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   3 Nov 11 07:40:00 *	Now talking on #a11y
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   5 Nov 11 07:40:01 *	Topic for #a11y set by Bryen at Sat Apr 10 00:34:07 2010
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  10 Nov 11 08:05:51 <aleiva>	morning or something similar
  11 Nov 11 08:06:01 <joanie>	aleiva: dang you're up too
  12 Nov 11 08:06:17 <joanie>	way to go dedicated (but sleep-deprived) Orca team
  13 Nov 11 08:06:29 <API>	hello, I think that 5 minutes waiting for sleepy people is enough
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  15 Nov 11 08:08:01 <aleiva>	so
  16 Nov 11 08:08:10 <API>	well, checking agenda
  17 Nov 11 08:08:14 <API>	today here
  18 Nov 11 08:08:17 <aleiva>	ok, thanks API :-)
  19 Nov 11 08:08:23 *	danigm_out is now known as danigm
  20 Nov 11 08:08:23 <API>	http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Minutes/20101104#Agenda_for_the_next_meeting
  21 Nov 11 08:09:12 <API>	1. is this google-in code in....
  22 Nov 11 08:09:28 <API>	I guess that finally we would require to contact Bryen directly
  23 Nov 11 08:09:50 <API>	so lets move to point 2
  24 Nov 11 08:09:54 <API>	Boston summit
  25 Nov 11 08:10:06 <API>	so, impressions?
  26 Nov 11 08:10:08 <API>	AFAIR
  27 Nov 11 08:10:23 <API>	joanie, aleiva mgorse were there
  28 Nov 11 08:12:06 <joanie>	Well, let's see
  29 Nov 11 08:12:20 <joanie>	we actually got to attend Heidi's student's presentation
  30 Nov 11 08:12:25 <joanie>	which was very cool 
  31 Nov 11 08:12:58 <joanie>	But it also seems like these students could use some more guidance from us
  32 Nov 11 08:13:36 <joanie>	And if I recall correctly, Heidi's not been able to connect with the folks currently working on Caribou from the CFR
  33 Nov 11 08:13:46 <joanie>	aleiva is going to help with that
  34 Nov 11 08:13:52 <joanie>	(the connections)
  35 Nov 11 08:14:13 *	joanie pauses to see if aleiva has anything to add on that front (Heidi/caribou)
  36 Nov 11 08:14:58 *	joanie assumes not
  37 Nov 11 08:15:01 <joanie>	okay, moving on
  38 Nov 11 08:15:04 <aleiva>	nothing more, we agree that we need to connect current people that is doing
  39 Nov 11 08:15:07 <aleiva>	thanks for wait
  40 Nov 11 08:15:15 <joanie>	we also met with the gnome-shell folks
  41 Nov 11 08:15:27 <joanie>	and some others regarding a11y infrastructurey things
  42 Nov 11 08:15:31 <joanie>	but mostly the shell
  43 Nov 11 08:15:56 <joanie>	Lots of discussion on how to "integrate" (or get better working together) Orca and gnome-shell
