10:36 <@joanie> So.... Agenda is in the topic
10:37 <@joanie> API had another obligation
10:37 <@joanie> I put boring Administrivia first because my DayJob boss yesterday rescheduled our weekly one-on-one (just for this week) to 15:00 UTC.
10:37 <@joanie> I hope to blow through the boring stuff quickly, so I've pre-typed and will C&P for the purpose of moving on. :-)
10:37 <@joanie> 1. Need to update the GNOME 3 status page.
10:37 < fer> haha, great
10:37 < fer> :)
10:37 <@joanie> https://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/GNOME3
10:37 <@joanie> Release Team pinged API. If you have a section on the GNOME 3 page, please update your status.
10:38 <@joanie> And if you don't have any updates, I'd ask that you take the time to update the date of your section so that we know it's current. 
10:38 <@joanie> Questions?
10:38 < clown> good idea.
10:38 < fer> no questions
10:38 < fer> action item for all :)
10:38 < clown> if I have updates for things other than my section, I'll update that too.
10:38 <@joanie> So, Action Item for everyone: Update your status
10:38 <@joanie> bingo fer
10:38 <@joanie> clown: super thanks!!
10:38  >>> fer needs a weekend at home to try to get gnome-mag working with gtk3
10:39 <@joanie> 2. Q4's
10:39  >>> clown just a weekend?
10:39 <@joanie> Q4's are way overdue. (Including Orca's).
10:39 < clown> :-)
10:39 <@joanie> I think we're OK because there's no way that the Q4's will go out without a Foundation Board report or a Finance report and those do not appear here: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/QuarterlyReports/2010/Q4
10:39 <@joanie> My excuse (and it is an excuse) is working hard on GNOME 3. Now that we're at Code Freeze.... I plan to write Orca's. And then to summarize what reports have been submitted.
10:39 < fer> clown: just for the painting. Cursor tracking is another story :)
10:39 <@joanie> Questions?
10:39 < clown> joanie, Q4 for 2010?
10:39 <@joanie> clown: Yeah.
10:39 <@joanie> :-/
10:40  >>> clown notes that almost time for Q1
10:40 <@joanie> Yeah.
10:40 <@joanie> :-/
10:40 <@joanie> GNOME 3, DayJob, yadda yadda
10:40 <@joanie> But the board and others haven't done theirs...
10:40 < clown> indeed.
10:40 <@joanie> So....
10:40 <@joanie> Stormy used to stay on top of that
10:40 <@joanie> Stormy is gone.
10:40 <@joanie> Action Item for everyone who has not written Q4s: Write 'em. :-)
10:41 <@joanie> Moving on
10:41 <@joanie> 3. Can we do a 2.32.x+1 AT-SPI and ATK release?
10:41 <@joanie> Fer sent this message to the Orca list: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/2011-March/msg00188.html
10:41 <@joanie> As I have subsequently responded, there are going to be distros not making the jump to AT-SPI2 this spring. Thus I personally think we want to see an AT-SPI1 and ATk1 release if possible. And then ping distros.
10:41 ::: jhernandez [~jhernande@83.175.203.146] joined #a11y-meeting
10:41 <@joanie> Thoughts?
10:41  >>> clown reading
10:41 < fer> we should do it
10:42 < fer> will atk release be different?
10:42 <@joanie> I dunno
10:42 < fer> I mean, do we have atk gnome-2-32 branch and master for gnome-3?
10:42 <@joanie> I didn't look at your patches
10:42 < fer> let me check in a sec
10:42 <@joanie> oh
10:42 <@joanie> gnome-3 deprecates atk I think
10:43 <@joanie> that's all in Mike's work
10:43 <@joanie> I assume Li branched
10:43 <@joanie> but he might not have
10:43 < fer> we have gnome-2-30 and master
10:43 < fer> so maybe putting it on gnome-2-30 would work
10:43 < fer> or just creating a gnome-2-32 for a new release
10:43 <@joanie> easy enough to change the version.
