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   1 14:35:48 <API> #startmeeting
   2 14:35:48 <tota11y> Meeting started Thu Oct 20 14:35:48 2011 UTC.  The chair is API. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
   3 14:35:48 <tota11y> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
   4 14:36:01 <API> #topic Hackfest Update
   5 14:36:11 * joanie smiles
   6 14:36:34 <clown> quick someone take a picture.
   7 14:36:37 <API> #info organizing that during webkitgtk hackfests became more difficult that initially thought
   8 14:36:57 <API> #info at this moment it is planned around 20 people on that hackfest
   9 14:37:25 <API> #info organizing a parallel event seems complex due noise and coordination
  10 14:37:46 <API> #info ryan lortie proposed us to check the possibility to do that on Brno at February
  11 14:37:54 <API> #info he is trying to organize a gtk hackfest there
  12 14:38:13 <API> #info right now we made some question to him related to space and so on
  13 14:38:23 <API> #info waiting for his answers
  14 14:38:28 <API> questions, doubts?
  15 14:38:58 <clown> Brno?
  16 14:39:23 <API> Czech republic
  17 14:39:24 <aleiva> clown: Czech Republic
  18 14:39:36 <clown> you guys are twins, right?
  19 14:39:38 <clown> thanks.
  20 14:39:40 <aleiva> clown: same name
  21 14:39:43 <jjmarin> Red Hat has is European headquarter there
  22 14:41:04 <aleiva> API: estimated date?
  23 14:41:10 <aleiva> first half of february? second
  24 14:41:33 <API> aleiva, looking
  25 14:41:53 <API> https://live.gnome.org/Hackfests/DeveloperConference2012
  26 14:41:57 <API> 17-18 february
  27 14:42:19 <aleiva> API: ok, thanks
  28 14:43:49 <API> so fregl mgorse what about those dates?
  29 14:43:58 <API> are ok if plan a) is finally canceled?
  30 14:44:02 <joanie> those datesish (right API?)
  31 14:44:09 <joanie> i.e. we need more than 2 days
  32 14:44:35 <mgorse> I think so
  33 14:44:43 <API> hmm, true, another thing to ask Ryan
  34 14:45:09 <joanie> well, even if Ryan's event is 2 days....
  35 14:45:26 <joanie> my point is that we're looking at middle of Feb in the Czech Republic
  36 14:45:55 <mgorse> guess I need to add "try to learn some Czech" to my check list of things to do
  37 14:46:04 <joanie> ha!
  38 14:46:21 <API> #action ask ryan about the days
  39 14:46:36 <API> ok, so moving or more questions?
  40 14:46:57 <joanie> moving I think
  41 14:47:01 <API> ok
  42 14:47:19 <API> #topic GNOME 3.4 Feature Proposal
  43 14:47:24 <clown> quick note:  your action needs an agent, API
  44 14:47:33 <joanie> clown: I'll edit later
  45 14:47:35 <API> well, me for example ;)
  46 14:47:38 <API> anyway
  47 14:47:43 <clown> okay, joanie
  48 14:47:51 <API> about the feature proposal, we don't need to go module by module
  49 14:47:52 <API> so
  50 14:48:27 <API> #infor API sent a draft to Patrick (Dasher), clown (magnification), cesar (eviacam)
  51 14:48:34 <API> #info they sent some corrections
  52 14:48:53 <API> #info joanie will sent the information about dots soon
  53 14:49:00 <joanie> (today)
  54 14:49:12 <API> #info API plans to send that feature proposals soon, tomorrow or this weekend
  55 14:49:22 <joanie> thanks API!
  56 14:49:22 <API> #info deadline for feature proposal: 24 October
  57 14:49:30 <API> so, questions doubts?
  58 14:49:40 <clown> as I said in my email to you, API...
  59 14:50:00 <clown> do we want to inlcude zoom options dialog (unversal access), and focus/caret tracking?
  60 14:50:12 <joanie> I think we do
  61 14:50:25 <clown> okay, I"ve written a draft for the dialog work.
  62 14:50:31 <joanie> focus/caret tracking really needs to happen (she says beating the dead horse)
  63 14:50:43 <aleiva> xD
  64 14:50:45 <clown> I'll write the focus/caret one today, and get them to you API by tomorrow.