  44 Nov 11 08:16:00 <joanie>	and lots of good ideas
  45 Nov 11 08:16:05 <API>	a11y infrastructurey things?
  46 Nov 11 08:16:06 <joanie>	and plenty of questions
  47 Nov 11 08:16:14 <joanie>	API yeah
  48 Nov 11 08:16:15 <joanie>	:-)
  49 Nov 11 08:16:37 <joanie>	Benjamin Otte is taking an interest in Atk, AT-SPI, toolkit implementation, etc.
  50 Nov 11 08:16:48 <joanie>	which I think is marvelous because it seems that he is brilliant
  51 Nov 11 08:17:01 <joanie>	and brilliant fresh blood from existing developers is always welcome
  52 Nov 11 08:17:03 <API>	he is thinking on help on this part?
  53 Nov 11 08:17:14 <joanie>	that isn't entirely clear to me
  54 Nov 11 08:17:20 <joanie>	he's definitely curious and concerned
  55 Nov 11 08:17:24 <joanie>	and busy with other things
  56 Nov 11 08:17:41 <API>	yes, AFAIK he is really busy
  57 Nov 11 08:17:42 <joanie>	I encouraged Benjamin to ask his questions on the gnome-accessibility-list
  58 Nov 11 08:17:52 <API>	he id doing all this gdk revamp
  59 Nov 11 08:18:02 <API>	he was here to the gtk hackfest
  60 Nov 11 08:18:06 <API>	and he will be here
  61 Nov 11 08:18:10 <joanie>	even if all he does is participate in discussions to help us think things through, that would be someting
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  64 Nov 11 08:19:49 *	Now talking on #a11y
  65 Nov 11 08:19:55 <API>	urgh
  66 Nov 11 08:19:59 <joanie>	heh
  67 Nov 11 08:20:04 <joanie>	welcome back API
  68 Nov 11 08:20:12 <API>	for any reason I was logged out
  69 Nov 11 08:20:14 <API>	anyway
  70 Nov 11 08:20:16 <API>	blabla
  71 Nov 11 08:20:18 <joanie>	so as I was saying (or about to say)
  72 Nov 11 08:20:22 <API>	Benjamin is really busy
  73 Nov 11 08:20:30 <joanie>	since Benjamin will be in Coruña
  74 Nov 11 08:20:30 <API>	he will be here (coruña) again for the webkig
  75 Nov 11 08:20:35 <joanie>	and since you're already there
  76 Nov 11 08:20:37 <API>	webkitgtk hackfest
  77 Nov 11 08:20:40 <joanie>	perhaps you can touch base with him
  78 Nov 11 08:20:48 <joanie>	about Boston and his thoughts and his questions
  79 Nov 11 08:21:01 <joanie>	(you really should have been at the Summit API)
  80 Nov 11 08:21:08 <joanie>	anyway....
  81 Nov 11 08:21:22 <API>	well, if he is really interested he would touch base by himself ;)
  82 Nov 11 08:21:25 <API>	anyway
  83 Nov 11 08:21:37 <joanie>	Point taken
  84 Nov 11 08:21:41 <API>	anything else about boston summit?
  85 Nov 11 08:21:46 <joanie>	But as I was also told at the summit
  86 Nov 11 08:22:01 <joanie>	we are apparently expected to be The ReacherOuters
  87 Nov 11 08:22:03 <joanie>	:-P
  88 Nov 11 08:22:13 <joanie>	aleiva: other things about the summit
  89 Nov 11 08:22:17 *	joanie yields the floor
  90 Nov 11 08:22:24 <aleiva>	compiz-ezoom
  91 Nov 11 08:22:28 <joanie>	ohhh
  92 Nov 11 08:22:28 <joanie>	yeah
  93 Nov 11 08:22:39 <joanie>	aleiva: do share please
  94 Nov 11 08:22:40 <joanie>	:-)
  95 Nov 11 08:22:54 <aleiva>	multitasking, sorry
  96 Nov 11 08:22:54 <aleiva>	so
  97 Nov 11 08:23:07 <API>	you were told to be the reachouters?
  98 Nov 11 08:23:09 <API>	explicitly?
  99 Nov 11 08:23:41 <aleiva>	we start to talk with Kristian about the current implementation of ezoom and what is needed to integrate in Orca
 100 Nov 11 08:24:55 <aleiva>	summarizing, Orca is a screen reader, magnifier is not our bussiness. Then, we define a roadmap to see what is needed to be done in ezoom to be compatible with at-spi
 101 Nov 11 08:26:06 <API>	ok
 102 Nov 11 08:26:13 <API>	mgorse, something from your side?
 103 Nov 11 08:26:47 <mgorse>	about the summit?
 104 Nov 11 08:26:50 <API>	yes
 105 Nov 11 08:27:05 <API>	we are now talking about boston summit update
 106 Nov 11 08:27:45 <mgorse>	I talked with j5 a bit; made progress on some gobject introspection related issues I was having with at-spi
