14:35:51 <API> #startmeeting
14:35:51 <tota11y> Meeting started Thu Oct 27 14:35:51 2011 UTC.  The chair is API. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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14:36:04 <API> #topic GNOME 3.4 Feature Proposal Status
14:36:17 <API> #info API sent all the feature proposals last week
14:36:27 <clown> thank you API.
14:36:34 <API> #info the thread with more answers is the one related to eviacam
14:36:57 <API> #info it would be unlikely being accepted. Main concerns: wxwidgets and integration
14:37:17 <API> #info Some concerns to Dasher too, in relation with overview (so also integration)
14:37:36 <API> #info in the end API categorized the features, some ready to be integrated as core
14:37:56 <API> #info in the others just suggested to be included on GNOME ecosystem, as inkscape
14:38:34 <API> and well, clown can you gave the #info for your feature proposals?
14:38:51 <clown> sure, API.
14:39:10 <clown> #info with respect to the zoom options control panel.
14:39:23 <clown> #info Bastien has requested some changes to the UI for the dialog.
14:39:34 <clown> #info And, has invited me to post screen shots and discuss with him in #gnome-design.
14:39:42 <alibezz> jhernandez: hey!!!
14:39:44 <clown> #info I have been making these changes.
14:39:56 <clown> #info I hope to meet up with him (irc) later today.
14:40:08 <joanie> yay for clown
14:40:15 <clown> #info with respect to focus/caret tracking:
14:40:45 <clown> #info the only question (from Classen) was if this was specific to the magnifier, or could it be used by the onscreen keyboard.
14:40:59 <clown> #info I replied that it could be used by anyone...
14:41:15 <clown> #info but the first consumer would be the magnifier, most likely.
14:41:16 <clown> done.
14:41:48 <API> and I guess that this also covers 1.1 on the agenda
14:41:52 <API> so, people
14:42:04 <API> questions doubts about 3.4 and featue proposals?
14:42:15 <joanie> not from me
14:42:23 <joanie> Thanks (again) for doing all that API
14:43:13 <API> np
14:43:30 <API> joanie, you also answered some questions in relation with dots, right?
14:43:40 <API> but it was mostly a clarification, AFAIR
14:43:43 <joanie> yeah, only one if I recall
14:43:45 <joanie> yes
14:44:20 <joanie> #info There was only one person with questions about Dots (Matthias). And those were seeking clarification about how Dots works, rather than concerns.
14:44:39 <joanie> #info Joanie answered his questions and is hopeful Dots will be accepted.
14:44:40 <joanie> (done)
14:45:23 <API> a good questions would be know how those things would be accepted, anyway
14:45:48 <API> #info release-team is organizing a meeting (day not confirmed yet)
14:46:02 <API> #info probably GNOME 3.4 features would be part of the agenda
14:46:36 <API> so, moving on?
14:46:51 * joanie nods
14:47:23 <API> #topic Marketing and Fundraising
14:47:25 <API> jjmarin, ?
14:47:30 <jjmarin> Hi
14:47:51 <jjmarin> #info The Foundation and the marketing team  is committed to set an a11y FoG Campaign
14:48:38 <jjmarin> #Info The intention is to start the campaign running in December, or before,  for the Christmas time (gift-giving and so on)
14:49:04 <jjmarin> #info We finally agree that it will more practical not to set very concrete goals, like contracts
14:49:27 <jjmarin> #info because contracts/bids need to pass a long process of acceptation by the Foundation Board
14:50:10 <jjmarin> #info The marketing team is waiting for our a11y FoG goal
14:50:25 <jjmarin> question about this ?
14:50:49 <joanie> What is the next step from our end?
14:51:10 <joanie> Are we expecting to be contacted by someone, or are you staying on top of this and will tell us what we need to do and when?
14:51:29 <API> well, in the case of the performance contract we are waiting for ryan
14:51:35 <jjmarin> #action Juanjo will write the goal with the help of the a11y team
14:51:37 <API> but I guess that in the end we will require to ping him
14:51:50 <API> ah, yes, that also makes sense, thank jjmarin ;)
14:52:09 <API> btw, I guess that this also affects how that project that clown is defining
14:52:12 <jjmarin> yes, it is supposed there is message pending from Ryan
14:52:48 <API> as now this will became something that we need to send to Foundation
14:52:49 <clown> jjmarin:  are you going to write a first draft and then ask for our advice?
14:52:52 <API> as another project proposal
14:53:53 <jjmarin> clown: yes, I will write a draft and I'll ask for feedback, opinion
14:54:07 <clown> cool.  thanks jjmarin.
