Attachment '20111020_log.txt'
Download 1 14:35:48 <API> #startmeeting
2 14:35:48 <tota11y> Meeting started Thu Oct 20 14:35:48 2011 UTC. The chair is API. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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4 14:36:01 <API> #topic Hackfest Update
5 14:36:11 * joanie smiles
6 14:36:34 <clown> quick someone take a picture.
7 14:36:37 <API> #info organizing that during webkitgtk hackfests became more difficult that initially thought
8 14:36:57 <API> #info at this moment it is planned around 20 people on that hackfest
9 14:37:25 <API> #info organizing a parallel event seems complex due noise and coordination
10 14:37:46 <API> #info ryan lortie proposed us to check the possibility to do that on Brno at February
11 14:37:54 <API> #info he is trying to organize a gtk hackfest there
12 14:38:13 <API> #info right now we made some question to him related to space and so on
13 14:38:23 <API> #info waiting for his answers
14 14:38:28 <API> questions, doubts?
15 14:38:58 <clown> Brno?
16 14:39:23 <API> Czech republic
17 14:39:24 <aleiva> clown: Czech Republic
18 14:39:36 <clown> you guys are twins, right?
19 14:39:38 <clown> thanks.
20 14:39:40 <aleiva> clown: same name
21 14:39:43 <jjmarin> Red Hat has is European headquarter there
22 14:41:04 <aleiva> API: estimated date?
23 14:41:10 <aleiva> first half of february? second
24 14:41:33 <API> aleiva, looking
25 14:41:53 <API> https://live.gnome.org/Hackfests/DeveloperConference2012
26 14:41:57 <API> 17-18 february
27 14:42:19 <aleiva> API: ok, thanks
28 14:43:49 <API> so fregl mgorse what about those dates?
29 14:43:58 <API> are ok if plan a) is finally canceled?
30 14:44:02 <joanie> those datesish (right API?)
31 14:44:09 <joanie> i.e. we need more than 2 days
32 14:44:35 <mgorse> I think so
33 14:44:43 <API> hmm, true, another thing to ask Ryan
34 14:45:09 <joanie> well, even if Ryan's event is 2 days....
35 14:45:26 <joanie> my point is that we're looking at middle of Feb in the Czech Republic
36 14:45:55 <mgorse> guess I need to add "try to learn some Czech" to my check list of things to do
37 14:46:04 <joanie> ha!
38 14:46:21 <API> #action ask ryan about the days
39 14:46:36 <API> ok, so moving or more questions?
40 14:46:57 <joanie> moving I think
41 14:47:01 <API> ok
42 14:47:19 <API> #topic GNOME 3.4 Feature Proposal
43 14:47:24 <clown> quick note: your action needs an agent, API
44 14:47:33 <joanie> clown: I'll edit later
45 14:47:35 <API> well, me for example ;)
46 14:47:38 <API> anyway
47 14:47:43 <clown> okay, joanie
48 14:47:51 <API> about the feature proposal, we don't need to go module by module
49 14:47:52 <API> so
50 14:48:27 <API> #infor API sent a draft to Patrick (Dasher), clown (magnification), cesar (eviacam)
51 14:48:34 <API> #info they sent some corrections
52 14:48:53 <API> #info joanie will sent the information about dots soon
53 14:49:00 <joanie> (today)
54 14:49:12 <API> #info API plans to send that feature proposals soon, tomorrow or this weekend
55 14:49:22 <joanie> thanks API!
56 14:49:22 <API> #info deadline for feature proposal: 24 October
57 14:49:30 <API> so, questions doubts?
58 14:49:40 <clown> as I said in my email to you, API...
59 14:50:00 <clown> do we want to inlcude zoom options dialog (unversal access), and focus/caret tracking?
60 14:50:12 <joanie> I think we do
61 14:50:25 <clown> okay, I"ve written a draft for the dialog work.
62 14:50:31 <joanie> focus/caret tracking really needs to happen (she says beating the dead horse)
63 14:50:43 <aleiva> xD
64 14:50:45 <clown> I'll write the focus/caret one today, and get them to you API by tomorrow.