 107 Nov 11 08:28:06 <API>	j5 is john palmieri?
 108 Nov 11 08:28:11 <aleiva>	yup
 109 Nov 11 08:28:12 <mgorse>	yes
 110 Nov 11 08:28:16 <API>	ok, thanks
 111 Nov 11 08:28:20 <API>	go on please
 112 Nov 11 08:28:50 <mgorse>	and went to the Caribou presentation and uniersal acessibility discussion, and some other general talks
 113 Nov 11 08:30:20 <API>	ok, thanks
 114 Nov 11 08:30:47 <API>	well, I think that it is enough about Boston Summit
 115 Nov 11 08:31:01 <API>	hmm, OgMaciel you were also on BSummit
 116 Nov 11 08:31:14 <API>	do you want to share anything?
 117 Nov 11 08:34:37 <API>	ok, enough time waiting ;)
 118 Nov 11 08:34:39 <API>	lets move
 119 Nov 11 08:34:53 <API>	next item
 120 Nov 11 08:34:55 <API>	Status of the migration to PyGObject GnomeGoals/PythonIntrospectionPorting https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=626218
 121 Nov 11 08:35:09 <API>	we already talked about this some months ago
 122 Nov 11 08:35:19 <API>	but I think that we postponed that
 123 Nov 11 08:35:35 <API>	because we were not sure about the pygobject status
 124 Nov 11 08:36:00 <API>	this affects at least, to orca, caribou and accerciser
 125 Nov 11 08:36:18 <API>	aleiva, joanie do you have any plan here?
 126 Nov 11 08:36:25 <aleiva>	I don't expect to be extremely hard in Orca if no side-effects appear
 127 Nov 11 08:36:29 *	joanie chuckles
 128 Nov 11 08:37:04 <API>	well, that would mean that it wouldnt be difficult to do
 129 Nov 11 08:37:08 <API>	my question was more
 130 Nov 11 08:37:09 <aleiva>	but, in the Orca side, nothing has been done yet. Only analyze the current situation of pygobject what's the difference and so