14:54:27 <joanie> jjmarin: It might also be worth it to note on our present a11y team FoG page, that this new direction is being taken
14:54:41 <joanie> in other words, do not delete what's there, but add a note that what's there is not what's current
14:54:47 <API> in that sense, and as I also mentioned on other mail
14:55:03 <API> as they want a list of general objetives, probably it would be good to update
14:55:05 <API> the roadmap
14:55:16 <API> and say that it would became the base of the projects to be defined
14:55:26 <API> https://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Roadmap
14:55:32 <API> what do you think?
14:55:51 <jjmarin> API: I think is good idea
14:56:05 <joanie> #action Joanie will review the present roadmap, taking into account FoG and the work that has already been completed. She will begin drafting a new roadmap for the upcoming two years.
14:56:57 <jjmarin> the set will be a sort of abstract of what problems a11y have  and what can we do with a link to our roadmap
14:57:58 <joanie> +1 jjmarin
14:58:41 <API> after all, we created that Roadmap because the Foundation asked that
14:58:50 * joanie nods
14:58:56 <API> because they wanted to say what a company willing to fund a11y project could fund
14:59:03 <API> s/say/know
14:59:34 <jjmarin> the abstract won't be long. It must be short and easy to understand
15:00:05 <API> makes sense, for details we have the roadmap
15:00:15 <joanie> jjmarin: aw crap. I wanted us to make it long and confusing. You really are not any fun. :-P
15:00:40 <jjmarin> yes, I don't ;-)
15:01:13 <jjmarin> suggestions, questions, jokes ?
15:01:21 <joanie> ;)
15:01:43 <clown> why did the chicken cross the road?
15:01:51 <API> well, nothing, just thanks for your work on the meeting
15:01:53 <API> yesterday
15:02:01 <jjmarin> clown: LoL :-)
15:02:02 <API> clown, why not?
15:02:09 <API> so, moving on?
15:02:14 <clown> because it was too far to walk around...
15:02:19 * joanie nods
15:02:27 <jjmarin> :-) :-)
15:02:54 <API> #topic hackfest update
15:02:58 <API> not too much to say
15:03:09 <API> #info still waiting for ryan answers to API questions
15:03:16 <API> #action API will directly contact him
15:03:27 <API> #info For the moment the current plan in action is Brno
15:03:39 <API> #info Igalia offices are still available if this plan drops
15:03:55 <API> joanie, I'm forgetting something?
15:04:03 <joanie> Sorry, multiple pings
15:04:09 * joanie reads
15:04:45 <joanie> For now, nothing to add to the minutes
15:05:05 <joanie> There is a possibility of there being a larger Summit in Brno
15:05:16 <API> ah yes true
15:05:18 <joanie> I've mentioned this to both Brian Cameron and Karen Sandler
15:05:21 <API> documentation, right?
15:05:23 <joanie> and they both like the idea
15:05:30 <joanie> doc team will also be there
15:05:47 <joanie> But at the moment it is up to the Foundation Board and Executive Director to decide if this is worth doing
15:06:18 <joanie> but it might not hurt for people to keep mid Feb free for Brno, even if they are not part of the ATK hackfest.
15:06:24 <joanie> (done)
15:07:43 <API> ok, so
15:07:45 <joanie> I guess I should #info something suitable for the minutes....
15:07:46 <API> questions, doubts?
15:07:53 * joanie thinks of the wording
15:07:58 <API> ok, waiting for pretty #info (s)
15:08:08 <clown> make is short and easy to understand, joanie
15:08:20 <jjmarin> :-)
15:08:20 * clown hids
15:08:27 * clown and hides, too.
15:09:00 <joanie> #info Given that there are likely to be other groups meeting in Brno, Joanie has suggested that it might be worth having a Brno Summit (Boston Summit style)
15:09:17 <joanie> #info These suggestions were made casually and in informal conversations.
15:09:31 <joanie> #info It is up to the Board to decide if pursuing this event is worth doing.
15:10:17 <joanie> #info Given the *possibility* of this occurring, however, team members interested in attending a larger GNOME event in February should be on the lookout for announcements regarding this possibility.
15:10:21 <joanie> (done)
15:10:33 <API> thanks
15:10:37 <API> and now my previous questios
15:10:39 <API> questions
15:10:42 <API> questions, doubts?
15:10:47 <joanie> jokes?
15:10:54 <jjmarin> :-)
15:11:09 <clown> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TTxgrLUb7c
15:11:25 * clown is not really trying to derail the meeting.
15:11:36 <jjmarin> LoL it's real !!! :-)
15:11:40 <joanie> It just comes naturally clown?
15:11:44 * joanie hides
15:12:08 * clown hey, this bush is my hiding spot.  go find your own.
15:12:29 <API> people, behave yourself, we are not in misc time yet
15:12:30 <API> so
15:12:34 <API> moving on ...