65 14:50:51 <clown> neigh!
66 14:51:00 <clown> (ain't quite dead yet)
67 14:51:01 <API> clown, include all the things that you think that will be ready for 3.4
68 14:51:03 <joanie> I got to demonstrate its lack in heidi's class a couple of weeks ago. ;-)
69 14:51:04 <API> on likely
70 14:51:11 <heidi> I agree!
71 14:51:37 <heidi> Having focus and caret tracking would be really useful for my students.
72 14:51:51 <joanie> (not to mention users with low vision) ;-)
73 14:52:03 <heidi> :-) Yes! That too!
74 14:52:18 <clown> well, you just have to start up orca (inciting joanie to continue to beat that horse).
75 14:52:26 <API> well, yes but although it is required, we are proposing features for 3.4
76 14:52:28 <heidi> :-)
77 14:52:36 <API> if clown feels that will not be ready at that moment
78 14:52:37 <heidi> Joanie's visit was a HUGE help for my students.
79 14:52:50 <API> just add it as "future work" and we could propose it for 3.6
80 14:53:05 <clown> API, if all the other stuff was already there and didn't need to be discussed, focus tracking would be there by 3.4
81 14:53:28 <clown> "other stuff" = the brightness etc. effect and the zoom options.
82 14:53:56 <API> clown, ok, but in that case it would be good something like a plan on your comments
83 14:54:06 <API> for the others was easy, as the work is already there
84 14:54:53 <clown> API, I dont understand "a plan on your comments". Can you clarify?
85 14:55:41 <API> well, I mean explain that it is a feature to be started (AFAIK), and that you plan to develop in time for 3.4
86 14:55:54 <clown> okay, that works for me.
87 14:55:58 <clown> thanks.
88 14:56:25 <API> ok, so anything else here?
89 14:56:37 * clown wonders when the FoG grant will come through — would help to justify the work with me supervisors.
90 14:56:37 <API> Did I forget any module or feature to propose?
91 14:57:01 <API> clown, next point
92 14:57:11 <API> s/point/topic
93 14:57:15 <clown> yeah...
94 14:59:38 <API> so, no questions?
95 14:59:50 <jjmarin> what's "Reminder: Did you get Piñeiro your text?"
96 15:00:22 <joanie> jjmarin: we have to get API our draft proposals
97 15:00:27 <joanie> so that he can propose them
98 15:00:36 <joanie> because some of us are "timid" (like me)
99 15:00:37 <jjmarin> ah, ok
100 15:00:44 <API> ok, so lets move
101 15:00:57 <API> #topic Marketing and Fundraising
102 15:01:08 <API> well, although they didn't contacted us directly
103 15:01:18 <API> foundation published the log meetings
104 15:01:30 <API> hmm
105 15:01:36 <API> #info although they didn't contacted us directly
106 15:01:40 <API> #info foundation published the log meetings
107 15:01:50 <API> #info it seems that there are some misunderstandings
108 15:02:02 <API> #info on the performance contract
109 15:02:13 <API> #info as they are suggesting to make it wider
110 15:02:36 <API> #info that sound odd to us, as we alway said that this is a bid, so if approved anyone could participate
111 15:02:44 <API> #info that log says that Ryan Lortie would contact us
112 15:02:53 <API> #info waiting right now
113 15:03:10 <API> that's in relation with the performance contract, part of the FoG thing
114 15:03:19 <API> so jjmarin something from your side?
115 15:03:37 <jjmarin> ok
116 15:04:12 <jjmarin> #action Juanjo will attend tomorrow 21st to the marketing meeting to be informed about fundraising campaign plans and to propose an a11y campaign
117 15:04:33 <jjmarin> quiet week, so tomorrow more news
118 15:05:32 <API> ok, so in theory
119 15:05:37 <API> sorry
120 15:05:49 <API> so jjmarin do you think that it is required to have all the knots tied
121 15:05:53 <API> on that performance proposal?