  65 14:50:51 <clown> neigh!
  66 14:51:00 <clown> (ain't quite dead yet)
  67 14:51:01 <API> clown, include all the things that you think that will be ready for 3.4
  68 14:51:03 <joanie> I got to demonstrate its lack in heidi's class a couple of weeks ago. ;-)
  69 14:51:04 <API> on likely
  70 14:51:11 <heidi> I agree!
  71 14:51:37 <heidi> Having focus and caret tracking would be really useful for my students.
  72 14:51:51 <joanie> (not to mention users with low vision) ;-)
  73 14:52:03 <heidi> :-) Yes! That too!
  74 14:52:18 <clown> well, you just have to start up orca (inciting joanie to continue to beat that horse).
  75 14:52:26 <API> well, yes but although it is required, we are proposing features for 3.4
  76 14:52:28 <heidi> :-)
  77 14:52:36 <API> if clown feels that will not be ready at that moment
  78 14:52:37 <heidi> Joanie's visit was a HUGE help for my students.
  79 14:52:50 <API> just add it as "future work" and we could propose it for 3.6
  80 14:53:05 <clown> API, if all the other stuff was already there and didn't need to be discussed, focus tracking would be there by 3.4
  81 14:53:28 <clown> "other stuff" = the brightness etc. effect and the zoom options.
  82 14:53:56 <API> clown, ok, but in that case it would be good something like a plan on your comments
  83 14:54:06 <API> for the others was easy, as the work is already there
  84 14:54:53 <clown> API, I dont understand "a plan on your comments".  Can you clarify?
  85 14:55:41 <API> well, I mean explain that it is a feature to be started (AFAIK), and that you plan to develop in time for 3.4
  86 14:55:54 <clown> okay, that works for me.
  87 14:55:58 <clown> thanks.
  88 14:56:25 <API> ok, so anything else here?
  89 14:56:37 * clown wonders when the FoG grant will come through — would help to justify the work with me supervisors.
  90 14:56:37 <API> Did I forget any module or feature to propose?
  91 14:57:01 <API> clown, next point
  92 14:57:11 <API> s/point/topic
  93 14:57:15 <clown> yeah...
  94 14:59:38 <API> so, no questions?
  95 14:59:50 <jjmarin> what's "Reminder: Did you get Piñeiro your text?"
  96 15:00:22 <joanie> jjmarin: we have to get API our draft proposals
  97 15:00:27 <joanie> so that he can propose them
  98 15:00:36 <joanie> because some of us are "timid" (like me)
  99 15:00:37 <jjmarin> ah, ok
 100 15:00:44 <API> ok, so lets move
 101 15:00:57 <API> #topic Marketing and Fundraising
 102 15:01:08 <API> well, although they didn't contacted us directly
 103 15:01:18 <API> foundation published the log meetings
 104 15:01:30 <API> hmm
 105 15:01:36 <API> #info although they didn't contacted us directly
 106 15:01:40 <API> #info foundation published the log meetings
 107 15:01:50 <API> #info it seems that there are some misunderstandings
 108 15:02:02 <API> #info on the performance contract
 109 15:02:13 <API> #info as they are suggesting to make it wider
 110 15:02:36 <API> #info that sound odd to us, as we alway said that this is a bid, so if approved anyone could participate
 111 15:02:44 <API> #info that log says that Ryan Lortie would contact us
 112 15:02:53 <API> #info waiting right now
 113 15:03:10 <API> that's in relation with the performance contract, part of the FoG thing
 114 15:03:19 <API> so jjmarin something from your side?
 115 15:03:37 <jjmarin> ok
 116 15:04:12 <jjmarin> #action Juanjo will attend tomorrow 21st to the marketing meeting to be informed about fundraising campaign plans and to propose an a11y campaign
 117 15:04:33 <jjmarin> quiet week, so tomorrow more news
 118 15:05:32 <API> ok, so in theory
 119 15:05:37 <API> sorry
 120 15:05:49 <API> so jjmarin do you think that it is required to have all the knots tied
 121 15:05:53 <API> on that performance proposal?