10:43 < fer> the patch should be straight forward
10:43 <@joanie> yup
10:44 < fer> put me an action item to port the at-spi2 patch to at-spi1
10:44 < fer> and we are done with this :)
10:44 <@joanie> Super!!!!!
10:44 <@joanie> Fer you rock
10:44 <@joanie> Moving on
10:44 <@joanie> 4. Are 'weekly reminders' still needed?
10:44 <@joanie> As an experiment, I intentionally failed to send out the 'gentle reminder' message to the ml.
10:44 <@joanie> Now that meetings are always at the same time, and most people who come are already in #a11y.... Is the reminder something that needs doing? If so, I'll continue. If not, I'll just ping the group in #a11y.
10:44 <@joanie> thoughts?
10:44 < fer> I think it's ok
10:44 < clown> one thing, joanie...
10:44  >>> tbsaunde fine with it
10:45 <@joanie> To have it or to skip it fer ?
10:45 <@joanie> clown: ?
10:45 < fer> unless someone complain next week about he missed it because of not reminder
10:45 < clown> last week I was "early" because of the switch to DST here.
10:45 < fer> although we should send again next week, because europe daysaving change
10:45 < fer> daylight saving even :)
10:45 <@joanie> okay
10:45 < aleiva> an automatic reminder would be good
10:45 < clown> and, I think DST is different throughout the world, and over the next little while timezones will be updating.
10:45 < clown> so, it might be useful to send out reminders for the next month, say.
10:46 <@joanie> clown: Fair enough
10:46 < clown> after that, everyone should be in the groove.
10:46 < fer> yup
10:46 <@joanie> although I will say that in the last meeting announcement (the one after the time switch)
10:46 <@joanie> I did mention the time switch
10:46 < clown> and, then do it all again next fall...
10:46 < aleiva> what I mean is, newcomer or other projects should be notice about our meeting, I think is a good thing
10:46 <@joanie> mind you I didn't say "And Canada"
10:46 <@joanie> ;-)
10:46 <@joanie> aleiva: Automatic on the list?
10:47 < aleiva> joanie: something like that, like a calendar event
10:47 < clown> yeah, never mind this massage chunk of geography just to your north... ;-)
10:47 <@joanie> aleiva: Yeah we've talked about having a gnome calendar for a11y
10:47 <@joanie> Ok so I think the conclusion is sounding like:
10:47 < aleiva> joanie: that should do the trick
10:47 <@joanie> 1. I need to keep doing them
10:48 <@joanie> 2. I need to look into a calendar for a11y team
10:48 <@joanie> Right?
10:48 < aleiva> the more automatic the less effort from your side :-)
10:48 < clown> +1
10:48 < aleiva> but ok
10:48 <@joanie> aleiva: Yay!
10:48 < clown> +2
10:48 < jhernandez> +1
10:48  >>> fer has no opinion on this :)
10:48 <@joanie> last boring item then
10:48 <@joanie> Atk Hackfest update
10:48 <@joanie>  I believe API and/or I have pinged everyone affected, but just in case: We do have hackfest money in our team budget. So we can sponsor a couple of people who need travel reimbursement.
10:49 <@joanie> BUT, the conclusion is that it is *reimbursement*. In other words, if you need the sponsorship, you need to apply to the travel committee. AND you need to book your own hotel.
10:49 <@joanie> We will not be asking the Foundation to book it like we did for Sevilla.
10:49 <@joanie> Questions?
10:49 < fer> that's right. I sent details to the Adobe guy that asked about it. And also asked API about igalia making invitation letters for people that need visa
10:49 <@joanie> cool
10:50 <@joanie> poor API is crazy-busy
10:50 < fer> I should poke mario :)
10:50 <@joanie> but if he can push that off onto colleagues....