122 15:06:16 <API> I mean that this one, and the one proposed by clown are proofs
123 15:06:24 <jjmarin> No by now
124 15:06:25 <API> that something is required and biddable
125 15:06:26 <jjmarin> I think
126 15:06:48 <jjmarin> I only want to know if the marketing team will do this a11y campaign
127 15:07:03 <API> ok
128 15:07:48 <API> so, people, more questions and thoughts?
129 15:09:09 <jjmarin> nop
130 15:09:33 <API> ok
131 15:09:38 <API> #topic Team Quarterly Reports (Q3)
132 15:09:45 <API> well, this is another reminder
133 15:10:15 <API> #info Reminder, write the Q3 Team Quarterly Reports
134 15:10:23 <API> questions thoughts doubts?
135 15:10:26 <joanie> aleiva: on that front, it would be nice to be able to write something up (carefully and politically correct) about your work with eZoom
136 15:11:00 <joanie> Stormy has suggested that several times to me that we need to highlight F123's contribution to GNOME.
137 15:11:22 <API> politically correct?
138 15:11:23 <joanie> that it happens to be to handle something that's not in gnome is, well, something I can help you with in terms of the language
139 15:11:50 <joanie> eZoom ain't GNOME (never was) and now it doesn't even run in GNOME because it's part of compiz
140 15:12:11 <aleiva> joanie: ok, I'll draft somthing
141 15:12:13 <joanie> but words are things we can play with
142 15:12:36 <joanie> because highlight amongst our major achievements work outside of GNOME might not be viewed favorably
143 15:12:46 <joanie> which is where the wordsmithing comes in ;-)
144 15:13:49 <joanie> aleiva: thanks!
145 15:14:03 <jjmarin> Maybe we can talk about our free desktop a11y compromise and help GNOME a11y tools be used in other env -- brainstorm mode off
146 15:14:26 <joanie> jjmarin: We'll take care of it. It will be fine
147 15:14:38 <jjmarin> :-)
148 15:15:12 <API> ok, so lets move
149 15:15:18 * API today we were really fast
150 15:15:26 <API> #topic miscellanous time
151 15:15:46 <API> people, some of you want to say something not included on the agenda?
152 15:16:49 <joanie> API yeah, when you run the meeting and I keep my mouth shut, things tend to fly by. Go figure. :-P
153 15:17:08 <clown> :-)
154 15:17:30 <API> and of course you are a bunch of timid people
155 15:17:50 <clown> agreed
156 15:18:56 <jjmarin> what do you think eviacam proposal ? The hard point is wxWidgets
157 15:19:22 <jjmarin> BTW, sorry for not present today the informal report about wxWidgets
158 15:21:52 <API> jjmarin, well, for me that would be a complex point
159 15:21:59 <API> but at least we need to ask
160 15:22:18 <API> btw, that gtk3 thing, in the end probably is not so important
161 15:22:29 <API> after all, as cesar pointed some apps didn'¡t migrate yet
162 15:22:33 <API> for example gimp
163 15:22:59 <API> that app that provide the "g" to "GTK" :P
164 15:23:15 <jjmarin> but gimp is not a core GNOME apps AFAIK
165 15:23:59 <API> well no
166 15:24:07 <API> but at least it is included on gnome moduleset
167 15:24:21 <API> if we start with that, it is a first victory
168 15:24:31 <jjmarin> Anyway, it's just another way to use GTK
169 15:24:41 <API> and being core apps is hard
170 15:25:06 <jjmarin> and we will take care that it will use GTK in the GNOMIE way :-)
171 15:25:06 <API> unless you got the status of "basic for GNOME 3.x" like gnome shell
172 15:26:02 <jjmarin> people who need it, will vote that it is pretty basic :-)
173 15:29:02 <API> well, it seems that this time miscellaneous time was mostly empty
174 15:29:03 <API> ;)
175 15:29:07 <API> so, as nobody is talking
176 15:29:12 <API> lets finish the meeting
177 15:29:16 <API> thanks all folks
178 15:29:18 <API> #endmeeting
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