 122 15:06:16 <API> I mean that this one, and the one proposed by clown are proofs
 123 15:06:24 <jjmarin> No by now
 124 15:06:25 <API> that something is required and biddable
 125 15:06:26 <jjmarin> I think
 126 15:06:48 <jjmarin> I only want to know if the marketing team will do this a11y campaign
 127 15:07:03 <API> ok
 128 15:07:48 <API> so, people, more questions and thoughts?
 129 15:09:09 <jjmarin> nop
 130 15:09:33 <API> ok
 131 15:09:38 <API> #topic Team Quarterly Reports (Q3)
 132 15:09:45 <API> well, this is another reminder
 133 15:10:15 <API> #info Reminder, write the Q3 Team Quarterly Reports
 134 15:10:23 <API> questions thoughts doubts?
 135 15:10:26 <joanie> aleiva: on that front, it would be nice to be able to write something up (carefully and politically correct) about your work with eZoom
 136 15:11:00 <joanie> Stormy has suggested that several times to me that we need to highlight F123's contribution to GNOME.
 137 15:11:22 <API> politically correct?
 138 15:11:23 <joanie> that it happens to be to handle something that's not in gnome is, well, something I can help you with in terms of the language
 139 15:11:50 <joanie> eZoom ain't GNOME (never was) and now it doesn't even run in GNOME because it's part of compiz
 140 15:12:11 <aleiva> joanie: ok, I'll draft somthing
 141 15:12:13 <joanie> but words are things we can play with
 142 15:12:36 <joanie> because highlight amongst our major achievements work outside of GNOME might not be viewed favorably
 143 15:12:46 <joanie> which is where the wordsmithing comes in ;-)
 144 15:13:49 <joanie> aleiva: thanks!
 145 15:14:03 <jjmarin> Maybe we can talk about our free desktop a11y compromise and help GNOME a11y tools be used in other env -- brainstorm mode off
 146 15:14:26 <joanie> jjmarin: We'll take care of it. It will be fine
 147 15:14:38 <jjmarin> :-)
 148 15:15:12 <API> ok, so lets move
 149 15:15:18 * API today we were really fast
 150 15:15:26 <API> #topic miscellanous time
 151 15:15:46 <API> people, some of you want to say something not included on the agenda?
 152 15:16:49 <joanie> API yeah, when you run the meeting and I keep my mouth shut, things tend to fly by. Go figure. :-P
 153 15:17:08 <clown> :-)
 154 15:17:30 <API> and of course you are a bunch of timid people
 155 15:17:50 <clown> agreed
 156 15:18:56 <jjmarin> what do you think eviacam proposal ? The hard point is wxWidgets
 157 15:19:22 <jjmarin> BTW, sorry for not present today the informal report about wxWidgets
 158 15:21:52 <API> jjmarin, well, for me that would  be a complex point
 159 15:21:59 <API> but at least we need to ask
 160 15:22:18 <API> btw, that gtk3 thing, in the end probably is not so important
 161 15:22:29 <API> after all, as cesar pointed some apps didn'¡t migrate yet
 162 15:22:33 <API> for example gimp
 163 15:22:59 <API> that app that provide the "g" to "GTK" :P
 164 15:23:15 <jjmarin> but gimp is not a core GNOME apps AFAIK
 165 15:23:59 <API> well no
 166 15:24:07 <API> but at least it is included on gnome moduleset
 167 15:24:21 <API> if we start with that, it is a first victory
 168 15:24:31 <jjmarin> Anyway, it's just another way to use GTK
 169 15:24:41 <API> and being core apps is hard
 170 15:25:06 <jjmarin> and we will take care that it will use GTK in the GNOMIE way :-)
 171 15:25:06 <API> unless you got the status of "basic for GNOME 3.x" like gnome shell
 172 15:26:02 <jjmarin> people who need it, will vote that it is pretty basic :-)
 173 15:29:02 <API> well, it seems that this time miscellaneous time was mostly empty
 174 15:29:03 <API> ;)
 175 15:29:07 <API> so, as  nobody is talking
 176 15:29:12 <API> lets finish the meeting
 177 15:29:16 <API> thanks all folks
 178 15:29:18 <API> #endmeeting

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