10:50 <@joanie> Mario is too, but slightly less on the crazy side I think. :-)
10:50 <@joanie> Anyhoo
10:50 <@joanie> done with boring stuff
10:50 <@joanie> woohoo
10:50 <@joanie> 2. GNOME 3 A11y Testing Distro Update
10:51 <@joanie> jhernandez: the floor is yours my friend
10:51 < jhernandez> ok, thx!
10:51 < jhernandez> ;)
10:51 < jhernandez> at this moment, we have a first spin
10:51  >>> fer is happy about it including firefox 4, thanks jhernandez!
10:52 < jhernandez> i think that spin could be a great beginning, now, after test the distro, I can make customizations we need
10:52 < jhernandez> fer: ;)
10:52 <@joanie> https://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/TestingDistro
10:52 < jhernandez> at this moment i have a littñle
10:53 < jhernandez> * a little TODO list
10:53 < jhernandez> to customize the distro for our needs
10:54 < jhernandez> There are basically three needs: Distro customizations, Automatic rpm builds, Automatic distro build
10:55 < jhernandez> For the first, I need that you say to me these customizations, based on you special needs
10:56  >>> joanie likes the idea of automatic rpm builds
10:56 < jhernandez> so, I'll expose requeriments I know, and you should help to me to grow up this list
10:57 < clown> would it be useful to add a preferences dialog for the gnome-shell magnifier?  that dialog would not be part of any rpm
10:57 < jhernandez> joanie, this is inline with "we're always on the bleeding edge"
10:57 < jhernandez> ;)
10:57 <@joanie> :-)
10:57 <@joanie> awesome
10:57 < jhernandez> clown, mmm, what preferences are you talking about?
10:58 < clown> the ones in the gsettings-desktop-schemas module.
10:58 < jhernandez> clown, ok
10:58 < clown> the settings are there, but there is no way for a user to configure them.
10:59 < clown> well...
10:59 < jhernandez> clown, i'll give a look to this
10:59 < clown> unless the user is familiar with gsettings and knows how to change them.
10:59 < clown> a dialog would make that eaier.
10:59 < clown> "easier"
10:59 < clown> just a thought...
11:00 < jhernandez> so, I'll start by editting the wiki with these customizations list, and I'll poke you for growin it up
11:00 < jhernandez> ok?
11:00 <@joanie> sounds good to me
11:00 <@joanie> thanks jhernandez!
11:00 < jhernandez> clown, i'll give a look, takes sense
11:00 < jhernandez> ;)
11:00 < jhernandez> ok joanie
11:00 <@joanie> ok == you're done jhernandez?
11:00 < clown> jhernandez, fyi:  there are a couple of such dialogs as patches, currently.
11:01 < jhernandez> so, at this moment I don't have more things to talk about, but if you have doubts, just shoot it!
11:01 < clown> we can talk about it later.
11:01 < jhernandez> ok clown
11:01 < jhernandez> ;)
11:01 < clown> :-)
11:01 < jhernandez> joanie, yes i'm done!
11:01 <@joanie> btw guys, I have my re-scheduled DayJob one-on-one now. My boss is notorious for saying "call back later" so I might be right back, but....
11:01 <@joanie> The last topic is GNOME 3 Updates
11:02 <@joanie> assuming my boss doesn't say 'call back later'
11:02  >>> clown notes that that isn't a single topic...
11:02 <@joanie> if someone could take the gavel from me
11:02 <@joanie> and aleiva can say anything about Orca that needs saying
11:02 <@joanie> it would be awesome
11:02 < aleiva> yup
11:02  >>> joanie dials her agency
11:02 ::: joanie is now known as joanie_mtg
11:02  >>> fer has to run also in 10 mins
11:03 < aleiva> so GNOME3 Updates
11:03 < aleiva> sadly I don't have any news about
11:03 < aleiva> someone?
11:03 ::: joanie_mtg is now known as joanie
11:03  >>> joanie laughs
11:03 <@joanie> boss is sick
11:03 < aleiva> awesome
11:03 < jhernandez> cool!