 131 Nov 11 08:37:18 <API>	yes, that
 132 Nov 11 08:38:08 <aleiva>	plan
 133 Nov 11 08:38:08 <aleiva>	the plan is I'm going to dig on it
 134 Nov 11 08:38:08 <aleiva>	this is a spare-time task, then
 135 Nov 11 08:38:14 <API>	hmm
 136 Nov 11 08:38:24 *	yevlempy is now known as yev|away
 137 Nov 11 08:38:37 <API>	but what we need to ask if pygtk is going to be deprecated to gnome 3.0
 138 Nov 11 08:38:42 <API>	if this is the case
 139 Nov 11 08:38:45 <aleiva>	anyway I expect it sooner than later
 140 Nov 11 08:38:57 <API>	this task is another gnome 3.0 risk
 141 Nov 11 08:40:13 <API>	bnitz, any plan on accerciser?
 142 Nov 11 08:41:57 <joanie>	aleiva: and I will help you of course
 143 Nov 11 08:41:57 <joanie>	but I'm defering to your expertise here 
 144 Nov 11 08:41:57 <joanie>	to figure out what it is we need to do
 145 Nov 11 08:41:57 <aleiva>	that's clear
 146 Nov 11 08:41:57 <aleiva>	is more the testing phase what where I need help
 147 Nov 11 08:41:57 <joanie>	I can help you with that as well
 148 Nov 11 08:41:57 <joanie>	though a full 3.0 testing environment is desired
 149 Nov 11 08:41:57 <joanie>	we can at least get started
 150 Nov 11 08:41:57 <aleiva>	I know, thanks joanie 
 151 Nov 11 08:41:57 <aleiva>	API: replying to your question, the plan is try to add this in our tight schedule
 152 Nov 11 08:41:57 <aleiva>	thight08:14 <aleiva> pff
 153 Nov 11 08:41:57 <aleiva>	08:14 <aleiva> well,
 154 Nov 11 08:41:57 <aleiva>	awesome copy and paste again
 155 Nov 11 08:41:57 <aleiva>	sorry
 156 Nov 11 08:41:57 *	joanie laughs
 157 Nov 11 08:41:57 <joanie>	02:00 meetings are fun, ain't they? :-P
 158 Nov 11 08:41:57 <aleiva>	joanie: last time happens to me at 16:00 then I don't see the difference :-)
 159 Nov 11 08:42:39 <API>	;)
 160 Nov 11 08:42:45 <aleiva>	moving on?
 161 Nov 11 08:42:46 <API>	danigm, you here?
 162 Nov 11 08:42:57 *	aleiva turn into a blue man
 163 Nov 11 08:43:35 <API>	well, it seems that we are mostly alone
 164 Nov 11 08:43:38 <API>	so yes lets move
 165 Nov 11 08:43:40 *	joanie shoves another marshmallow at aleiva and then splatters paint
 166 Nov 11 08:44:01 <API>	GNOME 3.0 updates
 167 Nov 11 08:44:20 <API>	well, if we confirm that pygtk is going to be deprecated
 168 Nov 11 08:44:30 <API>	this is also a GNOME 3.0 issue
 169 Nov 11 08:44:31 <aleiva>	I think so
 170 Nov 11 08:44:38 <API>	we should send a list to the mail
 171 Nov 11 08:44:39 <API>	ups
 172 Nov 11 08:44:43 <API>	we should send a mail to the list
 173 Nov 11 08:44:46 <API>	desktop devel list
 174 Nov 11 08:45:01 <API>	or gtk one
 175 Nov 11 08:45:03 <danigm>	API: yep
 176 Nov 11 08:45:11 <API>	ah, hello danigm 
 177 Nov 11 08:45:17 <API>	you are still working on Caribou?
 178 Nov 11 08:46:19 <danigm>	I never worked in caribou...
 179 Nov 11 08:46:21 <aleiva>	danigm was working in caribou? I don't think so he was working in evince, but danigm can explan far better han me
