- Should we continue having the 07:00/15:00 meeting time split?
Bastien updated the Universal Access Settings and some orca tips. see https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=638205
- Mattias Clasen gail revamp
- AT registration on at-spi2?
- Miscellaneous time
- Joanie, Joseph, Li, Mike, Piñeiro, Trev
- Arrived late: Ale, Brian
- The 07:00 UTC meeting time was created for people mainly in China and Australia.
- The people for whom that meeting time is intended, are rarely able to join us at that time.
- Having the meeting at the same time every week would be easier to remember.
- Li indicated that he should be able to make the 15:00 meeting time.
- Mike pointed out that we should be willing to reconsider the decision in the future as team members change. The team concurred.
- Joseph offered to make the meeting at 14:30 rather than 15:00, i.e. for Li and others for whom the 07:00 meeting was intended.
- Li indicated the slightly earlier time would work well for him.
- Other team members agreed that the earlier time would be acceptable for them.
- Meetings will be at the same time each week.
- The new time will be 14:30 UTC.
Universal Access Settings
- Now the gsetting that says if a11y is enabled is toolkit-accessibility.
- This new setting is intended to become activated if you enable the screen reader.
- In the new universal access settings there is no longer a "enable accessibility checkbutton."
Bastien also provided a patch (committed) so that if the screen reader is enabled in the universal access settings, Orca is started.
- Mike asked where the settings were in GNOME 3. Piñeiro responded in the Universal Access Settings Dialog which you can access via gnome-shell or via the classic desktop.
- Joseph asked if there is a reason to turn off accessibility once it is on as there did not appear to be a dialog to turn it off.
- Piñeiro responded that as far as he understood it, accessibility will be turned off (i.e. the registry will quit) if it is not required.
- Li asked about the atk bridge and gail. Piñeiro responded that this change doesn't involve either; that is currently done by the .desktop files.
- Piñeiro added that the only thing directly using this gsetting is gnome-shell.
- Piñeiro also stated that there are a lot of doubts about the integration part of the accessibility support.
- Ale asked if the gnome-shell accessibility support was documented on the wiki, blogs, etc.
- Piñeiro responded that he plans to make a blog post soon.
- This requires some testing with a gnome 3 "compliant" environment.
- Piñeiro will blog about it soon.
Mattias Clasen gail revamp
Piñeiro reported that Matthias was testing gail and discovered some issues. This led to him stating that a general review of the current situation is needed. Matthias wants to take this opportunity to move gail into gtk itself. Mattias has an experimental branch (drop-gail)
- Li responded that he is working on this and has committed a patch to move gailarrow to gtkarrow yesterday.
- Piñeiro asked about Mattias' statement that it will be required to review part of the focus management code, presumably in gail.c: Is Mattias planning on doing this now or after the move?
- Li believes it will be after the move.
- Piñeiro asked where the gail.c code will be placed or if gail.c will just be moved.
- Li was not sure but thought it would be a gtkmodule, with a file for initialization. But he doesn't know where it will be kept.
- Piñeiro asked if Li will be able to continue working on this effort.
- Li responded that he believed he would as long as "nothing with higher priority comes out."
- Li added that this should give us the opportunity to solve many very old gail bugs, which he had filed even before he was the maintainer.
- Mike mentioned that this will hopefully help with treeview performance, adding that Mattias implied that it might.
- Li responded that this move creates opportunities to fix things, but much more work will still be needed.
AT registration on at-spi2?
Piñeiro sent a mail to gnome-accessibility-devel
- Li stated that although he thinks it is a good idea, it is something that we need to check.
- Joanie stated that it sounded like a good idea, but she is leaving it up to people like Li and Mike to comment on its feasibility.
- Li responded that we can try it.
- Piñeiro pointed out that most people do not require accessibility support.
- Mike asked if Piñeiro was proposing we make this change for GNOME 3.0.
- Piñeiro responded that this was his proposal; rather than make a bug to be added on to the "towards atk2.0" work.
- Mike stated that right now AT-SPI2 shouldn't send events over the wire if no one is listening, but it will still listen for gail events.
- Piñeiro replied that he wasn't talking about at-spi2, but the bridge which sends the gail (atk implementor) events to at-spi2.
- Mike stated that we'd then load gail and atk-bridge all the time, and only really enable atk-bridge when accessibility is enabled
- Piñeiro asked if Mike was proposing to just avoid the overhead if accessibility is enabled instead of a AT registration method?
- Mike responded that this was his interpretation of Piñeiro's proposal and that it was not clear to him how else we could have it register.
- The discussion was concluded by Piñeiro on the grounds that the meeting was not the place to discuss technical details.
- The team seems to think this is a good idea in general.
- Piñeiro will create a bug and discuss the details there.
Joseph reported that Magnifier settings have been moved outside of gnome-shell and that the Universal Access Settings will enable magnifier configuration.
- Mike asked if the code had already been committed and if it was okay to add it now?
- Trev responded that it has not been committed as that would require breaking freeze.
- Piñeiro replied that it was his understanding that Fer made a change to avoid the ABI break.
Summary of Action Items
- The team should test the new Universal Access Settings dialog in a GNOME 3 "compliant" environment.
- Piñeiro will create a bug for his AT registration on AT-SPI2 proposal.
Joanie will keep LibreOffice and working with that community on her list.
- Thursday, 3 March, at 14:30 UTC in #a11y-meeting on irc.gnome.org