15:12:51 <API> #topic Team Quarterly Reports (Q3)
15:13:11 <clown> https://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/QuarterlyReports/2011/Q3
15:13:11 <API> #info yet another ping, people should write the quarterly reports
15:13:28 <API> I guess that this is a short topic
15:14:14 <API> so moving
15:14:19 <API> #topic miscellaneous time
15:14:27 <joanie> NOW can we misbehave?
15:14:43 <API> yes sure, but first
15:14:48 <joanie> You'd think at my age I'd be more like an adult.
15:14:50 <API> someone have something to say
15:14:54 <joanie> ;)
15:14:57 <API> not included on agenda?
15:16:25 <jjmarin> it sounds like API _knows_ someone should say sth, I hope it's not me :-)
15:17:07 <API> sth?
15:17:15 <API> Im totally lost
15:17:17 <aleiva> something
15:17:18 <joanie> jjmarin: Nah. API would poke you with a stick were that the case.
15:17:19 <aleiva> ;-)
15:17:27 <mgorse> FYI, I'm trying to get Firefox patched so it won't think a11y is always disabled on GNOME 3. Hoping it'll maybe get in without needing ten rounds of review...
15:17:35 <clown> API, I *think* you are in Spain, if that helps.
15:17:54 <joanie> mgorse: Woo hoo! You rock!!
15:18:02 <API> mgorse, so firefox also have ten rounds or review, like clown zoom dialog?
15:18:09 <mgorse> should have done that a while ago rather than assuming that someone at Mozilla would do it, I guess :)
15:18:13 <clown> mgorse:  right on!
15:18:20 * joanie grins
15:18:31 <mgorse> API: Well, the other bug we worked on had more than that
15:18:55 <API> well, I guess that 10 is just figurative, and just mean "review over review and review again"
15:19:30 <API> but good to know that you din't enter on berserker mode
15:21:36 <API> ... is the sound ... of the silence
15:21:46 <API> well folks, today we were really fast on the meeting
15:21:56 <API> so as nobody is adding anything to misc times
15:21:59 <API> lets finish the meeting
15:22:02 <API> thanks to be here
15:22:40 <mgorse> Hmm   I wonder if the org.a11y.Bus.IsEnabled stuff should go in the quarterly report
15:22:57 <clown> i'd think so.
15:22:58 <API> mgorse, yes, I think that makes sense
15:23:06 <API> after all, it was included on release notes,
15:23:07 <mgorse> It's probably of more interest to XFCE and KDE people than for GNOME itself
15:23:08 <API> right?
15:23:18 <mgorse> yeah
15:23:27 <mgorse> or was it? hmm
15:23:40 <mgorse> was thinking of NEWS, which is different from the release notes
15:24:02 <joanie> it got added to the release notes mgorse
15:24:17 <joanie> they were looking for cool things to say about a11y
15:24:33 <mgorse> ok
15:24:42 <joanie> and saying "we spent this release cycle just trying to keep up with deprecations and other people's bugs" apparently isn't what they wanted.
15:24:46 * joanie smiles
15:24:56 <joanie> besides your work *is* cool
15:24:59 <jhernandez> xDD
15:25:00 <joanie> so we said it
15:25:06 <clown> joanie, the truth is boring.
15:25:13 <joanie> and sometimes hurts clown
15:25:22 <joanie> most people like to be protected from the truth
15:25:29 <clown> but, it's short and understandable...
15:25:31 <jjmarin> it was "corrected" to be meaningless
15:25:33 <joanie> lol
15:25:45 <joanie> jjmarin: spindoctors spin
15:25:59 <mgorse> I guess saying "gnome-terminal and nautilus are still accessible, even after gtk was refactored" isn't really a new feature :)
15:26:02 <mgorse> even though it took work
15:26:10 <joanie> mgorse: bingo :)
15:26:11 <jjmarin> I had to help Spanish translator to understand the sentence
15:26:34 * joanie wonders how to say "spin doctor" in Spanish
15:27:11 <clown> my translator gave "interpretador político"
15:27:29 <jjmarin> it's not a pop band ? :-)
15:28:01 <joanie> heh
15:28:02 <API> clown, so if you translate it back
15:28:09 <API> "politic interpreter"
15:28:21 <joanie> which is not the same thing
15:28:31 <joanie> anyway, too miscellaneous even for misc time
15:28:35 <jjmarin> politically correct lier :--)
15:28:36 * joanie withdraws her question
15:28:37 <API> yes
15:28:42 <API> as I was saying before
15:28:46 <API> lets finish the meeting
15:28:50 <API> thanks to be here
15:28:53 <clown> although polititians are spin doctors (or used them).
15:29:00 <API> #endmeeting