14:35:48 <API> #startmeeting
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14:36:01 <API> #topic Hackfest Update
14:36:11 * joanie smiles
14:36:34 <clown> quick someone take a picture.
14:36:37 <API> #info organizing that during webkitgtk hackfests became more difficult that initially thought
14:36:57 <API> #info at this moment it is planned around 20 people on that hackfest
14:37:25 <API> #info organizing a parallel event seems complex due noise and coordination
14:37:46 <API> #info ryan lortie proposed us to check the possibility to do that on Brno at February
14:37:54 <API> #info he is trying to organize a gtk hackfest there
14:38:13 <API> #info right now we made some question to him related to space and so on
14:38:23 <API> #info waiting for his answers
14:38:28 <API> questions, doubts?
14:38:58 <clown> Brno?
14:39:23 <API> Czech republic
14:39:24 <aleiva> clown: Czech Republic
14:39:36 <clown> you guys are twins, right?
14:39:38 <clown> thanks.
14:39:40 <aleiva> clown: same name
14:39:43 <jjmarin> Red Hat has is European headquarter there
14:41:04 <aleiva> API: estimated date?
14:41:10 <aleiva> first half of february? second
14:41:33 <API> aleiva, looking
14:41:53 <API> https://live.gnome.org/Hackfests/DeveloperConference2012
14:41:57 <API> 17-18 february
14:42:19 <aleiva> API: ok, thanks
14:43:49 <API> so fregl mgorse what about those dates?
14:43:58 <API> are ok if plan a) is finally canceled?
14:44:02 <joanie> those datesish (right API?)
14:44:09 <joanie> i.e. we need more than 2 days
14:44:35 <mgorse> I think so
14:44:43 <API> hmm, true, another thing to ask Ryan
14:45:09 <joanie> well, even if Ryan's event is 2 days....
14:45:26 <joanie> my point is that we're looking at middle of Feb in the Czech Republic
14:45:55 <mgorse> guess I need to add "try to learn some Czech" to my check list of things to do
14:46:04 <joanie> ha!
14:46:21 <API> #action ask ryan about the days
14:46:36 <API> ok, so moving or more questions?
14:46:57 <joanie> moving I think
14:47:01 <API> ok
14:47:19 <API> #topic GNOME 3.4 Feature Proposal
14:47:24 <clown> quick note:  your action needs an agent, API
14:47:33 <joanie> clown: I'll edit later
14:47:35 <API> well, me for example ;)
14:47:38 <API> anyway
14:47:43 <clown> okay, joanie
14:47:51 <API> about the feature proposal, we don't need to go module by module
14:47:52 <API> so
14:48:27 <API> #infor API sent a draft to Patrick (Dasher), clown (magnification), cesar (eviacam)
14:48:34 <API> #info they sent some corrections
14:48:53 <API> #info joanie will sent the information about dots soon
14:49:00 <joanie> (today)
14:49:12 <API> #info API plans to send that feature proposals soon, tomorrow or this weekend
14:49:22 <joanie> thanks API!
14:49:22 <API> #info deadline for feature proposal: 24 October
14:49:30 <API> so, questions doubts?
14:49:40 <clown> as I said in my email to you, API...
14:50:00 <clown> do we want to inlcude zoom options dialog (unversal access), and focus/caret tracking?
14:50:12 <joanie> I think we do
14:50:25 <clown> okay, I"ve written a draft for the dialog work.
14:50:31 <joanie> focus/caret tracking really needs to happen (she says beating the dead horse)
14:50:43 <aleiva> xD
14:50:45 <clown> I'll write the focus/caret one today, and get them to you API by tomorrow.
14:50:51 <clown> neigh!
14:51:00 <clown> (ain't quite dead yet)
14:51:01 <API> clown, include all the things that you think that will be ready for 3.4
14:51:03 <joanie> I got to demonstrate its lack in heidi's class a couple of weeks ago. ;-)
14:51:04 <API> on likely
14:51:11 <heidi> I agree!
14:51:37 <heidi> Having focus and caret tracking would be really useful for my students.
14:51:51 <joanie> (not to mention users with low vision) ;-)
14:52:03 <heidi> :-) Yes! That too!
14:52:18 <clown> well, you just have to start up orca (inciting joanie to continue to beat that horse).
14:52:26 <API> well, yes but although it is required, we are proposing features for 3.4
14:52:28 <heidi> :-)
14:52:36 <API> if clown feels that will not be ready at that moment
14:52:37 <heidi> Joanie's visit was a HUGE help for my students.
14:52:50 <API> just add it as "future work" and we could propose it for 3.6
14:53:05 <clown> API, if all the other stuff was already there and didn't need to be discussed, focus tracking would be there by 3.4
14:53:28 <clown> "other stuff" = the brightness etc. effect and the zoom options.
14:53:56 <API> clown, ok, but in that case it would be good something like a plan on your comments
14:54:06 <API> for the others was easy, as the work is already there
14:54:53 <clown> API, I dont understand "a plan on your comments".  Can you clarify?
14:55:41 <API> well, I mean explain that it is a feature to be started (AFAIK), and that you plan to develop in time for 3.4
14:55:54 <clown> okay, that works for me.
14:55:58 <clown> thanks.
14:56:25 <API> ok, so anything else here?
14:56:37 * clown wonders when the FoG grant will come through — would help to justify the work with me supervisors.
14:56:37 <API> Did I forget any module or feature to propose?
14:57:01 <API> clown, next point
14:57:11 <API> s/point/topic
14:57:15 <clown> yeah...