11:03 < clown> hi joanie!  welcom back! ;-)
11:03  >>> aleiva pass the gavel to joanie and back to coffe
11:03 <@joanie> crazy DayJob
11:03 < fer> I have a point regarding GNOME 3.2
11:04 <@joanie> fer: go for it
11:04 < fer> so we probably send what we want to do for it on d-d-l
11:04 < fer> the thing that scares me more is the Caribou vs. gnome-shell own OnScreenKeyboard thing
11:05 <@joanie> Well, I think on that front, one option is for Caribou to look more gnome-shell-like
11:06 <@joanie> I hope to figure out (or be told) what they expect Orca's gui to look like
11:06 < clown> caribou uses gtk?  I assume g-s-osk uses St?
11:06 <@joanie> so that we can make our screen reader for users who are blind visually appealing to the design team.
11:07 < fer> hahaha
11:07 < aleiva> xD
11:07 < fer> we need a bot to store great quotes like that :)
11:07 <@joanie> (sorry, I really do need to get my snark gene surgically removed)
11:08 < Pendulum> :)
11:08 < aleiva> anyway I think that the gs team want to embed the setting into their configuration panel
11:08 < aleiva> or something like that
11:08 <@joanie> aleiva: and the problem with that is that they don't want all the settings we have
11:08 < aleiva> but we have tons of settings... so
11:08 <@joanie> so I think we will need to find a way to hide stuff
11:08 <@joanie> or have an advanced options
11:08 <@joanie> or something
11:08 <@joanie> the gui work we're doing should make it possible to easily use ST
11:09 <@joanie> and to be honest, ST should be our "proof of concept" rather than Qt. Qt just works it seems and should be fully implemented in our work. 
11:09 <@joanie> But that's a topic for Orca team meeting.
11:09 <@joanie> So back to Caribou
11:09 <@joanie> guys what should we do?
11:10 <@joanie> Eitan (eeejay) is the maintainer
11:10 < fer> poke Eitan to start discussion?
11:10 <@joanie> we could do that
11:10 <@joanie> fer are you volunteering? Or should API and/or I poke him?
11:10 <@joanie> :-)
11:11 < fer> I can
11:11 <@joanie> cool Action Item is yours fer 
11:11 < aleiva> fer action item
11:11  >>> joanie and API are behind on our existing AI's
11:11 < aleiva> sorry, fer action man
11:11 < fer> haha
11:11 <@joanie> lol
11:12 <@joanie> fer, fer the action man. If he can't do it, no one can!
11:12  >>> joanie is a poet
11:12 <@joanie> Ok, so other GNOME 3ish things?
11:12 < aleiva> Accerciser is broken
11:12 < fer> is it?
11:13 <@joanie> in at-spi1 or 2?
11:13 < aleiva> I think so
11:13 < aleiva> 2
11:13 < aleiva> try to compile it with jhbuild
11:13  >>> fer didn't update his build in 1 week
11:13 <@joanie> you have the latest at-spi2?
11:13 < aleiva> no because also fails to compile in my system but I'm sure that its a local problem
11:13 < aleiva> or maybe not
11:13 < fer> I can check while reviewing past action items :)
11:13 < aleiva> but mario and me are suffering Accerciser breakage
11:14 <@joanie> aleiva: API said at-spi2 wasn't working in jhbuild
11:14 < aleiva> joanie: in the configuration phase?
11:14 <@joanie> I mentioned that to elluca
11:14  >>> joanie looks
11:14 <@joanie> I am just a minion
11:14 <@joanie> :-P
11:14 < aleiva> :-P
11:14 < fer> also at-spi2 registry is starting in a different way IIRC
11:14 <@joanie> Trying this:
11:14 <@joanie> jbuild build at-spi2-atk
11:14 <@joanie> This doesn't compile at-spi2-core, so it seems that the jbuild
11:14 <@joanie> moduleset are broken here, although probably this can be solved with
11:14 <@joanie> just a bug.