 180 Nov 11 08:46:51 <aleiva>	API: people from <I need to remember again the company> was working in caribou
 181 Nov 11 08:46:55 <aleiva>	WARP
 182 Nov 11 08:47:10 <API>	danigm, ups sorry
 183 Nov 11 08:47:18 <aleiva>	yes, Warp
 184 Nov 11 08:47:18 <API>	my fault
 185 Nov 11 08:48:14 <API>	I mistook david with daniel
 186 Nov 11 08:48:43 <API>	anyway, as we are on gnome 3.0, and as I already disturbed you
 187 Nov 11 08:48:56 <API>	danigm, any update on evince a11y status?
 188 Nov 11 08:49:24 <danigm>	API: no
 189 Nov 11 08:49:37 <API>	ok, thanks
 190 Nov 11 08:50:01 <API>	lets continue about GNOME 3.0 update
 191 Nov 11 08:50:03 <API>	ah yes
 192 Nov 11 08:50:07 <API>	about gnome-panel
 193 Nov 11 08:50:16 <API>	http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/GNOME3#gnome-panel
 194 Nov 11 08:50:26 <API>	I sent a mail to Fer and Carlos
 195 Nov 11 08:50:34 <API>	and no, they didn't work directly on it
 196 Nov 11 08:50:44 <API>	I will edit that section with his answer
 197 Nov 11 08:50:53 <API>	but Carlos also told me that
 198 Nov 11 08:51:01 <API>	gnome-panel is somewhat forgotten
 199 Nov 11 08:51:10 <API>	no gtk 3.0 or gsettings migration
 200 Nov 11 08:51:15 <API>	this is not a surprise
 201 Nov 11 08:51:37 <API>	but not a good situation
 202 Nov 11 08:51:41 <API>	as gnome-shell mantra also
 203 Nov 11 08:51:43 <API>	includes
 204 Nov 11 08:51:53 <API>	"for people without the proper hw 3d support
 205 Nov 11 08:52:04 <API>	you will have the blessed gnome-panel, dont worry"
 206 Nov 11 08:52:39 <API>	so, again, I guess that we will need to bother desktop-devel or 
 207 Nov 11 08:52:40 <API>	hmm
 208 Nov 11 08:52:59 <API>	which list you use when you want to ask something about gnome-panel?
 209 Nov 11 08:54:55 <API>	makes sense?
 210 Nov 11 08:55:13 <aleiva>	I'll use desktop-dev I don't know if exists a gnome-panel specific :-/
 211 Nov 11 08:55:31 <API>	any other quick GNOME 3.0 update?
 212 Nov 11 08:56:12 <aleiva>	umh, not exactly related but there was some talks about unity in boston summit
 213 Nov 11 08:56:24 <aleiva>	what I want to say is
 214 Nov 11 08:56:39 <aleiva>	for me, it seems like GNOME 3.0 is going to be a real platform
 215 Nov 11 08:56:49 <aleiva>	with excessive amount of windows-managers
 216 Nov 11 08:56:49 <aleiva>	:-D
 217 Nov 11 08:57:24 <API>	well, aleiva although unity will be in the ecosystem
 218 Nov 11 08:57:35 <API>	I doubt that it will be a core gnome 
 219 Nov 11 08:57:37 <API>	module
 220 Nov 11 08:57:46 <aleiva>	no, absolutely not
 221 Nov 11 08:57:56 <API>	so, it is something to watch out
 222 Nov 11 08:58:12 <API>	but not a "real" issue
 223 Nov 11 08:58:24 <API>	ok, so lets conclude GNOME 3.0 and
 224 Nov 11 08:58:27 <aleiva>	API: yeah, I only added as curiosity, something to watch
 225 Nov 11 08:58:32 <API>	with just 2 minutes left
 226 Nov 11 08:58:36 <API>	aleiva, of course
 227 Nov 11 08:58:37 <API>	with just 2 minutes left
 228 Nov 11 08:58:42 <API>	miscellaneous time!
 229 Nov 11 08:58:49 *	aleiva goes to sleep
 230 Nov 11 08:59:15 <joanie>	I've only got one
 231 Nov 11 08:59:17 <API>	has anyone something else to say not included on the agenda?
 232 Nov 11 08:59:21 <API>	shoot
 233 Nov 11 08:59:24 <joanie>	Just for the record
 234 Nov 11 08:59:36 <joanie>	since we were, uh, absent from the Q2 gnome report
 235 Nov 11 08:59:47 <joanie>	We will be present in the Q3s
 236 Nov 11 09:00:00 <joanie>	I added our report to the GNOME Marketing wiki: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/QuarterlyReports/2010/Q3#Accessibility_Team
 237 Nov 11 09:00:18 <joanie>	and want to thank everyone who submitted something on the a11y team wiki for q3
 238 Nov 11 09:00:30 <joanie>	the reality is, if you look at everything we did
 239 Nov 11 09:00:42 <joanie>	our little team does an AMAZING amount
 240 Nov 11 09:00:59 <joanie>	with not that many resources
 241 Nov 11 09:01:05 <joanie>	that's all
 242 Nov 11 09:01:10 <API>	goo
 243 Nov 11 09:01:12 <API>	d
 244 Nov 11 09:01:14 <API>	hmm
 245 Nov 11 09:01:15 <API>	good
 246 Nov 11 09:01:20 <joanie>	goo is good
 247 Nov 11 09:01:29 <API>	anything else? people?
 248 Nov 11 09:01:30 <API>	...
 249 Nov 11 09:02:03 <msanchez>	not sure whether is worth mentioning but...
 250 Nov 11 09:02:45 <msanchez>	in the webkitgtk front I'd just want to say that we're approaching a point where almost all the bugs blocking ORCA support are fixed (I mean for static -basic- content)
 251 Nov 11 09:03:19 <API>	yeah, joanie just a crazy idea
 252 Nov 11 09:03:30 <API>	but probably it would be good to redefine the scope
 253 Nov 11 09:03:34 <API>	of the current meta-bug
 254 Nov 11 09:03:35 <msanchez>	and that we were lucky enough to have KaL helping as well during these past two weeks with a couple of bugs that were worrying me a lot (you know joanie, those ones I was lost about)
