes mgorse
 188 15:24:17 <joanie> they were looking for cool things to say about a11y
 189 15:24:33 <mgorse> ok
 190 15:24:42 <joanie> and saying "we spent this release cycle just trying to keep up with deprecations and other people's bugs" apparently isn't what they wanted.
 191 15:24:46 * joanie smiles
 192 15:24:56 <joanie> besides your work *is* cool
 193 15:24:59 <jhernandez> xDD
 194 15:25:00 <joanie> so we said it
 195 15:25:06 <clown> joanie, the truth is boring.
 196 15:25:13 <joanie> and sometimes hurts clown
 197 15:25:22 <joanie> most people like to be protected from the truth
 198 15:25:29 <clown> but, it's short and understandable...
 199 15:25:31 <jjmarin> it was "corrected" to be meaningless
 200 15:25:33 <joanie> lol
 201 15:25:45 <joanie> jjmarin: spindoctors spin
 202 15:25:59 <mgorse> I guess saying "gnome-terminal and nautilus are still accessible, even after gtk was refactored" isn't really a new feature :)
 203 15:26:02 <mgorse> even though it took work
 204 15:26:10 <joanie> mgorse: bingo :)
 205 15:26:11 <jjmarin> I had to help Spanish translator to understand the sentence
 206 15:26:34 * joanie wonders how to say "spin doctor" in Spanish
 207 15:27:11 <clown> my translator gave "interpretador político"
 208 15:27:29 <jjmarin> it's not a pop band ? :-)
 209 15:28:01 <joanie> heh
 210 15:28:02 <API> clown, so if you translate it back
 211 15:28:09 <API> "politic interpreter"
 212 15:28:21 <joanie> which is not the same thing
 213 15:28:31 <joanie> anyway, too miscellaneous even for misc time
 214 15:28:35 <jjmarin> politically correct lier :--)
 215 15:28:36 * joanie withdraws her question
 216 15:28:37 <API> yes
 217 15:28:42 <API> as I was saying before
 218 15:28:46 <API> lets finish the meeting
 219 15:28:50 <API> thanks to be here
 220 15:28:53 <clown> although polititians are spin doctors (or used them).
 221 15:29:00 <API> #endmeeting