11:15 <@joanie> (is what API said)
11:15 < aleiva> so the final result is, in hard code freeze at-spi2-atk and Accerciser are broken
11:15 <@joanie> :-(
11:15 < fer> but build fixes are ok
11:15 <@joanie> So I guess we need to do two things
11:15 < fer> we don't need review/approval for that
11:15 <@joanie> 1. Figure out what the f is up
11:15 <@joanie> fer: I think we need to ask
11:15 <@joanie> but it gets blessed immediately
11:16 <@joanie> 2. Ping whoever we need to (Mike or Brian) to fix whatever needs fixing
11:16 < fer> so who is getting the build sheriff star this evening ?
11:16 <@joanie> Hah!
11:16  >>> aleiva looks to jhernandez 
11:16  >>> jhernandez looks to the floor .....
11:16 < jhernandez> xDDDD
11:16 < jhernandez> just a joke!
11:17 < jhernandez> :P
11:17  >>> joanie looks up from the floor back at jhernandez 
11:17 < aleiva> I think is clear
11:17 <@joanie> what is?
11:18 < aleiva> who is (shoot) the sheriff
11:18 <@joanie> lol
11:18 < jhernandez> of course, I'm here for contribute a11y ;)
11:18 < aleiva> jhernandez: can you try to build it and report it?
11:18 <@joanie> jhernandez: do you have time to see what the story is on this (Accerciser and at-spi2)?
11:18 < jhernandez> for me it's not a prob
11:18 <@joanie> woohoo!
11:18 <@joanie> jhernandez: you are awesome
11:18 < jhernandez> yes, of course, I can do that
11:19  >>> joanie notes (yet again) how lucky we are to have the Spanish guys
11:19 < jhernandez> ;)
11:21 <@joanie> okay, so other GNOME 3 stuff?
11:22 <@joanie> If not, API's "Misc Time"
11:22 <@joanie> floor is open for whatever
11:22  >>> joanie sits on it
11:24 < fer> this is not the same without API
11:24 < jhernandez> yes
11:24 <@joanie> yeah, but as you will recall from two meetings ago, API killed Misc Time
11:24 < aleiva> fer: absolutely we need a serious man
11:24 < clown> not me...
11:24 < aleiva> clown: sure not
11:24 < jhernandez> LOL 
11:24 <@joanie> Do I lose because of gender or seriousosity?
11:25 <@joanie> (I know. Both)
11:25 < aleiva> :-P
11:25 < clown> who said you lose?
11:25 <@joanie> < aleiva> fer: absolutely we need a serious man
11:25 <@joanie> clown: Ale did
11:25  >>> joanie pouts
11:25 < aleiva> joanie: nope
11:26 < aleiva> that's not what I mean
11:26 < aleiva> anyway, go on
11:26  >>> joanie sits quietly while aleiva tries to dig himself out
11:26 <@joanie> :-P
11:26 <@joanie> I've got nothing more myself
11:26  >>> clown hands aleiva a shovel.
11:26 <@joanie> so if no one else does
11:26 < fer> ok, now I have to run
11:26 < fer> see you guys!
11:26 <@joanie> fer: k thanks for everything!
11:27 < clown> bye fer.
11:27 < aleiva> fer: thanks dude!
11:27 < clown> good luck this weekend...
11:27 <@joanie> so... Meeting adjourned?
11:27  >>> joanie lifts gavel
11:27  >>> joanie prepares to bang it
11:27 < clown> going once, ...
11:27  >>> joanie bangs it
11:27 ::: fer [~fer@62.228.18.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] quit [Saliendo]
11:28 <@joanie> too late
11:28 <@joanie> lol
11:28 <@joanie> meeting adjourned 
11:28 <@joanie> thanks for coming y'all!
11:28  >>> clown waves goodbye!
11:28 < aleiva> bye guys
11:28 ::: aleiva [~gloob@petersburgo.euler.es] left #a11y-meeting []
11:28 < Pendulum> thanks for running the meeting!
11:28 < jhernandez> bye all!