14:59:38 <API> so, no questions?
14:59:50 <jjmarin> what's "Reminder: Did you get Piñeiro your text?"
15:00:22 <joanie> jjmarin: we have to get API our draft proposals
15:00:27 <joanie> so that he can propose them
15:00:36 <joanie> because some of us are "timid" (like me)
15:00:37 <jjmarin> ah, ok
15:00:44 <API> ok, so lets move
15:00:57 <API> #topic Marketing and Fundraising
15:01:08 <API> well, although they didn't contacted us directly
15:01:18 <API> foundation published the log meetings
15:01:30 <API> hmm
15:01:36 <API> #info although they didn't contacted us directly
15:01:40 <API> #info foundation published the log meetings
15:01:50 <API> #info it seems that there are some misunderstandings
15:02:02 <API> #info on the performance contract
15:02:13 <API> #info as they are suggesting to make it wider
15:02:36 <API> #info that sound odd to us, as we alway said that this is a bid, so if approved anyone could participate
15:02:44 <API> #info that log says that Ryan Lortie would contact us
15:02:53 <API> #info waiting right now
15:03:10 <API> that's in relation with the performance contract, part of the FoG thing
15:03:19 <API> so jjmarin something from your side?
15:03:37 <jjmarin> ok
15:04:12 <jjmarin> #action Juanjo will attend tomorrow 21st to the marketing meeting to be informed about fundraising campaign plans and to propose an a11y campaign
15:04:33 <jjmarin> quiet week, so tomorrow more news
15:05:32 <API> ok, so in theory
15:05:37 <API> sorry
15:05:49 <API> so jjmarin do you think that it is required to have all the knots tied
15:05:53 <API> on that performance proposal?
15:06:16 <API> I mean that this one, and the one proposed by clown are proofs
15:06:24 <jjmarin> No by now
15:06:25 <API> that something is required and biddable
15:06:26 <jjmarin> I think
15:06:48 <jjmarin> I only want to know if the marketing team will do this a11y campaign
15:07:03 <API> ok
15:07:48 <API> so, people, more questions and thoughts?
15:09:09 <jjmarin> nop
15:09:33 <API> ok
15:09:38 <API> #topic Team Quarterly Reports (Q3)
15:09:45 <API> well, this is another reminder
15:10:15 <API> #info Reminder, write the Q3 Team Quarterly Reports
15:10:23 <API> questions thoughts doubts?
15:10:26 <joanie> aleiva: on that front, it would be nice to be able to write something up (carefully and politically correct) about your work with eZoom
15:11:00 <joanie> Stormy has suggested that several times to me that we need to highlight F123's contribution to GNOME.
15:11:22 <API> politically correct?
15:11:23 <joanie> that it happens to be to handle something that's not in gnome is, well, something I can help you with in terms of the language
15:11:50 <joanie> eZoom ain't GNOME (never was) and now it doesn't even run in GNOME because it's part of compiz
15:12:11 <aleiva> joanie: ok, I'll draft somthing
15:12:13 <joanie> but words are things we can play with
15:12:36 <joanie> because highlight amongst our major achievements work outside of GNOME might not be viewed favorably
15:12:46 <joanie> which is where the wordsmithing comes in ;-)
15:13:49 <joanie> aleiva: thanks!
15:14:03 <jjmarin> Maybe we can talk about our free desktop a11y compromise and help GNOME a11y tools be used in other env -- brainstorm mode off
15:14:26 <joanie> jjmarin: We'll take care of it. It will be fine
15:14:38 <jjmarin> :-)
15:15:12 <API> ok, so lets move
15:15:18 * API today we were really fast
15:15:26 <API> #topic miscellanous time
15:15:46 <API> people, some of you want to say something not included on the agenda?
15:16:49 <joanie> API yeah, when you run the meeting and I keep my mouth shut, things tend to fly by. Go figure. :-P
15:17:08 <clown> :-)
15:17:30 <API> and of course you are a bunch of timid people
15:17:50 <clown> agreed
15:18:56 <jjmarin> what do you think eviacam proposal ? The hard point is wxWidgets
15:19:22 <jjmarin> BTW, sorry for not present today the informal report about wxWidgets
15:21:52 <API> jjmarin, well, for me that would  be a complex point
15:21:59 <API> but at least we need to ask
15:22:18 <API> btw, that gtk3 thing, in the end probably is not so important
15:22:29 <API> after all, as cesar pointed some apps didn'¡t migrate yet
15:22:33 <API> for example gimp
15:22:59 <API> that app that provide the "g" to "GTK" :P
15:23:15 <jjmarin> but gimp is not a core GNOME apps AFAIK
15:23:59 <API> well no
15:24:07 <API> but at least it is included on gnome moduleset
15:24:21 <API> if we start with that, it is a first victory
15:24:31 <jjmarin> Anyway, it's just another way to use GTK
15:24:41 <API> and being core apps is hard
15:25:06 <jjmarin> and we will take care that it will use GTK in the GNOMIE way :-)
15:25:06 <API> unless you got the status of "basic for GNOME 3.x" like gnome shell
15:26:02 <jjmarin> people who need it, will vote that it is pretty basic :-)
15:29:02 <API> well, it seems that this time miscellaneous time was mostly empty
15:29:03 <API> ;)
15:29:07 <API> so, as  nobody is talking
15:29:12 <API> lets finish the meeting
15:29:16 <API> thanks all folks
15:29:18 <API> #endmeeting