 255 Nov 11 09:03:42 <joanie>	msanchez: you so, so, so rock
 256 Nov 11 09:03:46 <API>	instead of the generic one used now
 257 Nov 11 09:03:54 <API>	if not, this bug will be there for ages
 258 Nov 11 09:03:56 <joanie>	msanchez: you're never lost
 259 Nov 11 09:04:01 <joanie>	API I agree
 260 Nov 11 09:04:12 <aleiva>	msanchez: congratulations
 261 Nov 11 09:04:14 <joanie>	I was honestly planning on creating a new metabug
 262 Nov 11 09:04:20 <joanie>	after checking with y'all
 263 Nov 11 09:04:35 <aleiva>	joanie: we decided that?
 264 Nov 11 09:04:41 <joanie>	and only adding stuff to 25531 if they impact the original goal (basic support for yelp)
 265 Nov 11 09:04:41 <aleiva>	I think so
 266 Nov 11 09:04:48 <aleiva>	or is another metabug?
 267 Nov 11 09:04:49 <joanie>	aleiva: secided what?
 268 Nov 11 09:04:52 <aleiva>	I need to sleep
 269 Nov 11 09:04:58 <joanie>	aleiva: you need to sleep ;-)
 270 Nov 11 09:05:00 <joanie>	aleiva: but
 271 Nov 11 09:05:13 <joanie>	we have an existing WebKitGtk (in their tracker) metabug
 272 Nov 11 09:05:17 <msanchez>	thing is that, current status wrt that metabug is: 7 bugs pending, 3 of them with proposed patches, 1 work-in-progress and the other 3 in the TODO queue
 273 Nov 11 09:05:30 <joanie>	aleiva: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25531
 274 Nov 11 09:05:40 <aleiva>	yes, I know
 275 Nov 11 09:05:46 <joanie>	msanchez: there will be at least one more bug I will add
 276 Nov 11 09:05:57 <joanie>	there's something strange going on with text selection caret offsets
 277 Nov 11 09:06:04 <msanchez>	just wanted to share with you all the status so you get a rough picture
 278 Nov 11 09:06:20 <msanchez>	joanie: great. I was expecting that (and even more bugs) after the summit
 279 Nov 11 09:06:33 <joanie>	aleiva: So the point of that original bug was basic support with the (unwritten) intent/target of Yelp 3.0
 280 Nov 11 09:06:51 <joanie>	aleiva: So creating a new Orca metabug in their tracker serves one main purpose
 281 Nov 11 09:07:01 <joanie>	closure for those developers (Igalians mostly)
 282 Nov 11 09:07:11 <joanie>	because they will have successfully achieved their goal
 283 Nov 11 09:07:21 <joanie>	and new stuff is new work imho
 284 Nov 11 09:07:24 <joanie>	anyhoo....
 285 Nov 11 09:07:33 <joanie>	msanchez: I'm not so sure about "even more bugs"
 286 Nov 11 09:07:43 <joanie>	for the most part, things are honestly "just working"
 287 Nov 11 09:07:49 <joanie>	you should try it with Orca ;-)
 288 Nov 11 09:08:02 <joanie>	you really have done an amazing amount of very cool work msanchez
 289 Nov 11 09:08:22 <msanchez>	joanie: well, I meant I wouldn't be surprised if you filed a bunch of them after boston, but if you don't do it perhaps that's a good sign :-)
 290 Nov 11 09:08:26 <msanchez>	thx
 291 Nov 11 09:08:40 <joanie>	(it's a good sign)
 292 Nov 11 09:09:08 <API>	well, almost 10 minutes over time
 293 Nov 11 09:09:10 <msanchez>	It could have been even better if this past month I was not jinxed (broken environment, broken laptop, too much paperwork...)
 294 Nov 11 09:09:12 <API>	anything else?
 295 Nov 11 09:09:17 <msanchez>	nope from my side
 296 Nov 11 09:09:22 <joanie>	nothing here
 297 Nov 11 09:09:27 <API>	apart of complain about laptop problems ;)
 298 Nov 11 09:09:32 <joanie>	lol
 299 Nov 11 09:09:37 <API>	ok, so lets close the meeting
 300 Nov 11 09:09:39 <msanchez>	not complaining, just sharing
 301 Nov 11 09:09:41 <API>	a11y meeting over